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The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 4 Episode 2
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00:01You spin me right round, call me when your time runs out, cause I know, I know, I know
00:07what you're, what you're all about, yeah.
00:10You spin me right round, call me when your time runs out, cause I know, I know, I know
00:16I'm sure you've heard of like the dirty sodas.
00:18Yeah.
00:19Yeah, so I want to take you to try one.
00:22Are you down?
00:23Yeah, of course.
00:24Do you call it pop or soda?
00:25Yeah.
00:25Haven't heard anyone under the age of like 60 call it pop.
00:29Yeah.
00:30I invited Ben to come visit me for the first time.
00:34He's from Virginia originally, but I met him off TikTok live.
00:40Lately, I've been chasing daydreams.
00:44I don't know why I was just like, immediately it was like, crush, crush.
00:48Weeks go by and we've had obviously phone calls, you know, I've watched him on his TikToks
00:53and we've communicated.
00:54Life's been pretty crazy right now, but despite my busy schedule, I wanted to make time to
00:58fly Ben out and meet him in person.
01:00The plan is to just get to know him.
01:02I just feel like it's time for bringing him to Utah.
01:04Yeah.
01:05I get really nervous meeting people.
01:07Yeah.
01:08Especially guys.
01:09It's kind of like, if they bail, good.
01:12Good.
01:13It's relief.
01:14Yeah, I'm like, sweet.
01:15I'm like, oh, you're bailing.
01:18Yeah.
01:18So in my head, I'm like, eh, it'll be fine.
01:20And then you're like, yeah, I'm coming.
01:22And I was like, oh shit.
01:24It's honestly kind of odd to date after Dakota.
01:27I think since I haven't dated much, I haven't dated recently, you know, I've been, you know,
01:32was married for a lot of years and then had a relationship.
01:35So I don't have a lot of experience in that department.
01:38And so I'm kind of just keeping this like nothing serious, to be honest.
01:42Like, it's just, I'm barely getting back into it.
01:44All right.
01:45I want to know.
01:45I want to know.
01:46Yeah.
01:49Disgusting.
01:50No.
01:51No, it's actually so good.
01:52The timing is kind of awkward for Ben's visit because I just found out a podcast that
01:56I did is coming out with some big news.
01:58Well, you're a, you're a big boy.
02:00I told Ben, he knows about it, but let's see.
02:03Come ye saints and come ye sinners.
02:10Alleluia.
02:12Listen up.
02:14I'm the one you've been dreaming of.
02:17I got everything you could ever want.
02:21Try me in your sleep.
02:23I'll bring you to your knees.
02:25Baby, you're gonna believe.
02:27Hey.
02:27Hey.
02:28A lot of Curlegパ deram害.��voodoo,
02:37Thank you so much.
02:38You're welcome. Hey.
02:38in the� by. Baby, you're welcome.
02:49Jimmy. Okay.
02:59Hi. Oh my God. Hi. I am excited and honestly honored to be on Call Her Daddy. I have a
03:07big
03:08announcement and obviously she's one of the biggest podcasts in the world. I think let's
03:12just get right into it. You are on Call Her Daddy so we can officially announce that you
03:20are this season's bachelorette. How are you feeling? To be honest, surreal. It has not hit
03:28me like right now in this moment. I'm just thinking about it and it's like, it's not real.
03:34You can't really process it. It's just like so crazy and like the bachelorette, like saying
03:39that out loud is crazy. The bachelorette, like that is huge. It's the crossover we didn't
03:43know we needed. MomTalk sensation and Mormon wives star Taylor Frankie Paul is America's
03:49next bachelorette. Will MomTalk survive you as the next bachelorette? I think so. I think
03:56we'll survive this one. Taylor just got the bachelorette. This is so exciting. You're going
04:00to meet new men. I couldn't be more excited. Like I'm going to be posting watch parties.
04:05Like I will be there. I think Taylor's going to thrive in the environment. Truly. I love
04:10to see her yell at Dakota. So I would love to see her put other men in their place too.
04:15So that's going to be your moment. Everyone wants you to find your person.
04:18This is crazy. So thank you.
04:40I'm curious about your religion. Really? I am because you said you grew up with like
04:46you're a Christian. I grew up like born raised Christian. Went to church all the time growing
04:53up like every Sunday. What do you think about Mormons? Like what you know about them?
04:58People say that you guys are a cult.
05:01I am keeping a guard up with Ben because I have a history of, you know, falling maybe
05:06a little too fast or jumping into things too fast. So that was something I did not want
05:11to do again, especially before the bachelorette. We're just kind of like, I don't know, hanging
05:16out. You know, I'm practicing getting out of my comfort zone into my uncomfort. And that's
05:19really all this is. I don't really see an issue. If anything, it's just like good practice.
05:25Well, sorry. My friend's going. Hello. Hi. Hi. It's me and Mikayla. We're all genuinely
05:35excited for Taylor becoming the bachelorette. And I thought it could be fun to give her a
05:39little rundown and just kind of give her that experience before she enters it herself without
05:43the sex. Yeah. Yeah. You guys should come over. But one thing also. Well, I have a friend
05:51here too. Ben is in town. He's like here like right now. Yeah. He's sitting right next to
06:00me and you're on speaker. So be nice. Oh, amazing. So can we come meet him then? If you guys
06:07want. Are you? No, of course. Yeah. Yeah. He said it's no, please. He said, please.
