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00:01Neil was charismatic and witty, just a nice, normal man.
00:07More cuddles, Ralph. More cuddles.
00:11That was the ruse.
00:14There's something very strange about this baby.
00:17You can keep the baby. Great for you.
00:19But it ain't mine, darling. It seriously, seriously isn't mine.
00:25Tina was in absolute shock.
00:28I've spoken to probably 200 people who Neil traumatized.
00:36I've had to pretty much talk girls off the ledge.
00:40I didn't realize the gravity of the situation that I escaped from.
00:44Everything he told me was a lie.
00:46I'd never seen anything as extreme as this.
00:56I would like him to suffer slowly, torturously.
01:00Someone really needs to stop him.
01:24I'm Andrea Gunning, and this is Betrayal.
01:26A show about the people we trust the most and the deceptions that change everything.
01:32Today, I'm talking with Tina Maya, a strong, independent woman whose casual fling turned her world upside down.
01:41When she tried to understand what happened to her, she ended up forming a community of women that were all
01:48deceived by the same man.
01:50Can you talk a little bit about the scope of what Neil did?
01:56He just hides behind being this normal guy, but his lies are so damaging.
02:04They're so eroding.
02:06And it's been going on for like 30-something years.
02:09Wow.
02:10There's a whole load of people that think, oh, well, you know, how could you go for that?
02:13But this is my truth. This is my story.
02:24I was born in Tehran before the revolution in 1975.
02:28And things got a little real over there when I was quite young.
02:32So we moved back to the UK because my father was born there.
02:41I lived in a very nice place. I had great friends, good education.
02:46Tina's full of life, carefree.
02:51After I graduated university, I was starting my career in the technology world.
02:57And I just sort of had to figure out what this internet was.
03:02Tina ends up in New York City with a high paying job and she's there for about 10 years.
03:06She gets married, has a baby, gets divorced.
03:09And then in 2015, she gets a great job offer in London and she decides to move home.
03:17I was just sort of starting again, just me and my son, Leo. He was six.
03:24She was working in e-commerce and she was very business-minded.
03:32So it was very early 2016. I was at one of these conferences in London.
03:39I was speaking with a lot of people.
03:42And that's where I stumbled across Neil Lorman.
03:51He had a marketing firm. He was cute, quite attractive, but I really didn't think too much about that conversation.
04:00He just seemed like a nice, normal man.
04:05Neil Lorman is from Essex. It's a tough working class area outside of London.
04:11He's a successful businessman and he even has an interesting hobby.
04:15He loves cooking and appears in YouTube videos.
04:18If you'd help this, I'd actually come around for dinner and let you cook for me.
04:22Would you spoon me afterwards?
04:24Why not?
04:27Tina had no desire for a relationship.
04:29But after the conference, Neil texted her out of the blue.
04:34He said that he was going to be in Bromley, a town close to where I live.
04:40And did I want to meet up?
04:42I was in a good mood and Leo was at a sleepover.
04:47And Neil seems like he might be good fun for a drink.
04:51Um, okay.
04:56He was charismatic and witty.
05:00He was a fun guy.
05:04I told him a little bit about my divorce.
05:09And he said that he was divorced also.
05:13And they'd lived together in the States too.
05:15And he said that his ex-wife had got quite bitter about the fact that he couldn't give her children.
05:24He said I'd had testicular cancer and, uh, I'm completely infertile.
05:30And he said his ex-wife had an affair with his friend and left him for the friend and gone
05:38on to have children with him.
05:39I felt like he was being, you know, quite vulnerable and genuine.
05:45It actually drew me to him.
05:48Tina starts seeing Neil more often.
05:50She still has no desire for a relationship, but she's having fun with him.
05:54And she's enjoying the sex.
05:58That was part of what it was.
06:01And part of what was fun.
06:03She didn't need to live like a nun.
06:05The two consenting adults have fun.
06:09Even though he told me he was infertile, I was still worried because having another child was not in my
06:16plan.
06:18He's like, no, like, I have zero sperm count.
06:23But he had sort of dropped into the conversation about having a lot of allergies.
06:28And one of those allergies was latex.
06:32And so he couldn't use protection.
