2026 One Last Call

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00:00:11It's a cold night in Evansville, Indiana. A man says he's headed out to run an errand,

00:00:21but the inside of his vehicle tells a much different story. He's got a gun,

00:00:28a police scanner, and photos of his intended target.

00:00:41It had been a normal day. I had cleaned the house and done a little bit of shopping at Target,

00:00:48and then at the neighborhood Walmart, and then I was at home cooking. I was making

00:00:56mac and cheese and thick-cut pork chops. Becky Doerr and Robbie Doerr were married. She stayed

00:01:05at home while he worked multiple jobs to provide for the family. Robbie had just arrived home after

00:01:10working a 12-hour shift at the fire department. I saw him pull up into the driveway. I didn't see

00:01:17his actual truck, just saw the headlights. Within a minute or so after that, I heard four or five pops.

00:01:28There were several 911 calls that came in. A lot were from neighbors reporting gunshots.

00:01:34I don't know what happened, but I heard a loud bangs, and then I looked out the door, and the

00:01:39people across the street said,

00:01:40call 911. I heard five shots going off consecutively. Did you see a car-leaved area?

00:01:46No, we didn't. We just heard the popping. Then Elizabeth Fox Doerr would be a 911 caller.

00:02:16Hey, for that shot fired run, they said it's a gunshot wound to the head.

00:02:23It's a shooting, so it would be a heavy police presence there.

00:02:29Is this your husband? Yes.

00:02:31I'm up at the intersection of Colorado and Oakley.

00:02:35Get the med kit! He's still got a pulse.

00:02:38Oh, gosh. He's starting compressions now. Stay with me. Stay with me. Heart's still pumping.

00:02:43As far as who did that to Robbie, all I could think was, what am I going to do without

00:02:48him?

00:02:50One person was shot and killed here tonight, and the police still looking for a suspect.

00:02:55I got a call. There had been a shooting, and so my photographer and I immediately headed there.

00:02:59There was a lot of police officers. Crime scene tape was already up. It was a very hectic scene.

00:03:04I started seeing a lot of firefighters arrive. You don't usually see that at a shooting.

00:03:09What the f***? I just realized who it is.

00:03:13Robbie! Robbie!

00:03:16Connect electrodes.

00:03:17Robbie! Robbie!

00:03:20He's done, dude.

00:03:21F***ing damn it!

00:03:22Oh, God, no.

00:03:24Oh, damn it!

00:03:26Once we found out that it was Robbie Doerr, we immediately knew this was a beloved firefighter in this community,

00:03:33that he was a leader within the department.

00:03:35He trained a lot of the rookies.

00:03:38Hey, ma'am, let's go back this way. Come on.

00:03:40Let's go back.

00:03:41I know, ma'am.

00:03:42I don't want to be rude or disrespectful, but we've got to get the fire out of here because that's

00:03:45one of theirs.

00:03:46I was kind of in a haze, like a daze.

00:03:50I was doing the motions of what I needed to do.

00:03:57I relied a lot on my oldest son.

00:04:00When I got there, I got stopped by the police, or maybe it was a fireman, I'm not sure, but

00:04:05I said I couldn't go down the street.

00:04:06I was like, what are you talking about? My parents live down here. I have to get to the house.

00:04:10And I said, my dad's just been shot.

00:04:12It's my dad.

00:04:12I understand. You're not going through this crime scene.

00:04:15Okay, well then get my mother down here.

00:04:17Her name is Elizabeth Doerr.

00:04:20She said that he died.

00:04:22Dad is dead.

00:04:23The whole house was swarming with police officers and other people that had been notified.

00:04:28It was traumatic.

00:04:31My mom had three children.

00:04:33Me, I'm the youngest.

00:04:34Then Dustin, he's the middle child.

00:04:36And Nathan, he's the oldest.

00:04:37Nathan was spam texting me, spam calling me.

00:04:40And he was like, you need to get home.

00:04:42And now Rob's been shot.

00:04:44I was like, is he okay?

00:04:45He was like, I don't know, Taylor, get home.

00:04:48Where's my mom?

00:04:50Follow me.

00:04:51Okay, let's go.

00:04:52And we walked up to the house.

00:04:54Still everything's being investigated.

00:04:56Is he alive?

00:04:58No.

00:04:59Oh my God.

00:05:00The first thing I did was I called out my mom's name and I ran over to her and we

00:05:05just started

00:05:06crying together.

00:05:14We got to look at all angles of everything.

00:05:18Where's his daughter?

00:05:19She's right there.

00:05:22The next thing I know, at 730 at night, I'm getting a call from Nathan.

00:05:25And he goes, Lindsay, his dad's gone.

00:05:28And I immediately dashed for the house.

00:05:31Is that the daughter?

00:05:36Lindsay turned into a puddle.

00:05:38I mean, how can you not?

00:05:41She was inconsolable.

00:05:43He was my best friend.

00:05:45All I could think about was I needed to be next to my dad.

00:05:48Like, my dad was alone on that concrete.

00:05:50He didn't have me.

00:05:51I needed to be with him.

00:05:53Who shot him?

00:05:55I have no idea.

00:05:56No, no, no.

00:05:57I want my dad.

00:05:59I can't let you go out there, okay?

00:06:00Why?

00:06:01You can't.

00:06:02They wouldn't even let me out there with him.

00:06:05It's definitely chaos, but it's organized chaos.

00:06:08Because everybody has a job.

00:06:10Once Robbie was pronounced deceased, the patrolmen had to protect a crime scene.

00:06:14So they had to get everybody out of the scene.

00:06:16I've already told fire very suddenly that they have to stay outside the table.

00:06:21When you're dealing with somebody that's a victim of a crime, at the worst, a homicide,

00:06:25like in this situation, you say, okay, this is what it is.

00:06:28You know, we can't change that.

00:06:30We have to put that out of our minds and just treat it like any other investigation

00:06:34and start doing what we do.

00:06:37We found no shell casings.

00:06:39I don't want to say I'm very, very little.

00:06:44The image that stays with me about that night, several fire trucks are lined up and start

00:06:50a procession into town.

00:06:52Later find out that they were escorting Robbie's body to the coroner's office.

00:06:59When little boys dream of or talk about their hero, sometimes they say Spider-Man.

00:07:07Mine was a true hero.

00:07:09He was a fireman.

00:07:10He was my dad.

00:07:12He said he doesn't have any enemies.

00:07:14He doesn't have enemies.

00:07:15He's a fighter fighter.

00:07:17Did Robbie have any enemies?

00:07:18He had at least one.

00:07:31Are you going to take that down at the stop sign?

00:07:33Well, I feel like we need to set a car up on this side.

00:07:36Okay.

00:07:36I've got like six rolls in my car if you need them.

00:07:39Oh, God, no.

00:07:42Oh, God, no.

00:07:45Oh, God, no.

00:07:48No.

00:07:49Oh, God, please, no.

00:07:52No.

00:07:53We're going to walk around the back.

00:07:55They've got some crime scene tape up that we can't go through right now.

00:07:58Once Robbie was pronounced deceased, the detectives that are arriving knew that they had to start

00:08:03talking to people.

00:08:04So the canvas began immediately knocking on neighbors' doors.

00:08:10Hi.

00:08:12Did you guys happen to see what happened out here earlier?

00:08:14Sure did.

00:08:15We're just sitting here watching the TV and it's hurting noise.

00:08:20Will you guys do me a favor and stay inside until we clear out?

00:08:24Everybody was working for one goal, to figure out what happened to Robbie.

00:08:29Did anybody hear or see anything?

00:08:31All of us were here.

00:08:33We heard the shots, but we didn't see the vehicle.

00:08:36We knew something funny had happened.

00:08:37I was in that, see that camper over there?

00:08:40I was in the garage and I heard five shots go off.

00:08:43And I, it's good out of me.

00:08:46I thought it was right outside my door.

00:08:48So you were in the garage and heard five shots?

00:08:50Yep.

00:08:52Did you hear anything prior to that?

00:08:54No, I sure didn't.

00:08:55See anything suspicious afterward?

00:08:58No, I mean, it scared me so much.

00:09:00I turned all my lights off.

00:09:01I didn't know if somebody was going around shooting or something.

00:09:05The initial assessment, like moments after the shooting, we were, we didn't have a clue

00:09:10what happened.

00:09:14The detectives are still working on it, okay?

00:09:16I say, I don't have a whole lot of information I can give you right now.

00:09:19Well, someone must have drove down the street, perhaps maybe had an issue on the road with

00:09:25Robbie on his way home from work and shot at him.

00:09:30I call it an execution.

00:09:31We checked to see maybe if it was a carjacking and then we could see with the video that the

00:09:36detectives located that, you know, we ruled out a carjacking.

00:09:43How could this have happened?

00:09:44Wrong person, wrong time, wrong place, ran the whole gambit of everything.

00:09:49And for him to be taken out of this world in such a way that it's mind-boggling.

00:09:59Robbie Dorff was invincible in Engine 1.

00:10:02He was in it.

00:10:03He loved the fire department, the just getting out there and helping people.

00:10:07For nearly three decades, this beloved firefighter worked for everyone but himself.

00:10:12Today is the first day in all those years they've worked without him.

00:10:16I'm sure you've seen the shot we have of Robbie that's really old of him when he had

00:10:19rescued a child from a burning building.

00:10:23I got this video that's maybe being clucked on a ladder right now.

00:10:25He's a hero.

00:10:3028 years he was on the force.

00:10:33Like, that's a lifetime.

00:10:35I mean, his dad was a fireman.

00:10:38So it's like a family tradition.

00:10:43Firefighters typically have second jobs.

00:10:45He was a manager at Taco John's.

00:10:47He was doing that to just make extra money.

00:10:50I quit my job to go be a general manager at Taco John's.

00:10:55And that's how I met Rob.

00:10:57I think the first thing he ever said to me was,

00:11:00Hey, pretty lady.

00:11:02I miss that.

00:11:04He had always loved my mom.

00:11:07I do remember Robbie coming to me saying,

00:11:11Would it be okay if I went on a date with your mom?

00:11:13I know I've just kind of been a friend,

00:11:15but I want to be more than a friend.

00:11:17And I was like, that's completely okay with me.

00:11:19And he was elated.

00:11:21You could see him skipping through my store.

00:11:26Oh, I knew he loved Becky.

00:11:28There was no doubt in my mind.

00:11:30He was 110% in.

00:11:34Our wedding was in Panama City Beach, Florida.

00:11:38Actually, it had rained every day when we first got there.

00:11:43And as soon as I started to walk down the sand, it stopped raining.

00:11:47So it was very, very pretty.

00:11:54I was over the moon to have Robert as my dad.

00:11:58He stepped in to be a parent.

00:12:00My hero became my dad.

00:12:01Finally, I have this hero that I can call my dad.

00:12:05They were married for about six months.

00:12:07So very quick relationship, marriage, death.

00:12:12Before Rob and I were married, I had been married five times.

00:12:18I think that she wanted to have that picture-perfect life, the husband, the children, but just couldn't find it.

00:12:29Rob was going to be the person that gave my mom a consistent life because my mom was born into

00:12:34adversity.

00:12:35Then she was put into a foster home that didn't have adequate resources to take care of her.

00:12:39She never really had a break until she was ultimately adopted.

00:12:43I was four.

00:12:44My sister Mandy was two.

00:12:47My bond with Mandy, we were the two troublemakers of the house.

00:12:53What was it like growing up with Becky?

00:12:55She was my big sister.

00:12:56She was a good sister.

00:12:59We played, we traded stickers, we jumped on the trampoline.

00:13:03Wham!

00:13:05Not in trouble.

00:13:07She was the sister that comforted me.

00:13:11For 47 years, she was everything good and pure and wonderful.

00:13:18My mom was trying to be like Jude Cleaver.

