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00:03Connor. Yes. We hear you love languages and accents. Other than Russian, what's your favorite?
00:10Ooh, I'm kind of always switching between languages. Right now, I really want to learn
00:16Spanish. I'm from West Texas, so I've always heard Spanish. And living in LA, there's Spanish
00:21everywhere. So it doesn't feel very, like, exotic to me because I've heard it my whole life. But
00:28I think it's sexy. Spanish is muy sexy. Yes, I think Colombian Spanish, I think, is the
00:36sexiest language there is. I like the traditional Spain Spanish. Spain Spanish. Vamos a la playa
00:41de Barcelona. Barcelona. Con Javier Baedén. Yeah. In Vanela Vicruz. Ana de Armas. Ana de Armas.
00:50She's Cuban, right? She's Cuban. Okay. Pretty girl. Okay. This year marks 20 years since
00:55Brokeback Mountain. Are there any MM romance movies, shows, or books that have really stuck
01:00with you, either growing up or recently? Well, I love Brokeback Mountain. It was one of the first
01:04things that you told me. Yeah. Yeah. I love, um, Keith Ledger plays Ennis. I still think it's
01:10his best work. I think that was one of the first pivotal ones when you have two leading
01:14men, um, take on, you know, gay cowboys. It's pretty bold. But then, you know, you have Call
01:20Me By Your Name, um, Moonlight, I think with Barry Jenkins saying, bringing the art house
01:25to the hood is what he said. That was already just a beautiful juxtaposition. And then having,
01:32you know, he said he wanted to redefine masculinity with that movie, which I thought was so cool.
01:36Yeah. Call Me By Your Name, I think was like pretty revolutionary. Yeah. Yeah. I was in high
01:41school at that time. And I remember that being the first thing, um, that felt like it was really
01:46a part of the cultural zeitgeist. Um, and it also handled like, it also handled queer stories
01:52in a really cool way where it was so under the surface and it made it so human, you know,
01:59um, which I think also was kind of like a moonlight scenario where we're taking these people in
02:04such a specific time and place and, um, like letting them explore love. Right. What does
02:10smut mean to you? I'm going to try to make an acronym. Sexy. This is going to be in relation
02:19to, um, into Ember and Ice. Um, sexy, magic, um, universe. T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T, T
02:33-T-T-T-T.
02:35T-T-T-T-T-T-T. T-T-T. T-T-T-T-T-T. T-T-T-T
02:38-T-T-T-T-T-T. T-T-T-T-T-T-T.
02:39I have no idea. What did I say? Sexy, magic, universe.
02:44Universe. Um, titillating. Yeah.
02:48Yeah, we'll do that, titillating.
02:51Oh, you very publicly shot your shot for Nightwing,
02:56which was extremely fun to watch.
02:58Have you been a DC fan,
02:59and what is it like to see fans instantly rally behind you,
03:02especially the ones that say you have the face,
03:04the talent, and the butt?
03:05I will be completely honest.
03:08When I saw some fan art of you as Nightwing,
03:12I was blown away.
03:13Whoa.
03:14Like, I mean, you never know
03:17if that's gonna come to fruition or not,
03:18but when I see someone did you in the comic book style,
03:22I was like, I see it right away.
03:24Wow.
03:25Yeah, I would love to play him.
03:26I love DC, I loved all comic books
03:33that were true to the source material,
03:37and I think there are a lot of good filmmakers
03:41who bring their own style to these beloved comics.
03:47that I think it would be really great to work with them.
03:49You know, I'm not fully set on Nightwing.
03:52You know, I'm open to other things.
03:54Did you always want to be in, like,
03:57did, is superheroes?
03:58Superheroes?
03:59No.
03:59Is that always something that's been like,
04:00I need to do that?
04:01Absolutely not.
04:02It's just, it's when really good filmmaker,
04:05it's filmmaker driven.
04:06So when, like, a guy like James Gunn or Matt Reeves,
04:10you know, comes to comics,
04:12I think that's what draws me.
04:15And, and I heard James Gunn is doing the Teen Titans.
04:18I know there's, yeah, but, yeah.
04:21James Gunn, he's in love with you.
04:23True or false, Hudson is more like Ilya in real life,
04:26and Connor is more like Shane.
04:28I think me and you are both like Rose.