06:37Over the next few months, Tina sees Neil sporadically.
06:41We would see each other once a week or so.
06:44He told me a bit about his family.
06:47He didn't come from money, but I didn't care.
06:52He came up in passing.
06:54Some guy she'd been seeing.
06:56I never for a minute thought that he was going to play a part in her life.
07:03Tina started noticing things about Neil that were off-putting.
07:07I heard him have a phone conversation with his mother.
07:10And he was being so awful to her.
07:14And then there was the lying.
07:17He was clearly lying about his education.
07:21He told me he went to the London School of Economics.
07:25No, he didn't.
07:26Because I know the area quite well.
07:28We were talking about it.
07:29And he didn't seem to know even where Alessi was.
07:33So it was these little things.
07:37Just as Tina's hoping that this relationship with Neil fades away,
07:41she starts to experience this familiar but concerning brain fog.
07:49I started to be quite forgetful.
07:56I remember one particular incident where I threw the rubbish away.
08:00And then I couldn't find my keys.
08:02I'm like, did I not throw the rubbish out?
08:05I threw my keys in the wheelie bin.
08:09Yes, I threw my keys in the wheelie bin.
08:12And I said, that's weird because the only time I've ever been that absent-minded is when I was pregnant
08:19with Leo.
08:23And then my period was late.
08:27So I got a pregnancy test.
08:31Immediately popped up.
08:33Pregnant.
08:35I was like, well, no, I can't be pregnant.
08:38Bought a few more.
08:41That didn't work.
08:44I thought, Neil doesn't know.
08:46He can have children.
08:49I thought, maybe it's a medical mistake.
08:52Or it was truly a miracle.
08:57Tina decides to keep the baby and reaches out to Neil.
09:02And then he really got quite venomous.
09:06I cannot produce children.
09:09If you are pregnant, how you deal with it is not my problem.
09:22I had intercourse with somebody who I knew was infertile.
09:28And I was pregnant.
09:34So I sent him a text.
09:38Saying, we should meet up and we can have a chat.
09:42He's like, I don't see why, if you've got something to tell me, why you can't tell me here.
09:46I'm like, okay.
09:49I am pregnant.
09:51It's yours.
09:54I don't want anything from you.
09:56But I'm letting you know.
09:59He said, nice try.
10:01I had a vasectomy.
10:05And I sent him a picture of the pregnancy test.
10:09And I said, well, it didn't work.
10:11And he started leaving voice messages, which were insane.
10:18You need to get yourself to a doctor and have a proper pregnancy test, not a piss on the stick
10:23one.
10:24But I have zero sperm.
10:27Don't sit there putting things on me that this could be mine.
10:30Because it isn't.
10:32Medically impossible.
10:35It wasn't like he was like, oh, go and have an abortion.
10:38He just didn't want to be blamed.
10:42You can keep the baby.
10:43Great for you.
10:45But it ain't mine, darling.
10:46It seriously, seriously isn't mine.
10:50He was just rude.
10:52I will have nothing to do with you.
10:55Nothing to do with your child.
10:59They didn't expect him to be angry with me.
11:04This man who all his life thought he couldn't ever have children.
11:10Why isn't he happy?
11:20It got really weird.
11:23So I just said, you're more than welcome to take a DNA test when the baby's born.
11:30Neil refuses to do the DNA test.
11:33But Tina didn't need it.
11:34She knew he was the father.
11:35She hadn't been with anybody else.
11:37She just couldn't understand why he was adamantly denying it.
11:42But she moved on without Neil.
11:43And in January of 2017, Tina welcomed her baby girl, Josephine.
11:48And she calls her Fifi.
11:51When my daughter was born, she very quickly went blue.
12:00She had a lung infection.
12:01She was put into an incubator.
12:03She also had really serious jaundice.
12:08The treatment for the jaundice, the light treatment, wasn't working.
12:13And they said, there's only one more level we can go up before we have to give her a blood
12:17transfusion.
12:17And we're going to need blood types of the parents, any medical history.
12:21Tina was afraid for her baby's life.
12:24She hadn't spoken to Neil in months.
12:26But she had kept in touch with one of his friends, and she reached out to him to express the
12:30urgency of the situation.
