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00:00The two of you had an argument.
00:02Yes, ma'am.
00:03The defendant took everything out of the house.
00:07All I wanted to do is get my property back.
00:09He bought it for me.
00:10What?
00:11He bought it as a gift.
00:12I've been in this business for 60 years.
00:14He didn't buy it as a gift.
00:15Do we understand each other?
00:17Yes.
00:18Perfect.
00:19This is Judy Justice.
00:38Thomas Campbell, Jr. is suing his ex-girlfriend, Pamela Turner, for stealing his personal property.
00:46Court come to order.
00:47All rise.
00:50Have a seat, please.
00:53Judge, case 4044, Campbell v. Turner.
00:56You're welcome.
00:57Mr. Campbell, you and Ms. Turner, according to what I read, we were in a 14-year committed relationship.
01:04Live together.
01:05Yes, ma'am.
01:05Do you have children together?
01:07No, ma'am.
01:07Do you have children?
01:08Yes, ma'am.
01:09How many?
01:10One.
01:10And you?
01:11Four.
01:12How old are your children?
01:1423, 22, 20, and 15.
01:16And you work as a long-distance truck driver?
01:19Yes, ma'am.
01:19The home that you were living in, what I assume from the papers, you were advised that the home
01:25that you were living in was being sold, and that you were to vacate the home at the end
01:30of April 2024.
01:32Is that correct?
01:33Yes, ma'am.
01:33Prior to that happening, the two of you had an argument.
01:37Yes, ma'am.
01:38And according to what I read, you had been on the road for a period of time.
01:42Yes, ma'am.
01:43Came home, and one evening you woke up, and Ms. Turner wasn't in bed.
01:48You got up to look for her, and according to what I read, you found her in another room
01:52on the phone, you believe, talking to another man.
01:56Yes, ma'am.
01:57An argument ensued.
01:58Yes, ma'am.
01:59What date was that?
02:00April 23rd, 2024.
02:03Now, you acknowledge, Ms. Turner, that there was an argument on that evening on April 23rd,
02:092024, because you have a counterclaim that talks about that evening, correct?
02:13Yes, ma'am.
02:13That refers to that incident.
02:16Yes.
02:16And counterclaim indicates that there was an argument, and that he broke your phone,
02:22and that he left the house.
02:24Yes.
02:24And according to you, Mr. Campbell, you left the house and were gone for a period of time,
02:29and you went back out on the road.
02:32Yes, ma'am.
02:32When you got back, I don't know what date that was, you found that she was gone from
02:38the house, she and the children, and a lot of the property that was in the house went
02:43with her.
02:43And it is your claim that some of the property that she took was yours because you paid for
02:50it.
02:50Yes, ma'am.
02:51That's your case.
02:52Yes, ma'am.
02:53The defendant says anything that she took that you had paid for were given to her or
03:00her children as gifts.
03:02No, ma'am.
03:02Okay.
03:03So let's start with this.
03:05You lived in a committed, long-term relationship for 14 years.
03:08I don't know why you never married.
03:10I have no idea why you never married.
03:12You want to tell me?
03:13Yes.
03:13In every 10 years, I didn't know he was already married.
03:16Okay.
03:16So of the 14 years that you were together, you didn't know that he was legally married
03:21to someone else.
03:22Yes.
03:23And so this happened after 14 years.
03:27So you found, shh.
03:28So when you found out that he was legally married, you continued to live with him.
03:51Mm-hmm.
03:52Yes, ma'am.
03:53Okay.
03:53Something that you tolerate.
03:55Do you work?
03:56No, ma'am.
03:56When was the last time you worked?
03:58I get Social Security, so I don't work.
04:00You get Social Security disability?
04:02Mm-hmm.
04:03Since when?
04:04Um, 1990.
04:05If you got disability, so did your children.
04:08Yes.
04:09You had four children after you went on disability?
04:12Mm-hmm.
04:13Is that what I'm, I just, I'm trying to process that.
04:17Yes, ma'am.