06:13Oh, you're a nice voice next to me. We would love to come meet Ben. Would it be just you
06:18two or like all of you guys? It's a whole mom talk initiation, I think. I think it's
06:24like six of us or nine of us. Oh, yeah. Well, you guys are all welcome here. Come on. Come
06:29home. I do think it's very intimidating that mom talk is going to be meeting Ben. I'm actually
06:35shocked he agreed to it because, I mean, he is a little bit more passive and a little bit
06:40shy, but I think it'll go well. I hope. I mean, I think, I hope so. Okay. Love you. Bye.
06:49Love you. Bye. Do you like my sexy socks?
06:56I was just going to comment on your sexy socks.
07:00I was going to say, damn, those were sexy. Yeah. Yeah.
07:21All right. We've got so, so many things happening within the next few weeks. We've got
07:26Preston, New York, the GMAs. Yeah. The Emmys. And then we also have a couple events. I think
07:33we start with green and see what we like. Yeah. Okay. Amazing. Yeah. Life has been absolutely
07:39insane since we've moved to LA. Before Zach left a villa, we were able to find a home that
07:44we absolutely love. And so I couldn't be happier. Jenny, come upstairs. I'm here. Today, I am
07:53visiting Jen's home in LA. I am so relieved that they finally found a place. Okay. Let's stop the
08:01screening. Should we hose them out back? Hello. Having Zach being away, to be honest, is a bit
08:11challenging. I'm not getting a lot of sleep and holding down the fort by myself is kind of hard.
08:17Despite all the chaos, I truly am grateful. I wouldn't be living my dream without him.
08:23MomTalk. And so I'll forever be grateful for MomTalk. All right. Let's take a look and see
08:29how we feel. I know, right? That one's pretty hot, Jen. I love that one. Main character.
08:38It is. Yeah. Well, maybe not that. It's giving main cards. Yeah. Well, we won't wear the song.
08:44They're like, what happened to the super 90s? What is this? It's so crazy to see Jen from season
08:49one and Jen to now. Jen season one had a lot of anxiety about being this perfect Mormon.
08:55Just like pleasure twice a day. I personally would never promote a sex brand. I feel like
09:04now she's finding ways to express herself, finding more of who she is, her own identity,
09:09her own fashion, and not letting this anxiety of being the perfect Mormon identify her.
09:15Thank you. Hello. There's a library. Hi, sweetie. Hi. Hi. Tell me the tea.
09:24Okay. Report back. Yeah. Who's there?
09:29Um, some girls from Alex Cooper's dating show just showed up today. Okay. And then just the staff.
09:36What happened? For the most part, yeah, there's some crazy stuff that went down. I've been asked
09:42not to tell you. Oh, just tell me. Uh, no. Zach isn't giving us any specifics about what's happening.
09:53I don't know if it's because he's worried that we're going to tell the other women
09:56and stir up some shit, but it's feeling very tight-lipped right now. And I find that very interesting.
10:22You smell good. You put a clone on? No. No? Do I smell good? Yeah, I smell good.
10:33I'm excited to meet Ben. I'm also interested to see who Taylor is kind of attracting. The
10:39whole situation is kind of weird to me, considering she's dating this guy, but also she's said yes
10:44to the bachelorette, and she's going to go date, like, 30 men in less than a month.
10:57Taylor. He's going to get his ass handed to him. Just kidding.
11:01Hello. Hello. What's up? Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. I'm Ben. Nice to meet you. Ben, Benjamin,
11:07yeah.
11:08You answering the door already is pretty crazy, Benjamin.
11:11Who the hell is this guy? I mean, he's cute, but I just feel like he kind of looks similar
11:16to Dakota.
11:18Hello. Hello. What's up? This must be Ben. Oh, my gosh. I'm Ben. Hi. Nice to meet you.
11:24Nice to meet you. I'm going for a hug. Hello. Yeah, this is a lot for you to, like, walk
11:28into. I'll sit there until she comes.
11:29Yeah, there you go. There you go. We'll put her on the hot seat. I like feeling like I'm part
11:32of the group.
11:33We said Macy. It's like Joseph Smith with all his wives. Jesse. That's exactly what I was thinking, yeah.
11:38Wait, wait. Do you know much about Mormonism? Do you know much about me?
11:41Okay, we got to entertain you this night. Wait, that's kind of refreshing. It is, yeah. He knows nothing.
11:46Like, that's like our whole life. I think it's important for Taylor to get a little practice before going into
11:54dating so many men.
11:55Hopefully she can meet her dream man. I mean, what that will look like. Hopefully somebody that's not Dakota.
12:03Hopefully somebody who can calm her internal storm. That's what I hope for her.
12:09You know what I was saying to Jesse we should have done is, have you seen those videos where they're
12:13all doing a seance around the fire and they have the bedsheet?
12:15Oh, my God, he got to run.
12:18And you're like, he's trying to scare him away. Like, this is what Mormons do.
12:23So since Ben is here, we have to put him through a little interrogation, you know, because that is what
12:27MomTalk does best.
12:28I need to get these facts out of him. I need to know the answers. I need to know the
12:32dates.
12:32We need to get all this out of the way so that, like, there are no future issues.
12:37What do you do?
12:45I was a program manager for a tech company.
12:48Okay.
12:49And then I got laid off like a month ago.
12:52It's all good.
12:54I think that's definitely a red flag right now, especially because Taylor does have a pattern of attracting these guys
13:00who are using her for clout and money and fame and whatever.