12:31I suddenly get these long, nasty texts.
12:37How dare I contact his friend?
12:41Even if he did share DNA with my child, he would never want anything to do with someone as vile
12:49as me.
12:50And that he would not be giving any medical history.
12:56Just ugly messages to someone who had just given birth to his daughter who was potentially about to have a
13:03blood transfusion.
13:06Any person would make that phone call to help any baby.
13:11Most people would do more than that to help a kitten.
13:14This is not helping.
13:19Why?
13:24Luckily, she didn't need the blood transfusion.
13:27The next level of light did work.
13:29After a week in hospital, we were able to go home.
13:39Tina and the baby are settling in nicely at home.
13:42But she can't let go of how Neil conducted himself.
13:45So she decides to take action against him.
13:49I thought, I'm going to set the Child Maintenance Service onto you for the next 18 years.
13:52Not because I want the money, but because you deserve it.
13:56Because you're not a nice person.
13:59Tina submitted an application to the Child Maintenance Service, which is the UK's agency for child support.
14:05Boy, did it open up a box of worms.
14:10When the report came through, it said that it had been accepted and that he had been assessed five pounds
14:18a week because he was a benefits recipient, which was the first like, what?
14:23I know this guy has business.
14:25But then the next really alarming thing was that that five pounds a week was split between four children.
14:38There were no names or details in the CMS report, so Tina decides to do her own investigation.
14:45The first thing I did was go to Facebook and I look up Neil's last name.
14:51Lawman.
14:52Straight away, up comes a profile.
14:55I thought, well, this must be his ex-wife.
14:59Or his current wife, who knows?
15:02Not in America, right here.
15:04Not far from where I now live.
15:06And on the profile was a picture of two young girls.
15:12And they looked like Fifi.
15:17I thought, should I write to her?
15:20So I did.
15:22I said, I've just had a baby.
15:24And the father is Neil Lawman.
15:27And quite quickly, she got back to me.
15:31The first line was just, I am so sorry that you have also been his victim.
15:38I'm like, oh, .
15:50Tina reaches out to a woman on Facebook that has the same last name as Neil, which is Lawman.
15:58She wrote back every word out of that man's mouth is a lie.
16:04And he'd gone and left her with nothing but a mess and his two children's race.
16:11And she was clearly traumatised.
16:17I used to be married to Neil.
16:25I chose to do this interview anonymously because I have two girls with Neil who are now grown up and
16:32they don't want this to come back and haunt them.
16:37I would like Neil to suffer slowly, torturously, and I'd like to witness it.
16:54Neil and I got married on August the 25th, 2002.
17:03We were together until November 2009 when he left.
17:07Neil's ex-wife, who doesn't want us to use her name, tells Tina that they've never lived in the United
17:14States.
17:14She did not leave Neil for his friend.
17:17He's definitely the father of her two kids.
17:20And he is never once mentioned having cancer.
17:25At this point, I realised that he had impregnated me maliciously.
17:30He knew what he was doing.
17:33I didn't really want to do this interview, but I can't bear the thought of him having any more children
17:39with some other unsuspecting victim.
17:43This is Neil's story to me, so it may have some degree of untruth.
17:51His mother had him when she was 16.
17:55She told him that his father was Kevin Jones, who she was then with.
18:02They sat Neil down on his 18th birthday and told him that Kevin Jones was not his father, and he
18:08had believed all that time that he was his father.
18:12Six months later, Kevin Jones died of a heart attack, and Neil doesn't know who his father is, but I
18:18can imagine that finding something out like that when you're 18 probably could have contributed to his dysfunctional personality.
18:27His ex-wife also shared that Neil used to go by Neil Jones, but he changed his last name to
18:34his mother's maiden name, which is Lawman.
18:36Neil was very charming and very good at making people feel comfortable.
18:44He appeared to be ambitious, and he appeared to be a hard worker, but he was very deceiving in all
18:51of those things.
18:53Never spent any time with the kids, and he was having affairs.
19:00Even though things were getting really bad, Neil's ex-wife tried to stick it out for the kids, but Neil
19:05left.
19:07He left his ex-wife for another relationship.
19:13So he left in November 2009. The last time my daughter saw him was March 2010, and they have not
19:20seen him since then.