04:32And I'm like Svetlana.
04:33I just said, me and you are both like Rose.
04:36But I'm just, I'm just parting ways.
04:38That's so Svetlana for you to say.
04:41I don't know.
04:42I mean, maybe I do feel like Ilya.
04:45I don't know.
04:46I think that I, I'm, I'm too sensitive
04:50or outwardly sensitive or don't have a lot of shame
04:52around emotion to be Ilya.
04:54I could be a little cocky like Ilya.
04:56But beyond that, it's like, I think Shane and Ilya
05:00sort of share us, you know, a soulfulness
05:03that's kind of buried under all these, you know,
05:06walls and kind of masks.
05:09But I think, I think underneath that,
05:11what we both relate with both of them is,
05:14you know, the, the heart and, and, and their soul.
05:17After wrapping Heated Rivalry,
05:19you two got matching tattoos that say sex sales.
05:22And if true, how did that happen?
05:24Um, I, did I have a reason for coming up to Vancouver?
05:27I just wanted to come see you.
05:29Yeah, come hang out.
05:29Am I not good enough?
05:31Come on.
05:31Yeah, I just, I don't know why for a second I was like,
05:33I have something to do up there.
05:35I have nothing to do in Vancouver.
05:37I was there.
05:38So, yeah, I just went up to see,
05:41I just came up to see you.
05:43We knew we wanted to get matching tattoos.
05:44I hadn't gotten a tattoo in forever.
05:46Um, and we were just shuffling through ideas.
05:49And yeah, we did it.
05:51I think you came up with sex sales.
05:52But like, we were both pitching ideas.
05:54For like days.
05:55And then one person would like them.
05:56The other person wouldn't.
05:57And then when you said sex sales, I was like, oh.
05:59We were sold.
06:00That's the first idea you've had.
06:01That's good.
06:01I think it's honestly my most well done tattoo as well.
06:04Damn.
06:04So that feels good.
06:05The front of my shin.
06:07Pull in here.
06:08Zoom in.
06:09Yes.
06:11True or false.
06:12You ate a pound of beef, of ground beef a day while filming.
06:15Heated Rivalry.
06:17True.
06:18Um, Connor told me what his routine was.
06:20And after I saw him in person, um, I asked him how he got to that size.
06:25I thought he was taking illicit substances.
06:27He wasn't.
06:28He does it super clean.
06:29Sorry I mentioned illicit substances.
06:32Um, but he.
06:33I have nothing to hide.
06:34Bring it on.
06:34But he was so.
06:37And just like.
06:39So I was like, what are you eating freak?
06:43And I was like, I'm eating.
06:46And he just couldn't speak and he just kept doing that.
06:48And I was like, I think that means ground beef.
06:50Um.
06:51You're like that level of capability is what I need.
06:54Yeah.
06:54And then Connor was actually the person who put me onto fiber.
06:56Because if you need to eat the protein you want to get, you know, iliac cheeks, um,
07:02and chest, you need so much fiber just so your stomach doesn't shut down and you go into cardiac arrest
07:09and you get carried out from your, your little workout on a stretcher with some, you know, pumped up pecs
07:15and a shut down.
07:16You look.
07:17You look good.
07:18Digestive system.
07:18It's really unfortunate if it ends that way.
07:20Yeah.
07:20Yeah.
07:21I actually, um, I'm going to one up this true or false.
07:24I actually think that we ate more than a pound of beef.
07:27Yeah.
07:27Because a pound of beef only has, I think, 84 grams of protein.
07:30And you need a solid 200 for our size and shape.
07:35So sometimes I can eat two pounds of ground beef a day.
07:38Plus like 10 eggs.
07:40Yeah.
07:40And so many salads.
07:41I was having so much salad.
07:42Cause by the end I got like gained 10 pounds.
07:45So like when I started shooting, I was like, and then by the end I was like 10 pounds heavier.
07:49And it was because of ground beef.
07:50Yeah.
07:51You, I mean, you're very inspiring.
07:52I'm glad that we had each other because it would have been really hard to be motivated if, you know,
07:57we were going back to our-
07:5812 hour days and then the gym.
08:00And then like going back to a residence, like alone.
08:02It's really, it's nice that I got to be like,
08:05Hey son, let's go to gym.
08:07And we would go from a fucking 11 hour day skating lesson.
