00:26In terms of recognising talent and recognising
00:29diversity, where do you think we are now compared to when you started talking about it?
00:33Well remember I was 16, so there were very few people that looked like me on the television
00:38as Rudolph Walker, Derek Griffiths, Floella Benjamin and then eventually by the mid-late
00:4470s, Trevor McDonald. So that's like five or six people and I knew them all. So these
00:50days now we have a much bigger plethora of artists working in front of the camera but
00:55still behind the scenes we need more gatekeepers and we need more producers and directors and
01:00writers in the mix too. It's about everybody not just about a small group of people and
01:05I think we're getting there but it's a slow glacial pace still. It's almost like we're
01:12going backwards sometimes. What can be done to get more people behind the scenes working?
01:16We changed the gatekeepers, we changed the way decisions are made about who gets to make
01:21watch. We changed how the room looks. You know, it's things like that. It does count.
01:26You know, if the room is inclusive and feels equal, you're not getting the same answers to
01:33the same questions all the time. People are saying different things based on their gender
01:36or their culture or their class or something. They're offering something original and unique
01:40rather than the same old stuff that those blokes Moxbridge keep coming out with. It's a different
01:46vibe if the room is diverse. So that's why we're still fighting for it years and years and
01:51years and years later.
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