00:13:22Perfect stay-at-home wife.

00:13:23But my mom and Robby, their relationship, it had problems.

00:13:30He started to question things.

00:13:31It seemed normal to you.

00:13:32It seemed good.

00:13:33It was fine until it wasn't.

00:13:47Oh yeah, Robby and I were best friends for 34 years.

00:13:52And thick, thin didn't make any difference.

00:13:54We were always there for each other.

00:13:56We've made a lot of runs together, several fires.

00:14:02Robby gave 110% on every run he ever made.

00:14:05Door was shot to death outside his Oakley Street home last week.

00:14:10The investigation into his murder continues.

00:14:15Shortly after the murder, police began searching Robby's home.

00:14:19In the home, they find something of interest there.

00:14:25It was a note from Robby written to Elizabeth.

00:14:28And it talked about there being some problems in the marriage.

00:14:32Perhaps someone else that Elizabeth had been talking to, alleged infidelity.

00:14:42My dad seemed very happy at first.

00:14:45But then things, he started to question things.

00:14:48He started to feel insecure.

00:14:50He started to think she was cheating on him.

00:14:52He was like, she always deletes her text messages.

00:14:55Like, she never lets me see her phone.

00:14:57Robby had trust issues when it came to that because it had happened to him previously.

00:15:04I tried to make him feel reassured.

00:15:09I would tell him every time somebody would call me.

00:15:12There were times that my oldest son would call me and he couldn't believe,

00:15:17oh, you're on the phone with him again.

00:15:20He just didn't understand.

00:15:25My mother did confide to me about their relationship.

00:15:30Sometimes a little too much.

00:15:31With too much information, but on that same aspect, so did dad.

00:15:35Dad asked me to be his confidant.

00:15:39The financial aspect of things created some strain,

00:15:43created some problems between the two of them.

00:15:45As soon as they got home from Florida, she had a brand new car.

00:15:48And then they got a brand new sectional.

00:15:51They had to buy a washer.

00:15:52He had a credit card out at Home Depot.

00:15:55He had a credit card out on the ring.

00:15:58He was borrowed as far as he could borrow.

00:16:01Money got real tight.

00:16:02She wasn't working.

00:16:03He was.

00:16:05Our biggest disagreement was he wanted me to quit working

00:16:08because when he's off, that was our time to be together.

00:16:11And that's what he wanted.

00:16:13And I wanted to work.

00:16:15But as far as major trouble brewing, no.

00:16:20We were still learning each other.

00:16:24You think Robbie was trying to make Becky's life better?

00:16:27I do.

00:16:28I do.

00:16:33Rob wanted my relationship with my sister Mandy to be stronger.

00:16:39So that was what we were trying to do by getting together with them.

00:16:44When we started going out with them, I was kind of excited about it.

00:16:47I would be off with Mandy, and he would be off with Larry.

00:16:53How did you meet your fiancee, Larry Richmond?

00:16:57I met him at work.

00:16:58I was working at the Dollar General.

00:17:00He made sure his hand touched mine.

00:17:02And I thought, golly, this one's bold.

00:17:04So we just, we started talking.

00:17:06And a couple months later, he called one night and said,

00:17:10do you want me to bring my stuff to your house?

00:17:13We were together from that time on.

00:17:16He pulled up in his car with all of his clothes and said he was moving in.

00:17:23And she was thrilled beans about it.

00:17:26He was very, very tall.

00:17:27I think he was six foot something.

00:17:29He has a nice smile.

00:17:30I will say that he was the most handsome out of the men that I've seen her date.

00:17:36Larry was always really gentle with my mom.

00:17:38Like, he was always, like, getting her things.

00:17:40Like, he was always doing things for her.

00:17:43I don't think I've ever seen her happier.

00:17:45I just, just always felt loved.

00:17:50I came home one day, and he had gone to the Goodwill

00:17:52and just laid out a bunch of dresses on the bed.

00:17:56I was like, oh, you know, he didn't even know what size I wore.

00:17:59But he was able to pick up everything fit.

00:18:02I felt fancy.

00:18:05He was really close to his family.

00:18:07Larry Richmond, Sr. is very proud of his son, Larry Richmond, Jr.

00:18:10They were two peas in a pod.

00:18:13So you bring him to Thanksgiving, introduce him to your family,

00:18:17but you don't tell him about his past.

00:18:21No.

00:18:21Why not?

00:18:23It felt like a mean thing to do to him.

00:18:26That's not how I wanted everybody to see him.

00:18:29That's not who he was to me.

00:18:30That's not who he was trying to be.

00:18:33Larry had his history.

00:18:34He told me when he was 17 years old,

00:18:36he accidentally killed a man and did 20 years for it.

00:18:40Well, he actually pled guilty to knowingly killing a person.

00:18:45How did he explain it?

00:18:46He said he was trying to get the guy to show him his ID

00:18:54because he believed that the guy had done something inappropriate

00:18:58to one of his friend's brothers.

00:19:00And he said that in the process of trying to see the guy's ID,

00:19:04the gun went off.

00:19:07At first, I was like, oh, that's not great.

00:19:09But then slowly, like, I mean, my mom convinced us.

00:19:13She was like, he's a changed man.

00:19:14It was an accident.

00:19:15You know, he's a great guy, which he was from our perspective.

00:19:18He was a great guy.

00:19:20So, yeah, after a while, I just kind of, like,

00:19:23pushed it to the side, I guess.

00:19:30Does Mandy fall in love easy?

00:19:32I would probably say, yeah, she falls in love very easily.

00:19:35I do, too.

00:19:36My mom's life had just turned around that it was going to be,

00:19:39you know, wonderful, things are great.

00:19:41And then all of a sudden, your world comes crashing down.

00:19:45The Evansville Police Department have not identified any suspects.

00:19:48As far as the list of people that want to hurt Robbie Dorr,

00:19:50we couldn't find a single one.

00:19:54It's not until we're at the autopsy

00:19:56when we discover something odd.

00:19:59That is a whole heck of a lot of coincidences.

00:20:19This has been one of the biggest stories I've covered in my career.

00:20:25Anytime a first responder is hurt, let alone murdered,

00:20:29I mean, that is a big deal, especially here in the Evansville area.

00:20:32We regard our first responders very highly around here.

00:20:38And this, from the very beginning,

00:20:40the community was invested in this story.

00:20:46So that night, on Oakley, we did not find any shell casings.

00:20:49We found, in the road, a fired projectile that had damage to it.

00:20:55That's not a casing. That's an actual round.

00:20:57That's a round, yeah.

00:20:58It's not until the next day when we discover something odd.

00:21:03It really started with the autopsy.

00:21:06Had a great forensic pathologist that did the autopsy.

00:21:09When they pulled ammunition from Robbie's body, there was a mixture.

00:21:15There were jacketed projectiles, there was ball projectiles,

00:21:20and there was plastic wadding.

00:21:22One of our firearms experts said,

00:21:25well, you're probably looking at a horse judge

00:21:27that fires different types of ammunition in one gun.

00:21:33You could shoot a projectile, or you could shoot a shotgun shell,

00:21:38and it all came from the same firearm.

00:21:40A Taurus judge was referred to us as a hand cannon.

00:21:45Robbie was shot with a very unique gun.

00:21:47That kind of got us off and running, really.

00:21:52Okay, you basically start a war room.

00:21:54You have a big whiteboard,

00:21:56and you put your victim in the middle of that.

00:21:58And then you put a picture of his wife

00:22:00and draw an arrow next to her.

00:22:02Victim's wife.

00:22:03Child.

00:22:04Best friend.

00:22:05And then you just start building that out.

00:22:08And then you want to look at that board the most and say,

00:22:11okay, who started on the outside,

00:22:13but is maybe moving more towards your victim.

00:22:16We discovered that a Taurus judge was stolen,

00:22:20actively stolen,

00:22:21from a pawn shop nearby called River City Pawn Shop.

00:22:27This company, River City Pawn,

00:22:28played a pretty big role in this investigation

00:22:30because Larry Richmond, Jr. worked in there

00:22:33and had access to many firearms.

00:22:36He's a young man with no criminal record.

00:22:38So we go back, printed out Larry Richmond, Jr.,

00:22:40put him on our whiteboard.

00:22:42We came across a picture that had a Taurus judge in his lap,

00:22:46and he just sent it to other friends,

00:22:49just showing off the gun that he stole in September of 2018.

00:22:56The connection with Larry Richmond, Sr.

00:23:00was that he had a direct connection with Jr.

00:23:04When we put Larry, Sr. in the system,

00:23:06Detective McCormick ran a criminal history on him

00:23:08and found out, oh my gosh, he's on probation for murder.

00:23:12I know what's supposed to make me scared of him.

00:23:14I know it's supposed to make me hate him.

00:23:16I know what it's supposed to do.

00:23:19But it doesn't.

00:23:21He was never scary to me.

00:23:24He was my protector.

00:23:26Mandy was in the middle.

00:23:28She was in a romantic relationship,

00:23:30living together with Larry Richmond, Sr.

00:23:34And she was the sister of Elizabeth Foxdor.

00:23:38And they all lived relatively close to one another.

00:23:47Well, Mandy is my sister.

00:23:49She is three years younger than me.

00:23:52Her personality is she's very outgoing.

00:23:56She is, I don't mean it disrespectful,

00:23:59but she's, she's ditzy.

00:24:01Very ditzy.

00:24:03Very, you know, I don't think a whole lot bothers her.

00:24:07She's a good person.

00:24:12The funeral was, was massive.

00:24:20There were fire stations from all around

00:24:23who came to pay their respect.

00:24:25There was such a community interest

00:24:27that we even live streamed the funeral on our website

00:24:29for people to watch

00:24:31because not everybody even could get in.

00:24:35The funeral was hard.

00:24:39I will never forget the bells.

00:24:43I will never forget

00:24:45all of the speeches that were said.

00:24:48This legacy of integrity

00:24:49is what the foundation of the fire department's put upon.

00:24:52I can't listen to backpipes anymore.

00:24:54I can't.

00:24:55I just can't listen to them.

00:24:57And then the moment that they handed me his helmet,

00:25:01I lost it.

00:25:03I cried a lot through it.

00:25:05All I could think was,

00:25:07I shouldn't be doing this.

00:25:11I shouldn't have to go through this right now.

00:25:15I've seen a few times when, you know,

00:25:17a firefighter or a police officer passes,

00:25:20they get the fire truck out

00:25:21and they get the American flag.

00:25:23And so we went under that.

00:25:26I mean, it was a beautiful ceremony.

00:25:28It really was.

00:25:29Resty's a brother.

00:25:30We'll take it from here.

00:25:37We knew as soon as the funeral was over,

00:25:40it was time to get this investigation going.

00:25:44And the decision was made collectively

00:25:47to bring in several folks.

00:25:54Things took a massive turn.

00:25:56And, um, there's cops everywhere.

00:26:00Dogs barking and...

00:26:04It was awful.

00:26:10You had Mandy was in a room,

00:26:12Larry Richmond Jr.,

00:26:14Larry Richmond Sr.,

00:26:15and then we had, uh,

00:26:16Elizabeth Fox Door.

00:26:19I thought he was cheating on me.

00:26:21Okay.

00:26:22I can tell you was.

00:26:24When we looked at the situation that we had there,

00:26:26I did make the comment at one time,

00:26:29this show is almost geared for Jerry Springer.

00:26:57We decided to pull over Larry and Mandy

00:27:00as soon as the funeral was over.

00:27:02What's going on here, man?

00:27:03I'll tell you a little bit.

00:27:05You got weapons or anything?

00:27:06I don't.

00:27:06Any knives or anything?

00:27:07I don't.

00:27:07Okay.

00:27:09What's your name, sir?

00:27:10Larry.

00:27:10What's that?

00:27:11Larry.

00:27:11Larry what?

00:27:12Okay.