08:11And Connor would go, let's do legs.
08:13And I, and I looked him, he's a madman.
08:15That's how he has a butt.
08:16He'll finish a skating lesson that takes four hours and then go legs now.
08:21And I was like, what are you saying?
08:23Okay.
08:24I knew I had a responsibility to the people.
08:28He's America's ass.
08:30And I, I take that very seriously.
08:33Romance readers are famously passionate about book adaptations.
08:37Did you feel any pressure bringing a beloved story to life?
08:39And how did you approach making the characters your own?
08:42It's good.
08:42I think to go into a project accepting that, you know, people might be disappointed,
08:49especially with something like a book where everyone already has preconceived notions.
08:52They've envisioned, they've envisioned these characters.
08:54They've drawn these characters.
08:56They've gotten tattoos of these characters.
08:58Like the love is already there so much that ultimately someone is going to be disappointed.
09:04All you can do is, is read the material as much as you possibly can.
09:09Yeah.
09:11And, and respect it.
09:13Show the respect.
09:14Show the dedication.
09:15And just hope that people, you know, connect with it and love it and see that enthusiasm.
09:19I think we both had that level of whether you want to call it nihilism or not.
09:24Like people might just hate this.
09:26People might hate your casting or they might hate my casting.
09:28I'm not going to expect anything more.
09:31And I'm just going to do the best I can.
09:33But you have really no metric of if people are going to be warm to your, your take.
09:39I really think at the end of the day, all you can do is be really intentional.
09:43Give it a hundred and fifty percent.
09:46Yeah.
09:46Just go for it, you know.
09:48And luckily for us, this worked out really frickin' well.
09:52Woo!
09:55Hudson, we have heard rumors about a very serious multi-step Korean skincare routine.
10:00Can you break it down for us?
10:01It's not that lengthy.
10:02Yeah.
10:03I always made fun of you for it too, because I like, honestly, I'm just kind of jealous because you
10:07have really good skin.
10:09But I was like, yeah, your skin routine.
10:11And then it's actually not that long, huh?
10:13It's not that long.
10:14It's okay.
10:15I'm going to tell you.
10:16In the morning, I use water to cleanse my face.
10:19Warm water.
10:20And then I put on a glow toner, but it's pretty dry.
10:25It's not like, I don't like when people have like dewy skin.
10:27Like if I see someone that looks like they just wore a face mask, I'm like, why are you out
10:30right now?
10:31Like, go wipe that off and then come talk to me because I won't right now.
10:35And then, so my toner, and then I'll put on a serum and then sunscreen.
10:41And then sometimes instead of a serum, I put on a moisturizer.
10:45And then my PM routine is an oil cleanser, you know, to get out these blackheads, to get the gunk
10:51out.
10:52And then I'll either use like a CeraVe normal ass cleanser or I'll use like a pore shrinking cleanser.
10:59That's their new, that's their new slogan.
11:01CeraVe normal ass cleanser.
11:05I think that is.
11:06I, yeah, I also.
11:08And then like a pore shrink or a pore shrinking cleanser if that's my goal.
11:11And then the same thing, toner, serum, and then either a retinol or a salicylic acid.
11:16And then I go to fucking sleep.
11:19So I think everyone in the studio agrees that was a lot.
11:23Well, I will also say, I mean, it makes sense.
11:26You have flawless skin, so.
11:28And then when I take it off, it just falls apart.
11:31Yeah.
11:31He unhooks the, he unhooks the clip back here.
11:34The clip in the back.
11:35Keeps it all up.
11:36Connor.
11:37Yes.
11:38Story.
11:38Yes.
11:39Do you have a favorite spicy scene from Heated Rivalry and a favorite from Ember and Ice?
11:43What makes those stand out for you?
11:44My favorite spicy scene from Ember and Ice is actually a scene where Dane is with two
11:50former lovers, Cassandra and Elijah.
11:54Yep.
11:58I need you to, I need you to be here with me.
12:01Okay.
12:02Um, Dane has an interaction with two of his former lovers.
12:07Um, after having been with Finn for some time.
12:11And, uh, yeah, not to spoil, but he, he ends up realizing that what, what really works for
12:18him isn't working for him anymore.
12:20And it's kind of this moment of identity loss and, you know, what, what pleases me isn't
12:25pleasing me the same.
