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00:15Hello. The Leyland Brothers were household names in Australia in the 1980s. Their folksy TV shows
00:23explored the country with their families in tow. Brothers Mike and Mel were as close as two
00:29people can be, until a sad falling out at the height of their fame, one from which they never
00:35fully recovered. We first brought you Mel Leyland's story in 2015. 11 years on,
00:43he's facing daunting challenges, but with his adventurous spirit undimmed.
00:54Dad and I have always been very close. Dad's always been my hero.
01:07I am an only child, so it's just me that has the responsibility of taking care of Dad now.
01:14How are you feeling today?
01:15Oh, well, it's a good day because I woke up and I'm still alive. That's a pretty good day when
01:20you get to this age. Every day counts.
01:22The hardest thing has been watching this man that I idolised my whole life slowly disappear in front of my
01:32eyes.
01:33I can still have a conversation with him every single day, but he doesn't remember it half an hour later.
01:40So it looks like you've got your bag and your hat out ready to go. You're going somewhere today?
01:44I'm always ready to go. Always. Having dementia is interesting because it depends a little bit on
01:52what it affects. If you've got good memory of the good things in life, the good things are far more
02:02important.
02:05Urgently need Land Rover Clutch Plate Series 2. Require water also, if possible, and the signature Lowland Brothers.
02:17That's Lima Echo Yankee, Lima Outbound, November Delta Brothers.
02:26Their travel documentaries over the past 30 years made the Lowland Brothers household names.
02:32Hundreds of hours of television. Tens of thousands of kilometres over the countryside.
02:42A lot of people, when they're going to go on a road trip around Australia these days, say,
02:46I'm going to go and do the Leland Brothers. And off they go on their trip. So they go exploring.
03:00I'm going to go on a road trip.
03:10I'm going to go on a road trip.
03:32I'm going to go on a road trip.
03:40I'm going to go on a road trip.
03:43I'm going to go on a road trip.
04:00I'm going to go on a road trip.
04:22I'm going to go on a road trip.
04:29I'm going to go on a road trip.
04:41And I suggested to Carmen that, you know, maybe it was time that he came to live with us.
04:46We didn't think he was ready to go into a retirement village.
04:50All the memories, eh?
04:52At the moment, I'd say it's classified as moderate dementia.
04:56So many different parts of the country.
04:59Accepting that dad is going to get worse is hard.
05:03We're definitely dreading the day when it gets to the point where we realise that
05:06we can't take care of him anymore.
05:08I don't feel as though it's getting worse.
05:11But luckily, I've got a lot of photographs.
05:12So I've got things to remind me of stuff that I've seen and done.
05:17I can always look them up.
05:22A lot of people think of us as being a pair of Aussie blokes who just grew up in the
05:27suburbs of
05:28Australia.
05:29But in fact, we started out in England.
05:31So we're the original 10-pound POM family.
05:35I think the reason Mike and I ended up as close as we were was because Dad got into
05:40real estate and moved around from one suburb to the next.
05:44And as a result, we changed schools so much that we didn't really get enough time to make
05:50good friends.
05:50So we became each other's best mate.
05:56And his very first film we ever shot was at the Olympic Games.
06:00And that's how we got into shooting films.
06:03And we ended up filming little home movies of things that we did, you know, holiday
06:08trips and stuff like that.
06:14So I bought an old Land Rover and set off on a trip to Ayers Rock.
06:19These days, some people might think it offensive that we climbed the rock.
06:22But in 1961, not many people made the trip and everyone did it.
06:26We had fallen in love with the desert and become completely charmed by Ayers Rock.
06:31We'd made a movie too, an amateur movie, The Lure of the Centre.
06:37Mike showed Lure of the Centre to the news editor and landed the job of Channel 3's first news cameraman.
06:44For a while, Mike and I were rivals.
06:47Using this camera, I started work as a cadet photographer with the afternoon daily paper here,
06:52The Newcastle Sun.
06:54But the rivalry didn't last long.
06:56With only one year's professional experience, we joined forces to make our first commercial film.
07:02And all the books that I'd read said the secret to selling a documentary was to actually do something for
07:07the first time.
07:08So I picked up a map of Australia and thought,
07:11Well, what can we do that's not going to be too expensive and too far away?
07:14I looked at New South Wales and there was this wriggly line going through it and it was the Darling
07:18River.
07:20And no one had done it and it was 1400 miles.
07:26We had no idea what we were letting ourselves in for.