13:04Dakota, for example.
13:06Have you dated a mom before?
13:08Oh, good.
13:09Do you want to hold a baby? Let's see how you do.
13:17Oh, very good.
13:20Look, she said dad, dad.
13:27What are you, what are you, what are you, what are you doing to cry and give us one arm?
13:31Get out, red flag.
13:32We're not doing weaponized incompetence. Get out.
13:35Okay, wait, I want to know how you feel about all of this, like being the bachelorette.
13:39It's not even like going on the bachelor, like she is the bachelorette.
13:44It's good for her and everything.
13:47It's not good for you.
13:50Are you a little nervous?
13:52What if she finds her husband?
13:54Where do you stand?
14:04Are you a little nervous?
14:06What if she finds her husband?
14:07Where do you stand?
14:09I mean, if that's how it happens.
14:11Let's give him a break.
14:12Let him settle in.
14:13I mean, if she finds someone who she's happier with, then that's good.
14:17I have a lot of questions about a lot of the shit that Taylor does, and I don't think I'll
14:20ever understand, but with her going on the bachelorette, I feel like she's getting really
14:24close to this guy.
14:25I don't know what the intentions are there.
14:27I feel like it might just be her subconsciously sabotaging her happiness and her experiences
14:32and the bachelorette, but I don't know.
14:36Who knows with Taylor anymore?
14:38Speaking of the bachelorette, we were supposed to be doing our fantasy suite mock-up tonight,
14:42so we can still maybe like do a mock run-through and like you could be the contestant.
14:46Oh my gosh, hell yeah.
14:48You're going to do everything.
14:49All right, are we ready?
14:50We have the rose ceremony platter.
14:53Listen up.
14:54All right, Taylor, this is how it's going to look on the night of, okay?
14:58You're going to dramatic pause, make eye contact.
15:13Macy.
15:18Oh, I'm like, if I get divorced, it's on.
15:22Wait, that was kind of hot.
15:23Okay, you're good.
15:24And they have the names in there, right?
15:26Yeah, so look down.
15:27Give us a dramatic pause.
15:28Okay.
15:30Taylor.
15:30Make eye contact or we're going home.
15:32This is incredibly awkward.
15:35I can't do this.
15:36I can't do this.
15:37Yes, you can.
15:40Just pretend they're women and that they're naked.
15:44Ben.
15:45Oh, my bad.
15:46Let's see.
15:47Yeah, walk towards her.
15:49Like you're walking down the aisle.
15:50Ben, I chose to give you my first impression, Rose, because you felt like home.
15:57And I feel like we resonated on a lot.
15:59And so, will you accept this for us?
16:02Kiss.
16:03Now make out.
16:04Kiss.
16:05Kiss.
16:06Kiss.
16:06Kiss.
16:07Kiss.
16:08The hat cover was so cute.
16:12MomTalk does think the whole Ben situation is complicated before the bachelorette.
16:16And sure, it may be to them.
16:18But I had already told him that I was going out to do this.
16:21We kind of knew to like, you know, guards up.
16:23I think it's a first step of like opening up to dating.
16:26It's really exciting.
16:27And I think it's hard to say that it's always messing with me.
16:30So, it's like, are we shocked?
16:31Not really.
16:32I mean, if I was in a relationship, that would be a completely different story.
16:34But I'm not.
16:35I'm having fun.
16:37Oh, my gosh.
16:38I need to practice.
16:39You did so good.
16:40You did do good.
16:41I feel like Taylor being the bachelorette is a huge opportunity for her.
16:45We're all just hoping that she can go and represent herself in the best way to find that
16:50real and genuine, authentic love.
16:52But also represent MomTalk in the best way as well so that we can thrive as a business
16:56and MomTalk on top of it.
16:58Yeah, we need to.
16:59Now you're going to be less nervous night one, right?
17:02I was so distracted by this little rose ceremony that I look at my phone and I missed a call
17:06from Jacob, who's in London with the boys.
17:08So, I need to hurry and call him back because I'm definitely excited to get the tea and
17:12see if the boys are behaving themselves.
17:14And I know that Jacob is a reliable source for this information.
17:17Well, I have to call Jacob.
17:19Let's see what he has to say.
17:21Oh, he's FaceTiming.
17:21Oh, hello.
17:23Hey, guys.
17:24What's going on?
17:25Spill the beans, Jacob.
17:26There's no tea.
17:29There's no tea.
17:31Don't lie.
17:32Literally, I can tell when you're lying and you're a horrible liar.
17:36There's nothing going on.
17:37Did anyone else come?
17:39Because I said that girls were coming.
17:40Yeah, they were.
17:41Wait, so which one did Dakota sleep with?
17:46Dakota didn't sleep with anyone.
17:47Okay, which one did Dakota go back to their room with?
17:50Worst liar?
17:52Like, Jacob, I know you too well.
17:54I know when you're, like, lying.
17:57This is the hard thing is I don't think that you guys have healthy boundaries with your friends.
18:01Ew, Jacob.
18:02No.
18:03Who is this person?
18:04Did I call Jacob?
18:05I'm getting heated.
18:06Who did I call?
18:08Get accustomed with those single man boundaries because you're about to be one.
18:13Did you just hang up on him?
18:15What the hell?
18:17Dude.
18:17What the hell?
18:19That was disgusting.
18:21I hate that for you.
18:22What have you guys been doing?
