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02:09There was all these whispers started coming out.
02:17They would tell me about the bars he would go to, that he would go to intercambios with
02:27the kids, that he would always hang out with younger girls, always American girls, which
02:34restaurants he would take them to, and they just started giving me information.
02:38Random people would give me information.
02:54During this time, it was just on Facebook still, like I was just posting every single
02:59time.
02:59I mean, I would literally go to bed on my email, wake up, email, Facebook, talk to
03:07people, like all day, all day.
03:10I wasn't sleeping.
03:11I was just on my phone nonstop talking to people, trying to like figure out what the fuck was
03:17going on.
03:21I sent my friend a request to Gabrielle Vega.
03:28Gabrielle was talking about Discover Excursions, and I was telling a story that seemed like a
03:33story that I remember when I came to Sevilla.
03:48When we came to Sevilla, each group had a group assigned a culture guide.
03:57My culture guide brought us directly to an office of a travel agency.
04:04This agency was called Discover Excursions.
04:09Welcome.
04:10So here we are, the Discover Sevilla office.
04:12We're open Monday through Friday, 10 a.m. to 8 p.m.
04:15No CS's for us.
04:16Come by anytime you like.
04:18Let's check it out right now.
04:19Let's check it out right now.
04:20Hello.
04:22Hello.
04:25The agency was full of the flags of our universities.
04:30The flags at Penn State and behind a library was Manuel White.
04:42At that moment, I thought that I was about 40 years after my life.
04:45I had dark hair and a super white smile.
04:52He asked me where I studied and I was studying at Penn State.
04:57And he said,
05:00Well, what a joy, because I love Penn State girls.
05:03They are fun and they know how to celebrate.
05:08And I remember that at that moment I felt like,
05:11I was like, well, how strange would you do that?
05:13Because in my mind I was like a professor.
05:18I thought, OK, Discover Excursions and Manuel White
05:22are associated with the university.
05:25And here is where we are going and we want to take another trip.
05:30Well, I would never have imagined what really happened.
05:34Manuel said,
05:35We travel to Lagos and Marruecos.
05:39We do everything for you.
05:41And we also have an activity every night.
05:51He had a party at the office, something very informal.
06:00Manu would host free sangria nights for the study abroad students.
06:09Where the office was open and we would just go and drink as much sangria as we wanted.
06:19It seemed like he was creating friendships with everyone.
06:24I spent, um, I spent many nights there.
06:31Manuel Blanco is a person,
06:33a great acquaintance of the,
06:36the sevillian people,
06:37at least from the student area.
06:39Alfa, Alfa, Cuesta del Rosario,
06:42Calle Betis,
06:43Alameda de Hércules.
06:45He went to all those places with the American students.
07:00I even had in the blog of the travel agency
07:06a plan of leaving Sevilla
07:08that he wouldn't resist the body
07:11because it was every day.
07:14On the weekends,
07:15on Calle Betis.
07:17On the weekends,
07:18on Alfa,
07:20on the weekends,
07:22on football.
07:23On the weekends,
07:24on football.
07:24on the discotheque in Buda.
07:26I felt like I had a inn.
07:29I can come to Buda.
07:31I don't need to pay.
07:32So many girls
07:33always repeat this time
07:38every week
07:39because if you don't have anything to do,
07:42you have this plan.
07:45Whenever there was an event
07:49at a bar or a discotheque
07:51that was geared towards study abroad students,
07:54he was there.
08:01Manu was like a man about town.
08:04He was handsome.
08:05He knew everyone.
08:09And every bar we walked into,
08:12every restaurant we walked into,
08:14he would clap the bartender on the back.
08:18It was very clear that he knew everyone
08:21that we were interacting with.
08:28I don't remember if he used Manuel White
08:30or Manuel Blanco.
08:32I think he put it in English,
08:35but I don't really know why.
08:40I just remember at some point
08:42in the welcome party
08:43meeting him with some of my friends.
