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00:00He calls for Jack Smith to be prosecuted as the former special counsel defends his investigations
00:05before Congress and tells them, I will not be intimidated. Then the vice president blames
00:11state and local officials for chaos in Minneapolis, while new polling shows voters disapprove of ISIS
00:17tactics. Plus, Trump sues J.P. Morgan and Jamie Dimon personally for closing his bank accounts
00:23after the January 6th attack, as the 11th hour gets underway on this Thursday night.
00:35Good evening. Once again, I am Stephanie Ruhl, and we are now 284 days away from the midterms.
00:41Today, for the first time, former DOJ special counsel Jack Smith testified publicly about his
00:48investigation into Donald Trump in the aftermath of the 2020 election. Watch this.
00:55I stand by my decisions as special counsel, including the decision to bring charges against
01:01President Trump. Our investigation developed proof beyond a reasonable doubt that President Trump
01:08engaged in criminal activity. If asked whether to prosecute a former president based on the same
01:15facts today, I would do so regardless of whether that president was a Democrat or a Republican.
01:22No one, no one should be above the law in this country, and the law required that he be held
01:29to
01:29account. That statement is consistent with what we found in our investigation, in that our investigation
01:38revealed that Donald Trump was not looking for honest answers about whether there was fraud in the
01:45election. He was looking for ways to stay in power. And when people told him things that conflicted with him
01:53staying in power, he rejected them. Do you believe that President Trump's Department of Justice will find
02:00some way to indict you? I believe that they will do everything in their power to do that because
02:06they've been ordered to by the president. And as if on cue, President Trump immediately posted
02:15that based on Smith's testimony today, he should be prosecuted for at a minimum, quote,
02:21large scale perjury. And if right now you're screaming at your TV for what? I screamed the same thing, too.
02:27And the answer, Republicans accused Smith of interfering in the Democratic process by
02:33trying to muzzle a presidential candidate. But here's the thing. They did not produce any new
02:38evidence that supports that argument. Congressman Darrell Issa accused Smith of spying for seeking
02:44a court order for phone records of nine Republican senators. Watch this.
02:50Why is it that no one should be informed, including the judges? As you went in to spy,
02:57on these people. Did you mention that you were spying on seeking records so you could find out
03:03about when conversations occurred between the U.S. Speaker of the House and the president? Did you
03:09inform the judge or did you hold that back? My office didn't spy on anyone. Wait a second.
03:16The question I asked you, Mr. Smith, was pretty straightforward.
03:21And if right now you're saying, what again? Well, then let me just remind you,
03:25those records provided a log of calls and text messages. They did not disclose any of the contents
03:33of any communications. Meanwhile, Democrats asked Jack Smith about the Republicans
03:38who told Trump he lost the election. Watch this.
03:44Who were some of the Republican witnesses who told you that President Trump, who told President Trump
03:50that his claims of election fraud were false? Can you, can you share that with us?
03:58There were a range of witnesses. They ranged from people on his campaign team who had wanted him
04:08to win, were employed to help him win the election. They included state officials,
04:14state Republican officials who wanted him to win, voted for him, campaigned for him,
04:20asked him to provide, asked him and his co-conspirators to provide evidence to support
04:26their claims. And invariably, they never did. While this five-hour hearing was going on,
04:33Vice President Vance was in Minnesota defending the behavior and tactics of ICE agents there.
04:38Watch this. This is part of a broad effort to make us safe. And the chaos that people are seeing,
04:44and I understand there is frustration of the chaos. I'd say that we're doing everything that we can to
04:50lower the temperature. And we would like federal and local, excuse me, state and local officials
04:54to meet us halfway. And if that visit to Minnesota today felt like an attempt at damage control,
05:01this might explain why. A new poll from the New York Times has brutal numbers for the president
05:06overall. Only 32 percent of American voters say the country is better off than we were a year ago.
05:13That same poll found 63 percent of voters disapprove of how ICE is handling its job.
05:18That immediately sparked social media threats from Trump himself. He said he would add that poll
05:24to the lawsuit he currently has against the Times, claiming that so-called fake polls are out of
05:30control and that they should be virtually a criminal offense. All right, with that,
05:36let's get smarter. With the help of our lead-off panel this evening, Tim Haifey joins us,
05:41former lead investigator for the January 6th committee. He's also the founding partner
05:45at Haifey, Smith, Harbeck and Wyndham. That name Smith is referring to Jack Smith in that newly
05:51formed law firm. Jeff Mason, White House correspondent for Reuters. Tim Miller, host of
05:55the Bulwark podcast and former communications director for Republican Jeb Bush and Carol Lennig,
06:00MSNOW senior investigative correspondent. She wrote the book Injustice,
06:04How Politics and Fear Vanquished America's Justice Department. Tim, you know you're getting the first
06:09question here. Your law firm with Jack Smith just opened this past month. I'm sure everyone on your
06:17team was glued to the television watching. What is your reaction to the hearing?