07:29And so inexperienced were we, we never even had a pair of oars with us.
07:33We had an outboard motor only.
07:36And it gave us trouble.
07:38Kept breaking the propellers.
07:40Then we thought, well, if we get some baked bean tins and tip the baked beans out,
07:43we could flatten the tin out and cut it to some, some sort of shape resembling a propeller.
07:48We managed to sell our Down the Darling film to the Nine Network and the film became so popular,
07:54it was repeated within two weeks and got huge audiences.
08:00There isn't any doubt that the success of Down the Darling prompted us to believe that we could make a
08:05living out of doing it.
08:06Adventurers who are actually going out and paying for their adventure by selling the film to a television station.
08:12It was just unique in those days.
08:15And they told me they used Super 8 film.
08:17They were doing it almost home movie style, which everyone loved.
08:20There was a charm to it and it meant they could make really good money out of it.
08:24Five young Australians set out on an expedition never made before.
08:28A journey across a waterless continent.
08:31But we had to come up with something better, something that no one had done before.
08:36And that's when we decided we'll go right across Australia from one side to the other.
08:41And when away we had to cross the Simpson desert.
08:44Ahead lies 300 miles of hard slogging over Simpson sandhills with no water holes at all.
08:51I think the most spectacular, most impressive thing we saw was Ayers Rock in the rain.
08:57We were there, we arrived on one day and it was bright and sunny.
09:01And then the next day at port we had six inches of rain and this broke the eight year drought.
09:10One tourist in a hundred thousand has seen such water spilling from Ayers Rock.
09:15And no cine cameraman has ever filmed it until now.
09:19Nobody had ever filmed an event like this before.
09:22Those pictures became the most famous ones I ever took.
09:26We decided we would road show the film.
09:28We'd take it around the country and hire town halls, cinemas if we could,
09:35and advertise it ourselves and see how we went.
09:38Well to start with everybody said I was mad, you know,
09:40I was throwing the money down the drain advertising it and putting it on.
09:42And in Newcastle the theatre manager said, you know, two days we'll finish it.
09:46And at the end of two week season we'd recovered $15,000,
09:52enough money to buy three houses at the time.
09:54We've just come back from the Kimberleys,
09:56uh, shooting a new series put off the beaten track.
09:59And that's when we started calling ourselves the Leland Brothers.
10:02And we had a bit of a rough time, didn't we?
10:04Yeah, we had a few breakdowns and Land Rovers rolling over and things like this.
10:09But we've come here to sort of accept these as part of the business really.
10:12That's what makes our films interesting, I think.
10:13Mike and Mal as brothers had the most strong relationship,
10:20that I've ever seen between two people ever.
10:23We then moved on to make a new television series called Ask the Leland Brothers.
10:27That was a programme where viewers wrote in and asked us to film anything,
10:31anywhere in Australia, and we travelled there to film it.
10:34And we're going out to Rad's Nest, Ireland, in answer to this request.
10:44We travel with our wives now in two vehicles and we all work together as a team.
10:49Just Mike does all the camera work, I do the sound.
10:51Another good item is a well-equipped picnic set.
10:54Both of the wives were attractive girls.
10:56And both Mike and Mal were a bit sexist.
11:00And so they used their wives as a draw card.
11:05Before we look at packing, consider saving weight in the food department.
11:09Dehydrated food is good, but only in areas where you can get lots of water.
11:13I got pushed in front of the camera, you know. Talk to these people. What about?
11:18But I learnt to start asking questions and that.
11:21And these days, portable gas can be acquired almost everywhere.
11:25It was just part of what the viewers started to like.
11:28But what I think was the secret to it was actually the fact that it was a family,
11:32an average family. We didn't do things that the ordinary bloke couldn't do.
11:40Of course, you do have to inflate the airbed each evening.
11:43But don't try blowing it up with your mouth.
11:45It's far better to save your lungs for breathing in the clean country air you've travelled so far to enjoy.
11:52When we went to sign up with Nine for the Isolated Brothers series,
11:55they said to make sure that we didn't make it too slick.
11:58Because they want it to look like the boys next door.
12:01Sort of an amateur home movie look.
12:06The old saying about hard work not hurting anybody seems to be true.
12:10We discovered this when we were down here in Tasmania.
12:12The ratings were phenomenal.
12:14About 40% of the number of people that are watching TV on any one night watching our show.
12:19That amounts to about three and a half to four million people.