12:26I think that's really cool.
12:28Cause it's also, it's, cause it's cool cause it's like sexy and spicy, but it also is really
12:33revealing of the character and the connection and where he's at, you know?
12:36Um, and I think it's funny.
12:38I think I remember Dane saying something about, um, he's like, he's like, and then the next
12:43thing I did was I just had to come up with a, an excuse.
12:46And then he's like, he's like, my friends, I have bad news.
12:50I have a lot from Ember and Ice, but one is the lake scene where we kind of go in
12:56together
12:56and you kind of coax it out of me without spoiling too much.
12:59Um, I think that one's just, you know, a lot of times like the intimacy before intimacy,
13:04I think it has more of a charge in a way.
13:06Uh, that one really got me, um, frothing at the mouth and heated rivalry, favorite intimate
13:14scene.
13:15There was one that was really fun to film.
13:17Do you remember filming the stair step scene when we're like kissing against the glass and
13:21our lips never come apart.
13:23Me and you were like, do people do this?
13:25Do people?
13:26I know it's always a fun balance, right?
13:28Of like when you're filming, um, separate from like the audio space, when you're filming,
13:34it's like how much of it is fun TV and then how much of it is like, is like true
13:41sex.
13:41Cause at the end of the day, you know, you do have in real life, people do have those,
13:45those like movie moments where you're like, you know, and you're like, yeah, yeah.
13:49And then everyone on set was like, oh yeah, no, we, I've done that.
13:52And then Connor and I were like, oh, we usually fold our clothes, place them down,
13:57then go upstairs naked and go sex now.
14:01Sex now?
14:01Sex now?
14:02I'm robot.
14:03Plug me in.
14:05True or false, Hudson's roommates once kept a mooning tally of how many times he flashed
14:11them.
14:11Do you know?
14:13How many times?
14:14I know that you, I've, yeah, I remember this.
14:16Yep.
14:16It was true.
14:17It was one roommate.
14:18Um, and I, I mooned him 31 times.
14:23What was his reaction when you mooned him?
14:25Was he like, Hudson?
14:27Hudson.
14:28Her poor name was Chelsea.
14:30I, I, I've talked with her and Chelsea has been like, you can say my name.
14:33And I was like, so I've since talked about this since.
14:36Double consent.
14:37Uh, double consent.
14:38Um, and, uh, poor Chelsea would just go, I think her main reaction was like, oh, Hudson,
14:45ah, and it made me so happy.
14:50Where, where is Chelsea now?
14:52And I, I, I developed different techniques over the years.
14:55Um, she's chilling.
14:57She's got a cat that's like hanging off her walls.
14:59Um, but I would go and I'd do like a drive by.
15:01I had all these different techniques.
15:03Uh, and then she would bring like other, you know, um, romantic interests home.
15:07And then they're like, what's this tally up on the board?
15:10And they're like, oh, that's how many times Hudson, my roommate has mooned me.
15:14And they were like, would you just like kind of butt crack it or would you full cheek?
15:18So I had one where I would get pants low, like I would de-pants and she would be unassuming,
15:24like maybe on her phone on the couch and I would run by and jump in the air.
15:28So I was like a, like, like a, like a literal moon, a literal moon, but in fast motion.
15:34Sometimes I would just do the like, oh, drop something before we leave.
15:38Bend and I'm right there.
15:39Gotcha.
15:40Oh God.
15:41The airborne moon is crazy.
15:43Yes.
15:44No, they, they got very athletic.
15:45But we need to clarify, if you were going to moon someone, make it a close friend.
15:49Chelsea is still my close friend.
15:51And make it, make it known that this is okay.
15:53Yep.
15:54She got a hood out of it.
15:55Do not moon people you don't know in places it's not okay.
16:00Hudson, as an Asian actor leading such a hugely popular queer romance,
16:04what kind of stories or roles are you excited for more people to see you in going forward?
16:08Hmm.
16:10Yeah.
16:11I, I wanna, I wanna represent my, my Wayans out there.
16:15You know, um, I have been declared.
16:19Do you know about this?
16:20Mm-mm.
16:21I'm declared the, I think princess or prince of Wayja.
16:25Me.
16:26I mean, I, I sign off on it.
16:28Okay.
16:28I think you.