04:17You had and raised four children after you went on disability.
04:22How old were you when you went on disability?
04:24I was young because I was getting it from my deceased mother.
04:27Well, that's okay.
04:28But you get Social Security disability not from your deceased mother.
04:31Now you're an adult.
04:32That's what I get, that's what I get now.
04:34But you're an adult now.
04:35I still get it.
04:36You want to tell me what that's about?
04:37Do you know?
04:38Yes, I do.
04:39No.
04:40She get disability.
04:41Her father put her own disability, told the psychiatrist that.
04:46You mean she gets disability on her own?
04:49Yes.
04:49Well, now she's an adult, of course.
04:51Yes.
04:51I mean, I've been in this business for 60 years.
04:54If your parent dies prematurely, you can sometimes get disability until you're 21 years old.
05:00They don't give you disability as a minor when you're 40 years old.
05:04So you had to have applied for disability for yourself.
05:08He says you applied for yourself or a parent of yours did, and it was a psychiatric disability.
05:14Yes.
05:15Okay.
05:15Now I got it.
05:16Okay.
05:17So that's why you don't work.
05:18Yes.
05:19And that's a good reason not to get married, because if you marry somebody who is on.
05:23I take the responsibility.
05:24He takes the responsibility.
05:26That means he pays for you.
05:29Now I got the whole thing.
05:30You're always supposed to follow the money trail.
05:32Okay.
05:33Mr. Campbell, so you have to know where I'm coming from, sir.
05:37Yes, ma'am.
05:38Where I'm coming from is that you were in a 14-year relationship with this lady.
05:43Also, I assume, had input into raising some of her young children.
05:48Yes, ma'am.
05:48So you lived like a married couple.
05:50Yes, ma'am.
05:50So when you bought the washer and dryer, the TV, when you bought those things, you bought
05:55them as a couple, because...
05:57May I explain the reason that I'm telling her we had an agreement.
06:03We talked about this because this wasn't the first time that we was going to break up.
06:11What else, sir?
06:13iPad Pro.
06:14Is what you're telling me you bought it for your own use?
06:16Yes, ma'am.
06:17But you didn't take it with you when you left?
06:19No, ma'am.
06:20Why?
06:20Because that night when I left, all I wanted to do was get out of there.
06:25She was trying to provoke me.
06:35Thomas Campbell Jr. claims his ex-girlfriend, Pamela Turner, wrongfully took his personal
06:42property.
06:43Pamela is countersuing for harassment, emotional distress, and the cost of a phone.
06:49Okay, what exactly do you claim that she took that she should not have taken?
06:56I would like you to itemize those things for me.
06:59It was the bed that we sleep in.
07:02Beds?
07:02It was a king bed.
07:04A washer and a dryer.
07:05Did she take any other bedding?
07:07Oh, yes.
07:07She took all the kids' bedroom sets.
07:11She took?
07:11Mm-hmm.
07:12And who bought those?
07:14I did.
07:14Okay, let's start with that.
07:16Ms. Turner?
07:17Yes, ma'am.
07:17The children's bedroom furniture you took with you.
07:22Yes, ma'am.
07:23Because the children, some of them live with you.
07:26Yes.
07:26And who paid for that?
07:29I'm asking for a specific reason.
07:31We both did.
07:32And who paid for the king-size bed that was yours?
07:36We both did.
07:37Okay.
07:38And you took that, too?
07:39Yes.
07:40And what about the washer and dryer who paid for that?
07:43He bought it as a gift.
07:45He bought it?
07:46As a gift.
07:47He didn't buy it as a gift.
07:49He bought it because you lived together.
07:51He bought it.
07:51Okay.
07:52When did he buy it?
07:532021.
07:54I have the bed that you bought within two years.
07:58Is that what you said?
07:59Yes, ma'am.
07:59And the washer and dryer that you bought three years ago.
08:02The washer was two years.
08:04The dryer was one year prior.
08:06One year prior.
08:07So one was three years ago.