00:27:13I think I just went completely numb.

00:27:16Like, what is happening?

00:27:22All right.

00:27:22Very custody.

00:27:25I personally was assigned

00:27:26to Larry Richmond Sr.

00:27:29Well, Larry,

00:27:30why don't we got everybody?

00:27:31It's not just you down here.

00:27:34Obviously,

00:27:34we're looking into the Robert Doar situation.

00:27:37He was gunned down in his driveway.

00:27:40What's that got to do with me?

00:27:41Well,

00:27:42it has to do with everybody in the family.

00:27:45We just want to,

00:27:46we're trying to get everybody in here

00:27:47and trying to see if there's just anything

00:27:50that can help us with this investigation.

00:27:52So,

00:27:53do you wish to talk to me

00:27:54about a lawyer present?

00:27:55I have no problem answering any of your questions.

00:27:57I will cooperate fully.

00:27:59Okay.

00:27:59Due to my past,

00:28:00I have been incarcerated.

00:28:02Sure.

00:28:02I am on probation.

00:28:03I don't need any problems.

00:28:05Sure.

00:28:05No,

00:28:05I understand.

00:28:06If I'm not under arrest,

00:28:07please get a hold of him.

00:28:08I will come back down here

00:28:09and fully cooperate.

00:28:11No problems at all.

00:28:13All we're trying to do is find out

00:28:16if you guys know anything

00:28:17that could help us find this killer.

00:28:18I don't know nothing.

00:28:20We go out with him.

00:28:22We go out and drink.

00:28:24Outside of that there,

00:28:25I don't know nothing.

00:28:27They brought us down there

00:28:30and immediately I realized

00:28:32it's like I am awful close

00:28:34to whatever the crap is happening.

00:28:44What?

00:28:45What?

00:28:46We're going to explain it.

00:28:46We'll get to all that.

00:28:47No, it'll be okay.

00:28:49Whatever you're,

00:28:50whatever's going on in your mind,

00:28:51I can guarantee you

00:28:52it's not a,

00:28:53it's nothing.

00:28:54It's not a big deal at all.

00:28:56Okay?

00:28:56Yep.

00:28:59Where were you at

00:29:00when Robbie was murdered?

00:29:03Do you remember?

00:29:11when I don't know exactly

00:29:14when it was,

00:29:15can you tell me when it was?

00:29:16It was last Tuesday,

00:29:21around 7 o'clock.

00:29:24You're home?

00:29:25We go along.

00:29:26Kids there.

00:29:27Was Larry there?

00:29:29Yeah,

00:29:30we were all there.

00:29:32Investigators asked her

00:29:33where Larry was at

00:29:34the night of the murder.

00:29:36She reported that he

00:29:38was with her

00:29:38the entire night.

00:29:40Hey, Mandy.

00:29:41Do you know something

00:29:42that we don't?

00:29:46I feel them

00:29:46in the twilight room.

00:29:49This is what you watch on TV.

00:29:53This is,

00:29:54this,

00:29:54you watch this happen

00:29:55to people on TV,

00:29:56not to your family.

00:29:58I think Mandy really

00:30:00believes in this man

00:30:01and believes that

00:30:02he can better himself.

00:30:08It's sometimes our benefit

00:30:09to grab all individuals

00:30:12that are involved in a case

00:30:13at the same time.

00:30:15Agent Bill Gray

00:30:16picked up Claire Richmond Jr.

00:30:18up from the pawn shop

00:30:19when he got off work

00:30:20that night

00:30:20and brought him downtown.

00:30:22I had some questions

00:30:23for Larry Jr.

00:30:24as far as stealing the firearm

00:30:25and giving it to his dad.

00:30:27We have two more people

00:30:28down here now

00:30:29involved in this case.

00:30:32And one is your dad.

00:30:34Okay.

00:30:35And things aren't

00:30:36looking so good here.

00:30:37Okay.

00:30:38What do you know

00:30:39about this guy?

00:30:41It came up missing

00:30:44the day of

00:30:45or a couple of days

00:30:46before I started

00:30:47at the pawn shop.

00:30:49That's not true.

00:30:53I've talked to

00:30:54the regional manager,

00:30:54I've talked to

00:30:55the ATF guys.

00:30:55That's not exactly

00:30:56the way it's calling them.

00:30:57The gun came up missing

00:30:58while you were an employee.

00:30:59Yeah.

00:31:00While, yeah.

00:31:02I was sitting

00:31:03in the pawn shop

00:31:06and then somebody

00:31:07came up

00:31:08and

00:31:10said there was

00:31:11a gun outside.

00:31:12And then

00:31:13we called it in.

00:31:15Larry Richmond Jr.,

00:31:17he lies

00:31:18that he didn't know

00:31:19about the gun.

00:31:20He didn't steal the gun.

00:31:21I have some bad news

00:31:22for you, son.

00:31:23I think you're heading

00:31:24down the same path

00:31:25their dad's head.

00:31:26I don't think things

00:31:27are going to work out

00:31:28too well here.

00:31:29So, just hang tight

00:31:30a couple minutes.

00:31:35To my knowledge,

00:31:36I don't believe

00:31:37that Elizabeth knew

00:31:38that the others

00:31:39were in custody.

00:31:40After the funeral

00:31:41was over,

00:31:42Detective Keene

00:31:42and Detective Hands

00:31:44came and asked me.

00:31:46They said that

00:31:46they had a phone of mine

00:31:48and they had the key

00:31:50to my house.

00:31:51They would like to

00:31:52ask a few more questions.

00:31:54Detective Keene

00:31:55ran the first whole

00:31:55part of the interview

00:31:56going back over

00:31:57what they talked

00:31:57about that night,

00:31:58confirming everything

00:31:59she said.

00:32:00Okay.

00:32:01So you get home

00:32:02in the four pork chops

00:32:03and get those ready.

00:32:04They actually,

00:32:05I just had the oven

00:32:06preheating

00:32:07and I was getting

00:32:09ready to,

00:32:11you know,

00:32:12get the mac and cheese.

00:32:14I was getting

00:32:15out of the cabinet

00:32:16and I saw

00:32:16the truck lights

00:32:17come into the driveway

00:32:18and then I heard

00:32:20these popping noises.

00:32:22Then I looked

00:32:23out the door,

00:32:24I saw Rob

00:32:24at the end

00:32:25of the driveway,

00:32:26shoved the dog

00:32:26back,

00:32:27closed the door

00:32:28and went running

00:32:28down the driveway.

00:32:30We felt that

00:32:31she was hiding something.

00:32:32And then when I,

00:32:33I showed her

00:32:34the raw data

00:32:35from her phone download.

00:32:36Do we know

00:32:37who this number

00:32:37is right here?

00:32:40I don't

00:32:42recognize it.

00:32:43They,

00:32:43they were showing

00:32:44me phone numbers

00:32:45but there was

00:32:47no name

00:32:47to a phone number

00:32:48and I kept

00:32:49telling them

00:32:49I don't know

00:32:50that phone number.

00:32:52Leading up

00:32:53to Elizabeth's

00:32:54interview,

00:32:54we had gathered

00:32:55cell phone records,

00:32:56actual cell phone

00:32:57device records

00:32:58and we knew

00:33:00there was a deleted

00:33:01phone call

00:33:01right before

00:33:02the 911 call.

00:33:04But you can't

00:33:05delete it off

00:33:05the company records

00:33:06and this is

00:33:07the company records.

00:33:08This is straight

00:33:08from Sprint.

00:33:09I understand that.

00:33:10Okay.

00:33:11I don't recall

00:33:12talking to someone

00:33:13like five minutes

00:33:14before Rob

00:33:15was killed.

00:33:16I knew that

00:33:16was a lie.

00:33:18So then you just

00:33:19kind of go,

00:33:20okay,

00:33:20why is she lying

00:33:21then?

00:33:21I've been honest

00:33:22with you from

00:33:22the get-go.

00:33:23That's all I ask

00:33:24of you is your

00:33:24honesty.

00:33:25I understand that.

00:33:26I don't recall

00:33:27talking to someone

00:33:28like five minutes

00:33:29before Rob

00:33:30was killed.

00:33:31I don't.

00:33:32You were able

00:33:33to tell us

00:33:33down to the sense

00:33:34how much you paid

00:33:35for your pork chops

00:33:36earlier that day

00:33:37at Walmart

00:33:37but you can't remember

00:33:38who you had a phone

00:33:39call with just prior

00:33:40to your husband

00:33:40getting executed

00:33:41in your driveway

00:33:42just didn't ring

00:33:43right to me at all.

00:33:44Let me finish.

00:33:45Cannot change

00:33:45what happened

00:33:46but you can change

00:33:47it from how it goes

00:33:48on here now

00:33:49by telling the truth.

00:33:52Do you understand

00:33:53what I'm saying?

00:33:54I do.

00:33:55Okay.

00:33:55So take a deep breath

00:33:56and tell us

00:33:57who you talked to

00:33:58five minutes

00:33:59before your husband

00:34:00was killed

00:34:01in your driveway

00:34:01getting out of his truck

00:34:03in the back of the head.

00:34:06We're asking questions

00:34:07because we know

00:34:08the answers to Becky.

00:34:19This is the Evansville

00:34:20Police Department

00:34:22Adult Interview Suite.

00:34:23We have four interview rooms

00:34:25available to us.

00:34:27Throughout our time

00:34:28interviewing these subjects

00:34:30we were determined

00:34:31that we were being lied to.

00:34:32There were inconsistencies

00:34:33in stories

00:34:34and it took a good long while

00:34:35to start getting things

00:34:36sorted out

00:34:37where we had a good idea

00:34:39of what was happening.

00:34:41When you're in the interview room

00:34:42and they're lying

00:34:42you try to never

00:34:43take police work personal.

00:34:45I honestly did not

00:34:46recognize the phone number.

00:34:48Okay.

00:34:48You just have to keep

00:34:49confronting them

00:34:50with the facts

00:34:51and you just slowly

00:34:52work through the case.

00:34:53Just let it out.

00:34:54Just tell us the truth.

00:34:56Did you orchestrate it?

00:34:57Then what happened?

00:34:58What's your...

00:34:58Okay.

00:34:58Then you didn't orchestrate it?

00:34:59I didn't know

00:34:59what was going to happen.

00:35:00Tell us the truth.

00:35:00And the questioning was

00:35:02had you ever deleted

00:35:03anything off of your phone?

00:35:05And when she says no

00:35:06on the information

00:35:08I had in my file holder

00:35:09at the time

00:35:09I knew that was a lie.

00:35:11Nothing in that conversation

00:35:12had anything to do

00:35:13with hurting anybody.

00:35:15Why delete it then?

00:35:16Because I typically delete...

00:35:18I deleted the phone call.

00:35:20I delete my phone calls

00:35:22every time

00:35:23I get off the phone

00:35:25with somebody

00:35:25unless I talk

00:35:27to you regularly.

00:35:28She deletes

00:35:29absolutely everything

00:35:30and I know for a fact

00:35:31if I were to send her

00:35:32you know

00:35:32I love you mom

00:35:33she would keep that

00:35:34and she would delete

00:35:35everything else.

00:35:36She will send a text message

00:35:37and then she will delete it.

00:35:38I don't know why.

00:35:40If you look at the timeline

00:35:42of the deleted phone call

00:35:43just minutes before

00:35:44Robbie's killed

00:35:45and the 911 calls made

00:35:47so that's a big deal.

00:35:49So who did you talk to

00:35:50five minutes

00:35:51before your husband

00:35:52was gunned down

00:35:53in the driveway?

00:35:54Becky, we know the answer.

00:35:56So you can let us

00:35:57do the talking for you

00:35:58or you can do

00:35:59the talking for yourself

00:36:00and please tell the truth.

00:36:02So who was it?

00:36:03My sister's fiance.