08:47He just was like fairly charismatic,
08:50talkative, kind of a playful sort of personality.
09:01Manuel Blanco
09:02Manuel Blanco
09:02se llega a presentar
09:03como el prÃncipe de Sevilla.
09:06Después de una pista
09:08de cómo era este personaje
09:09o de cómo es este personaje.
09:11TenÃa mucho poder
09:12y conexiones,
09:14pero también sentÃa algo
09:16que este hombre no tiene una alma.
09:19Su onda fue un poco rara.
09:27Luego también hacÃa una serie de actividades,
09:29como rifas de viajes.
09:36Manuel estaba en la fiesta de la rifa
09:39y estaba regalando los viajes.
09:44Fueron entregando como papelitos
09:50y yo recibà el mÃo
09:52como sin pensarlo
09:53porque no habÃa pagado
09:55para una rifa, nada asÃ.
09:58Y como unos minutos,
10:01una hora después,
10:02por ahÃ,
10:02llegó alguien,
10:03me miró el número
10:04y dijo, ganaste.
10:05Y yo como, bueno,
10:08que gané.
10:09Y me dijo,
10:12ganaste un viaje gratis
10:13a Lagos, Portugal.
10:16Siempre eran chicas muy monas
10:18las que eran agraciadas.
10:20Nunca le tocó a un chaval.
10:21Y mis papás me dijeron como,
10:24no creo que sea una buena idea.
10:39Para mÃ,
10:40me finding these women
10:41changed my fucking brain chemistry.
10:45I felt a lot of responsibility for them
10:49and I felt a lot of,
10:51don't worry about it,
10:52thank you for telling me,
10:54like,
10:54I'm going to figure this out
10:55and just stay with me.
10:59I just started building an investigation.
11:07I was an art student,
11:09like,
11:09I didn't know anything
11:10and so,
11:10my dad created this excel sheet for me.
11:18Added the dates.
11:22How many were inappropriately touched?
11:25How many did he try to kiss?
11:27How many did he try to corner in a bathroom?
11:30How many did he rape?
11:32How many did he rape?
11:32All the different things
11:33I started to try to get organized.
11:36I was like the administrator,
11:40the public kind of outreach,
11:44organizing everything
11:45and I refused to let anyone help me
11:48because I felt like that would be
11:51a breach of their trust
11:52so then I just had to work on all of it
11:55by myself.
11:57It was very taxing for Gabrielle.
12:00She would say,
12:01at least three or four times a week
12:02for months and months,
12:04she'd be like,
12:04I have to get on a call with somebody
12:06and she would go in the room,
12:07close the door
12:09and come back out
12:10and she would say,
12:11he raped that girl
12:13or he,
12:14you know,
12:14tried to rape her
12:15or he did this to her,
12:17that to her.
12:17It was like, you know,
12:19but always the same scenario.
12:27I don't think I was the first.
12:29I don't know that for sure,
12:31but the system was already in place.
12:50I think that he had been doing this
12:53for a long time before I got there.
13:06I think it was about the last week
13:09that I was in Spain
13:12that he started texting me
13:15and they were very flirtatious.
13:18I mean, pretty direct,
13:22let's get together texts.
13:25As far as I was concerned,
13:27this was a friend.
13:43Manuel texted me,
13:45um,
13:46either on Facebook or WhatsApp
13:47and had basically said, like,
13:50we could meet him
13:51and have some free drinks
13:52or have a night out.
13:54And then,
13:55me and my,
13:57um,
13:58female roommate
13:59and our other friend,
14:00we met Manuel.
14:21It was really dead outside.
14:25We were walking along the river,
14:29kind of on the main Sevilla side
14:31towards the Torre de Oro.
14:39It was pretty dark.
14:45And this man in a motorcycle
14:47cuts in front of us.
14:53And he's in, like,
14:54all black,
14:54black helmet.
14:59He, like,
14:59kept walking to us
15:00with his helmet on.