08:09One was two years ago.
08:10Yes, ma'am.
08:10Okay.
08:11What else?
08:1175-inch TV.
08:13When was it purchased?
08:14A year ago.
08:15I mean, you have receipts for these things.
08:17Yes, ma'am.
08:18Okay.
08:18And you took that TV.
08:20Yes.
08:20Were there any other TVs that she left?
08:23No.
08:23I also purchased the TVs.
08:26Every TV, every bedroom had a TV in it.
08:29I did not purchase the boy's TV.
08:33He purchased his himself through working with me.
08:35The girl's TV, I did purchase them.
08:38Don't mind that.
08:40They can have that.
08:41The couch, the living room set, the bedroom sets times two.
08:47Purchased all of that.
08:49No, I understand that.
08:50We're going slowly.
08:51The 75-inch TV you purchased.
08:55Yes.
08:55And you have proof of that.
08:57Yes, ma'am.
08:57And you acknowledge that he purchased that.
09:00Yes.
09:00And the other TVs you took with you, the other TVs that were in the kids' bedrooms.
09:05Yes.
09:06Okay.
09:06You took those.
09:07He's not even questioning those, even though he says he purchased all but one of those.
09:11What else, Mr. Campbell?
09:13Freezer, stereo.
09:15Stereo.
09:16When was that purchased?
09:17I got it through a shipper.
09:20I moved furniture with the military, and he didn't want it no more, so I purchased it
09:25from him.
09:26What about the freezer?
09:27Freezer, I purchased it from another shipper.
09:29It came about four or five years ago.
09:32Not interested in it.
09:33Not worth anything.
09:34So we're talking about a king-size bed.
09:37Yes, ma'am.
09:38We're talking about a 75-inch television and a two- and three-year-old washer and dryer.
09:44Yes, ma'am.
09:44And other than that, the defendant took everything else out of the house?
09:50Did she leave anything?
09:52No, ma'am.
09:52She left trash.
09:53She left everything.
09:54Other than the trash?
09:55Any other than trash?
09:56She left furniture.
09:56She left a lot of furniture.
09:58What furniture did she leave?
09:59She left in our bedroom.
10:01It was old stuff.
10:02It was a dresser, two chest of drawers, just a lot of little items.
10:06In my office, display case, desk, bookcase.
10:12She left?
10:13Dining room, dining room table.
10:15She left?
10:16Yes, ma'am.
10:16Okay.
10:17So you have your office furniture.
10:19You have the dining, whatever the dining room furniture is.
10:21Are you using it now?
10:22Are you still in the house?
10:23No.
10:24No.
10:24It's stored.
10:25That furniture is stored?
10:26Mm-hmm.
10:27Okay.
10:27So we're really talking about the king-size bed and three other things.
10:31When was the king-size bed purchased?
10:33I want to say three years.
10:35Two.
10:36It might have been two.
10:37Can I see the bill for it, please?
10:38Yes, ma'am.
10:43I'm sorry, sir.
10:45Did you purchase another bed, sir?
10:47I'm displaced right now.
10:49I'm with my brother.
10:50You're living with your brother?
10:51Yes, ma'am.
10:52Are you going to stay there?
10:53No, ma'am.
10:54These are some of them trying to get in my own.
10:56Okay.
10:56You have the receipt for this mattress from Mattress Firm?
11:00I have a partial payment.
11:01It's a two-part payment.
11:03I paid $1,000 off my capital money.
11:04He paid the rest.
11:05Just a second.
11:06Is that correct?
11:07That is correct.
11:08Well, I don't know how to handle that, sir.
11:10So I'm not dealing with a three-year-old mattress where each of you contributed to it.
11:15That's it.
11:16Let's get to the washer and dryer.
11:17Who paid for that?
11:19I did.
11:20Alone?
11:20Alone.
11:21Okay.
11:22Can I see the bill for that?
11:33Okay.
11:33You have the washer?
11:35Yes.
11:35Washer was purchased in 2021, and it was purchased for $900 in 2021.