00:36:05Elizabeth had deleted

00:36:07all of Larry Richmond Sr.'s

00:36:09phone calls

00:36:10in her phone.

00:36:11You knew.

00:36:12Not only did you know

00:36:13you talked to him that night

00:36:14you knew you deleted it

00:36:16and then you knew

00:36:16I was going to ask you

00:36:17about it

00:36:18when we came back in here.

00:36:19It's human behavior

00:36:20to try to protect yourself

00:36:22for like

00:36:22oh my gosh

00:36:23I'm into this

00:36:23how am I going to get out of it

00:36:24maybe if I just stick

00:36:25with these lies.

00:36:26I didn't want you

00:36:27to think that I was

00:36:27having an affair with him

00:36:29because I have not

00:36:30had an affair.

00:36:31The way the interview

00:36:32went with Becky Fox-Door

00:36:33was it a perfect interview?

00:36:35No, because we didn't

00:36:36get her to truly confess.

00:36:37I think it was

00:36:38the next best thing.

00:36:39I didn't want to say

00:36:39that I had talked to him

00:36:40because that makes it

00:36:42makes it look like

00:36:43I did it.

00:36:44She was denying

00:36:45the phone call

00:36:46admitted she denied

00:36:47she knew she deleted

00:36:48the phone call

00:36:49she hid it from us.

00:36:50Stand up for me.

00:36:54New developments

00:36:55tonight in the murder

00:36:56of a firefighter

00:36:57in Indiana.

00:36:58Robbie Doors' wife

00:36:59tonight is in jail

00:37:00for deleting a phone call

00:37:02she allegedly received

00:37:03before calling 911.

00:37:06That moment was

00:37:10a moment of

00:37:12could she?

00:37:14Would she?

00:37:15Why would she?

00:37:16It was a whole

00:37:17gambit of emotion.

00:37:19Elizabeth was

00:37:21originally charged

00:37:22with the obstruction

00:37:22of justice.

00:37:24She soon

00:37:25was out on bond.

00:37:32Larry Jr.

00:37:33What's up, dude?

00:37:35Larry Jr.

00:37:36was walking

00:37:36a fine line

00:37:37between going

00:37:38to prison

00:37:39for a very long time

00:37:40and not.

00:37:42And it wasn't

00:37:43until much later

00:37:44in the same evening

00:37:45that he knocked

00:37:45on the door

00:37:46and said,

00:37:46hey, I need to

00:37:47talk to investigators

00:37:48again because

00:37:49I need to tell

00:37:50them something.

00:37:50He tells investigators,

00:37:53my dad has guns

00:37:54at Mandy's house.

00:37:55My dad said

00:37:56if anything was

00:37:57to go down,

00:37:58he would bury

00:37:59the gun.

00:37:59It is said

00:38:00that Larry Richmond,

00:38:01Sr. had buried

00:38:02a tote full of guns

00:38:04in the backyard

00:38:05of Mandy's house

00:38:06where he was living

00:38:07at the time.

00:38:08He's even caught

00:38:09on video doing this.

00:38:12The detectives

00:38:13came across

00:38:14a surveillance system

00:38:15from the house

00:38:15just directly

00:38:16to Mandy's,

00:38:18Larry's fiancee's house.

00:38:20It shows Larry

00:38:21coming out

00:38:22of the house

00:38:22in the evening

00:38:23with his box

00:38:25under his arm

00:38:25and grabbing

00:38:26some type of utensil

00:38:28and going behind

00:38:29the garage

00:38:30and then coming back

00:38:31empty-handed.

00:38:35One morning,

00:38:36I wake up,

00:38:37I'm sitting

00:38:38in the living room

00:38:38and all of a sudden

00:38:39there are police cars

00:38:42everywhere.

00:38:43That whole block,

00:38:44this whole block

00:38:45of Sheffield

00:38:46was full

00:38:47of police cars

00:38:48and I'm like,

00:38:49get up here,

00:38:50see what's going on.

00:38:53And they searched

00:38:54the whole grounds

00:38:55and when they got

00:38:56to that fire pit,

00:38:57they started digging

00:38:58and they almost dug

00:39:00every square inch

00:39:02back here.

00:39:03I mean,

00:39:03they dug everywhere.

00:39:04I'm over the fence

00:39:05and I said,

00:39:06what's going on?

00:39:07He says,

00:39:08well,

00:39:09we're hunting for stuff

00:39:10and then I saw

00:39:11some guns

00:39:12in the other policeman's

00:39:13hand.

00:39:14I said,

00:39:15oh,

00:39:15that's what you're

00:39:16looking for.

00:39:17And he goes,

00:39:18yeah,

00:39:19we found several

00:39:20where the fire pit was.

00:39:22That box was taken

00:39:24to headquarters

00:39:24and you could have

00:39:25heard a pin drop.

00:39:26They did it right.

00:39:27Our crime scene detective

00:39:28came in and then slowly

00:39:29started processing

00:39:30that box

00:39:31and we're all like,

00:39:32please take out

00:39:32a tourist judge

00:39:33or tourist judge ammunition.

00:39:36I remember being

00:39:37in the newsroom

00:39:38that day

00:39:38and hearing

00:39:39on the scanner

00:39:39that police

00:39:40were at the home

00:39:41and they had found

00:39:42some guns

00:39:43but not the murder weapon.

00:39:45The murder weapon

00:39:46and Robbie Doerr's murder

00:39:47has never been found.

00:39:51So at this point,

00:39:52police still do not

00:39:53have a murder weapon.

00:39:54They have not named

00:39:55a suspect.

00:39:56So we're wondering,

00:39:56what is their next step?

00:39:59I found something

00:40:00that raised

00:40:01the pinnacle

00:40:02of all flags.

00:40:03I mean,

00:40:03I can't even call it

00:40:04a red flag.

00:40:04It's like the sirens

00:40:05going off.

00:40:06There was a handwritten

00:40:07message that said

00:40:09we need to talk.

00:40:26He was my best friend.

00:40:28He was the person

00:40:29I called

00:40:29when I was having

00:40:30a bad day.

00:40:31He was the person

00:40:31I called

00:40:32if I had a flat tire

00:40:33on the side of the road,

00:40:34if I just needed to talk.

00:40:36It was him.

00:40:38When my dad passed away,

00:40:40we were not in a great place.

00:40:42Me not liking Becky

00:40:43put a very big strain

00:40:44on our relationship.

00:40:46I wish he would have saw it.

00:40:48I wish he would have

00:40:49listened to me

00:40:49when he said

00:40:50it was going too fast.

00:40:52It's

00:40:55a lot of I wish.

00:40:59When my mother was arrested,

00:41:00I was like,

00:41:00no, they have the wrong person.

00:41:02This can't be.

00:41:02This is the woman

00:41:03who's helped to raise me.

00:41:06No one ever thinks

00:41:07of their parent

00:41:07to be that person.

00:41:12The puzzle pieces

00:41:13kind of started

00:41:14to fall into place

00:41:15after the funeral.

00:41:16I was going through

00:41:17the condolence cards

00:41:18and I came across one

00:41:20that was from

00:41:21my Aunt Mandy.

00:41:22I didn't quite know

00:41:23what to think of it

00:41:24at first,

00:41:25but it was that

00:41:27guttural instinct

00:41:28that said,

00:41:29this is not right.

00:41:30Like I said,

00:41:31my name is Anthony.

00:41:34I'm detective.

00:41:34I didn't have

00:41:35anyone to get a hold of

00:41:36except for

00:41:37one detective.

00:41:39I was going through

00:41:40condolence cards.

00:41:42Okay.

00:41:42And I found a card

00:41:43from Larry Richmond

00:41:45and my Aunt Amanda

00:41:47and there was

00:41:48a little slip of paper,

00:41:49like notebook paper

00:41:50that said,

00:41:51we need to talk

00:41:51with his phone number

00:41:53and Larry.

00:41:55It looks like

00:41:55he had written it

00:41:56on the corner

00:41:56of like a notebook

00:41:57piece of paper

00:41:58and ripped it out.

00:41:59So this is kind

00:42:00of the last second?

00:42:00The last second thing.

00:42:02It wasn't written

00:42:02in the card.

00:42:02I think it was put in

00:42:03after like Mandy

00:42:05and him signed it

00:42:07because he's the one

00:42:08that presented it

00:42:09to my mother.

00:42:09He held,

00:42:10he gripped that thing

00:42:11all the way up

00:42:12until it passed

00:42:12into my mother's hand.

00:42:13I don't know why

00:42:14he was trying

00:42:15to reach out that way.

00:42:16It doesn't make sense

00:42:17to me.

00:42:18He was standing

00:42:19right there

00:42:20when he handed it

00:42:21to us,

00:42:22so he could have

00:42:24just said

00:42:25what he needed

00:42:25to say right then.

00:42:26Okay.

00:42:27I'll be back

00:42:27and just sit down.

00:42:28Okay.

00:42:30That day,

00:42:31they asked me

00:42:31if I do.

00:42:32that he had

00:42:33had criminal history

00:42:34and I said no

00:42:34and they told me

00:42:35everything that he

00:42:36had done.

00:42:37That's kind of odd

00:42:38that we have a murder,

00:42:4020-year sentence,

00:42:41he's out for a year

00:42:42and a half

00:42:43and then another murder

00:42:44happens.

00:42:45Nobody knew

00:42:45that he had

00:42:46a criminal past

00:42:47at Thanksgiving.

00:42:49My Aunt Mandy

00:42:50brought a convicted felon

00:42:52to a Christian household

00:42:54and had dinner

00:42:55with everybody

00:42:56and didn't tell

00:42:58a single person

00:42:58that he had just

00:42:59gotten out of prison

00:43:00for murder.

00:43:04On that piece

00:43:05of paper

00:43:05was a phone

00:43:07that Larry Richmond

00:43:09Sr. was in possession

00:43:10of at the time

00:43:11of his arrest.

00:43:14He got that phone

00:43:15from a person

00:43:16named Laura Riggle.

00:43:17During our investigation

00:43:18we did talk

00:43:18to Laura Riggle.

00:43:19We kind of

00:43:20we would like to know

00:43:22more about the nature

00:43:23of yours

00:43:24and Larry's relationship.

00:43:26Larry and I

00:43:27got to know each other

00:43:29more I should say.

00:43:31It was in December

00:43:32before Christmas

00:43:33we started talking

00:43:34and then we actually

00:43:35started seeing each other

00:43:36in January.

00:43:37You said seeing each other

00:43:38you mean like

00:43:38going on dates

00:43:39and stuff like that?

00:43:40Okay.

00:43:41I do know

00:43:41he lives with Mandy.

00:43:43Uh-huh.

00:43:43She does not know.

00:43:46So what was going

00:43:47to happen

00:43:48between him and Mandy?

00:43:49They were breaking up.

00:43:54Through the course

00:43:55of our investigation

00:43:55there were several

00:43:56women who were

00:43:57romantically involved

00:43:58with Larry Richmond

00:43:59Sr.

00:44:02around the time

00:44:02of the murder

00:44:03in February of 2019.

00:44:05What about him?

00:44:06Is that the woman

00:44:06he messes with?

00:44:07I didn't know

00:44:08about the others.

00:44:10What motive

00:44:10do you think

00:44:11that he could have

00:44:11or do something

00:44:12as he did it?

00:44:13I just can't imagine

00:44:14him doing it.

00:44:16There is no motive.

00:44:18The first night

00:44:19that we had contact

00:44:20with Mandy

00:44:20she was a mess.

00:44:22I don't know.

00:44:23I'm not a

00:44:24troublemaker.

00:44:25I don't know.

00:44:26And then

00:44:27the next time

00:44:28we had kind of

00:44:29built a little bit

00:44:29of a rapport

00:44:30with her.