18:23Oh, we've just been yelling at Jacob on the phone.
18:26Why?
18:27Why?
18:27You guys, he's drinking the Kool-Aid of Dakota and Jordan and Chase.
18:31And I'm like, get out of there.
18:33What did he do?
18:34Kool-Aid.
18:35You guys.
18:35I told you that you guys, he was going to start to like Chase.
18:39He's like, he's like, I'm not going to tell you what Dakota's doing.
18:43Wait, someone didn't tell me shit.
18:45I'm definitely grateful that Jace did not go to the villa because I feel like it's now causing
18:50issues in everyone's marriage.
18:51Just the fact that the guys are being so quiet about everything and it's leading everyone
18:56to think that they're hiding something.
18:58I just feel sick to my stomach right now.
18:59I don't blame you.
19:00I would too.
19:01Don't spiral.
19:02But I did like suck.
19:03But you don't know.
19:04You don't know.
19:05I don't know.
19:06I wouldn't spiral and like do something crazy before knowing anything crazy.
19:10I just texted him.
19:11I just texted him.
19:12No, but I didn't text him.
19:13Like, is there more that I should know?
19:15You're beating him.
19:16Oh my God.
19:17You are.
19:17I do think I have every right to be worried about Mason in the villa, especially because
19:22Jordan is basically pushing Mason to have fun and let loose and, you know, have a great
19:28time.
19:29I want him to have fun.
19:30However, I just don't trust some of dad talk, especially Jordan.
19:34And I wouldn't put it past him to encourage bad behavior while in the villa.
19:38This is my boyfriend.
19:40I have every right to ask.
19:41I'm not insecure for asking questions.
19:43Also, he wouldn't be there if it wasn't for me.
19:45So I have every right to fucking ask.
19:47I can see you getting triggered and don't take that to him immediately and scare him
19:50away without knowing details.
19:52If you get scared away by me asking questions, that's on him.
19:54I think it's just the fear of the unknown because there is something they're hiding.
19:58For me, I would be, if I'm in a relationship, I would also be in a fresh one.
20:01I'd be scared.
20:20Hey, where are you at?
20:22Oh, I see you.
20:23Come on over.
20:24I didn't want to navigate with this wagon, so.
20:29It's so good to see you.
20:31Today, Demi and I are meeting up.
20:33We haven't seen a ton of each other since last season.
20:37And I think right now, Demi and I are friendly and we're on the path to becoming friends again.
20:43We have talked about some issues off camera, but there are still some things that are unresolved.
20:48Kind of feels like the pressure of Demi coming back to mom talk is on my shoulders.
20:52I think I was the most hurt by her out of everyone.
20:54So I think their way of thinking is like, if Jessie can forgive her, we all can.
20:57How did Sunday go, the Bon Voyage?
21:00It was so dramatic.
21:02It was so bad, yeah.
21:03Because Jordan.
21:04On a huge fight.
21:05And then he went to the villa, which I told him, I was like, I do kind of need some
21:08space.
21:09I said, I think it's a good time that you're going because I just kind of need a breather.
21:12And yeah, kind of like figure out what I want.
21:13Yeah.
21:14Have you talked to him at all in the villa?
21:15So he called me today, FaceTimed me.
21:18How was it?
21:19Oh, today's been eventful.
21:21Lisa asked me if I'd be willing to talk with Marciano and I said, yeah.
21:24They went into Lisa's office and it was just them two.
21:27And he said that Marciano was kind of like a dog with his tail tucked between his legs
21:31and was like, I'm just sorry.
21:32And Jordan's like, well, why now?
21:33Like now that there's cameras out, you're sorry?
21:35Because you had almost a year to apologize to me.
21:37Yeah.
21:37Yeah.
21:37And he was like, yo, you're right.
21:38I've just been thinking about it.
21:39And he said he just kind of talked in circles a little bit.
21:41He was like, I am sorry.
21:42What I did was wrong.
21:43Yeah.
21:44I wanted to tell you this because Jordan goes, well, what happened with Demi?
21:47Like now's the time to tell the truth.
21:48Yeah.
21:49And he goes, he doubled down.
21:51And he was like, we did kiss in the villa and we said, I love you.
21:56Where did the I love you come from suddenly?
21:58This was in the villa, he said.
22:00What?
22:01Yeah.
22:01Demi, what's your reaction to these allegations made by Marciano?
22:12So then Jordan's like, this isn't working.
22:14You're not changing and got up and left.
22:15Dig your grave, buddy.
22:16Yeah.
22:17I think it gave him a lot of closure.
22:19Okay, good.
22:19But he's like, okay, Jesse was telling the truth.
22:21Like no more bombs are going to be dropped, which is probably freeing.
22:24Yeah.
22:25But yeah, like along with healing, like I've been going to therapy and I've seen Gabby a
22:28little bit for NLP and stuff.
22:30Yeah.
22:30But I think it might be a good idea for us to meet with her.
22:32Like close the, you know, gap on what went down with us.
22:35Like it'll be a good way to like bring it back.
22:37I agree.
22:38You know, Gabby is an energy healer slash psychic and she counsels both Demi and I.
22:43Um, it feels like something's coming up with you and Jordan.
22:48Like I see you kind of having like walls up.
22:51Okay.
22:51We've been going to therapy and the biggest thing is I do have walls up and I say it exactly
22:55like that.
