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Retraité depuis un peu plus d’un an, Derrick Rose retrace sa vie et sa carrière de meneur des Chicago Bulls dans son ouvrage « The Poohprint ». On l’a rencontré à Paris et on lui a proposé de tout nous raconter à travers dix photos tirées de son livre. Retrouvez son entretien vidéo complet.
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00:30J'étais à Randolph, le premier school que j'allais à. J'allais walker 10 blocks chaque jour à l
00:34'école
00:35parce que ma famille n'a pas d'honneur. Et c'était sur la picture, et j'ai pensé que
00:40ça serait cool
00:41parce que j'étais en train de jouer et de jouer pour l'équipe, et d'être un enfant de
00:49la famille
00:49et de presque tous les cousins de Chicago. Donc j'ai pensé que ça serait cool, voir me jouer
00:57dans le passé, et de jouer dans le passé et de jouer dans le futur. J'ai pensé que c
01:03'était
01:03cool de voir les deux.
01:04On ne voit pas le nombre, mais je pense que c'était le nombre 23.
01:08Oui, 23. Je ne pensais pas que je n'avais pas des pippes.
01:10C'était tous 23, ou des Jordan jerseys, ou des shirts que j'avais.
01:16C'était comme des shirts championship.
01:18Quand ils gagnent la championship, tu vois les cartes de newspaper, et tu vois MJ
01:22qu'ils jouent dans l'air, et tout ça, les celebrations.
01:24C'est tout ce que ma mère m'a apporté.
01:27Les jerseys ou les shirts sur la street.
01:31Qu'est-ce que tu as représenté pour toi, MJ, comme une 8 ou 9 ans ?
01:37N'importe quoi, à l'époque.
01:39C'était plus un cadeau.
01:41Je n'ai pas voulu à des jeux.
01:43Je n'ai pas regardé des jeux.
01:44Je n'avais pas de jeu.
01:46Je n'avais pas vu pour moi.
01:47Je travaillais de mon propre jeu, mais je pensais que c'était cool.
01:54Éparcement de basketball, quelle sorte de jeune fille à elle était pour toi ?
01:59Je dirais que j'étais un jeune jeune jeune, audace.
02:04Je me remontais, risqué.
02:05Je allemandais, j'ai peut-être eu d'un tableau pour moi.
02:10Just to check on my mom or get water
02:12But I was always around the court
02:14Always in the neighborhood having fun
02:17Old school kid
02:18You know what I mean
02:20Alright
02:22The second one
02:25Oh man
02:26So this
02:28Is the house that I grew up in
02:30The people
02:31On the porch
02:33That's my two big bros up there
02:35My mom, my kids and myself
02:38A lot of memories
02:40That come with this
02:42A lot of great memories
02:44Not
02:45Not sad or miserable
02:48Memories
02:49A lot of grinding, a lot of laughter
02:53On this day
02:54We shot
02:56The
02:58Promotion for
02:59The video of me
03:01What was this again, Maddie?
