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00:06It's funny, actually, I have Christmas tree lights in my apartment year-round.
00:10I just like the vibe they give off.
00:12It gives a twinkly vibe.
00:13Lighting's everything.
00:18Sorry.
00:18It's going to be a lot of bad dad jokes, dude, and I don't even got no kids.
00:22So wait, this is a podcast?
00:31You remember Yo Mama?
00:33Of course.
00:34They called it Snappin'.
00:35Yeah, and I remember one guy's joke, which will always stick with me, is he goes,
00:39Yo Mama's house is like the Twilight Zone.
00:42It smells like doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo.
00:44Oh, no.
00:47Still to this day, it still gets me.
00:50Yo Mama's so skinny, every time she farts, she cracks her back.
00:58But I remember I was really bad at them.
01:00Yeah, that was obvious.
01:02No, I was like bad at bad jokes.
01:04So I remember I'd be like, Yo Mama's so fat when she stepped on the train and went kaboom.
01:10Your mom's so old, she got Moses Pager number.
01:13All right, this is, we got cut.
01:15You were super, you were into, very into yoga, I remember.
01:19Yeah, I went through a midlife crisis around that time.
01:22I was doing yoga, I was like, I don't even know why, I think I was like, I need something
01:27new, and I was starting to go to yoga, and it was really in an attempt to suck my own
01:33dick, but that didn't work out.
01:35No, I did do yoga, and it was, it's kind of like, cringe, if I think about it.
01:42I don't like yoga, because I'm just like, okay, so you're going to be in tight, tight
01:47outfit, and your feet are going to be sweaty and out, and it's going to be gross in there.
01:51Yeah, it's definitely cultish, you know, it's very LA.
01:56And there's also like that sort of talk, like.
01:58There's a lot of spiritual bypassing and narcissism in that world of enlightened people, but they're
02:05really actually the worst.
02:06Right.
02:07The older I get, I realize almost everything's bullshit, is where I'm at.
02:12Like, everything's bullshit.
02:13Because you've tried everything.
02:14Yeah, and at the end of the day, like, it's still the same shit.
02:18But, you know what?
02:19I mean, I'm not saying yoga isn't a realistic practice.
02:22Dude, nobody cares about yoga anymore.
02:25Yeah, yoga's done, dude.
02:26Now it's Pilates, baby.
02:27Yeah, dude.
02:28Yoga?
02:28Well, I had back surgery and just lived with you.
02:30We could talk about that.
02:31And actually, what was good for that was Pilates, because that's all, this is a workout TV show
02:37we're doing.
02:37When your back hurts.
02:38Dude, Pilates is real.
02:40Actually, Pilates is a dude named Joe Pilates, not a joke, and he did working out for anyone
02:46who had back problems.
02:47That's easy on your back to work out your shit.
02:50So it was actually the best thing post-surgery.
02:52I lived with you for, what, six, a month during Christmas?
02:56I think it was like, it was like two, three months.
02:59It was a long time.
02:59Yeah, it was a long time.
03:00And I remember your mom was so sweet, she'd come over and bring home cooked food, because
03:03I was stuck on your couch and in your spare bedroom in Brooklyn, and it was Christmas time,
03:08and I'd lay under your Christmas tree.
03:09Remember that?
03:10Yeah, you had a photo of me.
03:11To catch some Christmas.
03:11Yeah, I was catching some Christmas vibes.
03:13I think I used to do that when I was a kid.
03:15I would just lay under the tree and just smell the Christmas tree.
03:18But was it a fake tree?
03:19So I don't think I was getting anything.
03:20No, it was a fake tree, but there was a lot of lights.
03:23We were very into Christmas and the light shows.
03:25We certainly were.
03:26That's how we really bonded.
03:28That was.
03:28We would watch YouTube videos all day and night without Christmas lights.
03:33So stoked on them.
03:34Nothing makes me happier than during Christmas time.
03:37I type in Christmas light show on YouTube, and then I look for an account with barely
03:43any views, and I just see a normal family's attempt at a Christmas light show.
