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04:46because I expected it to happen even decades ago.
04:50To be very specific, the Israelis did say
04:53they wanted to create the conditions on the ground
04:55for that to happen.
04:56The leadership obviously belongs to the Iranian people,
04:59but the U.S. did say that they could not work
05:01with the Ayatollah, and in fact, his debt.
05:03They also say the Ayatollah Jr.,
05:06that's how the Trump administration refers to the sun,
05:09is an unacceptable choice.
05:10And they also say they're in talks
05:12with more reasonable people.
05:14So from the outside, it does look like a form of regime change.
05:18And I wonder, who are reasonable people for you?
05:20Do you have any names in hand?
05:22No, I do not believe any figure
05:27in the existing Islamic Republic of Iran to be trustworthy.
05:33No one, not even the head of the parliament, none of them.
05:36You say that that will not work?
05:38Of course not.
05:39No, no, there are butchers of Iranian people.
05:44More than a month ago, in January,
05:45they killed 32,000 people in 48 hours.
05:50They are bushers of the Iranian people.
05:53They are criminals.
05:54They are a bunch of criminals.
05:55We do not trust any of them.
05:58For us Iranian people, including Kurdish people,
06:01we are for a democratic, secular Iran.
06:04And Iran that respects the rights of Kurds and other nationalities.
06:11And that respects democracy, that respects human rights,
06:15that respects international law.
06:17None of these figures in Iranian regime, existing regime,
06:21can achieve that, can be even near to that code.
06:25So then I wonder, if it's not from people already in Tehran,
06:28because they do not work for you,
06:29and you say it will not lead to a democratic, secular Iran,
06:32what about the opposition?
06:34Who is acceptable in the opposition?
06:35Because we are not seeing opposition externally,
06:38and there are no protests in Iran.
06:40That's not happening either.
06:41There are credible oppositions inside and outside the country.
06:48Kurds are one of them.
06:49In fact, one of the main opposition forces for the past 47 years.
06:55We started, we were against this regime.
06:58We did not accept the Islamic regime of Iran from the outset.
07:04And we are still fighting for our rights and for democracy in Iran.
07:08There are also Balochis, there are also Azerbaijanis, Arabs, Persian people.
07:14People started protest movements many, many times in the past decades.
07:20So the Iranian regime has lost all vestiges of credibility and legitimacy.
07:28What road do you see for the Europeans?
07:30Are you satisfied with the messaging coming out of Europe?
07:33In a way, they talk about de-escalating, going back to diplomacy,
07:36and at some point helping out to open the Strait of Hormuz,
07:40but not in the hot face of the war?
07:41Is that a message that you can abide to?
07:45Europeans have pursued a policy of appeasement for decades now towards Iran.
07:50And it's a bankrupt policy.
07:52Iran is a menace, not only for the United States,
07:55not only for Israel, not only for Arab countries in the region.
07:58It is a menace.
08:00It is a terrorist threat against Europeans as well.
08:04They should be more decisive.
08:07They should be more clear.
08:09They should join the United States in its effort to curb the Iranian influence
08:15and put an end to a regime that is a menace, a threat to its own people,
08:23to the region, and to the West.
08:25They are anti-American, they are anti-West, they are anti-everybody in the region.
08:30So just so I understand, what you're saying is they should fight this war directly?
08:34They should engage militarily?
08:36I'm not deciding for them, but they should put pressure on Iran.
08:41They shouldn't go for de-escalation with a regime that is a threat to everybody
08:49and to the international community.
08:52They should join, if not militarily, at least politically and economically.
08:58They should join force to put an end to this regime and help the Iranian people.
09:05That's what we expect the Europeans to do.
09:07So in that sense, when President Trump is critical of the Europeans
09:10and he says they're not helping enough, is he right?
09:13I'm speaking from the standpoint of the Iranian and the Kurdish people in Iran.
09:18We expect the Europeans to help the Iranian people, to help the Kurdish people,
09:23to help women, ethnic groups, religious minorities, everybody else.
09:29We are under pressure by, we have been under pressure and repression
09:33by the Iranian regime for decades now.
09:36Where are Europeans?
09:37Where are the human rights articles?
09:42They should have been more active, more pro-democracy in Iran,
09:48more pro-people and less they should decouple with Iran.
09:54They should put an end to the appeasement policy of appeasement.
09:59Yes.
09:59So when you look at countries like Spain, I'm just wondering,
10:03the Spanish prime minister, what does that evoke to you?
10:06Because he said this war is illegal.
10:07Europe cannot join because this war is illegal.
10:09Massacre is, is massacre legal?
10:12Is terrorism legal?
10:14Iranians, the Iranian regime boasted a couple of years ago
10:18that they control five capitals in the region.
10:23And they, they are, they have organized and financed and armed many proxies, terrorist groups in the whole Middle East.
10:35They are trying to annihilate Israel.
10:38They're trying to expel the United States and the West from the region.
10:42They're reshaping the, the region in according to their, to their adventurous illusions.
10:51So it's time for the Europeans to, to put an end to this policy of appeasement and take a more
11:01active pro-Iranian anti-regime policy.
11:06And let me ask you just as a final question.
11:08The other big regional power, of course, is Turkey.
11:11Have you had any communications with President Erdogan?
11:15Of course, there's also been multiple reports that he does not want to see this war escalate
11:19and that he also doesn't really see a role for you.
11:22Are you having any direct communications or if not back channel dialogue with the Turkish?
11:25Yeah, we've been trying to assure Turkey that we have no bad intentions against Turkey.
11:32We can be friends.
11:33We can be good neighbors, both in Iran and in Iranian Kurdistan with Turkey.
11:39So we are doing no harms to them.
11:41There is no reason for them to be concerned about intent, our intentions and our policies in Iranian Kurdistan.
11:49Okay.
11:49Well, on that note, thank you so much for joining us on Euronews.
11:52Good to see you and thanks for your time.
11:55Thank you.
11:55Good to see you.
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