03:04Becoming a Rose
03:05Where my son narrated the story
03:07When
03:08After I retired
03:09For me to
03:10Like
03:11Conflate everything together
03:13Bringing my mom
03:14Back to the old house
03:15People, we don't own the house
03:17So
03:18Having us walk through
03:19That they let us walk through the house
03:21Let us walk upstairs
03:22Where I normally used to be
03:23At
03:25So it was cool
03:26Like having everybody come back there
03:28And on this day was the coldest day
03:31I feel like in Chicago
03:33Like coming back
03:34Everybody was freezing
03:35Everybody damn
03:36They got sick on the shoot
03:38But
03:38It was fun
03:39And everybody enjoyed it
03:41That
03:41Everybody enjoyed
03:42Viewing what we did
03:44Or what we created
03:45You say you get great memories there
03:48But
03:48It was also
03:49A tough
03:50It was a mix
03:52You know
03:53Living in
03:55Improvished areas
03:56Or
03:57In a neighborhood like this
03:59All you hear about
04:00Is like the tough times
04:01But
04:02I had a lot of great times
04:04Running through these gangways
04:06Being in my backyard
04:08A lot of the times
04:09Being on this front porch
04:12With my
04:13My mom and her friends
04:14My brother and his friends
04:16Getting bit up by mosquitoes
04:19On this porch
04:20From having water
04:22Water fights
04:23Or
04:23Balloon fights
04:24Water balloon fights
04:25And
04:25Sitting out there
04:26And
04:27Not knowing that I was getting bit up
04:28Going in the house
04:29And having like a hundred mosquito bites
04:31Like
04:32I had a lot of great times
04:33On
04:34Finding cats
04:35Under my stairs
04:37Trying to keep them
04:37But my mom wouldn't let me keep them
04:39So
04:40Yeah
04:40Great memories
04:42In
04:43In the book
04:44Your friend Tim says
04:45That
04:45You both knew
04:47How easy it was
04:48To fall into the wrong things
04:50Growing up
04:51Where you did
04:52What made you stay on the
04:54On the right track
04:55Was it basketball
04:56Or
04:56I think it was more my mom
04:58My mom was really big into karma
05:00So
05:01She used to always tell me
05:02If
05:02I was to do anything wrong
05:04That karma was gonna
05:05Like catch me
05:06Or
05:06It did catch me
05:07My karma always came back quick
05:09So
05:11Tim
05:11Actually
05:12The
05:12How I met Tim
05:14Or
05:15One of the few moments
05:16That I met
05:17Earlier moments
05:18I met Tim
05:18Before we were friends
05:21We used to make tree houses
05:22Me and my friends
05:24And
05:25Tim
05:25We call him
05:26Stealing the wood
05:27From our tree house
05:28And that's how
05:30We kind of got cool
05:31Okay
05:32Nice
05:33He said nice
05:38Oh man
05:41So this pick right here
05:42Was one of
05:44The few times
05:45If not the only time
05:47Oh
05:48Let me start off by saying
05:49This is while I was in college
05:50I think this was early on in the season
05:53And
05:54I think this is the only time
05:55That my mom came down
05:57To Memphis
05:57To see me play
05:59She's gonna say that she came down there a lot
06:01But
06:02But she didn't
06:03She came down there once
06:05And
06:07After that one time
06:08She saw how comfortable I was
06:10And she knew that I was in good hands with Coach Cal
06:14So
06:14It wasn't no need for her to come down anymore
06:16But she's gonna tell people that she came down a lot
06:20And
06:21I know how important
06:23She is to you
06:25Can you tell me about
06:26Like the sacrifices she made for the
06:29For your family
06:29And how important is she to you?
06:32Oh she
06:32I mean
06:33When I think about sacrifices
06:35Or
06:36A gambit move
06:37She did that
06:38My mom
06:39Didn't
06:42I feel like she didn't enjoy herself
06:44Like that
06:45Or I could
06:46I could be totally wrong
06:47But
06:48For me
06:49I felt like she didn't celebrate
06:50Or she didn't enjoy herself
06:52When she was younger
06:53She was always around me
06:54Making sure that I was good
06:56Didn't go out with her friends
06:58Didn't go out to bars
07:00Didn't go out to concerts
07:01Dinners
07:02None of that
07:03Always
07:04Was
07:04In the house
07:05Making sure that I was good
07:07And making sure that I was on the right track
07:08So
07:09She
07:10Yeah
07:11She sacrificed her whole life
07:12Basically for me
07:14So
07:14I have a great example
07:16To
07:18That I had
07:18In front of me
07:19To do that with my kids
07:20So that's why I retire right now
07:22To be able to
07:23Like basically do the same thing
07:26And
07:27Knowing that
07:28It will pay off one day
07:29Like
07:29It paid off for her
07:31Being able to change your life
07:33Was it a big motivation for you?