03:48Nothing makes me happier.
03:49Yeah, we went very deep down that rabbit hole.
03:52I think it's the effort.
03:53And I put these backstories in.
03:56I'm like, this guy probably works for Geek Squad.
03:59He's like fucking showing off on the block.
04:02You have a very interesting career.
04:04I do, dude.
04:06I've ridden all the rides at the carnival.
04:08Yeah.
04:09Your longevity is what's most impressive.
04:12How you still look 36 years old is also super impressive.
04:17But like...
04:18Start me out on, like, young Simon.
04:20Like, what was your goal initially?
04:22I always...
04:23I like to sound smart, so I say the word fortuitous, meaning there was no design.
04:27I got very lucky.
04:28I think this business is right place, right time, knowing the right people, and just enough
04:33talent, maybe.
04:34Some...
04:35Obviously, there's so many talented people who don't make it in any field.
04:38You know, you could go in a fucking casino in Atlantic City and see some amazing singer.
04:43They're a good singer.
04:43They never made it.
04:44So I think there was a lot of luck involved.
04:46But I never...
04:47You said the word goal.
04:49I watched the Eddie Murphy documentary, and he said something that I really agreed with.
04:52He goes...
04:53He goes, my career was...
04:55I was out in the ocean with a sailboat, and wherever the wind took me, I just kind of went.
04:59I never pointed the rudder and go, I'm going to that island.
05:02He goes with the wind, and I feel like that's what I did.
05:05So the only thing I'll give myself credit for is that when there was an opportunity,
05:09I jumped through the hoop, but I never...
05:11I'm not good at planning anything.
05:12I'm horrible at planning or goal setting.
05:15What had happened was I...
05:20I was dating a girl who was a model, and I would drive her to her auditions, and she had
05:27a two-year-old kid, and the kid was starting to call me dad, and I was like, I'm in
05:31way
05:31over my head with this girl, and she was gorgeous.
05:34I was working in a potato sack factory at the time.
05:37Not kidding.
05:37That's not a joke.
05:39Driving a forklift, punching in a clock like it was the Great Depression, and I would clean
05:43potato sack fucking machines that would, for 24 hours a day, make...
05:47If you ever buy a sack of potatoes, there's little holes in the sack.
05:49I don't know if I ever told you this.
05:50And I'd drive a forklift, clean bathrooms.
05:54It was straight up, like, 10 bucks an hour under the table, and I was also doing light...
05:58I was selling life insurance in an office going to community college, and I'd open a phone book
06:02and just start cold-calling selling life insurance, and maybe once a week someone would bite horrible.
06:08So I meet this girl.
06:09I move to L.A. with her.
06:11She's a model.
06:12I drive her to a casting.
06:13Her kid's sitting on my lap, and the casting agent comes out and goes, who's he?
06:17She goes, oh, that's my boyfriend.
06:18He's not here for the job.
06:20They go, oh, he's got a good look for the job.
06:22I got the job.
06:23They needed a dude.
06:24What job?
06:24It was...
06:25I don't even remember.
06:25Next thing you know, I'm going to Milan.
06:28Next thing you know, me and her break up.
06:30I go to Milan.
06:31Then I go to Paris, and then I go to New York City, and I'm doing, like, runway shows because
06:35I'm, like, the perfect height, and I'm skinny, and the clothes hang off me like a Jiminy Cricket.
06:39I'm crispy, and I'm Jiminy.
06:41And I was, like, doing runway shows and living in models' apartments.
06:45So instead of going to college, I'm living in models' apartments with all the beautiful
06:48people, and I, there was a male supermodel named Marcus Schenkenberg, the movie Zoolander
06:54was loosely based on, and I was with the same agency he was, and he was meant to be a
06:59guest
07:00on an MTV show, but he couldn't do the rehearsal due to his busy schedule, so my agent said,
07:05we should send Simon to fill in for him.
07:07He'll probably get a job out of this.
07:08I go fill in for him just to know what questions to ask a male model, and me and the
07:14VJ Kennedy
07:15were just zinging and zanging, and they're like, you want a job?