00:44:31So let's go

00:44:33back further

00:44:34to the day

00:44:35that Robbie

00:44:37gets killed.

00:44:37To your best

00:44:38recollection

00:44:39and where's Larry?

00:44:43I don't know.

00:44:44Mandy,

00:44:45why did you tell

00:44:45investigators

00:44:46that Larry

00:44:46was with you

00:44:47at home

00:44:48that night?

00:44:50Was Larry there?

00:44:51Yeah,

00:44:51we were all there.

00:44:53We were all there.

00:44:54Kids, Larry.

00:44:55Mm-hmm.

00:44:57Because he was

00:44:57with me all the time.

00:44:59He was there

00:44:59every night.

00:45:00I didn't know

00:45:01what night

00:45:01they were talking about.

00:45:03The night

00:45:04of the shooting.

00:45:05But I didn't know

00:45:07what night

00:45:09that was.

00:45:10That's what

00:45:10they were talking

00:45:11to me about.

00:45:11I thought they meant

00:45:12did he come home

00:45:13that night?

00:45:14Yes, he came

00:45:15home that night.

00:45:16I knew this was bad

00:45:18but my first

00:45:19inclination wasn't

00:45:21oh, what'd you do?

00:45:22So they reveal,

00:45:23they tell you a lot

00:45:24of what's going on.

00:45:25Oh, yes.

00:45:25They reveal some things

00:45:26to you.

00:45:26Oh, yes.

00:45:28I thought he was

00:45:29cheating on me.

00:45:30Okay.

00:45:30I can tell you

00:45:31he was.

00:45:32I'm with a lot

00:45:33of women

00:45:33and we've had

00:45:34one just walked

00:45:35out of here

00:45:35and we had

00:45:36one in here

00:45:37last night.

00:45:38Okay.

00:45:38So you're not

00:45:39the only one

00:45:39in this trick bag.

00:45:41So you had

00:45:41another life

00:45:42going on.

00:45:42Yeah.

00:45:43Girlfriends.

00:45:45Plural.

00:45:45Yeah.

00:45:46You don't think

00:45:47he was using you?

00:45:48No.

00:45:49For what?

00:45:50For what?

00:45:52I'm a train wreck.

00:45:55I got...

00:45:58This heart

00:45:59about all

00:46:00I have to offer.

00:46:01Okay.

00:46:01Do you have

00:46:03any other

00:46:03suspicions

00:46:04that Larry

00:46:05and your sister

00:46:06had anything

00:46:06going on?

00:46:08Okay.

00:46:10Your sister

00:46:10is in custody

00:46:11for deleting

00:46:12a phone call

00:46:12that was very

00:46:14important

00:46:14and there's

00:46:15a five-minute

00:46:16phone call

00:46:17right before

00:46:18Robbie's murder.

00:46:19I mean,

00:46:19minutes before

00:46:20Robbie's murder

00:46:21and guess

00:46:21who that came

00:46:22from?

00:46:24Larry.

00:46:28What do you

00:46:28think is going

00:46:29on between

00:46:29Larry and

00:46:30your sister?

00:46:32I thought

00:46:33we went out

00:46:33with him

00:46:33three times.

00:46:35That's what

00:46:36I thought.

00:46:37Were your

00:46:38sister Becky

00:46:39and Larry

00:46:39having an affair?

00:46:41That is

00:46:42the word.

00:46:44After the

00:46:44murder,

00:46:45Amanda Fillmore

00:46:46was never a

00:46:46suspect and

00:46:47police found

00:46:48her to be

00:46:49telling the truth.

00:46:50Mandy was

00:46:50never charged

00:46:51with anything

00:46:51in this case.

00:46:52Mandy was

00:46:53deeply in love

00:46:54with Larry

00:46:55Richman Sr.

00:46:56In her mind

00:46:57that Larry

00:46:57had nothing

00:46:58to do with this.

00:46:59Looking back,

00:47:00it was very

00:47:01apparent.

00:47:02My mom

00:47:03had something

00:47:04to do with it.

00:47:05When one of your

00:47:05first question is

00:47:06after your husband

00:47:07dies,

00:47:08what about

00:47:09his pension?

00:47:09I call her

00:47:11an affidabanger

00:47:12of murdering.

00:47:32it was strange

00:47:33being in the

00:47:34house by

00:47:34myself.

00:47:36I'm in

00:47:37Rob's house

00:47:38who is no

00:47:40longer alive

00:47:41and my mother

00:47:43is in question

00:47:44now for his

00:47:45murder.

00:47:46I felt terrible

00:47:47about even just

00:47:48being in his

00:47:48house.

00:47:49Why am I in

00:47:50his house

00:47:50and he's not?

00:47:51It's our top

00:47:52story tonight.

00:47:53Charges have

00:47:53been dropped

00:47:54against the wife

00:47:55of a murdered

00:47:56Evansville

00:47:56firefighter

00:47:57seven months

00:47:58after they

00:47:58were filed.

00:47:59Elizabeth Fox

00:48:00Doerr was

00:48:01charged with

00:48:02obstruction of

00:48:03justice.

00:48:03My mother

00:48:04did finally

00:48:05get released

00:48:06from jail.

00:48:07She lived

00:48:08with me.

00:48:09She and I

00:48:10had some

00:48:11very tense

00:48:11conversations.

00:48:12Like, why

00:48:13did I believe

00:48:14that you did

00:48:14this?

00:48:15I don't know,

00:48:16Nathan.

00:48:17Well, why

00:48:18would they ever?

00:48:19Nathan, I

00:48:19don't know.

00:48:24The night

00:48:25of, she

00:48:26talked to me

00:48:27about his

00:48:27pension.

00:48:28Will I get

00:48:29any of it?

00:48:29How do I get

00:48:30a hold of it?

00:48:34The day

00:48:35after the

00:48:35murder, we

00:48:37were told by

00:48:37a spouse of

00:48:39a firefighter.

00:48:39She had showed

00:48:40up at the

00:48:41firehouse asking

00:48:42about his

00:48:42pension.

00:48:44Yes, I did

00:48:45ask about the

00:48:46pension after he

00:48:47was killed

00:48:47because I

00:48:48had so many

00:48:49people asking

00:48:50me about his

00:48:51pension and

00:48:52his life

00:48:52insurance.

00:48:53That's why I

00:48:54went where I

00:48:55thought that I

00:48:56could find those

00:48:57answers.

00:48:58The fact that

00:48:59she was there

00:49:00the next day

00:49:00inquiring about

00:49:01a pension,

00:49:02that was

00:49:02definitely on

00:49:03our radar.

00:49:08Larry Richmond

00:49:09Jr. told us

00:49:10a lot about

00:49:11Larry Sr.

00:49:11I'm going to

00:49:12give you the

00:49:13floor here for

00:49:13a second, and

00:49:14I want you to

00:49:14tell me anything

00:49:15that you left

00:49:16out from the

00:49:17other night.

00:49:17Do you think

00:49:18your dad's

00:49:18involved in

00:49:19the murder

00:49:19of Robbie?

00:49:20I hope not.

00:49:23As far as

00:49:23Jr., it all

00:49:25didn't come out

00:49:25at one time.

00:49:27We didn't know

00:49:27about the affair

00:49:28until later.

00:49:29Has he ever

00:49:30talked about

00:49:30Becky before?

00:49:32He said one

00:49:33time that they

00:49:33went out to

00:49:34Pistons, and

00:49:35like, I guess

00:49:37Becky was

00:49:37drunk, and

00:49:38like, the

00:49:39firefighter dude

00:49:40was there too,

00:49:41and they

00:49:41was just

00:49:42dancing,

00:49:43doing all

00:49:44this, and

00:49:44Becky kept

00:49:45looking at

00:49:45him.

00:49:46He said

00:49:47she was

00:49:47cute and

00:49:48fine.

00:49:50Dog, that's

00:49:51your girl's

00:49:51sister.

00:49:53What are you

00:49:53doing?

00:49:55I was like,

00:49:56did you

00:49:56Becky?

00:49:58He was like,

00:50:00no, and

00:50:00then I asked

00:50:01him again,

00:50:02he was like,

00:50:02man, I

00:50:03had to.

00:50:08I was like,

00:50:09dog, you're

00:50:09a damn

00:50:10dad.

00:50:11And Evansville

00:50:12father and

00:50:12son are

00:50:13facing federal

00:50:13weapons charges.

00:50:15Junior, he

00:50:16did something

00:50:17terrible by

00:50:17stealing a

00:50:18gun, but he

00:50:19did take

00:50:19responsibility

00:50:20for it, and

00:50:21eventually

00:50:21pleaded guilty.

00:50:22He didn't

00:50:22have any

00:50:23part in the

00:50:23murder.

00:50:24Larry Sr.

00:50:25was convicted

00:50:25for possession

00:50:26of a handgun

00:50:26by a felon

00:50:27and having

00:50:28obliterated

00:50:29serial numbers.

00:50:30He was in

00:50:31custody, so

00:50:32we just

00:50:32kind of say,

00:50:33hey, let's

00:50:33slow everything

00:50:33down.

00:50:34He's not a

00:50:34threat to

00:50:35society.

00:50:39I thought

00:50:40it would

00:50:40be a

00:50:41simple,

00:50:41speedy

00:50:41process.

00:50:43And here

00:50:43we are

00:50:44one year

00:50:45later.

00:50:48The police,

00:50:49it didn't feel

00:50:49like they were

00:50:50making headway

00:50:50on what

00:50:51happened.

00:50:52And that's

00:50:53when my

00:50:53anger started

00:50:54to really

00:50:55set in.

00:50:59my mother

00:51:00got another

00:51:01boyfriend very

00:51:02quickly.

00:51:04And then she

00:51:05very quickly

00:51:05after that,

00:51:06almost like

00:51:07the next day,

00:51:08got another

00:51:09boyfriend.

00:51:10I have had

00:51:11several strong

00:51:12words about

00:51:13my mother in

00:51:14private, talking

00:51:15with a therapist,

00:51:16with police.

00:51:18Hey.

00:51:19Hi.

00:51:21She's engaged

00:51:22again.

00:51:23Engaged

00:51:24again?

00:51:24Yes.

00:51:24And like

00:51:26we just

00:51:26discussed,

00:51:26it hasn't

00:51:27even been

00:51:27a year.

00:51:28Correct.

00:51:29She had

00:51:30two boyfriends

00:51:31before this

00:51:32gentleman.

00:51:33My oldest

00:51:34son, Nathan,

00:51:36misunderstood

00:51:36the situation.

00:51:38I was not

00:51:39engaged to a

00:51:40man after

00:51:41Rob died.

00:51:42I did have

00:51:43somebody ask

00:51:44me to marry

00:51:45them, but I

00:51:46told them that

00:51:47I didn't think

00:51:48that I would

00:51:48ever get

00:51:48married again.

00:51:50Mom,

00:51:51was that on

00:51:51your hand?

00:51:52She was,

00:51:52oh,

00:51:52nothing.

00:51:53I called

00:51:54her.

00:52:04I believe it was

00:52:05a year into

00:52:06the case,

00:52:07lead investigator

00:52:08Blake Keene

00:52:09did a press

00:52:09conference.

00:52:11It's the person

00:52:12of interest

00:52:12in this case.

00:52:14He identified

00:52:14Larry Richmond

00:52:15Sr. as a

00:52:16person of interest.

00:52:1841-year-old

00:52:18Enzo resident

00:52:19Larry Holly

00:52:20Richmond Sr.

00:52:21Richmond Sr.

00:52:22had a relationship

00:52:22with the

00:52:23door family

00:52:23at the time

00:52:24Robert was

00:52:24executed.

00:52:25We were

00:52:26pleading for

00:52:26the public

00:52:27to, if they

00:52:28knew any

00:52:28information,

00:52:29to call in.