07:35Yeah
07:36I mean
07:37Like I said I had good times
07:39When I was poor
07:39Yes
07:40But I knew I was poor
07:41I wasn't the
07:43The
07:44Dumb kid that didn't know
07:46What was going on
07:46Or
07:47That was
07:49Oblivious to
07:49Like bills
07:52While we have
07:53The same furniture
07:54For
07:5410 plus years
07:56Like
07:56Like
07:5720 years
07:58I'm seeing the same
07:59Old pictures
08:00And we have the same furniture
08:01For
08:01When I wasn't born
08:03To
08:03When I was born
08:04To
08:04I'm 12 or 13 now
08:06We got the same furniture
08:07Having to put
08:11Wood
08:12Panels
08:14Under our couch
08:15Like the cushion
08:17So that
08:18Because we couldn't buy a new couch
08:20Like
08:28Sorry about that
08:43But
08:44This
08:46I
08:46It was
09:00It was
09:00It was
09:00It was
09:01It was
09:01It was
09:02C'était des moments que je me souviens, que je me souviens et que je me souviens, parce que je
09:11me souviens que ce n'était pas le bon endroit où je vivais.
09:16Merci.
09:17Merci.
09:17Merci.
09:26Right here was draft night, being in New York.
09:31My agent, my mom, actually I think my mom's first time in New York, and myself of course at dinner.
09:40I forgot what restaurant we was at, but the whole agency was there.
09:45My friend Randall was there of course.
09:48And yeah, I remember this night just being good and bad at the same time.
09:59I remember having dinner and end up getting a call about just my brother.
10:12And not to go into details, but no, no, no, this is afterwards.
10:18This is afterwards.
10:21This one was good, but we did have a dinner prior to this where I had a, it was kind
10:28of bad towards the end of dinner.
10:30But this night after, after I got drafted, it was all good.
10:35My mom, I remember her celebrating.
10:37I remember getting a whole bunch of calls on my Blackberry at the time.
10:41and just really enjoying the night and wanting everything to happen like right away.
10:47But of course, I had to take my time and go out to Cali, work out and prep myself for
10:53what I was getting myself into.
10:55But I felt like I was ready at the time.
10:57What did it mean for you to be chosen by the Bulls?
11:01Oh, um, everything, I felt like my first two picks were pretty, pretty good.
11:09Um, Chicago, Miami, no matter what, I was feeling like I was going to be in a good market.
11:13And, um, I was kind of like taking away that they actually picked me over Mike B's, but the storytelling
11:22and all that kind of made sense.
11:24So, um, I had felt any pressure at all.
11:28It was more of, uh, how I was going to handle, like being back home and locking in so that
11:35I could achieve what I wanted to achieve at the time.
11:38So, um, the Bulls had less, less than, um, 2% chances to get the first pick, I think, back
11:45then at the Lottery.
11:47Yeah, I think it was like seven.
11:49And, and, uh, do you, like, do you believe it was made to be, like, do you believe it in
11:54those kinds of things or?
11:56Yeah, hell yeah, yeah.
11:58And I think the NBA helped a little bit too, so, so, yeah, uh, it worked well.
12:04Um, if you look at, like I said, the storytelling, looking at me wearing a jersey when I was younger,
12:10wearing Bulls coach when I was younger and conflating all that together to come up with, like, uh, some imagery
12:17where you tie everything together.
12:20Me winning MVP, me having, being on the team, uh, with great players, making great runs in the playoffs to,
12:27again, my jersey and the Raptors.
12:29I just wish I would have won the championship, but everything happened for a reason and that jersey getting in
12:35the Raptors is my championship or our championship.
12:38And, and you say you did, you didn't feel, uh, like too much pressure being chosen by your hometown?
12:45Nah, nah, nah. I mean, I felt it, but I'm a city kid. I've been playing in front of them
12:52people ever since I was in sixth grade. So, I felt like it was kind of easy. Um, it was
12:59more me blocking in and making sure that I got the rest the night before so that I could, I
13:04could go out and perform the way that I wanted to perform.
13:08So, like, I didn't go out. I didn't go to dinners. I didn't go to concerts. Not that much for
13:15like my first three years because I was dialed in, locked in on what I was chasing.
13:21And in, in, in, in the book there, uh, the book includes, uh, press article from that times. And obviously,
13:29uh, uh, Michael Jordan's name comes up very often.
13:32Yeah. Like, uh, uh, you were so young at that time. How do you, how did you handle that? Like,
13:37uh, being, like, uh, compared to...