19:24Tina and Neil's ex-wife, they start a connection. They start talking on the phone and texting all the time,
19:29so they decide to meet up in London.
19:31We instantly got along.
19:35I remember her saying to me, all these years I've felt like the stupidest woman in the world.
19:40And then I meet you, and you're like the smartest woman I've ever met, and you would you!
19:46And I felt exactly the same way about her.
19:50There was a vindication.
19:52I told Tina everything about my relationship with Neil.
20:01They lived very lavishly. She thought that he was doing well in business, but actually she found out that he
20:07remortgaged their house without her knowing.
20:11He also had £40,000 worth of business debts, which had a claim over the house, and I didn't know
20:19anything about any of it.
20:21So I had to put the house on the market, sell it to pay off his debt, and then start
20:26again.
20:28Neil's ex and Tina chatted for hours, and then she dropped a bombshell.
20:34I said to Tina, I hate to tell you this, but Neil had two other sons.
20:42After Neil left, his ex-wife finds out, through child maintenance services, that he had two sons that he had
20:48had before they had ever met, and he had never once mentioned them to her.
20:55Why would you want to have kids if you didn't want to have kids?
21:02Before calling it a night, Tina had an idea.
21:07I thought it would be funny to send him a little memento.
21:13We took a picture, and we're giving him the bird, and we entitled it The Other Mother.
21:21He didn't take it with humour.
21:26He sent emails to my work.
21:30He wrote very graphic, awful depictions of the time that we dated, and made it out to actually be something
21:38quite lewd.
21:40And he sent it to the entire company I worked for.
21:46If he'd have sent naked pictures of me, it wouldn't have been less humiliating.
21:53Tina was not about to be bullied by Neil.
21:57So she reports the email to the police, and they put out a warrant for his arrest for malicious communication.
22:04The police told me he also had another warrant out for his arrest at the same time for fraud.
22:10I learned that he was arrested 11 times and convicted five.
22:17But Neil's never served more than a couple of days in prison.
22:23He always gets suspended sentences.
22:26And so Tina was hoping that with this malicious communications charge, it would finally land him behind bars.
22:34The police said they couldn't find him, so the warrant got cancelled after a year, and they didn't even let
22:41me know.
22:43The man is still walking the streets, and he is still capable of impregnating women and then walking away with
22:49total abandon.
22:50So Tina had this idea to set up a Facebook page to warn people about Neil.
22:56The Neil Lorman Victim Support Group.
23:00We just hoped that people would type his name into Facebook before dating him or before going into business with
23:08him.
23:09And it'll give them a little red flag.
23:11Neil tried to get the Facebook page taken down, but Tina fought to keep it up, and she won.
23:20In the Facebook group, there are people who claim they have had business relationships with him that went very sour.
23:29Women that he has dated who claim he's turned on them.
23:34Family members of people that he's hurt who claim he's caused problems within the families.
23:40There's quite a few landlords who claim he doesn't pay rent.
23:44And what I wasn't expecting was other mothers.
24:00How did we all meet?
24:03How did you start?
24:04Well, it's the first time I've actually met Adele and Claire in person.
24:09We arranged for Tina to meet with three members of the Neil Lorman Victim Support Group.
24:14Right now, there are more than 150 members.
24:18And of course, Karen, yeah.
24:20Karen came to the group through Neil's ex-wife.
24:22And she says she was one of his first victims over 30 years ago.
24:27So, obviously, you know, about 30-odd years ago, Neil was quite young.
24:32Yeah.
24:33Yeah, he wasn't like, obviously, what he is now.
24:35He was just...
24:35Obviously, like...
24:37Just a normal dude. He was just a normal guy.
24:39The thing is, his ruse is normality.
24:42He just pretends to be a normal bloke.
24:44And that's how he gets you.
24:48When I met Neil, I was 24.
24:51Neil was 20.
24:52He was my neighbor.
24:55In the beginning, he was very charming.
24:58It was like he was looking after me all the time.
25:00In this relationship, there was no mention of infertility or cancer.
25:05And nine months into their relationship, they get engaged and Karen was pregnant.
25:12When I told Neil I was pregnant, he was happy.