15:02And he, like,
15:03takes his helmet off
15:04and he's like,
15:06girls, it's Manu.
15:08Like, I'm joking.
15:10And we were like,
15:10oh, my God, Manu, you scared us.
15:14And he was like,
15:14well, why don't you come
15:15and have a drink with me
15:16at the Phoenix?
15:41And so,
15:43we were there
15:43and we, like,
15:45had a few shots
15:45shots of tequila but they were like baby shots so it was fine.
15:57He was flirting with this friend that I was with and I was kind of like trying to be a
16:01good wing woman and I was like he was like let's go back to my apartment we can play
16:05guitar and like hang out for a bit and I was kind of like all right like went insane.
16:14I was nervous to meet him alone so I brought my best friend with me and he
16:25picked us up on his Vespa and he drove us to his apartment.
16:34At some point he invited me and my friends back to his apartment and then yeah that's
16:43where things get really blurry and where I have a lot of trouble remembering.
16:54From what I can remember when you get into Manu's apartment you walk into that
16:59and there might have been like a little like living room to the left.
17:05There was a balcony so like sliding glass doors.
17:13He opened two Coronas and he had to sit on his bed with him.
17:31He and my friend were sitting together and so we he was playing guitar with his friend and
17:39I was just kind of sitting there like he clearly wasn't interested in me which was fine.
17:44I know for the majority it was only the three of us girls and Manuel at his apartment.
17:55I remember my roommate at the time she was like getting sick.
18:05I think at a certain point Manuel got a taxi for my sick roommate to go home but I don't
18:16remember too much.
18:25And he was like let's play a game.
18:28He was getting very touchy.
18:30I remember his hand on my thigh and he was encouraging.
18:35I can't remember well whether it was directly or not to have a threesome.
18:39I didn't feel comfortable like I wasn't I didn't really feel safe.
18:48I just remember feeling like really heavy.
18:51Like I like couldn't really like move with like much like confidence.
18:59And like kind of just like fell into his bed and like fell asleep.
19:12I just remember like little pieces like I remember like a door slamming and I remember
19:19my other friend and Manuel kissing and I think I remember Manuel kissing me.
19:26But I don't remember like the sequence of events really.
19:34It's just like little flashes and little moments.
19:41And I wake up to Manu saying your friends left.
19:46Can you give me a hand job?
19:48We finished our beers and I was like I think we have to go.
19:56And he was like no no no just stay for one more drink.
20:01I gave him a hand job with like my arm behind my back.
20:04Like not even looking at him.
20:06I just kind of felt like let's get through this.
20:11Like I just need to like have this happen and then this will be over.
20:17And I remember him trying to block the door.
20:21And then he said are you going to leave me with blue balls.
20:26By the grace of God I don't know how my phone ended up in bed with us or like how
20:31I heard it.
20:34But I heard my phone and I picked it up.
20:37He like moved enough for us to get out of the apartment.
20:42And I just remember like I felt like I flew down the stairs.
20:49My friend was like where are you?
20:52And I like couldn't form words and gave the phone to Manu and he was like oh she's fine.
20:59And thankfully my friend was like no like I'm coming to get her like text me your address.
21:06I remember afterwards walking home trying to find something familiar and just being like that was weird.
21:13But I guess it's a Spanish man thing.
21:19I just like literally left the house.
21:24And my friend brings me back to my apartment.
21:28I knew I was like safe and I was like I can go to bed.
21:32And like slept the rest of the day.
21:50When I woke up no one else was there.
21:54I was completely alone with Manuel.
21:56And I was completely naked in the bed next to Manuel.
22:01And Manuel was also naked in bed next to me.
22:05I just remember like spiraling because I didn't have any memory of taking off my clothes or of him taking
22:16them off.
22:17And I just remember being like frozen and like like what the hell happened basically.
22:27My whole body felt like heavy and I couldn't move.
22:33And then Manuel like rolling over and assaulting me.