13:40I mean, at that time I was delusional enough to want that smoke. I wanted that at that time, even
13:47though I know that I couldn't get six champ, I knew I wasn't gonna get six championships.
13:53But in my mind, in my journals, I'm writing that I want seven championships. Like, that's the, that's how delusional
14:03I was at the time. So, my goals, when I did write out my goals for the year, I always
14:08put seven.
14:08And, uh, never got one, but I went for it. That was the mindset. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you.
14:20Oh, man. Why you do this, man? We just saw him in the airport. Dragon ain't me, bro. It ain't
14:27me, my God. Trust me.
14:32Uh, I love this dunk, but I still don't think it's my best dunk. Oh, okay. Do you think it
14:37is?
14:38I mean, I, I remember, I started watching the NBA, like, 2008, maybe.
14:44Oh, yeah. So, this right here. This is one, yes.
14:46Yeah. I remember playing it over and over on YouTube as a kid. Yeah. It was like, yeah.
14:50I feel like I had other dunks that were kind of better than this. You want me to name them?
14:55Yeah.
14:56I felt like, um, my dunk on Joel Anthony against Miami when I split the double team to the dunk.
15:03I felt like that was better. I dunked on Greg Oden.
15:08Yeah. Yeah.
15:10There ain't too many people dunking on Greg Oden. I dunked on Greg Oden. And it was one more. Um,
15:16the Atlanta dunk, where, uh, it was an oop that I caught and I had to, like, it's like an
15:23oop in Atlanta that I caught and I had to slam.
15:25Yeah. And I had a New York dunk that was decent too. I had a couple of, I felt like
15:28I had a couple of dunks that were like clean, but this one I felt like I didn't get high
15:32on like the, when I look at the videos from like, yeah, from the past, I felt like I wasn't
15:39that high on this one, but everybody loves this one.
15:41Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of people remember this one as, as the one.
15:46Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's good in the archives. I love the shoes back then too, but yeah, I felt
15:53like I had other ones that were better.
15:55And yeah, I was telling you, I remember playing it over and over as a kid. Like, uh, it felt
16:01like you were, uh, to me, it felt like you were flying.
16:05Yeah. Was it, uh, like, did you have the, that same feeling in your first year in, in the league?
16:11First years in the league, like?
16:13Yeah. You talking about on this play or just in general?
16:16Yeah, this play in, in general in the, in the first years, like?
16:19No, I was, my first year, I was just, I was running around like a chicken with his head cut
16:24off. I was trying to figure out things. I was a point guard trying to manage the game, trying to,
16:30uh, get everybody the ball at the right time.
16:34Um, trying to figure out my identity in the league. And, um, I was a scoring point guard, so it
16:41was kind of hard adjusting to see, like, when to go, when to pull back.
16:46Until, um, I started averaging a certain amount. Then I figured out that I had just had to play with
16:52speed and everybody else around with me.
16:54So once I figured that out, it made me, uh, I would say it made me more complete as a
17:02rookie because I knew that I just had to push the ball up the court.
17:06Once I pushed the ball up the court or add pressure, everything else followed. So I had to break the
17:13game down as simple as possible. I felt like.
17:16And in that tribute, uh, video that the Bulls made for you last year, uh, uh, Luol Deng says that,
17:22uh, you wanted to destroy, uh, whoever you were playing at that time.
17:26Yeah. Was it the mindset? Yeah. Yeah. Everybody. Yeah. Even though I didn't express, oh, you ain't hear me say
17:33that the way that I played, I played an aggressive game.
17:35I played both sides of the ball. I didn't run from any matchup. I stuck whoever you wanted me to
17:41stick. Uh, yeah, uh, that's what I pride myself off of.
17:46I didn't run from no matchups, no parts during the game, playoffs or whatever. I never got switched off nobody
17:51in the playoffs or not anything.
17:54So I take pride in that. And the, yeah, the, the explosiveness, the aggressiveness, the, the, this confidence you're talking
18:02about, where did that come from?
18:05I would say, uh, knowing my game and knowing the work that I put in some, I was telling the
18:11kids yesterday in, um, in Germany where I was telling them, uh, like your parents, they're going to believe, they're
18:19going to believe in you.