12:23If there's anything you want to know about this great continent of ours,
12:27then ask the Leyland Brothers.
12:30Where do you reckon we are, Mike?
12:33Buggedy wine over it.
12:35Two guys have disposed of their Kodak wrappers properly all over Australia.
12:39I don't think Mike and Mal ever complained about the parodies and the put downs.
12:45They were always put down as these amateurs and so forth.
12:47And it just gave them more and more publicity.
12:49Look at that, the Leyland Brothers putting a smile across Australia.
12:52That's the kind of guys you are, eh?
12:54The biggest advantage was that they had a positive image, a very positive image.
13:00No one ever said no.
13:03Thank you very much, God.
13:04As soon as you mentioned Leyland Brothers, it was, oh, oh yeah.
13:09Because they were almost seen as family and friends.
13:14In 1983, we decided to make a new direction for our career.
13:18Instead of just continuing with television, we wanted to get into tourism.
13:24Mike and I had looked at the idea of building a big tourist park for quite a few years.
13:29And then one day Mike confronted me with the idea that he thought that what we really needed
13:33was some really big thing to attract people.
13:35So instead of building our little timber building, we eventually decided to build a replica of Ayers Rock.
13:45And we ended up having to borrow a lot of money to do it.
13:50The next thing you know, the interest rates had gone up to 26 percent.
13:54And what we'd borrowed had just doubled and then it started to get like a big snowball.
14:01And it was a nightmare.
14:02It started out as a dream and it turned into a nightmare.
14:08Just before we opened Leyland Brothers World, we had about 26,000, I suppose,
14:14in cheques that hadn't been yet presented to the bank.
14:18And they fronted up and said that they weren't going to honour these cheques unless we
14:23provided additional security.
14:25Well, we didn't have any additional security.
14:28And then they said, oh, what about your houses?
14:29We said, well, no, those are always going to be protected.
14:33They're in the girls' names.
14:34And I said, it's my house.
14:36And they said, well, you can't open if you don't sign your house over.
14:42And I ended up doing the one thing I really regret.
14:46I talked her into it.
14:49So in the end, after much persuasion, I signed the house over and I said, well, that's my house gone.
14:55And it was.
14:57They took it.
14:59And we opened.
15:01We were making a lot of profit.
15:02It was going like a rocket.
15:04But things were getting a bit tense with Mike as well.
15:07Mistrust had crept into our relationship and it had never been there before.
15:13And inside it's just like an outback town.
15:15Lorraine and I had done a trip to Central Australia, which was a private trip.
15:19And then later he accused me of putting all those expenses for that through the company.
15:22And I couldn't believe that he didn't trust me, of all people, of all things, what we'd been through.
15:27And then he turned around and accused me of ripping him off.
15:32The partnership that Mike and I had for 29 years was crumbling before my eyes.
15:38And I knew it would never be the same again.
15:42Our relationship was damaged permanently after that.
15:46And it never really recovered.
15:52So the bank walked in, sent the receivers in, put new locks on,
15:56give us 20 minutes to get off the place.
15:57And it was the most devastating day, I reckon, I've ever gone through.
16:02We were absolutely broke to the point where I had to go bankrupt.
16:09That's the day my life collapsed.
16:12Everything we'd worked for, all our lives, everything was tied up in that one project.
16:16And on that day, the receivers walked in and took possession of the whole lot.
16:27I felt like shit, to be perfectly honest.
16:32In hindsight, Lowland Brothers World was a huge mistake, biggest mistake we ever made.
16:40We walked away with $5,000.
16:42That's all we had.
16:45It was a lifetime's work and our personal estate was worth $6.5 million before we built the park.
16:51And I didn't really mind losing the money.
16:56I objected to being treated like a criminal because I lost the money.
16:59And that's what really hurt.
17:02The receivers, though, claim the Leylands are far from being down and out.
17:07They say that though totally legal, Mike and Mal transferred more than a million dollars of assets
17:13into their wives' names over an 18-month period.
17:17It was during that period that the media started chasing us.
17:22Who's come off worse, Leylands, that still live in their big houses, or the people?
17:26The bank.
17:26The local people that have lost their jobs.
17:28It's a big joke, it is.
17:30Our main house was in her name, but the bank took that anyhow.
17:34Apart from that, we had another terrace house in Newcastle, which had a debt on it, but that was sold.
17:42We all had this impression of people who go bad in an industry that they've got it all
17:47away somewhere in their wife's name and they haven't really lost anything.