07:19They offered me a job.
07:20They go, do you want to be a VJ?
07:21And I said to them, I'll never forget, I said, I have no journalism, no music, I have
07:24no journalism experience, no music knowledge, and I've never been on TV.
07:27And they go, perfect, you got the job.
07:29And overnight, I was announcing MTV live with the red camera on, interviewing Tupac,
07:34interviewing Howard Stern for private parts.
07:36It was, like, 96, 97, and overnight, I was thrust into that world.
07:40Dude, that's, like, the fucking bullshit Hollywood story that they fucking feed you.
07:44Hey, kid, you got a good look.
07:46You want to interview people or what?
07:47It's straight up how it went down, and I...
07:49Hey, you want to be making potato sacks for a living or what?
07:52Dude, it was better than working in a potato sack factory, and, and then...
07:57A sacktory?
07:58Sorry.
07:58It was in, and then I was on MTV, and Gus Van Sant, director of a lot of great movies,
08:05I love Drugstore Cowboy, My Own Private Idaho, and Good Will Hunting.
08:08He was making Good Will Hunting, and he saw me on MTV, and had me come in and read with
08:12Matt Damon.
08:13I came in, I never acted in my life, and I'm sitting there reading the lines like this.
08:17And this is, what, 22-year-old Harvard Matt Damon?
08:20Yeah, this is, this was before they shot the movie.
08:22Oh, shit.
08:23So, I'm reading with Matt Damon, I remember he had a leg cast, he must have had a broken
08:26leg, and nothing gets by me.
08:30And I read with them, and it's so bad that Gus Van Sant stops me and goes,
08:35Simon, I have to stop you, this is the worst audition I've ever seen.
08:38And Matt Damon starts laughing at me, and I was like, yeah, I've never done this before.
08:42He goes, you're not ready for this movie, but I want you to go to acting school,
08:45because you've got something.
08:48And I went to acting school, and that's how it happened.
08:51And then I just started booking shit, because I didn't know what I was doing,
08:53and I didn't care, and I was like, all right, whatever, better than a potato sack factory.
08:57And I think when you're young and don't give a fuck, it's a superpower.
09:00Yeah.
09:01As soon as you start caring or thinking you're something, you lost the game.
09:07You said something really true to me once.
09:09You're like, once you drink your own Kool-Aid, you lost, right?
09:13Yeah, once you actually think you're the fucking shit, and you're not in the shower,
09:19alone, talking to yourself, and you are actually going out and about,
09:24and thinking it's over.
09:26Yeah, um, is it true, in this acting class, your teacher was Taylor Sheridan?
09:33That's absolutely, he was, no, he was actually a private, he wasn't my teacher in a class.
09:37He did privates, and I would go to him for privates.
09:40And I'll never forget Taylor Sheridan, for you guys watching, he writes the,
09:43he's probably the biggest writer in Hollywood, you could say, for.
09:46He has 15 TV shows going, and all of them are, like, number one.
09:50Yellowstone, it goes on and on, he's the guy.
09:53Mayor of Kingston, Tulsa King, Lioness.
09:54Yeah, all of them, all of them.
09:55And I'll never forget this, I was, like, I was working on some audition with him,
09:59and he was, like, you know what, Simon, I'm so tired of you actors coming in here
10:02with this horrible writing, I should start writing TV and film.
10:05And I remember thinking, like, oh, sure, dude.
10:08That's another old school Hollywood story.
10:11Dude, props to Taylor Sheridan, that he went out and started writing,
10:15and now, so, yeah, he was my acting, private acting coach.
10:21And then I was, I think I was young and arrogant, I was doing really well,
10:25and I was booking everything, and I learned a lesson pretty quickly,
10:28like, when I'd go in with a little hangover and my hair messy,
10:31and I didn't really know my lines, I'd book it.
10:33When I'd get eight hours sleep, I'd over-rehearse, I had it perfectly, I wouldn't book it.
10:37I think people want it so badly, especially people in showbiz,
10:40because they want it really bad, and I think that turns people off.