11:42Judge, can I correct you on that?
11:44It was purchased.
11:46We bought the floor model.
11:48It was purchased in October, delivery October 2021.
11:52Yes, ma'am.
11:52But what happened was we brought it back because something was wrong with it.
11:58And then when I had to go back and get another one, it was $1,200.
12:02All I have is this.
12:03Okay.
12:04All I have is this.
12:05And it's depreciated in value now.
12:07You can't sell it.
12:08You can't do anything with it.
12:10Okay?
12:10So I have to figure it out.
12:12I could get it back.
12:13That's all I wanted to do is get my property back.
12:15Oh, well, that's fine.
12:17So you want the washing machine?
12:19I want the washer to dry the bed.
12:21Just a second.
12:21And what about the dryer?
12:23Yes, ma'am.
12:23I purchased it.
12:24I'd like to see it.
12:25It was...
12:26Did you contribute towards the washing machine?
12:29Uh-uh.
12:29Okay.
12:39Well, this is from Rent-A-Center.
12:41The reason that is is we paid it off.
12:44The washer went out.
12:45I went and bought the new washer.
12:47The dryer was still good.
12:49This is 2018.
12:50Where is the new dryer?
12:52That was the dryer that was left over.
12:54So you want the dryer that's seven years old?
12:58It worked.
12:58All I'm asking you is, do you want it?
13:00Yes, ma'am.
13:01Did you pay anything towards this dryer?
13:04I can't prove it, but yeah.
13:06Because he was...
13:07I was going in Rent-A-Center.
13:09We was renting it, leasing it.
13:10So I would go make payments,
13:12or he would go make payments.
13:13So we both was doing that.
13:14Okay.
13:15So far, you're being very honest with me.
13:17He owns the washing machine, not the dryer,
13:19not the bed, because you paid part of it.
13:21Now let's get to the 75-inch television set.
13:24Who purchased that?
13:25I did.
13:26When?
13:27It was about a year ago.
13:29You have the receipt for it?
13:30No.
13:31She had it.
13:32May I see it?
13:32I don't have the receipt.
13:33Who paid for it?
13:35He did.
13:36Okay.
13:36TV, washing machine.
13:38What else, sir?
13:39iPad Pro.
13:40Okay.
13:41The iPad Pro was purchased...
13:441406.
13:45No, 1403 is what it cost.
13:47April of 2021.
13:49And what did you do with it when you bought it?
13:51I used it in the truck for my logs.
13:54Is what you're telling me you bought it for your own use?
13:56Yes, ma'am.
13:57Okay.
13:58But you didn't take it with you when you left?
14:00No, ma'am.
14:01Why?
14:01Because that night when I left,
14:04all I wanted to do was get out of there.
14:05She was trying to provoke me.
14:09You allege that he broke your phone?
14:12Yes, ma'am.
14:12He threw it away?
14:13He threw it away?
14:14Yes.
14:15His sister called me a week later and said,
14:16go get my phone out the garbage can.
14:18Did you throw away the other phone?
14:30Thomas Campbell Jr.
14:32has accused his ex-girlfriend,
14:35Pamela Turner,
14:36of wrongfully taking his personal property.
14:39Pamela is countersuing Thomas,
14:41claiming he broke her phone
14:42and harassed her.
14:44Now, when you were out on the road
14:46because you said you had just come back
14:48from being on the road,
14:49listen to me.
14:50Don't anticipate my question.
14:52When you came back from being on the road,
14:54did you bring the iPad Pro with you?
14:57Not that day.
14:57Who was using it?
14:59Nobody.
15:00Was it on your desk?
15:03Where was it?
15:04In the office, more than likely.
15:06Okay.
15:06Ms. Turner,
15:08let's talk about the iPad Pro.
15:10Yes, I do have it.
15:11He bought it for me.
15:13We went to Best Buy.
15:15Okay.
15:15Where he got the washer.
15:17Okay, very good.