17:52Well, they did.
17:54You know, it wasn't that they walked away and were still wealthy people.
17:59They had absolutely nothing.
18:01They'd lost it all.
18:07Mike and I had our differences prior to that.
18:12And since there was now nothing left that we jointly owned,
18:15there was no need for us to stay together in partnership.
18:18So for the first time, we went our separate ways.
18:21This is Mike and Malwen, two young Australians who've become legends in their own country.
18:28For a while, we didn't communicate with each other at all.
18:32I said, look, forget the what ifs, that's all finished.
18:35Look ahead, that's the only way you can go.
18:37And then I realised that times were very difficult when Mike wrote a book
18:42and Mal told me he wasn't going to read it.
18:45And I realised then that there'd obviously been a complete split up, which was very, very sad.
18:51Yeah, well, Mike came out of it financially better than me in several ways.
18:55He went into a couple of different business ventures, all of which were very successful.
19:04Well, Lorraine and I ended up with very little money, but we had enough to buy a little bit of
19:07land.
19:08And we moved on to 25 acres of pretty rugged, poor quality bushland, just out from Glen Innes.
19:14We had nothing. We had to start from the ground up.
19:18Lorraine and I were living in a couple of shipping containers.
19:22Look, I was shocked when I went up to see Mal and Lorraine.
19:26It was absolutely clear to me that they were in a terribly desperate financial situation.
19:31And I'd gone from being very, very wealthy, being multi-millionaires,
19:36in a period of about 15 years, to being close to destitute.
19:40And then a week later, I went to the mailbox out in the road and there was a letter from
19:48Dick.
19:48I opened it up and inside was a cheque for $10,000.
19:52I thought it won the lottery. I couldn't believe it.
19:55And he just said on it, to help with your project.
20:03The place Mal built at Glen Innes was absolutely indicative of his attitude to life.
20:10He just got out and went back to basics and with whatever little money he had,
20:15they started to build the place literally with his own hands.
20:19He bought a mill, he cut the trees down on the property, he milled the timber,
20:24he built the building, he did it all.
20:28It's a big, big effort. And I'm not 100% fit, so I have to time myself and pace myself
20:36very slowly.
20:38Well, not long after the collapse of Leyland Brothers World, I discovered I had cancer
20:45in the bladder. I had a huge tumour, which required surgery to be removed.
20:53I've had some success with potatoes already.
20:56And that's encouraged us to think the soil here is probably pretty good for them.
21:01I think growing our own food and living off what we grew ourselves,
21:06getting rid of all the chemicals out of our lives, made a huge difference to my health.
21:11And I defied the odds.
21:20I wanted to get together with Mike and bury the hatchet a bit.
21:26I hadn't seen Mike for a few years, probably four years or so.
21:32One time we were home, I was out in the kitchen and I heard this, hello, hello. And I thought,
21:37who's that?
21:38And I heard a car pull up and there was, Margie got out of the car and started walking towards
21:47us and
21:48then there was this old man behind him who I didn't recognise. And I got a shock when he got
21:54closer and
21:55realised it was Mike. He was all stooped over. He looked ill. And one side of his face was sort
22:02of drooping.
22:04And that's when we found out he had Parkinson's disease.
22:08And he knew he didn't have long to go. And he wanted to come and see me before he did.
22:14He wasn't aware of people much. You know, it's terrible to see him like that.
22:23Some time later I got a call to say we should come down and see him because he wouldn't have
22:27long to go.
22:30He was sitting in his chair and I said, how would you like to do one more trip?
22:34And this little glint come in his eye and one side of his face moved.
22:38And he mouthed the only two words he said while I was there. He said, one more.
22:45I tell you, that really, that really, really hit me. And I just turned around and I said,
22:53I've got to go. And I did this thumbs up thing like that, that we used to do to the
22:58camera together.
22:59You know, I just did that. And he tried to raise his arm to do it. And I knew it
23:06was the last time
23:06I'd see him. So I just said, I've got to go now, mate. I can't stay any longer. And it
23:12was the last time
23:12I saw him alive. And then I got a phone call a few months later saying he'd died.
23:22Mal just about collapsed.
23:27And unfortunately, it meant that I couldn't have the discussion with Mike that I wanted to have.
23:33I wanted Mike to know that I had never been that dishonest person he thought I was. I want him
23:39to
23:39understand that that wasn't what had happened. I wanted to bury the hatchet on that. I wanted that
23:45to be gone and dealt with. It was something I never got the chance to do.