00:52:30There was

00:52:30the news

00:52:31conference and

00:52:31then we

00:52:32didn't hear

00:52:32much at all

00:52:32after that.

00:52:33I'm glad

00:52:34they have

00:52:34a person

00:52:34of interest,

00:52:37but where

00:52:38do we go

00:52:38from here?

00:52:40There's been

00:52:41a big

00:52:41development

00:52:42in this case.

00:52:43An inmate

00:52:43who was locked

00:52:44up with

00:52:44Larry Sr.

00:52:45told investigators

00:52:46that Larry Sr.

00:52:47confessed to

00:52:48killing Robbie.

00:52:50Mohammed reached

00:52:51out to the

00:52:51Evansville Police

00:52:52Department.

00:52:52He reported

00:52:53that Sr.

00:52:54and him

00:52:54had confided

00:52:55in each other.

00:52:56They were bunkmates.

00:52:59This is Detective

00:53:00King and Detective

00:53:02Loose.

00:53:03It is

00:53:04August 25th,

00:53:05around 1643 hours.

00:53:08I'm here with

00:53:09Mohammed.

00:53:11Who are you

00:53:11talking about?

00:53:12Larry,

00:53:13Larry Richmond.

00:53:17He mentioned

00:53:18he killed

00:53:18a firefighter

00:53:20in Evansville,

00:53:20Indiana.

00:53:22He said

00:53:23he shot a rifle

00:53:23in front of

00:53:24his house

00:53:25in the nighttime.

00:53:30He had it all

00:53:31affair with her.

00:53:34He said

00:53:34if they get rid

00:53:35of the rifle,

00:53:36he said

00:53:36the black

00:53:37beneficiary

00:53:37will be

00:53:38like him.

00:53:42It appeared

00:53:43that the

00:53:44information

00:53:44from Mohammed

00:53:45was somewhat

00:53:46accurate according

00:53:47to our theory

00:53:48of the case.

00:53:49There was

00:53:50information

00:53:51that was not

00:53:51shared publicly

00:53:52that was known

00:53:54in what he

00:53:55had reported.

00:53:57How is this

00:53:58cell person

00:53:59supposed to know

00:53:59that we're having

00:54:00an affair?

00:54:01Did he witness it?

00:54:02Or are we just

00:54:03grasping at straws?

00:54:05I never had an affair

00:54:07with Larry Richmond,

00:54:08Sr.

00:54:08never.

00:54:10There was nothing

00:54:11between us.

00:54:12Shortly after

00:54:13Larry Richmond, Sr.

00:54:14is named

00:54:15a person of interest

00:54:16in this case,

00:54:16investigators want

00:54:17to get a hold

00:54:17of his cell phone

00:54:18to see if it

00:54:19could hold

00:54:19any clues.

00:54:21Our hypothesis

00:54:22is that Larry

00:54:23Richmond, Sr.

00:54:24had his phone

00:54:24on him

00:54:25and that the

00:54:26location data

00:54:27can put him

00:54:28at the scene

00:54:28of the crime

00:54:29at 7.05 p.m.

00:54:31Unfortunately,

00:54:31we didn't have

00:54:32that information.

00:54:34Larry Richmond, Sr.

00:54:35did not want

00:54:36to provide a passcode

00:54:36to the phone.

00:54:38There was frustration.

00:54:39The family

00:54:39was frustrated.

00:54:40We were frustrated.

00:54:42We felt like

00:54:42we were close

00:54:43and you just

00:54:44needed this

00:54:44one big break

00:54:45to really push

00:54:46this case forward.

00:55:07When I was a firefighter,

00:55:08it's not the kind

00:55:09of case that

00:55:10just goes cold.

00:55:11Everybody wants

00:55:11an answer.

00:55:12It was very trying.

00:55:14It's frustrating.

00:55:15It's heartbreaking.

00:55:18It feels

00:55:19like an eternity.

00:55:34when Larry Richmond, Sr.

00:55:36was taken into custody

00:55:37on March 4th of 2019.

00:55:40I'll let somebody

00:55:41else tell you that.

00:55:42We seized

00:55:43two phones from him.

00:55:46We got search warrants

00:55:47for those phones,

00:55:49but what ultimately

00:55:50slowed us down

00:55:50was we didn't have

00:55:51a passcode

00:55:52for Larry's iPhone.

00:55:54I'm John Carter.

00:55:55I'm a criminal investigator

00:55:57with the High Tech Crime Unit

00:55:58out of the Vandenberg County

00:55:59Prosecutor's Office.

00:56:00The equipment

00:56:01that the Evansville

00:56:02Police Department

00:56:03had at the time,

00:56:04you had to have

00:56:04a passcode in order

00:56:05to get the information

00:56:06from the phone,

00:56:07which is where we took over

00:56:08with our new tools

00:56:10and techniques

00:56:10to acquire that passcode.

00:56:15The computer system

00:56:16just runs an algorithm

00:56:17of passwords

00:56:18and we have no say

00:56:21in how long that is.

00:56:22Those algorithms

00:56:23can take seconds.

00:56:25We've had phones

00:56:26that have taken up

00:56:26to two years.

00:56:27I believe in this

00:56:28particular case,

00:56:29it was anywhere

00:56:30between six to eight months.

00:56:32I remember that day well

00:56:34that John called me

00:56:35and said,

00:56:36hey, we got into Larry Sr.'s phone.

00:56:38We have the content.

00:56:40Utilizing the digital evidence

00:56:42that we discovered

00:56:43from his phone,

00:56:44we were able to build

00:56:45a bigger picture

00:56:46of what had occurred

00:56:47that night.

00:56:51In the six o'clock hour,

00:56:53Larry Richman Sr.'s phone

00:56:55is all within that area

00:56:56of the door residence

00:56:58as if he's just slithering,

00:57:00snaking around.

00:57:03There's foot traffic

00:57:05and then eventually

00:57:06in the alley

00:57:07from 631 to 639.

00:57:09This guy is able

00:57:10to be in the alley

00:57:11at the exact time

00:57:12a fireman comes home.

00:57:16Shortly after,

00:57:18he's talking to Elizabeth

00:57:19on the phone

00:57:20at 646 to 651.

00:57:23In the interview

00:57:24with Becky Fox-Door,

00:57:25we got her to admit

00:57:26that, yes,

00:57:27I told him he would

00:57:28be home shortly.

00:57:31We don't know

00:57:32where Larry's location

00:57:33was between 652

00:57:35and 714

00:57:37because his phone

00:57:38is powered off.

00:57:40It's not until you actually

00:57:41came to this alley

00:57:42and saw it with your own eyes

00:57:44that you can really understand

00:57:45now where he was.

00:57:55This is the path

00:57:56that Robbie took

00:57:57for the last moments

00:57:58of his life.

00:57:59He would have turned north

00:58:00here on Oakley

00:58:01to get to his house.

00:58:02This was not a normal time

00:58:03for Robbie to be coming home.

00:58:05He was picking up

00:58:06a shift for someone else,

00:58:07which was also important

00:58:08because it meant

00:58:09he came home at night.

00:58:10Normally, his shift

00:58:10would dictate

00:58:11that he would work

00:58:13and come home

00:58:14in the morning.

00:58:15And there's only one person

00:58:16that would know

00:58:17that Robbie's on his way home

00:58:19or what time

00:58:19he's expected home.

00:58:20And that's Elizabeth.

00:58:25This far as her

00:58:26cooking that night

00:58:27and preparing dinner

00:58:28for Robbie,

00:58:29in my personal opinion,

00:58:30Robbie Dorr

00:58:31is never going to eat

00:58:31those pork chops that night.

00:58:33I truly believe

00:58:34that this timeline

00:58:35was set up.

00:58:36The fact is this.

00:58:37She's at home.

00:58:39She's making dinner.

00:58:41There's someone waiting,

00:58:43Larry,

00:58:44with a gun.

00:58:45My dad pulls into a driveway

00:58:47and he literally,

00:58:49quite literally,

00:58:50runs out of his shoes

00:58:51to get away.

00:58:56To get away.

00:58:59I don't think his door

00:59:00was even shut

00:59:02before shots

00:59:03started going off.

00:59:04I don't know how

00:59:05to explain Larry Sr.,

00:59:08the evidence,

00:59:11digital,

00:59:12of him being around the house.

00:59:14I don't know how

00:59:15to explain that.

00:59:17I do know that his mother

00:59:19lives very close by,

00:59:20like, I think,

00:59:21a street over.

00:59:22All I know is

00:59:23I did not know

00:59:25he was around the house.

00:59:27I think that

00:59:27she 100% knows

00:59:29what happened

00:59:29on that conversation

00:59:30with Larry.

00:59:359-1-1.

00:59:36Yeah, yeah,

00:59:37I just heard shots fired.

00:59:39First Avenue, Colorado.

00:59:41It's the alley behind.

00:59:43How many did you hear?

00:59:44Five.

00:59:46The night

00:59:46that Rob got murdered,

00:59:49Larry said he was

00:59:50going to go to his mom's

00:59:50house and move

00:59:51the furniture.

00:59:52Long story short,

00:59:54I get there,

00:59:55he's not there,

00:59:57he's gone to run

00:59:58an errand for his mother.

00:59:59We had a residence here

01:00:01that heard the shooting.

01:00:03They heard all five shots

01:00:05and stepped out

01:00:06onto their front porch

01:00:07and watched a subject

01:00:09sprint from one side

01:00:12of the street

01:00:12to the other

01:00:13and disappearing

01:00:14between homes and businesses.

01:00:20at 7-11 p.m.

01:00:22video surveillance

01:00:23shows that he's

01:00:24arrived at Circle K

01:00:26and he powers his phone

01:00:27back up

01:00:28while he's at Circle K

01:00:29at 7-14 p.m.

01:00:31And once we reviewed

01:00:32that video surveillance,

01:00:33we noticed,

01:00:33you know,

01:00:34it's February,

01:00:34it's cold,

01:00:35and Larry's only wearing

01:00:37some shoes,

01:00:38some jeans,

01:00:39and a sleeveless T-shirt.

01:00:40We thought that was

01:00:41a little odd,

01:00:42but, you know,

01:00:43it seemed to us

01:00:44that Larry didn't have

01:00:45a care in the world.

01:00:46We never stop on cases,

01:00:47and especially

01:00:48on a murder case.

01:00:51We had to take

01:00:52all of the different pieces,

01:00:54provide what our theory was,

01:00:56essentially,

01:00:57and then allow a jury

01:00:58to decide.

01:00:59A short while ago,

01:01:00Larry Richman Sr.

01:01:01and Elizabeth Foxdor

01:01:02were charged

01:01:03with the murder of Robbie.

01:01:04When they finally told me

01:01:05they were going to charge

01:01:06both of them with murder,

01:01:07I was like,

01:01:08well, all right, let's go.

01:01:10We've got this.

01:01:11It absolutely led

01:01:12our news that night.

01:01:14Foxdor is charged

01:01:15with murder

01:01:16alongside Larry Richman Sr.

01:01:19I didn't do it.

01:01:20That is the truth.

01:01:22I didn't do it.

01:01:24If you're asking me

01:01:25if I shot and killed

01:01:26Robbie Dore,

01:01:27no, I did not.

01:01:28Your son says

01:01:28you smashed that

01:01:30talking about Becky.

01:01:31Never.

01:01:32Come on.

01:01:33Never.

01:01:34Never happened.

01:01:35Never happened.

01:01:36Oh, I was very surprised

01:01:38to be charged with murder

01:01:39and conspiracy

01:01:41to commit murder.

01:01:42I was shot.

01:01:44They don't want you

01:01:46to listen

01:01:47to the truth.

01:01:49I felt like

01:01:50I just listened

01:01:51to a screenplay

01:01:52of a crime novel

01:01:54that was based

01:01:56entirely on fiction.