22:39And I remember that like really clearly and just like laying there and not being able to really move or
22:50get him off.
22:51And then it was just him doing whatever he wanted.
23:08I remember just like not knowing what to do.
23:12And so I like got dressed really quickly.
23:18And then I just went downstairs and went back to the Residencia.
23:29I never talked about it with anyone except the two girls that were implicated.
23:39And also yeah I just felt I think so yeah nervous and ashamed and helpless at that point in time.
24:13Yeah there was a there was definitely a pattern that was established.
24:19Young women who are very vulnerable who are in a place where they don't speak the language.
24:24Who are in a place where they need someone to trust.
24:27They need someone to kind of guide them.
24:30I started to realize that it wasn't just rape.
24:33Like it was anything this fucker could get from these girls he did.
24:39It was expanding and expanding.
24:41The story just kept getting bigger.
24:47And I remember I got a direct message on Facebook.
24:52And then the second Carrie came into the picture.
24:56And told me about Lauren.
25:00It was like one of those moments where I had no idea what I was involved in.
25:07I mean at the time I didn't know what happened.
25:10All I heard was he killed my daughter.
25:17It's terrifying.
25:36I was in my mom's apartment.
25:44When I would get a message from Carrie Bajorek.
25:48Sarah it's Lauren Bajorek's mother.
25:50There's been a tragedy with Lauren.
25:52If you have a chance.
25:54Please call me.
25:59I can't remember exactly what she told me.
26:02But it was whatever the basics.
26:04Like she had fallen from a man's apartment balcony.
26:11That she had fallen and that she had died.
26:17I was the person that she knew.
26:20Because Lauren and I coordinated our trip to Spain for the summer.
26:25And we went on the trip to Lagos, Portugal.
26:30With Discover excursions.
26:33I remember when I arrived on the trip that I had won.
26:40To Portugal.
26:42To Lagos.
26:44And Lauren Bajorek was there.
26:49And that was one of the last days of her life.
26:53Lauren was my best friend.
26:55So.
26:56Sorry.
26:58Um.
27:00That like she.
27:03Um.
27:04That Lauren's mom Carrie was so important to her.
27:07And so I had to.
27:09Sorry.
27:10Help out.
27:10And.
27:12I wasn't there.
27:14But I was still in a position to connect her with a lawyer.
27:18I talked to my host family immediately after as well.
27:21Asking them if they like knew someone or recommended someone.
27:24That can bring some light onto this.
27:27What was it that she knew about.
27:30Lauren Bayorek was the mother of Lauren Bayorek.
27:34She contacted me.
27:35As an attorney for a man.
27:36In a terrible mental.
27:41In an absolute disorientation and absolute desperation.
27:44To this to miles of kilometers.
27:48Su hija era única, tenÃa 21 años y le habÃa mandado a España con toda la ilusión que unos padres
27:56mandamos a un hijo al extranjero a aprender, en este caso, un idioma.
28:00A las muy pocas semanas la llaman y le dicen que ha muerto porque ha saltado de un décimo piso.
28:09Y sin darle más explicaciones, le dan la opción de repatriar el cadáver y que ahà acaba la historia.
28:17Entonces nos pidió que intentásemos determinar cuáles habÃan sido las circunstancias que rodearon la muerte de su hija.
28:24Más allá de las conclusiones de la autopsia que eran obvias, que era muerte por politraumatismo.
28:32Gabriel Vega denuncia que ha sido violada por un empresario guÃa turÃstico sevillano.
28:37Resulta que en 2015, dos años de aquellos hechos, otra joven americana fallece en casa del mismo guÃa empresario denunciado.
28:46Hombre, no es casualidad.
28:51La policÃa hizo un análisis de la existencia o no de huellas en el muro que habÃa en la terraza.
29:02Era muy, muy pequeño, de una altura solo de 80 centÃmetros, lo que lo convierte en un muro peligrosÃsimo en
29:07un décimo piso,
29:08porque 80 centÃmetros te acercas y te llega a la rodilla, con lo cual, como te inclines un poco, te
29:12vas para abajo.