10:43I've only experienced this recently when I was, we were casting somebody to play my brother,
10:49and I, for the first time, was on the other side of the table
10:51seeing what people like when they come in to read.
10:53And I remember when people came in, and they were, like, nervous,
10:56and you could tell they wanted it, it was like, ah.
10:58Right.
10:58And then when some dude came in, relaxed, and just killed it,
11:00it was like, that's the dude, you know?
11:02Right.
11:02So I think there's a lot, I think that applies to a lot of things in life.
11:06But when you're young, you don't really know that.
11:08That comes, I think, with age and time, is that you learn that,
11:12because I certainly wasn't aware when I was younger and didn't care.
11:16And now that I'm older, I think I went through that yoga phase you brought up earlier
11:20when I was, like, 40.
11:22I went through a phase of, like, you know, I care.
11:26It's a weird dichotomy because now I'm in a place where I don't care,
11:31but I care a lot, if that makes sense.
11:33Right.
11:33You know, it's weird.
11:34I care.
11:35It's like I don't take myself that seriously, but I take the work seriously.
11:38You manage it better.
11:39Yeah.
11:39Where, like, you, when I used to, when I used to, when I don't get things,
11:45like, I used to be, like, gutted.
11:48Mm-hmm.
11:48Like, and I would see the movie come out and be like, this motherfucker.
11:53And now I'm like, oh, I tried to be in that.
11:55Yep.
11:55And it just, you're like, the next thing will come.
11:59That's right.
11:59You know, so maybe that's what you're saying?
12:01I think that's part of it.
12:02You know, one door closes.
12:03It's all the cliche bumper sticker shit is true.
12:05One door closes, another one opens.
12:07There's so many times, like, so now when something doesn't happen, I'm like, cool.
12:10It wasn't meant to be.
12:11So I think that just comes with the gray hairs, which are pretty crispy.
12:16No, I'm glad you're keeping it all natural, dog.
12:18Yeah.
12:18I only die when I got to work.
12:19I feel like I, so when I'm not shooting, I go gray, dog.
12:24But it's a full head of gray hair, dude.
12:25It's a full head gray hair.
12:27Yeah.
12:27And it's, like, all salt and pepper, patchy, sexy.
12:29It's salt and pepper, baby.
12:30I like it.
12:31Hell yeah.
12:31But how, you have, like, such a, like, you were in peak scary movies.
12:36Yeah, I was in peak scary movies, dude.
12:37Peak scary movies.
12:38You were in a fucking sitcom for, like, two, three seasons.
12:43Yeah, a couple years, it's, I did a sitcom called What I Like About You, Amanda Bynes.
12:46When people fucking watch shit like that.
12:48It's like, oh, three.
12:49We're talking, like, oh, three.
12:50Scary Movie 3 was big.
12:51People still come up to me.
12:52That's what most people think.
12:54I had a dream.
12:54Where do I know you from in Scary Movie 3?
12:55I want a dream.
12:56That shit.
12:57I got to play Eminem.
12:59Dude.
12:59I got to play, it was, like, a parody that, you know, those movies are so much fun.
13:04And that was huge.
13:05That was, like, the lead in a studio movie.
13:07And it's, like, that was the dream.
13:09And I remember I was, like, you know, my, I think I, it's funny we just said that.
13:12I just remembered something.
13:14I had my first gray hair on the set of Scary Movie.
13:17I remember my Nokia phone.
13:18And the hair lady was, like, oh, look, you got a gray hair.
13:21And I pulled it out, or she pulled it out, and I taped it with Scotch tape to the back
13:25of my Nokia phone.
13:26And I'm, like, here's the first gray hair.
13:28And that was in 2003, 23 years ago.
13:31So now there's more gray hairs.
13:33That's how it works.
13:34When we met, it seemed like you were in a place where you were just, like, fuck this.
13:38Like, this is over.
13:39That was around the yoga phase.
13:40That was about that time.
13:42I was doing a web series.
13:43I was doing a fucking web series.
13:44And I was, like, I'm happy to have this because the acting shit dried up.