01:02:08Elizabeth Foxdor is charged

01:02:10with murder

01:02:10and conspiring

01:02:12with Larry Richman

01:02:13to commit that murder.

01:02:14Her trial is scheduled

01:02:15to be heard first.

01:02:16She's pleaded not guilty.

01:02:18If she's convicted,

01:02:19she could face

01:02:19up to life in prison.

01:02:23My name is Mark Phillips

01:02:24and I am lead counsel

01:02:26in the trial

01:02:27involving our client,

01:02:28Becky Foxdor.

01:02:29My name is Rob Phillips

01:02:30and I'm the co-counsel

01:02:32in the case

01:02:32of Becky Foxdor.

01:02:34You have heard supposition

01:02:37that there was

01:02:39a conversation

01:02:39between Larry

01:02:40and Becky

01:02:41about a murder

01:02:42and that's not true.

01:02:45I'm Diana Merce.

01:02:46I'm the Vanderburgh

01:02:46County prosecutor.

01:02:47This was the first

01:02:48murder case

01:02:49that I took on

01:02:50as the elected prosecutor

01:02:52so the pressure was on.

01:02:53I didn't intend

01:02:54for any of this

01:02:55to happen.

01:02:56This is what

01:02:56the defendant

01:02:57told detectives

01:02:58who were questioning her

01:02:59that night

01:03:00about the death

01:03:00of her husband.

01:03:01Becky Foxdor

01:03:02was the co-conspirator

01:03:04not the shooter

01:03:05and so in a conspiracy case

01:03:07you have to prove

01:03:08a meeting of the minds

01:03:09and you know

01:03:09you're doing that

01:03:10with circumstantial evidence.

01:03:11They have a phone

01:03:12conversation around

01:03:13the time of the murder

01:03:14and it lasts

01:03:15for four minutes

01:03:15and 18 seconds

01:03:16and then he turns

01:03:17his phone off.

01:03:18This one's completely

01:03:19black with no data

01:03:20at all.

01:03:21Around 7, 12 p.m.

01:03:23Larry Richmond Sr.

01:03:25pulls up in a Ford Taurus

01:03:27and soon after

01:03:28enters the store

01:03:29and then leaves.

01:03:31Just 15 minutes

01:03:33before Robbie Doer

01:03:34was ambushed

01:03:34and killed

01:03:35the defendant spoke

01:03:36with Larry Richmond Sr.

01:03:38on the phone

01:03:38as soon as the defendant

01:03:40was finished talking

01:03:41she deleted

01:03:42that phone call.

01:03:45The only thing

01:03:46that she did

01:03:47was not remember

01:03:48the deletion

01:03:49of a call

01:03:49and that that somehow

01:03:52morphed into

01:03:53this conspiracy theory.

01:03:55By that time

01:03:56did you delete

01:03:56Larry's phone number?

01:03:57It is a habit

01:03:58for me to delete

01:03:59phone calls

01:03:59because Larry's not a person

01:04:01I normally talk to

01:04:02so I delete it.

01:04:03It's ridiculous

01:04:04that it's about

01:04:05a phone call

01:04:07that I took

01:04:08and I deleted.

01:04:10The defense says

01:04:11there's no evidence

01:04:11suggesting their client

01:04:12planned the killing

01:04:13and today they tried

01:04:14to hammer that point

01:04:15home by grilling

01:04:16the original detective

01:04:18in the case.

01:04:18There was a phone

01:04:19conversation

01:04:20that you asked

01:04:21Becky about

01:04:22at some point,

01:04:22correct?

01:04:23Correct.

01:04:24And you allege

01:04:25it's with Larry

01:04:25Richmond Sr., right?

01:04:27It is, yes.

01:04:28Is that correct?

01:04:29Yep.

01:04:29Okay.

01:04:30Yes.

01:04:30You have no idea

01:04:31what they talked about,

01:04:31do you?

01:04:32No.

01:04:32And you know

01:04:33who initiated

01:04:34that call,

01:04:35don't you?

01:04:35He did.

01:04:36In fact,

01:04:36in your investigation

01:04:37you don't have

01:04:39any evidence

01:04:39that Becky Doer

01:04:40ever initiated

01:04:41a phone conversation

01:04:42of any kind

01:04:44with Larry Richmond Sr.,

01:04:45correct?

01:04:46Correct.

01:04:46Fox Door

01:04:47and Richmond Sr.

01:04:49may have been

01:04:49romantically involved.

01:04:50She has photos

01:04:51with him,

01:04:52she spent holidays

01:04:53with him,

01:04:54and they even went

01:04:55on a double date

01:04:56with her sister

01:04:57and Robbie Doer.

01:05:00There was a dramatic

01:05:01moment at the end

01:05:02of the day today.

01:05:03The son of co-defendant

01:05:04Larry Richmond Sr.,

01:05:05he took the stand.

01:05:06Larry Jr. was a good

01:05:07witness.

01:05:08He didn't want his

01:05:08father bringing him down

01:05:10and he knew

01:05:11if he didn't tell

01:05:12the truth

01:05:12that it would.

01:05:14Do you know

01:05:14the defendant

01:05:15in this case,

01:05:16Elizabeth Fox Door,

01:05:17have you ever met her?

01:05:19Yes.

01:05:20She got in the vehicle

01:05:21and that's the first

01:05:21time you saw her?

01:05:22Mm-hmm.

01:05:23And did anything happen

01:05:24before she got

01:05:25out of the car?

01:05:26They kissed.

01:05:27They kissed?

01:05:27Mm-hmm.

01:05:28And was it

01:05:29a mutual kiss

01:05:30or could you tell?

01:05:31Yes, they both

01:05:32went in.

01:05:33I did not have

01:05:34an affair with him.

01:05:35I had

01:05:36no relationship

01:05:37with him.

01:05:38His relationship

01:05:39was with my sister.

01:05:41Larry Richmond Jr.

01:05:42took the stand

01:05:43and told a story

01:05:44about seeing his father

01:05:46kiss Becky

01:05:47behind Robbie Doerr's

01:05:48home in approximately

01:05:49March of 2018.

01:05:52And if there's evidence

01:05:53in this trial

01:05:54that she didn't even

01:05:55live there

01:05:56in March of 2018,

01:05:58that put a dent

01:05:59in your story,

01:06:00wouldn't it?

01:06:00Yes.

01:06:01You didn't know

01:06:02who she was

01:06:02before your dad

01:06:05got out of prison,

01:06:06correct?

01:06:06I may have

01:06:07about a time

01:06:08date.

01:06:09Oh, I didn't

01:06:09ask you that.

01:06:11Is that your sworn

01:06:11testimony here today?

01:06:13Yes.

01:06:14Larry Richmond Sr.

01:06:15hadn't even been

01:06:16released for prison

01:06:17at that point.

01:06:18Not only that,

01:06:19Becky Fox Doerr

01:06:20wasn't even living

01:06:21with Robbie Doerr

01:06:22at that point.

01:06:23The prosecution

01:06:24inquired about

01:06:25whether Fox Doerr

01:06:26might have been

01:06:26motivated by

01:06:27financial gain.

01:06:28Raise your right

01:06:29hand.

01:06:30Did your mother

01:06:30ever talk to you

01:06:31about the firefighter

01:06:32pension after the murder

01:06:34of Robbie Doerr?

01:06:35Yes.

01:06:36When's the first time

01:06:37she brought that

01:06:37conversation up?

01:06:39From my remembrance,

01:06:40almost the same night.

01:06:43And how many times

01:06:44did you say that

01:06:45she talked to you

01:06:46about it?

01:06:48We had a conversation

01:06:49about it daily

01:06:50and I got frustrated

01:06:53several times

01:06:54and I was like,

01:06:54Mom, there are procedures

01:06:55we have to go through

01:06:57to get to that point.

01:06:58There were times

01:06:59it looked as if

01:07:01like someone had just

01:07:02like gut punched her

01:07:03and it was sad

01:07:04to see this woman

01:07:05you grew up with

01:07:06sitting there.

01:07:09Her hair wasn't done

01:07:10like she normally

01:07:11would do it.

01:07:12Her makeup wasn't done.

01:07:13It was different.

01:07:15And I think

01:07:16it made it

01:07:18a little bit harder

01:07:20for me to

01:07:21be on the stand

01:07:22with her in the room

01:07:23looking the way

01:07:24that she did.

01:07:25When Nathan

01:07:26started testifying,

01:07:27it was like

01:07:28he flipped a switch

01:07:30and just turned

01:07:32into somebody else.

01:07:33It was pretty hard

01:07:34to watch.

01:07:36You know your mom

01:07:37was not a beneficiary

01:07:38for purposes

01:07:39of any financial benefit,

01:07:41correct?

01:07:41I don't know

01:07:42who's beneficiary

01:07:43on anything.

01:07:44If you were to learn

01:07:45that your mom

01:07:46had no financial interest

01:07:47as a result of Robby's death,

01:07:49would that surprise you?

01:07:51I mean,

01:07:52she,

01:07:53no.

01:07:54No.

01:07:54I was not motivated

01:07:55to kill him

01:07:56for his pension.

01:07:57I didn't kill him.

01:07:59Rob and I

01:08:00hadn't even talked

01:08:01about life insurance

01:08:02or pension

01:08:02or any of that.

01:08:04We were,

01:08:04we were just

01:08:05being married.

01:08:08They don't want

01:08:09you to listen

01:08:11to the truth.

01:08:12I felt like

01:08:13I just listened

01:08:14to a screenplay

01:08:15of a crime novel

01:08:17that was based

01:08:18entirely on fiction.

01:08:20I ask you

01:08:21to return

01:08:21the only verdict

01:08:22that's justified

01:08:23by the evidence

01:08:23in this case,

01:08:25murder

01:08:25and conspiracy

01:08:27to permit murder.

01:08:28With that,

01:08:28you may begin

01:08:29your deliberation.

01:08:30All rise.

01:08:32As prosecutors,

01:08:33you know who's guilty,

01:08:34right?

01:08:35But that's not good enough.

01:08:36The standard

01:08:36is beyond a reasonable doubt.

01:08:38When the jury

01:08:39returned a verdict,

01:08:40I can just remember

01:08:42being out on the set

01:08:43and the producer

01:08:44telling me in my ear,

01:08:45we're going to air it live.

01:08:46I close my eyes

01:08:49and tears

01:08:50just start flowing.

01:09:06state of indiana

01:09:08versus elizabeth,

01:09:09Joanne, Fox,

01:09:10door, verdict.

01:09:11The courtroom

01:09:12was tense

01:09:13in the moments

01:09:13leading up to

01:09:14the verdict reading

01:09:15and after more

01:09:15than four hours,

01:09:17the jury reached

01:09:18a decision.

01:09:19We, the jury,

01:09:20find the defendant

01:09:20guilty of count one.

01:09:23I held my aunt's hand

01:09:24and I held Nathan's hand

01:09:26and I closed my eyes

01:09:29and tears

01:09:30just start flowing.

01:09:31We, the jury,

01:09:32find the defendant

01:09:33guilty of count two.

01:09:35Like, that

01:09:36is all we could

01:09:37have ever hoped for.

01:09:40Thank God this is done.

01:09:43Thank God, Dad,

01:09:44can rest peacefully.

01:09:47When I heard the guilty

01:09:48verdict,

01:09:49I couldn't believe it.

01:09:50They got it wrong.

01:09:53They got it wrong.

01:09:57And all I could think

01:09:58was,

01:09:59this is my life

01:10:00you're playing with.

01:10:06Becky would later

01:10:07be sentenced

01:10:07by a judge,

01:10:0990 years

01:10:10in prison.

01:10:11So basically,

01:10:11she will be spending

01:10:12the rest of her life

01:10:13behind bars.

01:10:14All rise.

01:10:15It's horrible.

01:10:18I mean,

01:10:21I'm not guilty.