18:20But I knew how hard I was going to work or how hard I worked. Like you can go tell
18:25your parents, mom, I was in the gym for five or six hours straight in the summertime.
18:29They're going to believe you was in the gym because you were that kid. But you don't, you really knew.
18:37That's how I felt about my game.
18:39where my mom, yeah, she loved me. She wished she, nothing but the best for me, but she's only going
18:45to believe in me because she wasn't in the gym with me.
18:50I'm the only one that knew or the other guys that was in the gym, we all knew because we
18:54was in the gym really for five or six hours.
18:57So, I have to have a different confidence than my mom or the people that believe in me. That's how,
19:04that was my mindset.
19:05Thank you.
19:13MVP.
19:18I remember being nervous this day, uh, press conference day, uh, Tibbs, me and Tibbs doing a hell of interviews
19:26prior to me going out on the stage.
19:29I was very, very clean this day too. Very clean this day. I didn't know I was this clean, but
19:34yeah, I was very clean this day.
19:36Uh, being nervous on the podium, being up there for too long. Uh, my teammates there, the old players came,
19:48Pip, everybody came and showed love.
19:51And, uh, I just remember this being a great celebration. You were the youngest ever to win the trophy. Did
19:59you, what did it mean for you back then?
20:01Like, did you realize you were making history or? No, I mean, yeah, I kind of did early on, but,
20:08um, I was more surprised by my agent's, um, conversations.
20:15Like we used to talk and we didn't start having MVP conversations to like mid season or like at the
20:23end of the year.
20:25And it was a reason why I held off on having those conversations because, uh, I was hearing him say
20:30that people burn out or it's hard to, uh, like sustain this for the whole year, the way that I
20:37was playing.
20:38And I'm like, fuck that. That's a lie. Like I ain't burning out. I know what I want. Like if
20:47they saying this early on, I was getting wind of like, oh, this kid may be in the, maybe an
20:53MVP candidate.
20:54Like they didn't believe early on, but mid season towards the end, people started to believe the shit that I
21:02said early on in the year when I said I could win it.
21:06So BJ was saying the whole time that my man just stay consistent. Like most guys, they burned out at
21:13a certain time throughout the year.
21:15And I was just making sure that I didn't. So, and the year played out in a, just an awesome
21:21way where every game, I felt like the team needed me to perform a certain way and I showed up.
21:28So that's why we got the award or we got the award.
21:30Yeah. Cause you, you had talked about it like, uh, on media day, I think at the beginning of the
21:36season.
21:37And then I had two years to work out with guys. I came into the league. I played on the
21:43select team before the select team could play offense on the USA team.
21:48Like, you know, you're the practice team, the B team. When I first came in, the B team never played
21:53offense until they told you you could play offense.
21:57Normally you was the defense team. All right. Kobe don't need you to play defense. See if this play work.
22:02Oh, it didn't work. Go back to the side.
22:05They'll work on the, uh, on the play. I come back out here and we had to wait. We was
22:10kind of like, you know, like, yeah, just waiting on them to work on, to clean out or comb through
22:15their plays.
22:17Once I realized I could play there, I knew that I had enough confidence to go into the season.
22:22I got the first year under my belt. I got the second year under my belt. I seen the guys
22:26workout routines up close from being in Vegas at USA.
22:31I worked a little, I worked probably the same or harder than y'all. That's how I was thinking.
22:40And I knew I played against y'all and it just came with confidence. I knew that I could play
22:46against my peers in a certain way, no matter what my age was, because I put in the work.
22:52Thank you.
23:00The ACL tear.
23:04Um, the biggest thing in this fit is that this is some old school shit.
23:11I walked off the court. I didn't get in the wheelchair. I didn't get wheelchaired off the court. That's huge
23:19in the NBA as far as being a man. You don't get carried off the court.
23:24What did Kobe do? With his Achilles? Did he get wheeled off? No.
23:32He fucking walked off. With his Achilles gone. That's a huge thing in the league. As a man, I'm gonna
23:40walk off this court as I walk on this court.
23:46No matter how, what happened, I'm not gonna get carried off this court like that. And that's where I remember
23:52getting up. I got up and they was like, man, you want a wheelchair?
