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01:58These were actually the first direct talks
02:00between both countries since 1993
02:02talks mediated by US Secretary of State Marco Rubio
02:07as you said
02:08who had urged both sides
02:09to seize a historic opportunity for peace
02:13Now, Lebanon of course wants a ceasefire
02:16Israel wants the elimination of the Iranian
02:20pro-Iranian Hezbollah militia in Lebanon
02:24whose attacks on Israel have pulled the country
02:27into this conflict in the first place
02:29Hezbollah, by the way, who is adamantly opposed
02:31to these talks
02:33and even claimed a series of rocket attacks
02:35against Israel
02:37while these talks in Washington were going on
02:41So it's not clear this morning
02:42whether the discussions have yielded
02:45any sizable progress
02:47The Israeli ambassador said
02:48after the two-hour meeting
02:49that both sides were united
02:52in liberating Lebanon from Hezbollah
02:55but there was no Lebanese statement
02:57at all after the talk
02:59So we have to see how things develop
03:00They have agreed to continue their talks
03:03And Stefan, looking at the wider situation
03:05the talks between the US and Iran
03:07have really stalled since last weekend
03:08but there could be hopes
03:10that those talks could be revived
03:12Well, there was a lot of disappointment
03:14in the region
03:15after the US pulled out of these talks
03:17but this morning there is a slim hope
03:20with President Donald Trump
03:23suggesting that there might be
03:25something coming up
03:26in the next two days
03:30Apparently, Vice President J.D. Vance
03:32is on standby to go into round two
03:35Of course, the main sticking point
03:37remains the Iranian uranium enrichment capability
03:42Both sides have suggested a suspension
03:45but they haven't agreed on a timetable
03:48The US wants 20 years
03:50Iran wants five years
03:52So a lot to talk about here
03:54Stay tuned
03:56We will stay tuned
03:57And Stefan, thank you for bringing us up to speed on that
04:00Now, just ahead of those talks
04:02between Lebanon and Israel yesterday
04:05Our Middle East expert, Sophie Clodet
04:07spoke exclusively to Amir Bissat
04:10the Lebanese economy minister
04:12She asked him about the Lebanese expectations
04:15for the negotiations
04:16and also about how his government
04:19is hoping to pressure Hezbollah
04:21to lay down its arms
04:22This is what he had to say
04:24The number one objective at this stage
04:27is the end of hostilities
04:28and the cessation of the violence
04:31Lebanon has paid an extremely high price
04:35and continues to pay an extremely high price
04:37both in terms of death, injured
04:40as well as massive displacement
04:41We want our people
04:42We want the 1.4 million people
04:44to go back to their lands
04:45to their homes
04:46We're counting on the national consensus
04:50at this point
04:50that nobody wants violence internally
04:53And we believe strongly
04:55that through discussions, negotiations
04:59working with all Lebanese
05:01of all sects and all religions
05:03under the premise that I just mentioned
05:06the two-legged premise of
05:08sovereignty of the state
05:10and liberation of the south
05:11and the hostilities
05:13but at the same time
05:14complete control over the decisions
05:17and taking over the arms
05:18We are all in the same boat at this stage
05:22and I think if we present it that way
05:24there will be a consensus
05:26eventually on this
05:27The Lebanese economy minister
05:29Amir Bissat there
05:31Joining us live now from Beirut
05:34for more on the situation in Lebanon
05:35is Rima Abdul-Malak
05:37a former French minister for culture
05:39who is now executive director
05:41of L'Orient Le Jour
05:42one of Lebanon's leading daily newspapers
05:45and its English equivalent
05:46L'Orient Today
05:47Rima, welcome
05:48Good morning
05:49Great to have you on the show
05:50Good morning
05:51So can you start by describing to us
05:54the feeling there on the ground
05:55in Lebanon this morning
05:56after I think what is now
05:58seven weeks of Israeli bombardment?