01:10:24There are people

01:10:26that are guilty

01:10:29and say they're guilty

01:10:31that get way less time

01:10:34than I'm looking at.

01:10:38The next time

01:10:39that she is going

01:10:40to be a part

01:10:41of the free world

01:10:42will be in a funeral

01:10:44in a graveyard somewhere.

01:10:46Everybody just has

01:10:47this idea

01:10:48that she's this

01:10:48villainous woman

01:10:49that was out for money.

01:10:51And I want more people

01:10:52to see the actual

01:10:54good side of her,

01:10:55the kind of person

01:10:57that she actually is.

01:10:58It's not adding up.

01:11:00There's something missing.

01:11:03It's awful

01:11:04to watch people

01:11:06that you love

01:11:07suffer their consequences.

01:11:10And do bad things?

01:11:11Mm-hmm.

01:11:14Do you believe

01:11:15your sister Becky

01:11:15plotted to kill Robbie?

01:11:18I don't think

01:11:18that it matters

01:11:19what I think.

01:11:20You don't have

01:11:21an opinion

01:11:21about whether

01:11:22Becky and Larry

01:11:23plotted to kill Robbie?

01:11:25The rational part

01:11:27of my brain

01:11:27says it would

01:11:28appear such,

01:11:29but I think

01:11:30the irrational heart

01:11:32is still

01:11:34begging the universe

01:11:35for a different answer.

01:11:37Police say

01:11:38back in 2019,

01:11:39Richmond conspired

01:11:41with Elizabeth Fox Doer

01:11:42to murder Robert Doer

01:11:43in the driveway

01:11:44of his home.

01:11:45His trial

01:11:46in the murder case

01:11:47is set to begin

01:11:48in December.

01:11:50I got a call

01:11:51from the seat

01:11:52public defender.

01:11:53They were looking

01:11:54for someone

01:11:54who was qualified

01:11:55to handle a life

01:11:56without parole case.

01:11:57She sent me an email

01:11:58and said,

01:11:59would I be interested?

01:12:00I said,

01:12:00well,

01:12:00this might be

01:12:01one of the only times

01:12:02I get a case like this,

01:12:03so let's give it a shot.

01:12:05The murder trial

01:12:06of Larry Richmond Sr.

01:12:08He's the man

01:12:08accused of shooting

01:12:09and killing

01:12:10Evansville firefighter

01:12:11Robert Doerr.

01:12:12During Becky's case,

01:12:13we heard all this testimony

01:12:14and saw a lot

01:12:15of the evidence

01:12:16at that time,

01:12:16so we knew

01:12:17what to expect

01:12:17going into this one.

01:12:18The whole conceit

01:12:19of the state's case

01:12:20is that this was

01:12:21a murder for hire.

01:12:22Day two of testimony

01:12:24in a high-profile

01:12:25murder trial

01:12:26in Evansville.

01:12:27Today,

01:12:27jurors heard

01:12:28from someone

01:12:29at the center

01:12:29of the case.

01:12:30You know,

01:12:31we're relying heavily

01:12:32on witness testimony,

01:12:33so Mandy,

01:12:34the night of,

01:12:35where is Larry Richmond?

01:12:37Larry's trial,

01:12:38what was that like?

01:12:40Just sad.

01:12:42And the essence

01:12:43of what you said

01:12:44at the stand,

01:12:45what was it?

01:12:47That I didn't know

01:12:48where he was.

01:12:48That you didn't know

01:12:49where he was?

01:12:50That he wasn't

01:12:52at his mom's.

01:12:55Like I said,

01:12:55he came back so fast

01:12:56I didn't think

01:12:57anything of it.

01:12:58So they tell you

01:12:59the phone is pinging

01:13:01at the scene

01:13:02of the crime,

01:13:02and then you see him

01:13:03going into that

01:13:04gas station.

01:13:05What conclusions

01:13:06do you come to?

01:13:08He was going

01:13:09to get cigarettes.

01:13:10I think that she

01:13:11was having problems

01:13:13and maybe still is

01:13:15grasping that

01:13:16he did this,

01:13:18but I just found

01:13:19her to be just

01:13:20honest and open

01:13:21and able to tell

01:13:22the jury her story

01:13:23because she was

01:13:23telling the truth.

01:13:25Larry was never

01:13:27at the Fox Doors'

01:13:28house during the time

01:13:29of the shooting.

01:13:30He was at his mom's

01:13:31house the entire time.

01:13:32Larry was involved

01:13:33with a lot of women,

01:13:34so his phone was

01:13:35constantly ringing,

01:13:36and so mom had said,

01:13:38hey, turn your phone off.

01:13:39Spend time with me,

01:13:40and then he goes

01:13:41to get gas,

01:13:41turns his phone back on,

01:13:43and then we see him

01:13:44at the gas station.

01:13:46This is a circumstantial

01:13:47evidence case,

01:13:48and the evidence

01:13:49was just piled up high

01:13:50against their client.

01:13:52The fates of an

01:13:53Evansville man is now

01:13:54in the hands of a jury.

01:13:55I think they deliberated

01:13:56for around 11 hours or so.

01:14:00We, the jury,

01:14:01find the defendant,

01:14:02Larry Ollie Richmond,

01:14:03guilty of murder.

01:14:07I was hurt.

01:14:09I was sad for Larry

01:14:10because I had,

01:14:11that was not

01:14:12what I had envisioned.

01:14:14I had not envisioned

01:14:15hearing one word.

01:14:16I had envisioned

01:14:17hearing two words.

01:14:18This is, this is the end,

01:14:20and we can finally be able

01:14:21to put this past us

01:14:22and be able to just

01:14:24grieve the way we need to

01:14:26instead of it being

01:14:26thrown in our face

01:14:27constantly.

01:14:29The man convicted

01:14:31of killing an

01:14:31Evansville firefighter

01:14:32seven years ago

01:14:34will spend the rest

01:14:35of his life

01:14:35in prison.

01:14:38Oh, some days

01:14:39I'm mad in hell.

01:14:40It was seven years ago.

01:14:42I have to, like,

01:14:43sometimes I just have

01:14:44to put it in the past

01:14:46and be like,

01:14:46okay, this is where

01:14:47we are now.

01:14:48He does not say

01:14:49he does it.

01:14:50He, to this day,

01:14:51did not do it.

01:14:52Well, then you understand

01:14:54he's lying to you.

01:14:55Right.

01:14:56And himself.

01:14:57People watching this

01:14:58are going to ask

01:14:59what keeps her

01:15:01connected to Larry

01:15:02after everything

01:15:04you've been through.

01:15:15After everything happened,

01:15:16my mom was angry,

01:15:17but she still loved him,

01:15:19and I don't think

01:15:20she has ever

01:15:21stopped loving him.

01:15:23People watching this

01:15:24are going to ask

01:15:25what keeps her

01:15:26connected to Larry

01:15:28after everything

01:15:29you've been through.

01:15:31I think over

01:15:33the course of time,

01:15:35I've been through

01:15:36so many ups and downs

01:15:37with do I believe it,

01:15:39don't I believe it,

01:15:40and then I'm talking

01:15:41to him,

01:15:41and he's convinced me

01:15:42that he didn't do it,

01:15:43and then I get

01:15:44more information,

01:15:45and it's just,

01:15:46I've gone back and forth

01:15:47so many times

01:15:48that I've just decided

01:15:50that he's another

01:15:51human being

01:15:52that God has

01:15:53given me to love.

01:15:54Is he seeing

01:15:55anyone else?

01:15:56I don't know,

01:15:57probably.

01:15:58I hear that's

01:15:59what the inmates do,

01:16:01but I have no way

01:16:02of knowing.

01:16:03I don't ever know.

01:16:04Would that matter

01:16:05to you?

01:16:06No.

01:16:07So you're still

01:16:07sort of together.

01:16:09You're still

01:16:09engaged.

01:16:10Yeah.

01:16:10Well, yeah.

01:16:11Engaged.

01:16:12Yeah.

01:16:13But, yeah.

01:16:14But I'm also,

01:16:18God,

01:16:19I just feel so stupid

01:16:21when I talk about it,

01:16:22but I get what I need

01:16:25from him.

01:16:27From Larry?

01:16:28Yeah.

01:16:29He wants to talk

01:16:30to me in the morning.

01:16:32He wants me to tell him

01:16:34when I'm home,

01:16:34safe from work.

01:16:37He has begged me

01:16:39not to leave him.

01:16:40He says he needs me,

01:16:42and I want to be loved

01:16:44and wanted and needed

01:16:45and all the things.

01:16:47You regret bringing him

01:16:48into your family?

01:16:49I mean,

01:16:51yeah,

01:16:52look at us now.

01:16:59This whole case

01:17:00is built upon one thing,

01:17:01a deleted phone call.

01:17:05I don't know

01:17:06if my life would have

01:17:07unfolded differently

01:17:07if I had just told him

01:17:09about the phone call.

01:17:11They still,

01:17:12I think, honestly,

01:17:13I think I'd still be

01:17:14in the same spot.

01:17:16They would still think

01:17:17that we had had an affair.

01:17:19They would still think

01:17:20that, you know,

01:17:22I conspired.

01:17:24They would,

01:17:25they grabbed a hold of me

01:17:27and didn't let go.

01:17:31Becky was loving.

01:17:32Becky was love.

01:17:34You know?

01:17:35Becky's not evil.

01:17:37Becky's not a monster.

01:17:38Becky's not all these things

01:17:40everybody thinks she is.

01:17:42Do you talk to her?

01:17:43No.

01:17:44I mean,

01:17:44I wrote her a letter

01:17:45and I told her that

01:17:47if it was true

01:17:49that I forgave her

01:17:50and that if it wasn't true

01:17:51that I was sorry

01:17:52this was all happening.

01:17:58This is still

01:17:59very hard to take.

01:18:01I mean,

01:18:01all of this.

01:18:02This.

01:18:08To realize

01:18:09that this is my life.

01:18:12Rob was a sweetheart.

01:18:13He was a good person

01:18:15to everybody.

01:18:20He became my best friend.

01:18:25And

01:18:30I miss him every day.

01:18:43At the Evansville Fire Department,

01:18:45their newest fire truck then,

01:18:46they dedicated that

01:18:47in honor of Robbie.

01:18:51He has a fire engine

01:18:52that will

01:18:53do what he used to do,

01:18:55roll up to the scenes now

01:18:57and protect people

01:18:58and save people's lives.

01:19:02Dad can finally rest.

01:19:05He deserved

01:19:06more than what he got.

01:19:08He deserved

01:19:09not for that to happen.

01:19:15I'll never be able

01:19:16to call him.

01:19:17I'll never get

01:19:18to hear his voice.

01:19:19What is that?

01:19:23I'll never get

01:19:24to hug him again.

01:19:28He should still be here

01:19:32with mine

01:19:33and Lindsay's kids

01:19:34to be a grandparent

01:19:36to these children

01:19:37and

01:19:40they're missing out.

01:19:43We're missing out.

01:19:48It's now yours.

01:19:50I know.

01:19:51It's big.

01:19:58A family still remembering

01:20:00and we should point out

01:20:01that Robbie's wife, Becky,

01:20:02had her appeal denied.

01:20:03Her relationship

01:20:04with son Nathaniel

01:20:05remained strained.

01:20:06He tells us he will

01:20:06never visit her in prison.

01:20:08Meanwhile, David,

01:20:09convicted gunman

01:20:10Larry Richman Sr.

01:20:12declined our interview request

01:20:13but tells us

01:20:14he will appeal

01:20:15his conviction.

01:20:17That's our program

01:20:18for tonight.

01:20:18Thanks for watching.

01:20:19I'm Deborah Roberts.

01:20:20And I'm David Muir

01:20:21from all of us here

01:20:22at 2020 and ABC News.

01:20:24Good night.

01:20:52I'll be right back.

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