25:14He done the nursery up with me and there was no problem.
25:19And when my son was born, he was really hands-on.
25:25It's kind of strange how Neil goes from this loving father when his son is born in 1994
25:32to never mentioning him once to anyone he dates for the next 31 years.
25:41My name's Daniel and I'm Neil's son.
25:47I don't really remember much, to be honest.
25:49I think I try and block most of it out.
25:50I don't really ask many questions about it.
25:53It's not going to change anything for me.
25:54So the less I know, the better I feel.
25:57It's in this relationship where we see a pattern form.
26:01Neil starts off as a great guy, but then he morphs into a completely different person,
26:05becomes controlling and just plain mean.
26:07He didn't like to be wrong or be told no.
26:11And if I ever challenged him, Neil would say that I was really fat and ugly.
26:15And if you leave me, you'll be on your own.
26:18You're going to become a single mum.
26:20It did go from like nothing to mad.
26:22He just chipped away at me.
26:27Multiple women on Facebook allege that Neil was violent with them, including Karen.
26:34At the time, I did love him, but I was nervous of him.
26:37And I didn't want to make him angry because I got a smack.
26:42I kept thinking it was going to be all right.
26:43He didn't mean to do it. He was really sorry.
26:46He said, I'll never do it again. I'm not going to get help.
26:51A lot of what I'm hearing today is obviously the first time I'm hearing these things.
26:56And the more I hear, it's just shocking.
26:59It's nothing less than a scumbag.
27:01In responding to a protective order sought against him,
27:05Neil denies physical abuse allegations,
27:07and he was never convicted of any violent crimes.
27:10But according to Karen, Neil promised that he would change,
27:14but things didn't get better.
27:15So Karen left Neil when Daniel was just 20 months old.
27:20He was seeing him on weekend visits,
27:22but there was loads of times where he'd let him down and not turn up.
27:25And there was always an excuse.
27:28So growing up, there was a lot of anger, and I was obviously upset.
27:32There's some bits that damage you.
27:34Like, he's not going to come back.
27:35He's not going to suddenly become my father again.
27:37So I just sort of focus on the good parts of my life
27:40and getting to where I want to go to in my personal journey.
27:45Does Neil have a relationship with his son?
27:48No.
27:49He didn't until he was about six.
27:53The last time I seen Neil was sitting in McDonald's.
27:57And there was, like, sea monkeys.
28:00He gave me those and basically said that he couldn't see me no more.
28:03And then he just literally dissipated, went gone.
28:08That was in 2000, the same year Neil met his ex-wife,
28:12who didn't even find out about Daniel until after he left
28:15and she read the child maintenance service report.
28:19There was another son that was listed on the CMS report.
28:22It was a son that he had when he was 18,
28:24and he ran off as soon as he was born.
28:27And Tina tracked down that mother on Facebook.
28:31She's very, very direct.
28:33She said, just forget about him.
28:34Put him behind you.
28:35Don't think about him.
28:36And she said, the day someone calls her to let her know
28:39that he's dropped dead will be the day she pops open
28:42a bottle of champagne.
28:44Through this Facebook group, another shocking detail
28:48comes to light 28 years after it happened.
28:51Two of his kids were born eight weeks apart.
28:56Those two boys were born to mothers
28:58who lived on the same street.
29:01One of the moms was Karen.
29:04He also had a girlfriend down the road.
29:08Tina phoned me.
29:09She just said, how old was Dan?
29:11And I said, he's 28 in August.
29:13And she said, I think you should hear it from me.
29:15There's another child, and he was 28 in June.
29:18I was like, oh.
29:20Oh, okay.
29:22I was waiting for who else there is.
29:26I call myself the one who got away.
29:37How did it feel to you when you found out
29:39there was another woman who had a baby at the same time?
29:42To be honest, because I've been speaking to you guys,
29:44I wasn't actually really shocked.
29:46Just made Daniel a bit further down in the pecking order.
29:49Yeah.
29:51She lived on the same street.
29:53Literally the same street.
29:54I didn't know that, obviously.
29:55How did they keep you separated and not cross paths?
29:58We had to move quickly.
30:00You have to think to yourself, how has he managed to do this to people?