13:47So, basically, I fucked up pretty bad.
13:50But looking back, it all happened for a good reason.
13:52But I basically was going from that time when I was doing Scary Movie 3 and sitcoms, making a very
13:58good living, I would make music in my spare bedroom with my boys.
14:02And we were just fucking around.
14:03This is CD burner days.
14:05And I had a little music studio, and we would rap, do comedy rap.
14:08Me and Mickey Avalon and Andre Legacy would truly make music for each other to laugh.
14:14And I'd burn it on CDs, and I'd go out to the clubs in L.A., and I'd hand out
14:18burned CDs to, like, celebrities and hot girls and whoever.
14:21And somehow it ended up in the hands of Interscope Records.
14:24Next thing you know, me and Mickey Avalon are on tour with the Red Hot Chili Peppers in Europe in
14:28front of 60,000 people booing us, flipping us off, throwing food at us.
14:32We're dodging food and drinks.
14:35And as the Chili Peppers are on the side watching us going, yeah, you guys are talking.
14:40With their cocks in the side.
14:41Judging you.
14:41So, dude, it was crazy.
14:43And I remember this now past Nokia days, this was Blackberry days at this point.
14:47It's funny how I can remember the errors based on the phone.
14:50But this was Blackberry days, and my agent at the time was emailing me like, hey, we got an audition
14:54for you for ER or some shit.
14:56Where are you?
14:57I'm like, I'm on tour with the Chili Peppers.
14:59Like, what the fuck are you doing?
15:00I'm like, I don't know, but I'm having a ball.
15:02It was fun.
15:03And I was writing my own shit and, you know, that live interaction with the fans and going on stage.
15:08And then realistically, like the Chili Peppers, that was its own thing.
15:12But then we would go do like 600, 700-person venues, sell them out across the country.
15:17And it was so much fun.
15:19But that was between like 30 and 40-ish.
15:23So it was a little old to be rapping.
15:25You know what I mean?
15:26It was like, that's an early 20s.
15:28But not comedy rap.
15:28That's true.
15:29Yeah.
15:29So the goal was we want to make comedy music that's actually listenable with like good beats that has replay
15:35value.
15:35That isn't just a joke.
15:36It's like listenable.
15:37And I'll never forget Mickey Avalon saying, we need to rap to girls.
15:40All these other dudes are rapping to other dudes.
15:42That shit's corny.
15:43What do girls want to hear?
15:45I was like, damn, that's smart.
15:46And we would write, okay, what do girls want to hear?
15:50And our shot.
15:50I always tell people, you don't got to like our music.
15:52I don't like our music.
15:53Come to the show.
15:54There's going to be 70% girls having a good time.
15:57It was a party.
15:58What are your songs?
15:59It's in The Hangover.
16:00Yeah, we had a song in The Hangover.
16:02What do you do?
16:03Little John May.
16:05And our big hit was My Dick, which went platinum.
16:08And I have a fucking platinum.
16:09It's so funny, dude.
16:10I have a platinum plaque above my toilet that says My Dick, one million sold.
16:15How hard did you laugh when My Dick took off?
16:17It was so funny.
16:19Dude, it was just, it's so funny.
16:21Like, life is a big cosmic joke, and that shit was so funny because so many musicians
16:25out there trying to blow up and get a deal, and we got one just fucking around.
16:28It's like my whole life has been just fucking around and working out.
16:32So when people ask me for like career advice, I'm like, dude, I'm the last one to ask.
16:37I don't know.
16:37I got lucky and was having fun.
16:40I didn't really want it, and it just happened to me.
16:42You know what I mean?
16:43Like, that sounds so privileged, but that's how it happened.
16:46And so then, a few years into rapping, I was like, oh, shit, I fucked up.
16:51I can't do this till I'm 70.
16:53I could have acted till I'm 70.
16:55And then the acting dried up, and my agents are like, why are we working for you if you're
17:01rapping about your dick?
17:02What are we doing?
17:03So I remember having that moment of, oh, shit, now I'm committed to this persona that
17:07I created.