15:17He's getting back
15:18the 75-inch television set.
15:20He's getting back
15:21the washing machine
15:23and the iPad Pro.
15:24Those three things.
15:26Not the king bed.
15:27You contributed to that.
15:28I'm having nothing to do with it.
15:31This is not a divorce proceeding,
15:32and I'm not dividing what was this.
15:35He's getting back the TV,
15:37the washing machine,
15:38and the iPad Pro.
15:39And you understand,
15:40where do you come from?
15:42Oh, I'm in Florida.
15:43From Florida.
15:44Okay.
15:45So you understand how you got here,
15:47the logistics of how you got here.
15:48Okay?
15:49He's going to have an order.
15:51We're going to hold up any monies
15:53for you, your witness, anybody else.
15:55Until those items,
15:56if he wants them,
15:57he has five days
15:59from the day you get back to Florida.
16:00I assume you're going to be back
16:02to Florida by Friday.
16:03No, ma'am.
16:03Correct?
16:04No, ma'am.
16:04I am still loading in San Diego.
16:07You're loading in San Diego,
16:08but she lives in Florida.
16:09I live in Florida.
16:10Well, you have to make arrangements
16:12to get this property.
16:14He's getting back,
16:14not everything,
16:16but he's getting back the TV,
16:17the washing machine,
16:18and the iPad Pro.
16:19I assume those things are in your home.
16:22Is that correct?
16:23Yes.
16:24Good.
16:24He's going to get them back.
16:25I will give you a date certain
16:27in an order.
16:28He has to make arrangements
16:29to get them back.
16:30When are you going to be back
16:31in Florida?
16:33November 10th.
16:33By November 15th,
16:35everything will be held
16:36until that is done.
16:37So by the 15th of November,
16:40he is going to make arrangements
16:41to have those things picked up
16:43from your home.
16:44Got it?
16:44He has an order.
16:46Everything else is going to be held up.
16:47Your money, her money,
16:49everything else is going to be held up
16:50until he gets his things.
16:51Do we understand each other?
16:52Yes.
16:53Perfect.
16:53Okay, now we have a counterclaim.
16:55We have a counterclaim
16:56because on the 23rd,
16:59he broke your phone.
17:00It wasn't the 23rd.
17:02It was the 18th.
17:03And I have the police incident report.
17:05The 18th?
17:06Of April.
17:07Whatever it is,
17:08you allege that he broke your phone.
17:11Yes, ma'am.
17:11What kind of phone?
17:13A Samsung phone.
17:14No, ma'am.
17:15No, ma'am.
17:17He threw it away?
17:19Yes.
17:19His sister called me a week later
17:20and said,
17:21go get my phone out the garbage can.
17:22Ma'am, I paid for the phone.
17:24I don't care whether you paid for it or not.
17:27I purchased.
17:28Did you purchase the Samsung phone?
17:31I have a Samsung A15.
17:33Did you purchase the phone that he took?
17:38No, the phone that he took,
17:39it was a government phone.
17:40It was a government phone?
17:42Yes.
17:42I don't know how to figure that out.
17:44And I had to get this one
17:45where he threw that one away.
17:46Yeah, I get what you're telling me.
17:49Did you throw away the other phone?
17:51I put it in trash.
17:52Okay.
17:52It was a Samsung?
17:53What kind of phone?
17:54Yes, it was a Samsung,
17:56but it was one of them $39 phone.
17:58Was it a government-issued phone?
18:00Yes, ma'am.
18:00She didn't pay nothing for it.
18:02Well, what she had to do
18:03is she had to replace it.
18:04Okay.
18:05What's the cheapest phone you can buy, Sarah?
18:10I see one for $199.
18:13Great.
18:13Very good.
18:14Okay.
18:15On the 15th of November,
18:17the order will read
18:18that you will pick up your TV,
18:19the washing machine,
18:20and the iPad Pro.
18:22And on the counterclaim,
18:23I am awarding her $199,
18:26and that's for the phone
18:27that you threw away.