23:57I'm like, no, I gotta test it. I gotta see. I don't know what happened for real.
24:02I started walking. I'm thinking everything good. We get to the back and it swelled up and I knew something
24:09was wrong. But while I was walking, I was surprised that, like, the trainers, the two trainers on the side
24:15of Fred and Tina, for sure they knew, probably.
24:17But for myself, I didn't know what was going on until I got to the back. So I just felt
24:24like me walking off the court. I just felt like twisting my knee. I don't know.
24:29I thought it was something light, but it was something that was devastating.
24:34How did you handle it, like the first big one?
24:41It was bad. It's a blur to me, but I talked to the doctor. I'm cool with Dr. Cole, the
24:47doctor that did the ACL surgery. And I talked to him a few months ago because we're doing other business.
24:55And he reminded me what I said that night. And he told me, he's like, you remember what you said
25:00that night? I'm like, nah, we in this house. We talking.
25:04He was like, you remember what you said that night? I'm like, nah. I'm like, what did I say? He
25:07was like, you said that your career was over.
25:11He said, and I knew that you toured at that time. And he was like, that's the way I was
25:15talking to you the way I was talking to you.
25:17But you said that your career was over. And when he said that, it made me think about how, like,
25:23damn, I got to year 15, 16 with me saying that at the time.
25:28Like, I was so out of it that, yeah, really, I probably did think it was over. But at some
25:34point, I got over it, along with my family and friends.
25:38They allowed me to have my struggles with the ups, the downs, the depression, the dark side of the medication,
25:51like taking meds early on.
25:53After I had surgery, I stopped taking meds. I just started dealing with the pain, just head on, no Tylenol,
25:59no nothing.
26:02Yeah, my family and my friends allowed me to, like, navigate through that by being aware of what I was
26:13dealing with and allow me to express myself the way that I was expressing myself.
26:17So, locking in, I would say. I had to lock in and get to where I would get to year
26:2515 or 16.
26:26In the book, you say that you can only develop through suffering. What did that, those injuries, what did they
26:33teach you about yourself?
26:35I mean, that's in life in general. I was just telling my son that, too, where the suffering part, it
26:41sucks.
26:42But at the same time, that's only how you're going to develop anything or any skill is sitting down, the
26:51grind, knowing or being mindful of where you were at that time.
26:55Locking in for a certain amount of time so that you can look back and say, hey, I made some
27:00progression.
27:01Like, it ain't what I thought it would be, but I made some progression.
27:05I feel like with all my surgeries, it was like that. Like, having to walk over again, having to learn
27:11how to stop, decelerate, like, all of that I had to learn over.
27:17But the shit was hard as fuck, bro. Like, not having to train at all. I never did track and
27:24field, never did any of that.
27:25But with rehab, that's all you're learning is track and field, like, routines.
27:31So, it sucked, but at the same time, it aligned my body so that I could make it to year
27:3715 or 16 and learn my body so that I could give that knowledge to the other kids.
27:44So, when you see me in the locker room, I went from this, eating candy in the locker room, eating
27:50snacks in the locker room, to year 15, 16.
27:54I'm doing aromatherapy. I'm having peppermint spray. I'm reading. I'm stretching. Having a real routine before every game.
28:04And the kids see that. So, whenever the day I didn't spray, they like, man, D-Roll, where the spray
28:09at, man?
28:10Like, shit, I get locked in when you spray, bruh, where the spray? Like, little things that I did that
28:15became a routine that they used to peep.
28:18And hopefully, they added to their routine because the shit that I saw, I saw all the OGs do right
28:24in my journal.
28:25I saw Nate Robinson do that. I seen people scratch it. I seen Luau do that. I seen, Luau was
28:29the first person I seen eat a peanut butter jelly before a game.
28:33Now, they got crusted peanut butter sandwiches that you can just take out the thing. My teammate was the first
28:44one to do that.
28:46Like, so, I went from, like I said, seeing that to having my routine and hopefully they picked up some
28:53of the gems that I dropped.
28:55Thank you.
29:04This right here, me and my family, beautiful family, and my big bro Styx, I will say he's tennis royalty.