17:08And then when I hit 40, I was like, man, this shit's not the move.
17:12Like, I blew it, and then I went through like the midlife crisis and started going to yoga,
17:17and I was like trying to get sober, and I'd go sober for a little bit and quit smoking
17:20weed and all this bullshit.
17:22And then I quit all, everything.
17:26I quit everything, and I moved to Joshua Tree.
17:29And I bought a tiny little house with all the money I made after 20 plus years in entertainment,
17:33and I bought a little tiny shipping container house on a little piece of land out in Joshua
17:37Tree.
17:37And I go, you know what?
17:39I'm going to just try something else, and I don't care anymore.
17:42Back to I don't care.
17:43I was like, whatever, I'm done.
17:45I don't want to rap.
17:46I don't want to act.
17:47I don't, I'm done.
17:48And then one of the best filmmakers ever was just like, hey, what you doing over there?
17:52That's what happened, and I was just chilling in Joshua Tree right after I bought my house.
17:55I'm like, I could Airbnb, I'll Airbnb this out.
17:58I could rent it out for weddings or funerals or orgies or something.
18:02And I was like, what am I going to do?
18:03And then I get a call, I get hit up by Sean Baker's director of Enora, one of the best
18:10filmmakers in the world, reaches out to me on social media to get my phone number or something
18:14like that.
18:15We get on the phone, he goes, hey man, can you audition for this movie real quick?
18:19So I auditioned on my phone, he sent me the scene, I sent it in, and he was like, okay,
18:23I need you in Texas in three days.
18:25We're going to shoot this movie.
18:26Just don't tell your agent or your manager, this is COVID times.
18:29We're going to try to pull this movie off.
18:31I don't even know if we can make it, just get out here and let's try.
18:34And I just show up and we tried and it executed quite well.
18:39Premiered at Cannes Film Festival.
18:41Hell yeah, standing O, Indie Spirit Award winner right here.
18:43You got a Spirit Award, dude, that is so surreal.
18:46Put that right next to my dick.
18:47Yeah, dude, I know, it's so funny.
18:49And, you know, again, I don't know what to say.
18:53I'm just very grateful, but I still have imposter syndrome and I'm still like, why me?
18:59But I think you need, we talked about this, you need a little bit of that, not drinking
19:03your own Kool-Aid.
19:04I still feel like I got so much to prove and I just want to work hard and I feel
19:07like I'm
19:08just getting started because, like, yeah, I feel that I'm just now comfortable with who
19:16the fuck I am.
19:17And there's a lot of work out there, more than when you're younger, I think.
19:19I could play the sexy daddy with gray hair.
19:21I could play the doctor, ooh, can you pass the scalpel and the scissors, Miriam?
19:27I could play an orthodontist, hey, open your mouth, skip on.
19:32I could, you get the idea.
19:36No, I think, I think that attitude is, well, you also know what it's like to not be invited
19:42to the party.
19:43Yes.
19:43I lost my seat at the table and then I got it back.
19:45So my attitude wasn't, fuck you guys, it was more, it was just funny because life is
19:49a big, absurd, weird fucking magic carpet ride and I'm just riding the wave and, like,
19:55look, it could end again.
19:56I'm just, now I think I'm old enough in the past, I think I took it for granted.
19:59I was, like, I'd be on set of Scary Movie 3 working with fucking David Zucker and Kevin
20:04Hart and Leslie Nielsen and, like, the legends and I was that guy.
20:07I was, like, man, what time do I get out of here?
20:09Like, I was that guy.
20:10And now that I got it back, I'm, like, I want to be here all day.
20:14You know what I mean?
20:15And I'm very lucky that I get to pick the jobs that get offered to me where a few years
20:21before I would be happy to do some shitty guest star on a TV show.
20:25I'd be like, yes, I got a guest star on fucking Rwanda Nelson, you know?
20:30Right.
20:31That sounds like a horrible show.
20:34No, no, no.
20:35This week on Rwanda Nelson.
20:39Those words don't go together.
20:41And we watched a lot of movies.