22:56Gabby's been so great for me because since leaving the church, I don't have like a bishop
23:00to turn to and Gabby fills in that like spiritual void that I'm missing.
23:05I'm hoping that it helps us and that it's good.
23:08We can just get insight and it'll be good.
23:10So I'm like, if you're open to it.
23:12Yes.
23:13The thing that's most confusing about my friendship with Demi is there was so much pain and so much
23:18that happened, but we also have a lot of fun together, but she also almost broke mom talk
23:23last year.
23:24So I need to be more cautious and more careful of who I allow in my life.
23:27But I'm hoping that the session with Gabby can give me, you know, feeling that I can trust
23:31to me and that her intentions are pure.
23:41I love her.
23:44I love her.
23:49You look so good.
23:50Kate, tell me everything.
23:52It's a great detail.
23:54I'm out of the airport right now to pick up Chase and Mace.
23:57They're getting back from Vanderbump Villa.
23:58And to say I'm excited to hear all the tea would be an understatement.
24:08It's kind of zilch.
24:09It's kind of silent and crickets.
24:11I feel like they are hiding stuff and they don't want us to know what happened.
24:15Lay it on me, boys.
24:16I need to hear it all.
24:17I'm, like, confused why you guys are, like, not wanting to say things.
24:20Because it's literally going to come out in a couple months.
24:30London was a bonding experience for Dad Talk.
24:32I feel like we all came together.
24:34And right now, like, I'm looking out for my boy Dakota and making sure I have his best interest in
24:37mind.
24:38Dakota right now doesn't need to be faithful to anyone.
24:40He's not dating Taylor.
24:42I don't think there's any reason for him to be telling all the girls exactly who he's hooked up with.
24:46So right now, I think we all need to keep our lips shut and just get back home.
24:50And let Taylor enjoy her life.
24:52Because I think right now, the worst thing for Taylor is Dakota.
24:55And I think the worst thing for Dakota is Taylor.
24:57And I think everyone can agree on that.
24:59We're back.
24:59Oh, my naughty husband.
25:11I was ready to come home after the first day, to be honest.
25:19Do we just have a pact that we're not telling anyone anything that happened?
25:25first night drank a lot in the hot tub we played
25:32truth or dare but i mean with respect to mace he the entire time was a perfect blend of someone
25:39that would hang out with the crew and then when it was time to go to bed he was in
25:42bed
25:47zach was a dog i fucking loved zach so cool zach he was such a homie the whole time really
25:54dakota is literally one of the funniest people i've ever hung out with these are my favorite
25:58people my face was cramping from laughing it's so funny my cheeks i've never experienced that
26:04side of that man but oh dude i think dakota i'm gonna on record i think he is one of
26:08the
26:08fucking best dudes i would love to hang out with dakota all the time
26:13i feel reassured with chase telling me that mason didn't do anything i feel like it feels good
26:18to hear but i'm definitely shocked to hear that the boys are just so infatuated by dakota i did
26:23not think that they were going to come back loving him that's definitely a shocker to me i don't know
26:28what occurred in the villa to make that happen but i mean to each their own i don't know if
26:34it's the
26:34good idea to be on team dakota are you gonna like start hanging out with dakota now though both of
26:39you
26:39yeah oh how are you how was it you guys have fun uh yeah so much fun
26:58coming back from the villa i'm excited to continue to work on my relationship i think i did get
27:03somewhat of the closure with marciano i think that there was some peace in kind of burying the
27:09hatchet to the best that we could have well this trip was about dad talk coming together wasn't about
27:15the drama if you say that one more time i swear to you you won't be sleeping in my bed
27:20i know a lot
27:21about the couch i think that i could teach you a couple things i know obviously you guys have your
27:26pins about chase but it was like a really good time and um mason was fun to hang out with
27:31mason
27:32and chase were both like fun and good and like they were good what does that mean it's good in
27:37bed
27:37oh okay you can lift that in terms of relationships and people being faithful dad talk for the four
27:45faithful dudes four out of four yeah for the girls i wasn't unfaithful in the villa yeah but no mine
27:52was
27:53after okay anyway tell us what dad talk was up to in the villa everyone was trying to kiss me
28:00and i said no and i was like leave him alone leave him alone jesus get off and then jordan
28:06kissed him
28:15i'm trying to keep my mouth shut in this situation to avoid a potential outburst because i'm not only
28:21getting the ick really badly from both of them i mean jordan always gives me the ick but now jacob
28:25is
28:26starting to in this situation together nice one boys i'm like what the hell is going on here i'm
28:33who's a stranger that jordan brought back from london because it's not jacob there was this one girl
28:38there and i could tell like right after she walked in dakota was like eyes locked what did she look
28:42like but dakota will screw anything that has eyes yeah boobs jordan's like a little mormon boy on his
28:50first night after getting married you know he's only gonna last a few seconds with a secret like this
28:54and right off the bat someone dares elissa to come and kiss dakota and she comes up and kisses dakota
29:00and the girl flips her shit what he gets up and leaves no well we're like you just met him
29:07okay
29:07then did you want to do anything else you went to bed and then went to bed no you guys
29:11are
29:13what is happening dad talk
29:18and then we all went to bed and happily ever oh my god if you want to lie be good
29:22at it
29:23what did you go to do he slept with her unequivocally yes
29:29i just think in the place that jesse and i have been in that it's really important for me to
29:34put my
29:35relationship and my marriage and and being honest with my wife first
29:40jordan what the fuck man we had this pact we were not supposed to tell our wives anything and you
29:45went
29:45and blurbed everything to jesse like this is definitely going to get back to taylor like any