29:13Y el muro tenÃa, lógicamente, una protección metálica y de madera a lo largo de todo el ático,
29:19excepto en un extremo en donde la protección habÃa sido quitada,
29:26que coincidÃa con el extremo del ático en donde habÃa un jacuzzi sin agua.
29:31Y se descartaron, mejor dicho, no se encontraron huellas, lo que llevó a la policÃa a descartar
29:36que Loren Bayorek se hubiera sentado en el muro porque no habÃa huellas ni de pisadas ni de manos.
29:44Es decir, su caÃda fue desde el interior de la terraza afuera, directamente.
29:51Eso es compatible con un empujón, también es compatible con un accidente,
29:55puesto que el muro medÃa solo 80 centÃmetros. Es compatible con las dos hipótesis.
30:00En la transcripción que se hace en el informe policial figura que Manuel dice que ya se ha tirado.
30:09Cuando tú tienes a alguien que se ha precipitado desde un décimo piso,
30:12puede ser un accidente, puede ser un homicidio, pero puede ser un suicidio también.
30:18Entonces, la policÃa hizo una autopsia psicológica basándose en los whatsapps
30:23que esa misma niña habÃa mandado minutos antes y horas antes a su madre y a su pareja en Estados
30:29Unidos.
30:30.
30:43Ben Warren dated back in college.
30:48She was just different.
30:50You know, she was just always had a bubbly energy.
30:53She was very warming to everyone around her.
31:02July 19th was her birthday I remember um you know I mean it was tough in ways at least for
31:11me you know not being able to be there for her to celebrate but she was definitely excited and I
31:18was
31:18excited for her it was definitely going to be a night of celebration she's turning 21 which is
31:24a big deal in the United States yeah it's just uh something that she was very much looking forward
31:29to to celebrating with with friends and with dancing so Lauren went with her friends Sarah
31:38Ellie and Lauren we didn't really have like a plan we were just we went out to dinner in the
31:50centro you
31:56know they were at the restaurant and
32:03um Emanuela showed up
32:10I remember him further in the restaurant up by the bar
32:16and then we sat at a table and
32:20we saw him or he saw us and he came over to our table
32:26and then he uh asked if we all wanted to go to Belindo
32:30he was like no come with me like I'm going to show you guys I'm going to take you guys
32:34to this
32:35discotheca and whatever and so we just went with him because we were like why not
32:45we went with him to Belindo and we were went into like the VIP you know section
32:56and he had a bunch of drinks and there was like hookah
33:02that was kind of the majority of the night
33:08we were texting the whole time during the night and you know and she just kept me updated
33:14um with all the details while she was there she said I don't feel comfortable around him
33:21um she definitely did not like him she wrote me a text saying uh that she was very drunk and
33:29I was
33:30like aha great like sounds good
33:40I think they had a couple of drinks
33:44and then I think it was Ellie and then her friends um left to go home
33:55Ellie was sick and it was three in the morning
34:00Ellie was like I'm I don't feel good it was not a normal feeling I feel like that night like
34:08I don't
34:09looking back like I remember afterwards I'm like did I wonder if there was something in the drinks or what
34:15because he was giving us all the drinks and they were all up there in the VIP section
34:23and we talked to Lauren and Sarah and they didn't want to leave yet
34:26and I was like well I'll go with Ellie I'll walk Ellie home and make sure she gets home and
34:31then I
34:31walked home but I do remember um saying goodbye to Lauren and she was like very intoxicated
34:42and Sarah was also intoxicated
34:47obviously looking back I shouldn't have left her
34:59but I just you know made a mistake
35:11for some reason they ended up going to his house
35:16I'm not sure what he said exactly to get them there
35:18but it's um a bit surprising that she would have done that
35:22and that Sarah C would have done that too
35:25um given that neither of them was was interested in in Manu
35:31it it didn't fit