06:02Yes, after seven weeks of war
06:04we're really exhausted
06:06and there's a lot of anger and despair here
06:11but we have this very slight glimmer of hope
06:16since yesterday evening
06:18with this historic moment
06:20of first step of talks
06:23I can't even say negotiations so far
06:25because it looks like more a staging
06:27of negotiations
06:28rather than real negotiations
06:30with timelines and objectives
06:32and mediators
06:33but still it's such a historic occasion
06:36and it's maybe our last chance
06:38to start on the good path
06:42for a future process
06:44leading to maybe peace and stability
06:46for the future
06:47Rima, you speak of a glimmer of hope
06:49but I guess the elephant in the room
06:51in these talks is Hezbollah
06:53because Israel's war is on
06:54that militia group
06:56but it's negotiating with Lebanon
06:58and does the Lebanese government
07:01have any cards to play in these talks?
07:04Of course
07:05and the Lebanese government
07:07needs the support
07:08of the international community
07:10France, Europe, the Gulf countries
07:13we need support to the army
07:15to re-legitimate the army
07:17and give her like means
07:20to undertake this long process
07:23of reducing Hezbollah's militia
07:28and transform it
07:30into a more classical political party
07:33because Hezbollah won't disappear completely
07:35but as a militia
07:37armed by Iran
07:39and funded by Iran
07:41this is not our wish
07:43for the future of Lebanon anyway
07:45so that's very clear
07:47that the Lebanese government
07:48wants also
07:50to get rid of this Iranian
07:53occupation
07:53on our ground
07:55And I know
07:56that you yourself
07:57fled Lebanon
07:58when you were just 10 years old
07:59shortly after Israel
08:01occupied the south
08:02of the country
08:03Do you fear
08:05that we could see
08:06a repeat of history here
08:08because we have seen Israel
08:10trying to expand
08:10what they call
08:11the buffer zone
08:12in the south?
08:13Yeah
08:14Behind me you have old editions
08:17of Lorient Le Jour
08:18from 1978
08:19when Israel invaded the south
08:22and actually Hezbollah
08:24was created in 1982
08:26in reaction
08:27in opposition
08:28in resistance
08:29as they say
08:30to the Israeli occupation
08:32so history told us
08:34during more than 40 years
08:36that occupation
08:37leads to extremism
08:38leads to fanatism
08:39leads to war
08:40and violence
08:41So this is why
08:43we are very much concerned
08:45about what is going on now
08:46No ceasefire
08:47but the negotiations
08:48are starting
08:50No guarantee
08:51that Israel
08:52will not occupy
08:53the south again
08:54So this is really
08:56not reassuring
08:57because if we start
08:58by the same
08:59vicious circle
09:01again
09:03no peace is possible
09:05Okay
09:05Rima Abdul-Malak
09:06thank you so much
09:07and I know
09:08the reporters
09:08of Lorient Le Jour
09:10are doing important work
09:11there on the ground
09:11documenting what is happening
09:13in Lebanon
09:13Thank you for joining us
09:14this morning
09:16Now
09:16moving on now
09:18Pakistan has proposed
09:20as we mentioned earlier
09:21a second round of talks
09:23between the US
09:24and Iran
09:25after last weekend's
09:26negotiations
09:27in Islamabad
09:28ended in a standoff
09:29Yesterday
09:30our EU editor
09:31Maria Tadeo
09:32spoke to
09:32President Donald Trump's
09:34former special representative
09:35to Iran
09:36Elliot Abrams
09:38and started by asking him
09:39what would constitute
09:40a good deal
09:41for the US
09:42in those talks
09:43The president needs
09:45to get a better deal
09:46than Barack Obama
09:48got in 2015
09:49in the JCPOA
09:51because he has reviled
09:53that agreement
09:53the worst agreement
09:54in world history
09:56so he's got to get
09:57better than that
09:58That deal put off
10:00for maybe 10 years
10:02or so
10:02the Iranian nuclear program
10:05but it said nothing
10:06about support
10:08for proxies
10:09and it said nothing
10:11about the ballistic
10:12missile program
10:13So I think
10:14Iran has got to be
10:16willing to give
10:17on those
10:18or else the president
10:20will be forced
10:20to do something more
10:22He's got
10:23now the blockade
10:24What he has not done
10:25and might be a next step
10:27would be taking
10:28an island
10:29in the Persian Gulf
10:31But again
10:32I think for all sorts
10:33of obvious reasons
10:35politics
10:36the US economy
10:38the elections
10:38in November
10:39I don't think
10:40he wants to do that
10:41The question I think
10:43is
10:43who's making decisions
10:45in Tehran
10:46and how much
10:47responsibility
10:48do they have?