20:43You put me on to some good ones.
20:44We watched The Last Dragon together.
20:46Remember when we watched Terrifier?
20:48You put me on to Terrifier.
20:49Machine Gun Kelly left.
20:50He was like, how do you guys watch this?
20:52I'm like, it's fake.
20:53That's when I had back surgery and I was laid up on your couch.
20:55And I remember he would come by and we would be watching our movie.
20:57And he's like, I can't watch this shit.
20:58I remember it's just funny because he dresses like a vampire.
21:01Right.
21:02And he was like, this is fucked up.
21:03Yeah.
21:04Die Hard.
21:04One of our favorite movies we've watched.
21:06Hell yeah.
21:06He bought me a Die Hard.
21:08What did I get you?
21:08Like a poster?
21:09Oh.
21:10No.
21:10The rug?
21:11The rug, dude.
21:11Dude.
21:12Still got it, dude.
21:13Die Hard.
21:13It's huge.
21:14Dude.
21:15Is it huge?
21:15It's fucking massive.
21:17Well.
21:18He got me a Die Hard.
21:20A rug.
21:21A rug.
21:21That's how much I know you like that movie.
21:24And it's, it's, it wouldn't be able to fit in the street.
21:26It's the size of Nakatomi Towers.
21:28Yeah.
21:29Is that how you pronounce it?
21:30Nakatomi Plaza?
21:31Plaza.
21:33It's one of those buildings you drive by in LA all the time.
21:35You just can't not think about Bruce Willis barefoot.
21:37Whoever made the decision to make him barefoot.
21:41He was very relatable because in that era it was like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone.
21:45And he had like dad bod and was like balding and barefoot.
21:47But it was like hot.
21:48I could relate to this guy.
21:49It was still hot though.
21:50He would curl his toes for jet lag.
21:51I still think that works and do that.
21:53Make fists with your toes.
21:54Yeah, make fists with your toes.
21:55And he, what does he say when he does them at the hotel?
21:57Yeah.
21:58Son of a bitch.
21:59Whatever happened to Elliot from that movie?
22:01Elliot?
22:01Oh, the guy who was like the coked up guy?
22:03Yeah.
22:03Dude, that guy was awesome.
22:04He was awesome.
22:05Perfect casting.
22:06So good.
22:07It's a perfect movie.
22:07It's a Rolex.
22:08What's another perfect movie?
22:09I'm going to go ahead and say Midnight Run.
22:11Jaws.
22:12There's some movies out there that just do, I think Back to the Future is the perfect movie.
22:15Yeah.
22:16Operation Taco Gary.
22:17Operation Taco Gary.
22:19I'm so proud of it.
22:20I produced it.
22:21And I'm, okay, so I have friends who are conspiracy theorists.
22:24I'm sure we all have them.
22:26Anybody at home watching, you either are one, there's one in your family, or you know one.
22:30And they're fun to have at the dinner table.
22:32And they're so adamant about their beliefs.
22:34And I find that to be very funny.
22:36And my theory is always like, look, if you can't at the end of saying the earth is flat
22:40and there's lizard people, at the end of that sentence, you have to be able to say,
22:44or maybe I'm wrong.
22:45And if you can't do that, then that's a problem.
22:47And you're too, you're an extremist of your beliefs.
22:51And so I thought it was a funny world to explore.
22:54Michael Kwame wrote and directed it, who started Funny or Die.
22:57He was Will Ferrell's writing partner.
22:58Really funny dude.
22:59The script had me laugh out loud on every page.
23:02And I got you laughing.
23:05No, we were laughing.
23:05It's a throwback to like the early 2000s, like Harold and Kumar kind of era.
23:10And that's why Jason Biggs being in it is like the perfect dude to play himself.
23:13Jason Biggs is phenomenal.
23:14He's fucking great.
23:16Also a good dude.
23:17He is a good dude.
23:18Yeah.
23:18You know what's interesting too is a lot of comedians, like a lot of, it's interesting to
23:21see, like you're a comedian who could do, who could make the transition to acting.