16:29He's the final stamp off guy for this.
16:32So, uh.
16:32Yeah.
16:33I'm the, I'm the ambassador of Wayja as a fully, as a completely Caucasian.
16:38Yes.
16:39But as, as this, um, little Wayjan I am, I hope to just do roles that aren't always charged
16:49with, you know, I'm happy to do roles that are, you know, race has something to, to play in there.
16:54But also I just wanna be an actor and a lot of the times I just wanna play parts where
16:59it's like,
17:00I'm, I'm just there and we don't need to go on my backstory or whatever.
17:04It's just, you know, I'm playing what any other, uh, non-person of color would play as well.
17:11You know?
17:12You're a person, you wanna be treated?
17:13I'm a person.
17:14Love it, baby.
17:15On both Heated Rivalry and Ember and Ice, you worked with an intimacy coordinator.
17:20Um, why do you think that role matters on projects like this?
17:23Was there anything about the process that you think would surprise people?
17:27Wow.
17:27I mean, I think it's so, um, yeah, that's a, yeah, that question is, I mean, it's so important.
17:34I mean, you, you literally can't do things without that role.
17:40Um, the thing that I think would shock people about the role of intimacy coordinating is it's not just about,
17:47and this is what I learned from Chayla originally and then also Jamie doing this.
17:51It's not just about the actual safety, the boundaries, monitoring what's going on, what that looks like, making sure everyone's
17:59okay.
17:59There's also actually a conjunction of an artistic edge where you are, like Jamie with this, you know, was also
18:08the voice that was reminding us,
18:10this is how long it's been since this happened.
18:12You know, you need to, I need to hear that shiver or that I need to hear those, um, I
18:18need to hear that feeling through your wings.
18:21I need to see that come about. I need to feel that pleasure in this way.
18:25So it's not always technical, even though that's what I feel like is brought up a lot.
18:28There is also an artistic sensibility to that job and that really promotes that conversation.
18:34Absolutely.
18:35Bring in the first ginger ale.
18:38This is so fun.
18:40We have Canada Dry, we have Schweppes, we have, can you, can someone give me a rundown of the brands?
18:46Nope, you're going to try it and we're going to go.
18:48I don't, I've only named two from memory.
18:50Well, how about this? I'll hold it so we don't, we don't give away anything.
18:53It's not flavor, so you can describe the flavor and the texture for it.
18:58Yep, that's my Hudson. That's my Hudson.
19:03That's not Canada Dry, this is some shitty American ginger ale.
19:07This is like Schweppes or like, um, yeah, that's my guess.
19:13You said it's not Canada Dry, why is it not Canada Dry?
19:16Yeah.
19:16Canada Dry's got more ginger in it and more bubble in it.
19:20It's just subtle ginger.
19:22Yeah.
19:22Go ahead and, should we de-blind flip?
19:24Go ahead and take a little peek.
19:28You got, we got you!
19:31Where is this imported from? This, this is, this is, no, no way.
19:37It says, it says from Frisco, Texas.
19:40Nope.
19:40Frisco, Texas, baby.
19:41I don't, I don't, this is, it changed, it changed.
19:45Bring in ginger ale number two.
19:47That is so embarrassing.
19:50Thank you so much.
19:52This one was, that one was Canada Dry.
19:55What is this one?
20:01You're my baby, drink more.
20:05This is cough syrup.
20:07This is, this is yellow snow.
20:11What is this?
20:12A pissy pineapple.
20:15But that's the brand, Hudson.
20:17I have to guess the brand?
20:20Davai, yeah.
20:21This is Schweppes.
20:23This one is Schweppes.
20:25That's.
20:25That's also Canada Dry.
20:29That's so much, yeah.
20:31I am so happy that I'm not the one tasting these because if I was getting them wrong,
20:34I'd feel like an idiot.
20:36No, I'm kidding.
20:37I'm kidding.
20:39Stupid.
20:40Stupid.
20:41No, you're not.
20:42I mean, they, they really set you up.
20:44Give me another one.
20:45Do you have more?
20:46Bring me, bring in, how many more?
20:49Bring in the last one.
20:50Bring it to me.
20:53Ooh, this one's a hard one.
20:59Oh, no.
21:04Uh huh.
21:06That's, um, that's fever tree ginger, um, um, beer.
21:17Hudson.