10:49And that is a good question
10:51So who do you think
10:51that person is?
10:52And of course
10:52this is all playing out
10:53big time
10:54in the energy market
10:56Yeah
10:56I don't think
10:58there is one person
11:00there was
11:00in the late
11:01supreme leader
11:02He could actually
11:03make a decision
11:04one person
11:05and make it stick
11:06His son
11:07who is now
11:08supreme leader
11:09may even be
11:10in a coma
11:11we don't know
11:13Even if he is
11:14not in a coma
11:15he's not
11:16able to enforce
11:18his rule
11:19He's too new
11:21too young
11:23So I think
11:24it's probably
11:24a ruling group
11:26a group of
11:27three or five
11:28or seven
11:29or ten people
11:30who sit
11:31at a table
11:32Well maybe
11:32they don't sit
11:32at a table
11:33because they're afraid
11:34a table will be
11:35hit by a bomb
11:36but
11:37who talk to
11:38each other
11:38somehow
11:39and figure out
11:40how far can
11:41we go here
11:42I think that's
11:43going to be
11:44a real
11:45problem
11:45Of course
11:46there's talks
11:46now between
11:47the Israelis
11:47and the Lebanese
11:48government
11:48too when you
11:49talk about
11:49the proxies
11:50What is the
11:51calculus
11:51that Israel
11:52is making?
11:55The Israeli
11:56calculus
11:56I think
11:57is
11:57look
11:57they were
11:58attacked
11:58by Hezbollah
11:59They were
12:00and the U.S.
12:01was in a war
12:02with Iran
12:02not with Lebanon
12:03and Hezbollah
12:04presumably under
12:05instructions
12:06from Tehran
12:07attacked Israel
12:08So the Israelis
12:10are pushing back
12:10the Lebanese government
12:11the Lebanese army
12:12are doing nothing
12:13So the Israelis
12:14are pushing back
12:16On the Iran front
12:17they will
12:18follow
12:18President Trump
12:20That is
12:21when he said
12:21If President Trump
12:22says that's a good deal
12:23will they accept it?
12:24You believe
12:25they will accept it?
12:26Absolutely
12:27Yeah
12:27And what makes you
12:29believe that?
12:30Pardon?
12:31What makes you
12:31believe that?
12:32There's many who think
12:33Israel will still
12:34want to continue
12:36They may still
12:37want to
12:38but they won't
12:38They have a very
12:39close relationship
12:40with the United States
12:41under President Trump
12:42Netanyahu
12:43and Trump
12:43have a close
12:44relationship
12:44In the 12-day war
12:46last year
12:46last June
12:48when Trump
12:49said stop
12:49they stopped
12:50and I think
12:51they will hear too
12:52We've heard now
12:52the U.S. president
12:53repeated multiple times
12:54NATO did not help
12:56NATO countries
12:57say this is a
12:57defensive alliance
12:58He keeps saying
12:59NATO and the Europeans
13:00in particular
13:01it's a paper tiger
13:02What ramifications
13:04in the medium term
13:04is this going to have?