06:22Yeah, I'm a proud partner of Jack Smith, Stephanie, and I want your viewers to understand I'm an unabashed
06:28partisan of his. I have immense respect and affection for him, and he acquitted himself and the law firm very
06:36well today. Both style and substance, it's important when you're evaluating someone's credibility. I've
06:41tried a lot of criminal cases. You evaluate what they say, and you evaluate how they say it. And on
06:49both
06:49counts, Jack was unimpeachably credible, thorough, careful, hard to imagine stylistically, Stephanie, that
07:01he could be called deranged. Quite the contrary. He was calm. He was dispassionate in the face of
07:08repeated falsehoods. He never once lost his temper, got short with any of the questioners. Quite the
07:14contrary. So stylistically, I think he made a great impression. And then substantively, lawyers are only
07:19as good as the facts that they have. And he showed his cards, a full house of evidence that he
07:26had
07:27developed, he and his team, establishing the guilt beyond a reasonable doubt of the criminal charges
07:35that he brought. So I thought across the board, both the demeanor and the substance of what he said,
07:41as expected, he did an incredibly good job. Are you concerned at all with your new law firm that
07:49despite your talents, Jack Smith's talents, potential clients are going to be afraid to do business with
07:55you, given the target he has on his back from the president? Some will, no question. But some
08:03will have the opposite reaction, right? I think some clients want people that are not intimidated,
08:10right? One of the most telling moments of the hearing today was when Jack was asked,
08:15are you afraid of retribution? And he said, I believe that the president certainly has already said
08:21that his Department of Justice should come after me. But I am not intimidated. And I think that's
08:27attractive to clients who want lawyers who are unafraid to fight, whether the fight's against
08:32the administration or whether the fight is unrelated. So yeah, Stephanie, some clients won't want to be
08:38associated with our firm because of the enmity that comes at Jack from the White House. But others,
08:45I think, will be attracted, frankly, to the backbone that he demonstrated.
08:49All right, Carol, you covered these cases very closely. What stuck out to you today?
08:55A few things. One is the first thing Jack Smith said that he regretted, really the only thing,
09:01was not showing enough appreciation for his team. He doesn't have any regrets at all about the decisions
09:10he made, the choice he made to indict both on classified documents and on the effort to interfere in the
09:18federal election and block the safe transfer, the peaceful transfer of power. I agree very much with Tim
09:27that on the substance and the non-deranged style, he gets high points. But the problem for him,
09:36probably in the Washington washing machine, is that there was an alternate reality playing basically
09:44over his head. I don't mean over his head mentally, but over his screen. It was constantly people
09:51making things up. For example, people making up that Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony was something Jack
09:59Smith was going to present at trial when he didn't say that's what he was going to do. When people
10:04just
10:04claimed out of nowhere, as Chairman Jordan did, that Jack Smith was hellbent on charging Donald Trump and
10:13taking him out of the running for president. There were so many sort of soundbites, if you would,
10:19that Jack Smith didn't get to really respond to fully because of the way these kinds of hearings run.
10:25There is one other thing, Steph, that I thought was really striking, and that was when Jack Smith
10:32repeated over and over again that there was so much overwhelming evidence. He didn't have any doubt,
10:39and nobody, nobody, nobody in the Biden administration told him what to do.
10:45There was so much overwhelming evidence. This was an important hearing today, but with so much going on
10:52in the world, a lot of folks aren't paying attention. Do you think today, Tim Miller,
10:57will break through on one hand? And B, does it amaze you that Republicans would want to call this hearing?
11:05Yeah. Well, I don't know that it will break through for a couple of reasons. First, as you mentioned,
11:11there's just a lot of other insanity happening today. I mean, the current sitting president of
11:15the United States launched like a legion of doom that he called the Board of Peace, you know, with
11:21like a bunch of dictators throughout the world. And obviously, there's what has happened in Minnesota
11:26that we led with. So look, I mean, there's a lot else to talk about. The other factor here is,
11:33I don't know, maybe others feel like me, maybe they don't. But Jack Smith, who acquitted himself
11:38admirably, I agree with the other co-panelists. The problem with all of this was, you didn't need
11:44really the most talented prosecutor in the world to bring evidence against Donald Trump about his
11:49insurrection on January 6th, because we all watched it on TV. Like, we all saw it with our own eyes.