29:49minute so he had sex with her amazing has he moved on from taylor did that help
29:57yeah am i shocked that dakota slept with someone absolutely not that man would sleep with a
30:02doorknob if taylor is questioning whether he slept with someone she'll know but i know that she gets
30:08really triggered by dakota and everything that he does and so i think that there is potential that
30:13she could freak out crash out and kind of lose her mind over at the same time
30:36jen you sleep good i'm a little tired not gonna lie i know it's just the newborn stage four hours
30:43is
30:43the new six hours there you go and six hours is like the new eight hours jen and i's relationship
30:50is great i'm so excited to share this experience with jen because it is going to be very overwhelming
30:57very daunting but i'm going to be able to have a familiar face that i get to see every day
31:01in the dance studio are you guys going to church down here um we didn't go last week just because
31:06we
31:06were still moving in we went grocery shopping last sunday whoa whoa sinners to be honest i'm still
31:13struggling with my faith so much has happened this year that i i feel like i can't even keep up
31:18i feel
31:19like there hasn't even been a moment or time for me to even just like really reflect and ask myself
31:25what i want especially with having a career like mine i do feel like i need to feel grounded and
31:33i don't
31:33feel that right now broke this habit i feel like church is different in um different states yes
31:42yeah in utah like completely different i know i want to start going again i feel like i need that
31:47in my life going to church on sunday it was kind of my way to recharge and reflect i do
31:56think that maybe
31:57it's possible to go back with a different perspective different attitude and somewhat of different
32:03beliefs what can we do to help you feel ready it's like we need to have like a mom talk
32:08bible study
32:09wait that would be amazing wouldn't that be the best like i feel like i still need to finish the
32:14bible
32:33if you would have told me six months ago when you were channeling mine and demise fight that we
32:37would be doing this like i wouldn't have believed you what do you feel like your intentions are like
32:42going into this session i want peace i don't want to fight so i'm like happy we're good yeah but
32:47i
32:47still obviously like i'm nervous i'm scared to like let her in i feel like gabby's here to kind
32:52of be like a neutral third party mediator for demi and i and she's also a bullshit detector and she
32:58will tell us if one of us is lying or is on the wrong page oh shit some of this
33:02burnt is that a sign
33:03sign or was it just or was it me being dumb that's funny i'm like our friendship's burning yeah
33:11oh is she here yeah i'll go get it live here hi come to my house hello oh you brought
33:18swig
33:20it looks so good in here you haven't seen it since we redid it oh i literally almost got lost
33:25coming
33:25here no way it's not long yeah that's funny because you live four minutes away i don't not
33:29believe how have you been good much better i was not good i've genuinely been like focusing on what
33:34i can control letting go of the rest yeah leaving the show was like the ultimate test of like
33:40letting go really but you didn't for a while no i had like was driving by no literally i'm like
33:46driving by who's filming what's going on we should look up the footage to see if it was like
33:49really him like are you sure no i was him is it there is oh wait that was for sure
33:54him i literally
33:55like had a psychotic break i'm sure i get that it was insane the fact that demie is like admitting
34:00that you know she sent brett to drive by the house is kind of funny and shocking i thought for
34:06sure she
34:06would deny that because it's embarrassing maybe it's a good sign that she can be honest to get started
34:11i want to hear a little bit more about where you guys are at we worked it out like as
34:16a group
34:17like all of mom talk i just want to make sure that jumping back into the friendship we're not just
34:21like okay we're all good and then it festers this is what it feels like it feels like things have
34:25been
34:25touched on but not really like does that feel true to your guys's conversations yeah yeah trust is a
34:31huge thing and i do feel like there's a level to which i'm scared to like fully trust you what
34:37what's
34:38the reason for that like i mean i don't know exactly what to tie it to but how you would
34:43like
34:43comment about me online not justifying it but like i i'm not one to like go do those things if
34:49everything's fine i feel like it was like trigger points of like i didn't feel like you had my back
34:54like you weren't being a real friend to me there were so many things that were said online that i'm
34:58like either that's not true or it was spun like discrediting the marciano situation like i wasn't
35:04online talking about you having an affair but the whole narrative around me like was awful it was like
35:12all negative with the taylor situation with the marciano stuff with me potentially leaving the show
35:18because that was like very hurtful especially to get it from everyone but like specifically you
35:25this marciano thing the pattern that i'm feeling just a hundred percent and you can tell me if i'm
35:31wrong feels like maybe emotional cheating
35:37genuinely truly there were no romantic feelings that i felt towards this person
35:43there's been multiple situations in the past where it was that like i felt like i was developing
35:47feelings in this situation it was not that it wasn't that i was like attracted to him i wasn't
35:52even physically attracted to him
35:56gabby's telling us that she feels like there was emotional cheating between to me and marciano
36:00which to me is now firmly denying this is upsetting to me because to me admitted to me off camera
36:05that
36:05she emotionally cheated with marciano she admitted that she took things way too far
36:10so the fact that she's denying it here right now means she can't be authentic she can't be honest
36:15both off and on camera so it worries me that if we bring her back into mom talk and we
36:19allow her
36:20back into this group it's going to destroy mom talk as a whole you said there were multiple
36:23situations in the past where you developed feelings outside of your relationship can you