13:07On the medium term
13:08I would take to be
13:09three years
13:10meaning the Trump years
13:11you've got three years to go
13:12The relationship
13:13is not going to
13:14improve much
13:15He won't get out of NATO
13:16I don't think
13:17he has the ability
13:18to get out of NATO
13:19legally
13:20under U.S. law
13:21takes more than a year
13:23and you need Congress
13:25but the relationship
13:26is clearly weakened
13:27To me
13:28the real question is
13:30who is
13:31our next president
13:32and will he try
13:34to rebuild
13:34that relationship?
13:39Elliot Abrams there
13:40Moving on now
13:41Ukraine's President
13:42Volodymyr Zelensky
13:43is on a whistle-tops
13:45tour of European capitals
13:46He'll be in Rome
13:47later today
13:48after visits
13:49to Germany
13:50and Norway
13:51yesterday
13:52To debrief us
13:53on his talks
13:54with the German
13:55Chancellor Friedrich Metz
13:56we can bring in
13:56our correspondent
13:58Laura Fleischmann
13:59who's standing by
14:00for us in a sunny
14:01Berlin this morning
14:03Good morning Laura
14:04Can you start
14:05by telling us
14:06what was achieved
14:07in that surprise visit
14:08by Zelensky
14:09to Berlin yesterday?
14:12Good morning
14:13to you too
14:14and the main headline
14:15to come out
14:16of this visit
14:17is likely going to be
14:18the strategic partnership
14:19that Germany
14:20and Ukraine
14:21want to work on
14:22that goes well
14:22beyond military aid
14:24There were multiple
14:25agreements signed
14:26one on working
14:27together in defense
14:28and another one
14:29on rebuilding
14:31Ukraine's industry
14:32and those focused
14:33on working together
14:35regarding air defense
14:36drones
14:37and joint development
14:38projects
14:39but this visit
14:40was truly important
14:41and significant
14:42because those
14:43were the first
14:43government consultations
14:45between Ukraine
14:46and Germany
14:46in well over 20 years
14:48Zelensky brought
14:49a big delegation
14:50with him
14:50alongside his
14:51defense minister
14:52and they worked
14:54together on
14:55speaking about
14:56the EU loan
14:57the 90 billion euro
14:59loan that has been
15:00blocked by Hungary's
15:01Prime Minister
15:01Viktor Orban
15:02and now with the
15:03opposition winning
15:04just last weekend
15:05Merzzi sees
15:06a window of opportunity
15:07opening up to release
15:09this loan
15:09and he pushed hard
15:10on releasing it
15:11and Zelensky
15:12during his visit
15:13he stated
15:14that he still wants
15:15to join the EU
15:16he wants to join NATO
15:17he doesn't want
15:18a light EU
15:18or light NATO membership
15:20but let's hear it
15:21from Zelensky himself
15:22what he actually had to say
15:23during his visit
15:24in Berlin
15:27We simply do not
15:29have enough money
15:30but today we have
15:31already talked about it
15:32and we hope that Germany
15:33as one of the leaders
15:34of the European Union
15:35will help us
15:36to quickly unlock
15:3790 billion euros
15:38and we will be able
15:39to replenish our
15:40Ukrainian products
15:41with investments
15:41and then the total
15:43use of products
15:44on the battlefield
15:44will be even greater
15:46And the German
15:50Defense Minister
15:51Boris Pistorius
15:52will also host guests
15:53including the NATO
15:55chief Mark Rutte
15:56in Berlin
15:56later today
15:57Laura what can we expect?