11:54But you needed the guts to do it. You know, he did. He needed the guts to do it. But
11:59I guess my
11:59point is, this isn't like a complicated Law & Order episode where you're waiting for the reveal at
12:03the end. Like, we saw the criminal did the crime in front of all in front of our faces. Like,
12:07we all
12:08watched it. And so when you look back on this, there's good reason for Jack Smith not have
12:13regrets, but maybe Merrick Garland should. And, you know, the whole thing is the striking thing to me
12:17about this hearing is you have these Republicans, as you mentioned, that called him up and he ran circles
12:22around them. But they are, like, trying to make the case that he was some pawn of Joe Biden and
12:28Merrick Garland and that the Justice Department and the Biden administration was not acting
12:32appropriately and targeting Trump. And, like, when the opposite was true. Like, the problem was that
12:38Merrick Garland was too slowly. And simultaneously to them making the accusations that the Garland DOJ
12:44was acting inappropriately, the sitting president of the United States that they support was threatening the
12:50witness and saying that his DOJ should act inappropriately and target their political
12:56foes. So, like, the whole thing, you know, had an air of preposterousness for that reason.
13:01And, Jeff, what exactly, besides the big headline, does Donald Trump want Jack Smith to be prosecuted
13:08for? Because these days, judges aren't siding with Trump like he wants.
13:14Yeah, on some things. I mean, on other things that I think they are. But to your question,
13:21Steph, I'm not sure it even matters. I think the point is simply that President Trump wants to
13:27discredit Jack Smith and wants to lift him up as a face or the face of the opposition to him
13:37and make him a bad guy. And it's consistent with other headlines that you've read at the top of
13:44your show with J.P. Morgan and others. The president has been on a retribution tour since he got back
13:50into office. And Jack Smith is at the top of that list of people and officials against whom he would
13:57like to take retribution.
13:59Counselor Hafe, were Republicans just trying to catch Jack Smith breaking the rules today by
14:04talking about the classified documents case, which he wasn't allowed to talk about?
14:13Steph, I don't know what their motivation was. It seemed to me as if they wanted to make speeches,
14:19introduce false statements, as Carol said. And Jack was just there as a pawn for them to carry on
14:25their false narrative that somehow this was a politically motivated prosecution and the Capitol
14:30police were derelict in duty and responsible for January 6th. I don't know that there was
14:36a goal beyond that, right? That this just the rhetoric. And look, there's still a rule of law
14:42in this country, and it takes actual facts and evidence for a grand jury and ultimately a trial
14:50jury to have a real criminal consequence. The president can't stop. And I'm certainly not
14:56aware of any evidence that would give rise to Jack having any criminal exposure or exposure for perjury
15:03or anything else.
15:05Mr. Miller, a new topic. We heard J.D. Vance say the federal government is doing everything they can
15:12to lower the temperature. I'm talking about the ice raids, the situation in Minnesota.
15:17At the very same time, the world is looking at photos and headlines of a five-year-old little boy
15:25who is detained by ice. How is that lowering the temperature? Because let's be clear,
15:31if the president was strictly tough on the border, closing the borders, he'd be getting a ton of
15:36support in this country. What ICE is doing is not that. Yeah. I know it's just a truly galling
15:43performance from the vice president today, Stephanie, that I did suffer through. And he's
15:48listing all—you know, there's good questions from the reporters there about all of these reports and
15:54some accusations, some credible reports of ICE's misbehavior in Minneapolis. In response to all of
16:00them, he just lied. And he just over and over again, he would lie in the most kind of condescending
16:06and smug manner. And, you know, in that case, you mentioned about the five-year-old boy.
16:11J.D. Vance said, well, his father is a legal immigrant. What were we supposed to do? Leave
16:16him out in the cold? It makes sense that the ICE agents would have nabbed him. The truth of that
16:21story is that they used the kid as bait to try to get other immigrants to come out that they
16:28wanted
16:28to detain. And the other truth is that, yes, his father was an undocumented immigrant, but there was
16:34another adult, a family member in the home that begged the ICE agents to save—to keep the kid
16:39there. Instead, they sent the kid to Texas. You know, in another lie J.D. Vance told, he was asked
16:44about the racial profiling. And he said that, oh, he'd heard one report of a local police officer
16:49saying that when they were plainclothes, they were racially profiled, but it hasn't been confirmed.