23:26Not a lot of comics can do it, but when they do do it, they're really good.
23:30And it's not the other way around.
23:32You don't see a lot of dramatic actors being able to do comedy, really.
23:35So when you get your Robin Williams or your Jim Carrey, who could be so vulnerable and
23:39like, you know, and in Bupkiss, you had some serious acting shit you had to do, bro.
23:45That was obviously from, pulled from real life, but I will argue that that's harder to do.
23:49I saw Matthew McConaise, Matthew McConaise, McConaise say recently that someone was like,
23:55yeah, in the movie, you were, you just seemed like yourself.
23:58And some people might take that as an insult.
24:00He's like, that's the best compliment you can get, is that I was just being myself.
24:04Like when Eminem played himself in a movie, people were like, yeah, but he's just playing
24:07Eminem.
24:08I'm like, yeah, but that's not as easy.
24:09Yeah, but that's still acting.
24:11Right?
24:11Yeah.
24:12Because there's other movies where people play themselves and they are terrible.
24:16That's what I'm saying.
24:17And look, I'm not going to sit here like acting is like the hardest thing in the world.
24:21I think it's better than the Potato Sack Factory.
24:23What was the last movie you saw a trailer of that you were like, I saw, I saw it.
24:28You mean, I saw it like that gave me the whole movie.
24:30Where you're like, oh, I need to go see what happens.
24:32They never do that anymore.
24:33It's like, I don't know.
24:35Well, it's actually a scary movie six I want to see, but I think I have a relationship
24:38with it that regardless of the trailer, I got to go see that one.
24:43Chris Elliott's the man.
24:44Dude, Chris Elliott's the best.
24:45He's like one of my heroes, like Get a Life, that show he did back in the day, is maybe
24:51what molded, I think my sense of humor was molded a lot by Get a Life, Chris Elliott,
24:56by Mel Brooks, by David Zucker.
25:00As a kid, I remember when, this is how I'm aging myself here, but I remember when the VCR
25:03was invented and you're like, holy shit, I could record off of the TV and you would
25:08just have HBO on and you could record Mel Brooks' History of the World Part One.
25:12Or you could record, you know, Naked Gun and watch it over and over and over.
25:18And I think as an only child, that was, TV was my best friend and I would sit there and
25:22just absorb deep into the back of my brain so much of that comedy that it molded my humor.
25:29Do you think that makes sense?
25:30Do you have anyone who as a kid you watched that molded Eddie Murphy?
25:33Eddie Murphy.
25:34So when you did a movie with Eddie Murphy, was that just like, okay, I did it now?
25:37Yeah.
25:37You did the movie with Eddie Murphy, like you checked.
25:39I was just, yeah, there's so many reasons why like that, that will always hold a special
25:45place in my heart, regardless of like how it, how it did or how people felt about it.
25:50I was like, I did it.
25:53You did it.
25:53I got to, I got to do it.
25:55We talk about this, like who has the most charisma of all time?
25:58Not best actor, not best looking, not funniest, not best actor, whatever.
26:02Eddie Murphy might arguably be the most charisma jumping off the screen.
26:06He's the, he, right?
26:08Yeah.
26:08There's no one bigger than him.
26:09I think in his bag, in his prime, between, I was thinking Jack's the other one and they're
26:15so different.
26:15Jack does nothing and he has charisma by doing the least, right?
26:19I mean, that's not true.
26:20He could, I don't care what your grandmother said in the courtroom.
26:25Oh, here's Ricky.
26:27Right.
26:29But to that point.
26:31If we could just add three to five moments of Simon spontaneously combusting.
26:38Yeah, just my head exploding over and over.
26:40Oh, I'd really appreciate it for this episode.
26:42I wish we could just do this forever.
26:43This is the best.
26:45It's, it's fun.
26:46It's like, we're literally about to go do this in the other room right now.
26:49Oh, we're about to watch Melania, dude.
26:50Yeah, dude.
26:51Crispy.
26:52All right.
26:53Crispy.
26:53Thanks for coming.
26:57Crispy.
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