00:00They both do have this fear.
00:03I don't know that Joe really moves towards confronting that fear.
00:08I think in many ways, one of the central things for him is his relationship with his wife
00:15and something that she may have experienced that he doesn't really want to acknowledge.
00:20And it's more about how we create stories or justify our own behavior and actions
00:29to make us feel that we are confronting or addressing these issues that we're not.
00:34And that's so much of what I think maybe many of us experienced at that time.
00:40So I think that's what I was focusing on.
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