36:29elaborate on that
36:34my head is like spinning a little bit for your guys's friendship going forward you got to get to
36:39like the root of the patterns because right now when i'm feeling into it it's like
36:43i don't feel like this game is going to end
36:49where do you go when the devil puts a price upon your head what do you see when you're stepping
36:55even closer to the air you guys oh nice okay i'm gonna sit ahead yeah yeah you can sit you
37:02want to
37:02sit that far away from me is this all of us tonight dad talk is going to dinner we all
37:07became really
37:07close at the villa and we had a great time zach's back in la so he will not be joining
37:12us but i'm a
37:13little bit anxious because i kind of spilled the beans about dakota having sex to macy jesse and
37:20michaela do you guys still feel jet lagged bro i actually feel like i was jet lagged the whole time
37:24we were there i still can't tell how i feel have you slept i don't know well when you get
37:31that much
37:31action yeah oh really no way oh my god my guys you must have been good in the sack for
37:39her to
37:39want to dm you i am emoji purple people and the water asking me how to sex bro she'll tell
37:46you
37:46put the wet emoji bunch yeah yeah yeah yeah you guys been all right with all your your girlies after
37:52that you guys jacob and i showed up it was like we don't care we don't care what happened yeah
37:58like asking every question left and right they wanted it so fast they didn't even say hi or
38:02anything so what happened yeah the conversation like got heated just because like because he was
38:10like i he said he's like i like dakota i like oh hell yeah yeah and macy was like we're
38:17getting divorced
38:19i'm like i don't need to tell you because it's gonna go right to taylor you guys don't need to
38:23know
38:24but yeah i was definitely sleeping on the couch for a night or two so does taylor know about the
38:29villa i don't know dude you told your wife he was hooking up with a bunch of people like the
38:36second
38:37you got out of the villa no i was it was while i was on the door
38:45so jordan called me today he started facetiming me so he said that last night he's like things got
38:50crazy dakota did like a four-way kiss with like three girls and then he was gonna lose it
38:58hooking up with a bunch of people dude yeah that's i said i said he had i said he had
39:03a
39:03throwaway kiss because he's my guy but that's my guy also gets murdered dude so that's not my guy
39:11hey i want to have the type of relationship where i can tell my wife anything wait what i feel
39:17betrayed by jordan in this moment i think just because jordan of all people knows kind of like
39:22my situation probably better than most and just kind of like how taylor is and just like what that
39:28typically looks like for me on my end we can't tell you shit because you will tell her
39:32100 and she does every time jesse told me that taylor's guy was coming in town and i didn't
39:39tell him because i didn't want him to freak the fuck out you only tell him when it's against his
39:42ass that's that's what i'm saying that's not your boy hey sorry bro hey sorry dude the fucking
39:48sorry bro i would have told you i get that if you actually care about my situation dude at all
39:54heads up would help you absolutely this is crazy but i'm so sorry you need to fucking say sorry that
39:59was fucked and take ownership for your shit oh how the fucking turntables that's fucking crazy
40:04take ownership right now that's what i did no take ownership i didn't mean to disrespect you i
40:09thought where's brad i'm sorry for disrespecting you okay i didn't mean to do that and i'm sorry
40:13fuck out of here all right i'm sorry didn't mean to do that this feels awesome by the way full
40:18circle
40:18now fucking do it fucking on up i just want the context is something super important i want to be
40:22seen you know what i'm saying and i mean you know bro get real wordy over here get real wordy
40:27to say
40:27i'm fucking sorry all i'm trying to do right now is save my marriage at this point that's it don't
40:34put his shit out there though i'm trying to explain where it's coming from i am sorry don't say i
40:38wanted
40:38to tell you thing that you if you want to keep anything locked oh i'm at all don't tell his
40:43ass
40:43because he owes his wife to tell him immediately on the phone so he's apparently isn't in the doghouse
40:48we told her i said she said you know that i know she doesn't that's why i'm saying that feels
40:54like
40:54a jab at me like i'm not doing it for that like if you're my friend dude this is crazy
40:58you're my
40:59friend that's why it feels so double and then you don't tell me her shit because i didn't help me
41:03because you should be there for me not to tell you she said hey i don't like that that's where
41:08i was
41:08like so you're mad at me for that i'm mad at her for that i'm mad at you for that
41:11because you're
41:11my friend you claim you're my friend who does that jordan was the one leading the conversations
41:17about what we should and shouldn't say and we were going to you know handle this the right way
41:22because the girls will spin it out of control and then for him to be the one to tell jesse
41:27fucking pissed me off i just said i'm sorry ownership that's your whole fucking thing i'm
41:32sorry you're just eating it stop fucking making up excuses afterwards don't say sorry i'm not making
41:36an excuse i'm just telling you the content this is why your wife's sleeping in a hyatt every fucking two
41:40weeks
41:50this is why your wife's sleeping in a hyatt every fucking two weeks
41:56this is exactly why no one likes chase he always shoots below the belt and says things that are so
42:02outrageous i stand by the fact that i'm gonna tell my wife everything that's going on don't ever ask
42:07questions about any of us then i'm not going out sharing your shit i think everything i've shared
42:12with you almost is like bit me in the ass no one's being asked to lie to their wives i
42:18would never
42:18advocate for you to lie for dakota that's not what we're saying here consider the fucking timing i was
42:23that too much to fucking ask hey good yeah that's what i was trying to do as long as production
42:28loved
42:28it dude you'd tell anything about anyone here yep i didn't tell him about the thing that she asked me