29:16I will say because of his pops. I don't know if you know, but his pops was found by Arthur
29:25Ashe.
29:25Arthur Ashe went over to Cameroon and picked his pops out of a bunch of kids, took them away from
29:34his family, sent them to Academy over here.
29:36And, like, just that sacrifice, leaving your home at 17. The story alone, Arthur Ashe picking up pops out of
29:44Cameroon.
29:46Like, what's the coincidence? And that was the only few times that he went over there. Like, he had a
29:52wooden paddle.
29:54Like, you know what I mean? Like, fast forward, Joe telling me that we meet my rookie year, had a
30:04blast.
30:04He was the first person to, or first big guy to really, like, get on my ass during the game,
30:10as far as, like, winning-wise.
30:12Even though he wasn't as talented, I knew that the bottom line for him was winning, and he wasn't scared
30:19to voice that to nobody on the team,
30:22if he was fucking up the game, because he was that passionate.
30:27So, I used to go over his crib a lot when I was younger, and just a brotherhood that we
30:32built up, that it lasted throughout our career.
30:35And I was just at his crib, like, a week ago, before I started my trip in Germany.
30:40And it's something that his best friend, Matt, me and his daughter, the good little girl on Joe's neck.
30:49That's my daughter's best friend. That's his best friend's daughter.
30:53We lived in New York, and they used to hang out together a lot.
30:56So, we curated, like, a family atmosphere that we're still adding to to this day.
31:04Joe Kim says, I think your relationship really grew when you got hurt.
31:09Can you tell me about that?
31:11Yeah, man. Yeah. A lot of, you know, one-on-one time with my guy. A lot of walks. A
31:18lot of sessions. You know? A lot of...
31:28A lot of just everything with him.
31:33Like, I wouldn't have, like, wanted to play with another guy. Like, I had chances or opportunities to change the
31:44team.
31:44Like, with you being, like, the man on the team. Opportunities to get different players.
31:51And a few times, they wanted to, like, move Joe because they felt like I needed an offensive player.
31:59And I never did. Because I felt like I could win with them. So, the bond is deep.
32:06Thank you so much.
32:08Yeah.
32:1350-point game. Shout-out to Tibbs. Shout-out to Minnie. Shout-out to Cat. All them Bullwigs. All them
32:20boys on that team.
32:21Glenn. Your wife. Shout-out to everybody.
32:24But I feel like this game is monumental. I feel like this game stamped me back into the league.
32:33I feel like without this game, towards the end of my career, it wouldn't have ended the way that I
32:40wanted it to end.
32:43This led or put people on alert that I still had something left in the tank, that I could still
32:49play a certain way.
32:50And it was just a rare game that I feel like anybody in the league or in the association can
32:56have if they have the opportunity.
32:58But most guys don't get the opportunity to shoot 20-something times during the game. So, you don't know, like,
33:05how they are as a player for real.
33:07So, the weakest guy that you see in the NBA, he could probably score 40 to 50 points if you
33:13allow him to shoot 20 or 30 times.
33:15But that only goes to the superstars. So, like, I was fortunate enough that Cat didn't play. I mean, Cat
33:23played, Wig played, but Jimmy didn't play this game.
33:25And Teague didn't play this game. So, shout-out to Cat and Wig, because normally when a guy like Jimmy
33:35don't play or Teague don't play, all the shots that go to, they'll go to Cat or go to Wig.
33:40They allowed, like, the game to go through me. So, yeah, shout-out to them because if the game wouldn't
33:47have happened if they were, like, being assholes or, like, being your typical, you know, superstar.
33:53And those tears at the end of the game, what was behind them?
33:59A lot of happiness, a lot of… I was just happy.
34:08I was thinking about the hard times that it took to get to where I was at. At this time,
34:18I left Cleveland and they shipped me to Utah at the time.
34:22And, of course, I didn't go there. But before I got to Manny, I didn't have a job until Tibbs
34:30called and said,
34:31Hey, I got a small forest spot for you. I'm 6'2". I got a small forest spot for you,
34:38bro. What you thinking?