23:55G'day, I'm Mel Leyland. My wife, Lorraine, our daughter, Carmen, have already completed one full
24:00circuit of Australia on a caravan and camping odyssey that most people only dream of.
24:04I often get asked the question of what's it like growing up with, you know, the Leyland brothers,
24:10or one of them as your father. A great feature of the Tokamool area is that they not only have
24:14beautiful strawberries, but you also get the chance to pick your own. For me, I grew up with a camera
24:20in
24:20my face. I grew up travelling and apparently I would run around as a two-year-old and go,
24:26shh, we're filming.
24:32It was 2018 when Mum passed away. Dad really, really struggled to move on with his life.
24:40He felt very lost. My mum was the centre of his life.
24:45He had many ideas of getting back and filming and doing what he loves,
24:50but one way or another, it just didn't come to fruition.
24:54Over here, we've got copies of Mel's books and a lot of his old bits and pieces that he used
25:02for
25:02all the filming. He definitely remembers the past. He has talked a lot about one particular trip,
25:08Wheels Across a Wilderness, which is when they went from Steak Point, the most westerly point of
25:14Australia, all the way across to Cape Byron. It seems incredible, but these five people have
25:20succeeded in crossing for the first time the Australian continent at its widest point.
25:25So it was only recently that my husband and I realised that the 60th anniversary of that
25:30Wheels Across a Wilderness journey is coming up soon. And we went, wow, what an opportunity to
25:37recreate that trip 60 years on. So we've got Where Dead Men Lie, which is your original book,
25:44and of course you've got in here the map that you originally followed roughly.
25:50We're planning to follow the original route as closely as possible, going to all the places that
25:56they stopped at. Up through here, up to the border, and then you cross over, and you end up at
26:03Birdsville. A big town. We thought it was a big town because it had a pub.
26:11It still does. So we're hoping to go in the middle of the year, around the same time that
26:16Dad did the original trip back in 66. The trip like this is a real eye-opener to anyone who's
26:22never
26:22done it. You realise what a great country we live in. Yeah, definitely. So we have managed to get 10
26:29vehicles that are prepared to come along with us, and they have paid to tag along.
26:35The money that we raise from that trip is going towards creating a photographic museum
26:41and gallery in Cairns. So this is the space that you were looking at. I think it'll be perfect for
26:48you what you are looking for. We're currently looking for possible venues. So it will have
26:54a museum element to it where people can hear the story of both my Dad and my Mum. We're going
27:02to
27:02have a cafe in the back of it called Lara's Cafe because my Mum was a passionate cook and always
27:06wanted a little cafe. You could put the cafe along the back wall bay and the gallery would all fit
27:13out here. It was always my Dad's dream to open up a gallery and showcase his work. Because he's actually
27:21a still photographer by trade, but everyone knows him as a documentary filmmaker. I would hate to think
27:27how many photos there are. I think it's great. I mean, it's got plenty of room and it'd be very
27:35nice to
27:35see a lot of the old stuff on display and people coming in and appreciating it. Looks like ginger.
27:47We're really hoping that Dad will be well enough to come on the trip. We are involving him as much
27:52as we
27:52can in the planning. I mean, as far as his physical health is concerned, 100% he's ready to go.
27:59It's just,
28:00we'll see where he's like, where he's at with his dementia at the time, but hopefully he doesn't decline
28:05any further. Well, it's better in there than it does then. Although he won't necessarily remember
28:14the trip at the end, he will enjoy the trip in that moment and that's what's important to us.
28:21I like this one here because it's got that little, it's sticking out of it. Maybe it'll be my last
28:28trip,
28:28I don't know, but I think one day there will be our last trip, I suppose, because one day I'm
28:35going
28:35to fall off my perch. I think I've had a pretty good run. I think my life has been full
28:43of ups and
28:44downs a bit, but I think I'd like to be remembered as a person who was a traveller, photographer and
28:54lover of life. Yeah, one more trip would be pretty good. I remember the wonderful time I had with
29:13Lorraine, my wife. The best thing that ever happened to me was meeting her and marrying her and living
29:19with her. It was wonderful. I sometimes have dreams with her in it and I feel like she's basically
29:25there, you know, and you wake up and you realise of course it's a dream. Meeting her was the highlight
29:31of my life. She was the highlight of my life and in my memory she still is.
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