21:18What?
21:19What?
21:19What flavor?
21:20What?
21:20There's a, there's a secondary flavor.
21:26Do you want a smell test too?
21:28You want to do like a-
21:28No, it's just ginger.
21:29No, but do like an aromatics test.
21:34Go full Somme vibes.
21:37Do you smell that?
21:39Oh, it's hard to, it's hard to smell.
21:41It's fucking ginger, pear?
21:43Fucking, it's ginger.
21:44Yeah.
21:45I'm going to be honest.
21:46He would never be able to understand.
21:47You can't taste that flavor at all.
21:49Let's see.
21:49Let's see.
21:50Brand orange.
21:51What?
21:52Blood orange.
21:53Good job.
21:53You can't taste that at all.
21:54You put food coloring in.
21:56You didn't put no blood orange in there.
21:58I will say, I kind of like this one though.
22:00That one's nice.
22:01I like all of them.
22:02But I guess the brand, did I not?
22:04You killed it.
22:05When did you first realize you clicked?
22:07And what are some of your favorite memories
22:09from working together?
22:11Hmm.
22:12I would say our first FaceTime outside of a chemistry read,
22:15because at that point I was always Shane,
22:17he was always Ilya.
22:18But then when we first met over FaceTime
22:21before we went to Toronto,
22:24we had so many, like so much overlap of movies we liked,
22:28actors we liked, art we liked,
22:31and similar approaches to how we, you know,
22:34like to perform that I immediately knew.
22:37I think we clicked there.
22:38And I think that's saying a lot,
22:39because I think some of our interests
22:41can be pretty niche.
22:43The fact that there is overlap is amazing.
22:46And favorite memories, I would say all our laughs on set.
22:51Being in Muskoka was really beautiful.
22:54There was a lot of like lounging around.
22:58You know, it was just great.
23:00My favorite memories of working with you
23:01are also the laughs.
23:03What's like an inside joke that we just died over the whole time?
23:08Um, we had to storm the set.
23:11That was also with...
23:11Oh, yeah.
23:12I would always be like,
23:13Storm the set!
23:15But if we couldn't afford extras,
23:16our idea was we would just like do like a cattle call.
23:20We used to joke that like we,
23:22because we would have like airport scenes and stuff,
23:24where there would be like, you know,
23:26five people.
23:26For an airport you need like a bunch of people
23:28and we'd have like five people.
23:30And I just imagined,
23:32I imagined Jacob being like,
23:34being like, Costo!
23:35Get up there!
23:36And everyone's like taking off their mics and he's like,
23:38Storm the set!
23:41Opening the garage and just like opening it up to the public.
23:44How does it feel to accidentally launch a workout movement?
23:49I can't...
23:50I honestly still cannot believe that
23:52that was someone's takeaway from this, you know?
23:55I...
23:56Like...
23:56I think I look a little too shabby.
23:58I'm in the process of gaining weight right now.
24:01You know, yeah, I was...
24:01When you look...
24:02You look frickin' fantastic.
24:04Well...
24:05Muchos gracias.
24:06De nada, CorazĂłn de MelĂłn.
24:08Ah, mi hermoso.
24:10Mi esposo, mi amor.
24:11Todo mi corazĂłn.
24:14Yeah, I...
24:15People...
24:16People like our bodies.
24:17Let's just be honest about it.
24:19People...
24:19You know, I care about my health.
24:21I care about my fitness.
24:22As do you.
24:25Honestly, watching the show is making us work out even more.
24:28Yeah.
24:29So what drew you to doing a Faye Romantese story
24:32and what was it about the script that hooked you?
24:33For me, it was exploring sensuality with your voice.
24:39You know, that's the only tool you have.
24:41And it kind of scared me a little bit.
24:43And, you know, there...
24:45It was a really fun way to explore yourself.
24:48It was fun.
24:48It was actually fun.
24:49And, you know, it's very demanding and it's well written.
24:52I think in the booth, the term winged Hemingway came up.
24:59You know?
25:00Fantastical Hemingway.
25:01Because there was, like, war.
25:03There's, like, this romance that's forbidden and it seems doomed in a lot of ways.
25:10And that was way heavier than I thought, you know, this would look like.
25:15And it was really rewarding.
25:17Mm-hmm.
25:18The story just moves really well, too.