30:05And keep doing it.
30:06It just gets more and more insane.
30:16I kind of struck up a relationship with Neil through a Facebook business group in 2015.
30:24I was going through a divorce, and I had two young boys.
30:28I wasn't looking for a relationship or anything like that.
30:31But there was this underlying charisma that kind of came across once you started speaking to him.
30:38That's when he reeled you in.
30:42The first time I heard about the infertility, we'd been out for drinks.
30:53And the next morning, I woke to find him in my bed.
31:03We hadn't been intimate prior to this.
31:06I remember saying to him, oh, my God, did we have sex last night?
31:10And he was like, well, don't you remember?
31:12And he made it all jokey and, like, made me feel a bit stupid for not remembering.
31:18And I said, did we use something?
31:21Obviously, I didn't want to have any more children.
31:23And he said to me, listen, don't worry, don't worry.
31:26I can't have children anyway.
31:29I've had testicular cancer.
31:31I had to go through chemotherapy.
31:34I have no more sperm cells.
31:38I was ashamed.
31:40I needed to close that chapter.
31:45Neil tried to see Claire again.
31:46Even though she never became pregnant by him, she cut him off.
31:52He targets divorced women with children and with careers.
31:56And, you know, he's definitely followed her.
31:59A pattern.
32:02He goes for successful, secure women and then tries to drag them down.
32:12When I reached out to his most recent girlfriend, she was really under his control.
32:22I'm Rachel, and I met Neil Lorman through my business I had at the time.
32:28Neil came across very, like, a successful businessman and caring person.
32:34In the beginning of the relationship, he was really good around my kids and my kids really liked him.
32:39Neil did tell Rachel about his two daughters with his ex-wife, but there was no mention of any other
32:44children.
32:45And in the two and a half years that they are together, there was no mention of infertility, no mention
32:50of cancer.
32:51But he had other stories to tell.
32:53He told me about all the property that he owns and how he used to work for the government and
32:59how he used to be an ex-pro ice hockey player.
33:03Everything he told me was a lie.
33:05But he says it in such a way, it's very believable.
33:08So I never really questioned it.
33:11Rachel and her kids moved in with Neil.
33:13At first, they stayed in his two-bedroom apartment.
33:15But then Rachel bought her own house, and Neil came with her.
33:18And according to her, he slowly started to change.
33:22It was mentally controlling.
33:24It's weird, he had that thing about you where he would pick you up and lift you up.
33:27You'd think, great, I feel amazing.
33:28But then he would really drop you down and just kind of pick on the things you don't like.
33:34The way I dress, the way I look.
33:36And then by the end, he was distant from everyone.
33:39He didn't really show any emotion or care or interest in me or my kids.
33:45Rachel's family is concerned about Neil.
33:48And Rachel has an aunt that decides to do her own investigation and finds this Facebook page and shows Rachel.
33:55And Rachel is horrified by what she sees.
33:58And it motivates her to leave Neil.
34:00She sends him an email saying that she's left.
34:03And then he starts bombarding her with voice messages.
34:07Rachel, I've just got your email and I am absolutely gutted.
34:14I want to be with you.
34:16I love you.
34:18Please answer my call, Rachel.
34:20Please, please come home.
34:24At the beginning, it was very desperate.
34:26And then it kind of turned nasty.
34:28You snuck off.
34:30And I'm walking around the house thinking, well, all this is mine.
34:33All this is mine.
34:34I have got nowhere to go.
34:37And I am not leaving this house.
34:41I just ignored it.
34:43There's no way to get me back now.
34:44Not a chance in hell.
34:47Rachel's lucky that she was able to completely cut Neil out of her life.
34:50So many women are still connected to Neil through their children.
34:54And how many children Neil has is hard to confirm.
34:58When it comes to kids that there's either a DNA test or he's on their birth certificate, there's five.
35:05Some people have reached out and said that they have his child.
35:11I think there's 13 alleged children.
35:16Tina got one of the UK's largest newspapers, The Times, to cover the story.
35:24My name is Ben Ellery and I am the crime editor for The Times.
35:31Every person we spoke to opened another doorway into this world of Neil Lawman.
35:38Each one took us further and was slightly more unbelievable.