16:00Well today
16:01the Ukraine Defense
16:02Contact Group
16:03is coming together
16:04it's a group consisting
16:05of well over 50 member states
16:07they work on coordinating
16:09military aid for Ukraine
16:10and what's likely going
16:12to be most interesting
16:13about today
16:13is that Ukraine
16:14plans on presenting
16:15its war plan
16:16on how to push Russia
16:17further towards peace
16:19and this plan consists
16:20of three key elements
16:21the first one
16:22is air defense
16:23the second one
16:23drone expansion
16:24but the third one
16:25I find most fascinating
16:27it's data exchange
16:28Ukraine plans on exchanging
16:30real combat data
16:32with technology
16:33and with funding
16:34so it wants to support
16:35its supporters
16:37and yesterday
16:38and today
16:39showed that Berlin
16:40is cementing itself
16:41as the coordination hub
16:43for European defense
16:44support to Ukraine
16:46as the US steps down
16:47and the EU steps up
16:48Laura in Berlin
16:50thank you so much
16:51for bringing us
16:52up to speed there
16:53now moving on
16:54to Spain now
16:55the leader
16:56Pedro Sánchez
16:57has gained a reputation
16:58on the international stage
17:00for its critical stance
17:02on the wars
17:02in Gaza and Iran
17:04but at home
17:05he faces a tough
17:06and polarizing
17:07political environment
17:08as both government
17:10and opposition
17:11face damning allegations
17:12of corruption
17:13Jakub Yanez
17:14takes a closer look
17:17as some of you
17:18have possibly noticed
17:20Pedro Sánchez
17:21is positioning himself
17:22as the ultimate
17:23progressive hero
17:24famously defying
17:25Donald Trump
17:26over the war in Iran
17:27esta es la verdadera tragedia
17:29porque lo último
17:31que necesitaba el mundo
17:32es otra guerra
17:33y en esta ocasión
17:34una guerra ilegal
17:36and his international
17:37popularity
17:38seems to be rising
17:39but at home
17:40the Spanish Prime Minister
17:42is fighting
17:42a completely different war
17:44a massive wave
17:45of domestic corruption
17:46scandals
17:47so what is going on there?
17:50first
17:51the Prime Minister
17:52wife
17:52Begonya Gómez
17:53is facing now trial
17:55for influence peddling
17:56and embezzlement
17:57accused of using
17:58her position
17:59to secure funding
18:00for her private
18:01university projects
18:02but to make matters worse
18:04Sanchez
18:05inner circle
18:06is collapsing
18:07last June
18:08his former senior aide
18:09Santos Cerdán
18:10was placed
18:11in a pretrial detention
18:13for alleged bribery
18:14then in November
18:15his former transport minister
18:17José Luis Apalos
18:19and top aide
18:20Caldo Garcia
18:21were placed
18:22in custody
18:23over the Caldo case
18:24alright alright
18:25but in plain English
18:27these officials
18:28allegedly
18:28took secret cash payouts
18:30for awarding
18:31lucrative government
18:32face mask contracts
18:33during the COVID pandemic
18:35so they might have been
18:36in the business
18:37of covering people's faces
18:38but if these accusations
18:40prove true
18:40they did a terrible job
18:42of covering
18:43their own tracks
18:44and naturally
18:46the opposition
18:47Partido Popular
18:48is demanding
18:48the Prime Minister
18:49resign immediately
18:50however
18:51their outrage
18:52is complicated
18:53by their own
18:54historical scandals
18:56most notably
18:57the Kitchen case
18:58now in trial
18:59where the party
19:00allegedly used
19:01state police
19:02to destroy evidence
19:03of illegal financing
19:04so how bad
19:06is the systemic rot
19:07according to
19:08Transparency International
19:09in recent years
19:10Spain has suffered
19:11a significant decline
19:13looking at the latest
19:14EU data
19:15Spain is placed
19:16firmly
19:16in the lower half
19:17of the 27 member bloc
19:19they are still doing
19:20better than Italy
19:21and Poland
19:22but they are drifting
19:23uncomfortably close
19:24to the bottom
19:24of the table
19:25where you will find
19:26Hungary and Bulgaria
19:28so it seems
19:29Sanchez might be
19:30standing up to Washington
19:31but his greatest challenge
19:33is surviving Madrid
19:39Jakob Yanis there
19:40and that brings
19:41this edition
19:42of Europe Today
19:42to an end
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