25:20It was just written really well.
25:23As someone who, you know, is not a big reader, I think something like this would be really appealing to
25:29me.
25:30Just the way it cycles through the feelings.
25:33It cycles through the years.
25:35Different point of views.
25:35Yeah.
25:36Yeah.
25:36Yeah.
25:36I just think it's really, like, almost physically well done.
25:39Why do you think MM romance resonates so strongly with women right now?
25:44Mm.
25:46Yeah, we've both talked about this and kind of been intrigued by it.
25:50There's so many reasons.
25:51There's so many reasons.
25:52And then even just women.
25:53You know, there are straight women.
25:56There are trans women.
25:56There are gay women, like queer women.
26:00It's, well, that feels like a giant term to be like, I know exactly why.
26:07You know, there's like the element of you can live vicariously and you can feel safe.
26:11Mm-hmm.
26:11Like with women, this is just one opinion that I had never even considered or thought of that I saw
26:18that I think you're alluding to, which is,
26:19if you are female and you are, you are taken out of the equation, there's, and you're, there's a spectatorship
26:31to that.
26:32There's like, there's a certain amount of separation that allows for safety.
26:37You know, like especially women historically being put into a box in a certain way, especially when it comes to
26:42sex and pleasure.
26:43Right.
26:44It feels like a nice separation to see sexuality and romance be lived out without the female dynamic being.
26:52Yeah.
26:53I heard, I heard someone online say, a woman say that like, when you see like a hetero couple, you
27:00know, you default to like relating with,
27:03or forced to sort of relate with the woman character.
27:05Mm-hmm.
27:05And then that comes with a lot of restriction and too, and like imagination.
27:08A lot of writers, you know, are writing very conventionally, which means a lot of outdated tropes, old archetypes.
27:16And I think, you know, with getting to watch two men, it's like, they can kind of relate with this
27:21person.
27:21In one moment, they're empathetic to this person.
27:23They're not forced into a box of here, this is your person to relate with.
27:27Mm-hmm.
27:27At the end of the day though, we're both men.
27:30I have no idea what it's like to be a woman.
27:33Yeah.
27:34And so, y'all let us know.
27:35Yeah.
27:36Y'all tell us.
27:37I think me, because I would just be, I'd be drinking.
27:42I'd be somewhere, I'd be like under a table.
27:45Yeah.
27:46Asleep, naked.
27:47But I will say you, you're really frickin' athletic and you're really strong and you know how to fight.
27:54So if it came down to like a wrestling match between you and frickin' Freddy Krueger, I think you're taking
28:00the cake, my boy.
28:02I'm winning.
28:03Woo!
28:04Okay.
28:05Snack time.
28:08Me, 100%.
28:10Yeah.
28:10You have a little, you have a tiny bit more reverence than I do.
28:14If something is overly serious, I cannot help but laugh.
28:18Mm.
28:19Because I just become really like, oh, I become really aware of how…
28:22Do the kind of…
28:25It's not that…
28:26You left and now, now I'm gonna leave.
28:29Bye.
28:29Bye.
28:29Connor will do the, like, the like…
28:32It's like so serious, he kind of gets a little…
28:34And then he goes…
28:34And I can't do his laugh.
28:35Do I do that?
28:36Do I do…
28:38Do I do a poly pocket hand?
28:42You know what?
28:43I accept myself.
28:44This is what…
28:44We're rockin' this.
28:45We're rockin' it.
28:46I accept myself.
28:48Me.
28:49Oh, yeah.
28:50I'm dirty.
28:51You're pretty clean.
28:52I'd eat anything off the ground.
28:54No.
28:58Not me.
28:59You're online more than I am.
29:00Yeah, I…
29:00Well, I just love YouTube.
29:01I love the little, like…
29:03Video essay on this movie.
29:06Essay on this little actor.
29:07Have you learned this about Genghis Khan?
29:10And I'm like, wow…
29:11There's so much to know.
29:12Nerd.
29:13Are these book talk trivia things?
29:15H-E-A.
29:16Heaven eats ass.
29:18I don't know.
29:19Yeah, heaven eats ass?
29:20Is that it?
29:21Really?
29:21What is it?
29:23Happily Ever After.
29:24Fuck.
29:25Yeah, okay.
29:28Okay, this one's harder.