35:34I was receiving things that didn't make sense
35:36in terms of like
35:38drivers I thought that was weird
35:40I was like I was wondering if she herself got drugged or something
35:45at one point she said that
35:49she missed me and then like I answered back and then I didn't get any response
35:54um from there
36:01la policÃa descartó que hubiera sido un suicidio
36:04por lo tanto solo habÃa dos opciones
36:06o fue un accidente o fue un homicidio
36:09lo que sucedió en ese ático solamente lo saben dos personas vivas
36:13que son Manuel Blancovela y Sarah
36:20habÃa prestado declaración estando borracha
36:23ante la policÃa in situ
36:25ni siquiera en comisarÃa
36:27y allà mismo el policÃa le tomó declaración
36:30en un párrafo
36:31que vete a saber
36:33qué coincidencia o parecido tiene o no con la realidad
36:37la policÃa en un párrafo
36:38she said they they got to his house
36:41and she said they were standing around for a little while
36:52went out on the balcony
36:57they had all been on the balcony but Lauren stayed inside like a jacuzzi that was empty on the balcony
37:08Sarah and Manu had gone inside to get water
37:13and then they heard a noise
37:25and so then they went out there and she was on the ground
37:28off the balcony
37:35I never have like pushed more on Sarah to give me more details of that night
37:42because it was so traumatic for her and awful
37:45and I know you probably like
37:47she probably doesn't even remember half of it either
37:49because she was so wasted
37:50it was such a blur
37:51and then the trauma on top of all of that
37:53looking back it just feels like a really weird story
37:57it feels like Sarah
38:02I want to say this without saying that Sarah
38:05Sarah did not have anything to do with this
38:07like Sarah is very much a victim
38:14but I think that she was also trying to protect herself
38:18in telling a story that was kind of vague
38:22I believe the story
38:23I just think there were a lot more details that maybe weren't told
38:28some of it's kind of a blur
38:32I just I think it was like three days I didn't sleep for a while
38:36I just like everything was keeping me up
38:42it was tough
38:46you know so much my life was taking away from me at once
38:58when the accident was caused
38:59even though it seemed like it was a accidental accident
39:02they didn't let them pass the occasion to make the alcohol test
39:06both to Manuel Banco and to Sarah
39:12this is produced two hours more or less after the accident
39:16Sarah was at 0,48
39:18if you remember
39:19it was a more or less
39:21of alcohol
39:22elevated
39:23Lauren Bayorek
39:24did a result of alcohol in blood
39:27of 2,99 grams per litre of blood
39:30that alcohol was close to the etilical coma
39:34in the words of the forense
39:36with 2,9 grams of alcohol
39:39one is either dead
39:41or unconscious
39:44and Manuel was 0,0
39:490,0
39:500,0
39:500,0
39:51it's to say
39:52he took them to the two of the party
39:53the two drinking one of them
39:55until the point of getting to the etilical coma
39:58and he was 0,0
39:59it's to say
39:59he was able to control the situation at all
40:01time
40:03they didn't find any alcohol in Manu's
40:07which was weird because he was at the clubs
40:10with them
40:11I think Manuel is a depredator
40:14is a depredator
40:16is a depredator
40:16is a cazador
40:17I think that that night
40:19he came out to cazar
40:20and he had the attitude
40:22that the depredators have
40:23is to say
40:23a plan, a strategy
40:25and the patience
40:26that the depredators have
40:28he took hours
40:30to end where he wanted to end
40:33and in the situation
40:34that he wanted to end
40:35that he wanted to end
40:35at 5 o'clock in the morning
40:37in his attic
40:38with 2 girls
40:40absolutely
40:41in fin
40:43desproteged
40:43as a consequence
40:44of the drink
40:45at least
40:46of alcohol
40:49and the 0,0
40:51those are the facts
40:52our country
41:08so we can begin to
41:10we came to have a download
41:13that has the news
41:14that has been
41:16that has been
41:16terrible news
41:16so we have
41:17some participants
41:18in the
41:19in the CIE program.