18:28We're done.
18:29Thank you very much.
18:31This court is adjourned.
18:34Didn't get everything I wanted.
18:36I wanted my bed,
18:38but, you know,
18:39she had her opinion,
18:41I have mine.
18:42He knew that I had to move.
18:43That's why he walked away
18:45because he didn't want to help.
18:46We had an agreement
18:48that she wouldn't take it,
18:49you know, like,
18:51she had enough.
18:52You know,
18:53the stuff that was purchased,
18:54she could have just went on,
18:56went on about her life.
18:57That's all I want.
18:58He didn't have the money to help,
18:59and now he's trying to find a way
19:01for somebody to help him
19:02get money from me,
19:03but it's okay.
19:04It's just part ways,
19:05I'm done.
19:06Yes, it's better
19:06when we're not together.
19:09Okay, so you've heard it before.
19:11We're going to have to hear it again.
19:13I think that if you have
19:15a disability for 34 years
19:17so that the government
19:19is supporting you,
19:20and because of that disability,
19:22in addition to you,
19:23they're going to send a check
19:25to your minor children
19:27for 34 years.
19:29I don't understand
19:30how you have a disability
19:33and have four children
19:35who are grown
19:36that live with you.
19:38I mean, that, you know,
19:39that you raised.
19:40It's mind-boggling to me
19:41how dysfunctional
19:43the government is.
19:45It's just mind-boggling to me.
19:47So, I mean, I...
19:48It's a very long time.
19:49It's a very long time.
19:50And a lot of life to live,
19:51having four children,
19:52raising them all.
19:53I've seen it.
19:54I've seen it with family members
19:55raising four children.
19:56I can't imagine a situation
19:58in which the government
19:59is paying you disability
20:00and you're still able
20:00to do all of those things.
20:02Right.
20:02And the second thing is,
20:04you know, I usually,
20:06when people have lived together
20:07for this long,
20:08don't get involved
20:09in separating stuff.
20:11Except if you're a hustler.
20:13Yeah.
20:14But I sort of felt sorry for him.
20:15He was really the wage earner
20:18for 14 years.
20:19I mean, he knew
20:20what the situation was with her.
20:21And so she contributed some.
20:23I'm sure not as much as he does
20:25as a long-term trucker.
20:26But she took what she needed
20:28and the good stuff
20:29and left him.
20:30Yeah.
20:31Again, I'm surprised
20:31you even went into
20:32the minutiae detail
20:34of separating.
20:34I did.
20:35Only because we never even
20:37got into whether or not
20:38he had an opportunity
20:39to return to the home
20:40to take any of those belongings
20:42if he had wished.
20:43So I was curious
20:44as to whether or not,
20:45number one,
20:45he even had that opportunity
20:46or if the locks
20:47had already been changed
20:48since they were supposed
20:49to move out of the home.
20:50So why didn't you take
20:52the property at that point
20:53if you had the opportunity?
20:54And then also,
20:56you know,
20:56I was just surprised
20:57you even went into
20:58the splitting
20:59after 14 years of living together.
21:00I usually do not.
21:01But, you know,
21:02that piece of it,
21:04that first piece of it
21:05made my eyes twirl.
21:07He got his things back.
21:08He got some of his things back.
21:10Nothing is clean cut
21:11after 14 years
21:12of living together.
21:13I am still trying
21:14to absorb
21:1534 years
21:17as a child,
21:18starting as a child,
21:19with Social Security disability.
21:21And you grow up
21:23and you have four kids.
21:24You know,
21:24this money.
21:25You know,
21:26I don't have to worry.
21:26I can do whatever else
21:27I want to do.
21:28But I have this
21:29couple of thousand dollars a month
21:31that's sort of free money.
21:33Well, can't really do
21:34whatever else.
21:35Can't really do
21:35whatever else you want to do.
21:39Are you a victim of a scam?
21:40Go to JudyJustice.TV.
22:20Go to JudyJustice.TV
22:23Go to JudyJustice.TV
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