29:30The rake and the cake.
29:31The what?
29:32The rake and the cake.
29:34Well, you break up some people together and then you…
29:38Ass.
29:39Yeah.
29:40Are these all gonna be ass related?
29:42This one…
29:43This one apparently is…
29:44They are for me.
29:45The grumpy sunshine trip.
29:46Like the rake and the cake.
29:47Like…
29:48Oh, right, right.
29:49Oh, I see.
29:50Oh, I like…
29:51I like that.
29:52I like those.
29:52I like those ones.
29:53Yeah, I like the grump.
29:55Why teams?
29:56Why…
29:57Is this a love triangle thing?
29:59Mmm.
29:59Ooh.
30:00Threesome.
30:01It scares me a little.
30:02Foot in both jars of peanut butter, if you know what I mean.
30:05Don't make me nervous on Twitter.
30:06We're gonna react to some tweets.
30:08You don't scare me.
30:09Connor's story.
30:10You need to stop.
30:11Your face too smiley.
30:12Your ass too fat.
30:14Juicy.
30:14Your line delivery too good.
30:16They'll kill you.
30:17You really…
30:17I mean you…
30:18Line delivery too good?
30:19Yeah, you…
30:20I'm cool with that.
30:21I feel good.
30:23Um…
30:23I…
30:24Whenever we read tweets, I don't know if I'm supposed to like…
30:28Or if I'm supposed to like…
30:30Yeah.
30:30Genuinely be like…
30:31Whoa!
30:32I guess all of it, kind of.
30:33Hudson Williams' back dimples.
30:37That's it.
30:38That's the tweet.
30:39Oh!
30:40I didn't realize I had these little back dimples, but then I…
30:43I saw the receipts and I saw my dimpled cheek back thing and…
30:50We were all seeing it.
30:51Yeah.
30:52I was…
30:52I was seeing it.
30:53Damn.
30:54For real.
30:55I love whatever is wrong with y'all.
30:59My Cynthia and Ariana.
31:04Fine.
31:05I'm invested in heated rivalry.
31:06Not because of their giant bouncy bluh bluh bluh bluh.
31:09But because it's a true yearner.
31:12I'm a sucker for a good romance.
31:14The yearning is…
31:15Is the thing.
31:16I think that's…
31:17That's probably the sexiest part for people, honestly.
31:19You wanna know how we got these bodies…
31:20If you yearn enough…
31:21Yearn.
31:22Your ass gets fat.
31:23Despite all the memes, I have enjoyed people seeing…
31:27That physical intimacy isn't just spice on top of the romance,
31:30but a vehicle to explore relationship dynamics and character,
31:34and also physical and emotional intimacy are different,
31:37but connected things.
31:38Jacob talks about this and that was one of the first things…
31:40I think he brought to us…
31:43To try and explain his vision, which was…
31:47You know, when you read the scripts, when you read the pages,
31:49it can sound very sex-heavy, but to know that the sex really is just the foundation of their relationship
31:56and how they connect…
31:58Yeah, I think that is…
31:59I think that…
32:00I think that's kind of, you know…
32:02For the first years of their life, that's how they communicate.
32:05That's where their relationship builds and, you know…
32:07That's not usually how sex is used in media.
32:11Meteor.
32:13I need Hudson Williams to know that so many people imagine, draw, write, and read about him getting pregnant.
32:19Including me.
32:21Is that crazy?
32:22Oh, he knows.
32:23And even comments on it.
32:23Yeah, Mara.
32:24Key to Rivalry Update is pointing this out to me.
32:26I know, when I learned that about the fan fiction…
32:29I was like, whatever floats your boat, you know…
32:32Yeah, I mean…
32:33I think that's like…
32:34I think that's in the deep fanfic side.
32:36Yeah.
32:37I don't understand it, but I'm like, you know what, you freaks?
32:41You gung-ho, you go get it.
32:43You know, if you can go get fictional me pregnant…
32:46Fictional me.
32:48Knock him up.
32:50This is another one about my butt.
32:52Again, y'all aren't ready for this one.
32:55Connor Story deserves A-O-T-Y.
32:57What's A-O-T-Y mean?
32:59Connor Story, ass of the…
33:01I don't like this tweet.
33:02It should be ass of the century.
33:04Hey!
33:05Whoa, whoa!
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