34:38I'll say, bro, I just had my daughter. I'm gone. I love… You were still in Cleveland, right, Laney?
34:45I love them in Cleveland. The day after my daughter was born to go out here and to form all
34:52this stuff.
34:53So, Manny, shout out to y'all because y'all helped save my career.
34:58Thank you. And one last.
35:04Oh, this is the fam, man. So, this was another… Let me start over.
35:12So, this night right here was a special night. We got a chance to see hockey and Wrigley.
35:20Yeah, we was at Wrigley for this one. So, Wrigley is the baseball field.
35:23But they did something unique by putting the ice ring outside so that it created like a different atmosphere and
35:33a different scenery.
35:35Me and my son, my oldest, we were able to go up close to the ice, but the experience was
35:41great.
35:41My other two kids loved it later on. They loved it. My wife loved it.
35:45But being in shy for the first time, like seeing this for the first time, hearing about it, but going
35:54there and experiencing it for the first time, it was pretty cool.
35:57And with us, being implemented into the program was dope. So, this is why I retired, to be able to
36:05do cool things like this
36:06and to use my so-called bullshit celeb to like help my kids have like memorable moments.
36:14How did that change you being a father?
36:18Oh, it's everything, bro. Everything is solely for my kids. It reminds me a lot of my mom. I'm in
36:23her footsteps now.
36:25Where I really don't do anything without thinking about them first or seeing how I could help them in a
36:35way or, you know, like…
36:37You got kids?
36:38No, I'm trying, but…
36:39Oh, yeah, bro. So, like, you got to make a gambit move. I play chess. So, making a gambit move
36:47is setting yourself up so that…
36:50Sacrificing the piece so that you can set yourself up to win the game at the end. And I feel
36:54like I'm doing that right now.
36:56Where my peers, they're making a lot of money right now. I retired a year. I left a year on
37:04my deal so that…
37:06I feel like they're sacrificing. So that I could do what I'm doing right now. So that in four or
37:11five years, I'm building the structure and the foundation to be able to…
37:17Like, have my kids build on top of that. My wife build on top of that to create an empire.
37:25In the book, you say, I think that when you got kids, you stopped being obsessed by basketball or by
37:32the chase?
37:33Yeah. So, yeah, I was obsessed with it at first. Then I fell off to the second tier of just
37:40loving it. And for like six or seven years, I played on that tier. And I never fell off that
37:46tier of just loving it.
37:47And when you fall off, it's not caring. So I tell my son, find a way to get obsessed so
37:53that when you go through adversity, injury, death, whatever it is, may the game or just the business side of
38:02it.
38:03Because a lot of you, once you learn the business side, it kind of take away from like the purity
38:07of it.
38:08Okay, you fall off to the second tier. That's just loving it. That's still an intense feeling. There's nothing wrong
38:13with just loving something. You feel what I'm saying?
38:15Yeah. But with being obsessed, it's intrusive. So when I was younger, I'm eating cereal. I'm thinking about the move.
38:21I'm playing video games. I'm seeing them playing the game. I'm playing live.
38:25I'm thinking that I'm in a video game. I'm outside. I'm dribbling the ball up the court. I'm sitting. I'm
38:31waking up at seven o'clock every day, not knowing that I'm waking up at seven o'clock every day.
38:36I'm hearing this shit from my mom's friends telling me. You know, you used to be up at seven o
38:41'clock every day. I used to hear that goddamn ball by the house every day.
38:45You walking up to the park. I know that I was programmed like that. I'm thinking that I'm getting up
38:51later.
38:52But now that I look back at it, when I am going into the park, I'm the only motherfucker in
38:57the park.
38:58I'm the only one out there with winos and drug acts because they're up early.
39:04So I'm up there with them. My friend's not up there yet. I'm working on my game.
39:10I'm seeing my friends from summer school come after they get down to school.
39:14But yeah, I was kind of like on the program early on. So I was obsessed early on.
39:22So that's why I'm trying to get my kid, my son and my other kids to start off on whatever
39:26skill you want
39:27or whatever you're doing and find a way to get obsessed.
39:31Thank you so much, Derek. Thank you. Thank you.
39:36Thank you. That was amazing.
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