35:44We got to a stage where if we wanted to run the story, we needed to gather some hard evidence.
35:51We did a DNA test between my daughter and his ex-wife's two daughters.
35:59Neil's on their birth certificate.
36:02The markers came through on their DNA test.
36:06More than most full siblings have.
36:09It's ironclad.
36:14I know Tina is campaigning for lying to someone about being infertile to be made a criminal offence.
36:21There is absolutely justice that needs to be served against Neil.
36:26I want him to be convicted of rape by deception.
36:40Neil had gone to such lengths with his lies to impregnate me with a child he had no intentions of
36:50being part of.
36:53At one point, there was a police officer who did take a great interest and start investigating Neil's actions.
37:01And she said, it really did fit with rape by deception.
37:06Rape by deception falls outside the typical definition of rape.
37:10It's an argument that says a perpetrator deceived someone in order to get consent.
37:15I didn't consent to be with a fertile man.
37:21There's another high profile case in the UK where a man lied about having a vasectomy and got a woman
37:26pregnant.
37:27And the rape by deception argument was used and he was found guilty.
37:30But ultimately, he was able to have that verdict overturned.
37:35It was overturned because rape by deception has to be connected to the sex act itself, not the circumstances around
37:45the act.
37:46Now it's precedent, so Tina's investigation was dropped.
37:50You can't seem to pin him down and prosecute him for anything.
37:54The rape by deception, malicious communication, frauds, all been swept under the rug.
37:59And I'd love to see change happening.
38:04But what we have managed to do is, if not stop him, slow him down.
38:10These women aren't expecting Neil to make any admissions anytime soon.
38:15They're just left wondering why Neil is the way he is.
38:19Do you think it's a control thing?
38:21I do think so.
38:22Because he goes for women that are freshly divorced.
38:25So there's that vulnerability about them, even though they are strong, independent women.
38:30Yeah.
38:30And that's where he gets in at.
38:32And it's from then, he kind of monopolises everything.
38:36You can't put it down to trauma or anything for him because he had a good upbringing.
38:39He's got a good family. He's got no excuse whatsoever.
38:45I know it's because of the Facebook group.
38:48And after the Times article, people aren't buying into his fraud so much and his romantic charms.
38:56And so I think his lifestyle has definitely taken a downturn.
39:05Betrayal's investigative team went to Neil's home in Jaywick to get his side of the story.
39:19Hi.
39:20Hi.
39:21Hi.
39:21We're looking for Neil Lawman.
39:22Is that you?
39:23Hi.
39:23Um, I'm a reporter.
39:25Oh, no.
39:26Can I tell her my place?
39:28Good luck.
39:32I think all the mothers have worried about nature and nurture.
39:39But I've met a number of the children and they're all beautiful souls.
39:48My girls have really developed into successful, smart adults in spite of what he did.
39:57My daughter is the most empathetic, kind, sweet little girl.
40:05There's no faulty wiring in her.
40:10That looks like me.
40:13I think it looks just like you, actually.
40:17We've had some conversations about Neil.
40:20And what I've let her know is that she's been lucky that she's grown up being given a lot of
40:27love and a lot of affection and a lot of attention.
40:30So she's able to go and give it to other people.
40:34And I said, not everyone is filled with that when they're growing up.
40:39And unfortunately, he's one of those people that just doesn't have it to give.
40:43She doesn't ever seem particularly fazed by it.
40:48When Neil's ex-wife told her daughters about Fifi, they wanted to meet her.
40:53And now they have a relationship.
40:54They've been in her life since she was three months old.
40:58She absolutely adores them.
40:59She's met Daniel, her half-brother, as well.
41:02And I think she just feels quite fulfilled by having people who genuinely care about her.
41:08So why would she care about someone who doesn't?
41:14I wish for his future that it's exactly what he deserves.
41:19But let's end on a positive note and say that doesn't he have amazing taste in women?
41:24Oh, absolutely.
41:29Whether he'll actually face justice or not, I hope so.
41:32But all I can do is tell my story and hope that someone listens who has the power to do
41:42something about it.
41:47The End
41:50Tell me.
41:50Yeah.
42:06I think I'm gonna try it right away.
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