42:33one for one dude let's fucking keep trying to start i was trying to start fucking let's do it
42:37jesus christ we're in season four we're starting now fucking hell i'm trying now welcome to your
42:43second season all right yeah no but no and that's why see if you get a but here's the thing
42:48or a longer
42:49marriage
42:52all right give me my cheesecake whatever what is this called butter
43:01i get that dakota's upset and i totally understand why but chase over here acting
43:05like a tough guy is really pissing me off the fact that he thinks he's that guy he's just not
43:09that
43:09person this is between dakota and i and i don't care about his two cents i feel like i'm put
43:14between
43:14a rock and a hard place this took a turn but it did take a little turn i thought this
43:18was gonna loosen
43:19it up a little bit do you feel like you can truly trust jordan with your secrets
43:29no i get where he's coming from like i understand like i don't think he's doing it to be vile
43:34and
43:34he's just hurt and i think he's just trying to find any way that he can relate or have like
43:40a
43:40relationship with jesse but it's unfortunate because i think it affects our friendship too
43:47i'm sorry genuinely my intention was not my intention was not to hurt you
43:52it's okay so i think we've spoken our piece on that whole thing right yeah
43:57let's move on
44:20hey
44:22okay what's up just about to go to the gym nice i'm trying to decide
44:28what i should do for my reunion here because i got my dress the reunion's next week and i'm nervous
44:34for the reunion because doing this once before it just makes things relevant again you're talking
44:39about old wounds you hash everything out but it brings it to the surface so i'm a little nervous
44:44for me and jordan just because we're revisiting all of that darkness from last season i'm trying
44:49to decide if i should do like a half updo like this because it's like a little more formal
44:53but i love your hair down i mean it would be a more formal updo it wouldn't be a claw
44:56clip
44:56but you know what i mean yeah or do we think i should wear it down
45:01i can't decide i like it both ways hello jesse the reunion is coming up but i procrastinated and
45:12jesse is helping me find my dress in her closet if you're naked please put clothes on do you have
45:17pants on um yes i do actually how are you i've never been here you haven't this is bigger than
45:24my house oh it keeps going yeah it's really never been in here no i've pulled dresses for you i
45:30have
45:30all your dresses ready you're so nice thank you you're welcome no i know you've had a lot i probably
45:35would have showed up in this i'm actually really happy you're here um you know obviously it was
45:41really awkward when we left the bon voyage party when we left jesse and i had a discussion
45:47like about having like the type of relationship where like we can tell each other everything
45:51and have those things that are told to us like we're the end of that like that's it yeah because
45:56it's super important what are you saying why why are you coming to me so i'm like kind of confused
46:01what this is at all and when we were at villa she had told me about at the time it
46:05was this guy that
46:06was flying out to see you yeah and she's like hey like you you have to promise me you're not
46:10going
46:10to tell dakota and it was really hard honestly but i didn't tell him did he sleep with someone
46:16no no i'm not answering anything to do with any of that okay just say i'm not answering but you
46:21because you already said no so is that that's i i cannot confirm or deny anything but you just said
46:26no i can't confirm or deny anything but you just did hey you don't want to know i'm not i'm
46:29not
46:29talking about this we were not going to tell taylor about dakota but i do think she deserves to know
46:34if she's wondering and she's asking me straight to my face and i can't lie to her if you want
46:40to
46:40know i will tell you i do right now the point of this is it okay if i say something
46:47i'm just
46:48gonna call someone yeah i just would prefer you call someone else okay i'm sorry he did
46:56my issue with dakota is that he before he leaves is claiming to be like i love you taylor no
47:03matter
47:03what our family i'm a good guy yada yada yada but then you go out and do that i don't
47:08think i'd
47:08be going out of the country to have a one night stand while i'm saying those things it doesn't
47:13make sense to me your words are just lies i'm sorry i know i know it's surprising like he probably
47:19fucked everyone no i i really don't think he has i really think that was the first it feels like
47:25taylor's just been stuck in this toxic cycle with dakota and no matter what happens she can't get out
47:29of it and as the leader of mom talk it does put mom talk in a weird situation because there
47:34is
47:34constant turmoil and drama in her life and it does affect the group as a whole sorry so sorry
47:40it's okay it hurts it hurts i'm sorry taylor and he's like you never loved me and i guess i
47:49did i
47:49stayed for three years
48:04thanks for setting this up dude yeah is it true that you heard that i was like dming you
48:10in a way that like maybe seemed like i was flirting taylor stop no i just want to know taylor
48:17i just want to know why what hello hello how are you feeling about the reunion you have a group
48:24of
48:25people that are constantly trying to poke holes in your story your stories don't add up because you
48:29keep changing them you can't look at yourself in the mirror i already accountability what do you think
48:34i've done you're not doing it clearly you're not you're deflecting stuff i'd rather fucking something
48:39happen at this point because it's excruciating and it's ruining my reputation what do you mean
48:45she's not here
48:52but you know about me not a lot yet slick to see you've been talking talking talking but i'm walking
48:58you've been shooting your shot and then dropping it i'm faced yes i know i'm a real one well played
49:04you
49:04will never be the day one i'm okay i don't need you to say much stay away i don't need
49:09you to say much
49:12stay away i don't need you to say much
49:16stay away i don't need you to say much
49:18stay away i don't need you to say much
49:27you
49:27you
49:27you
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