41:25I realized how very easily I could have been.
41:34When I looked at the photos of that time,
41:37I was very vulnerable.
41:39We were all very vulnerable.
41:41And we didn't realize that.
41:45But Manuel saw it.
41:55When the new group of students arrived,
41:58they were like,
41:59we heard that a girl died.
42:01What happened?
42:02And I told them,
42:04don't go on a trip with Manuel White.
42:07Don't trust that guy.
42:09I don't know what happened there,
42:11but there was something strange.
42:49And at a few hours, they were on an airplane
42:50and they took it to the United States.
42:52So, that was a lot of attention.
43:03We explained that the penal route was closed
43:06and there was no opportunity to open it.
43:10But there was a possibility for the civil route.
43:14and that was what we took, that was what we did and that was the trial we went to Sevilla.
43:23A few days before the trial, the mother of Lauren, Caraiva Llorek,
43:28told me that she was dying and told me that I was going to wait for the trial and we
43:34had
43:34a sentence. And it was like that. The judge tested the demand, gave us the reason,
43:40established that there was a responsibility for negligence by Manuel, and fixed a
43:48indemnization that was established in 70.000 euros. I communicated the sentence and
43:55a few days he died. He felt relieved in the sense of knowing part of what had happened,
44:02but what he wanted, the sentence he could not give.
44:13The empathy you feel for that mother is just horrendous. And that mother was like so alone in it,
44:21you know, and that's what I just kept thinking of is like how alone she was and she was desperate.
44:26Um, she was desperate to, to get this story out and to get justice for Lauren. And I said to
44:33Gabrielle,
44:33just today, I said, can you imagine being her mother and seeing you on the Megyn Kelly show,
44:39and the realization like this is a serious predator?
44:51This motherfucker was walking down the street, getting his fucking tapas and copas and doing
44:57whatever the fuck he wanted to do. And you guys did nothing.
45:03He's still outside. He's on the street this whole time. I think I would be really upset.
45:09I had to face the fact that this person is never gonna take accountability for anything he's ever done.
45:21If that was my community, I'd be like, what the fuck?
45:29Yeah, that makes me sick that he's on the streets, that he's doing intercambios with these young girls.
45:36Look at these little kids that are going out into the world and their parents are sending them away.
45:41They think they're safe.
45:44I hate to think it, but I'm pretty sure that he hasn't stopped what he's been doing all these years.
45:53But he's laughing and smiling and going out with friends and pretending to be a person who isn't dangerous and
46:00doing exactly the opposite,
46:02telling girls that you'll be safe with me. And it just sickens me that he's still free.
46:10Nothing is happening to Manuel.
46:14And so there was almost like, what can I do? Like, what can, what can we do to like, make
46:20this stop?
46:21And so that's my role was to just figure out how to do it.
46:25So it doesn't surprise me in one iota that she's determined to do this for the other girls.
46:32When she was in elementary school, anybody that was being bothered, Gabrielle was in the middle.
46:36And I remember saying to her, Gabrielle, you're a rebel without a cause.
46:40You're like James Dean and you need to just stop it. And this is Gabrielle. I mean, it was who
46:46she is.
46:51I didn't want to do this. I don't want to go to trial.
46:56I don't want to deal with this fucking bullshit. But if there are all these other women and this is
47:02a
47:02fucking every semester there are new girls, I felt like I needed to do something.
47:10Suddenly it went from, I don't want anything to do. I'm not prosecuting. I don't want to talk about it.
47:16It went from that to, we have to do something.
47:20So this is just like the beginning.
47:23It was the beginning for the both of us, for him and me.
47:40Yeah.
47:51What are you talking about? If they don't know each other, how do they coincide all the declarations?
47:57I don't have anything to do with those facts. I don't have any relationship with that person during the trip.
48:01I don't have anything.
48:19I don't have anything.
48:25I don't have anything.
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