16:54That's not true. There was a press conference with multiple police chiefs from the Twin Cities area
17:00saying that they had multiple plainclothes police officers who had been harassed and targeted,
17:05and they were all people of color. They're all Hispanic. They're all people that look like they
17:09might be immigrants. So, you know, J.D. Vance is up there saying that, oh, we got to trust that
17:14these
17:14ICE agents and thugs are doing the right thing, and you have to respect law enforcement. Meanwhile,
17:20he's accusing the local law enforcement of Minnesota of lying. And it's just—there was no effort today at all
17:26to try to deal with the facts on the ground and actually de-escalate. It was complete gaslighting
17:31beginning to end. Well, he's clearly seeing the polls. The president is. Jeff, is sending Vance
17:37to Minnesota basically admitting that their image on this is not good? Well, it's certainly admitting
17:45that they need to do some work on that image. Yeah. And it was striking to me that Vice President
17:51Vance's rhetoric was so different from what it was when he came into the press room
17:55a week or so ago talking about this, where he showed absolutely no indication that he thought
18:04that ICE had acted inappropriately. And today he was talking about meeting halfway, or, you know,
18:13I think that was his way of suggesting that they should find some middle ground. That's a dramatic
18:19shift for him from not very long ago. And he said that he did that with the mandate from the
18:24president of the United States. If that is true, then it has to be a suggestion that they're worried
18:32about the polls. Because politically, why would they not have done that a week ago, two weeks ago,
18:39or honestly, from the very beginning of their term? This is a shift. I'm curious to see if it'll stay
18:45that
18:46way. But it certainly, to me, I think, suggests that they are worried going into the midterms about
18:52the fact that ICE's actions are so unpopular. Well, this week, the AP reported that a whistleblower
18:58revealed an ICE memo. And in that memo, it tells ICE agents that they are allowed to raid homes
19:04without a judge's warrant. That would seem to be a huge violation of the Fourth Amendment. And today,
19:10Vance defended that memo. I want to just share a tiny bit of it.
19:17Do you believe that you can forcibly enter with an administrative warrant? Or would that be a
19:21violation of the Fourth Amendment? Well, our understanding is that you can
19:25enforce the immigration laws of the country under an administrative order if you have an
19:31administrative warrant. That's what we think. That's what he thinks. What do you think, Carol?
19:37Well, it's just making me grin a little bit in a gallows humor kind of way, because I was talking
19:43to a legal source who said, who works inside the administration, who essentially said, you know,
19:49what we're dealing with here is a group of people who are going to break every rule and worry about
19:55it later. And in this case, it's just so clear that you can't break into a home without a warrant.
20:01I mean, Justice Kagan did write an opinion recently for the majority that was about entering a home
20:09when someone's life is in danger and you're worried about saving and rescuing that person
20:15and not needing a warrant in that situation. But to say the phrase, Steph, this is what we think,
20:21doesn't really comport with this is what the law is of the country. But then again, let's be clear,
20:28and I want to just give a shout out to reporters everywhere, including at MS Now and all of our
20:34colleagues and competitors. Reporting, video filming, boots on the ground have revealed all the ways in
20:42which the law is being completely ignored in Minnesota. For example, it is de rigueur to
20:48investigate an officer who shoots an unarmed civilian and kills them. And we decided as a country,
20:56the Department of Justice decided we're not doing that. We have a commander in the form of Gregory
21:01Bovino leading the Operation Surge in Minnesota, who is on record saying to officers in other cities
21:08he has led, arrest every single person you can if they come close to touching you, if they touch you,
21:14just arrest them. He actually is on video recently in Minnesota throwing a gas canister into a group of
21:21people who are literally just standing around chanting that I should get out.
21:27None of these things comport with our protocols or our laws. And J.D. Vance, the president,
21:35the vice president, has articulated it beautifully. This is what we think we can do.
21:39All right. Tim Haffey, I'm going to apologize because it's your first visit here.
21:44Tim and Jeff, I'm not sorry. Carol Lennig, you just won that segment.
21:48Coming up later in the show, the aggressive border style tactics meant for cartels.
21:53They're being carried out on American streets. You do not want to miss our exclusive reporting
21:58and Tony Hilton series City Under Siege. But first, right after the break, the president goes
22:03head to head with the country's biggest bank, claiming J.P. Morgan dropped him as a customer
22:08for political reasons after the January 6th attack. We're going to break it down. Money Power
22:12Politics is next. The 11th hour just getting underway on a big news Thursday.
22:23At a time for Money Power Politics, President Trump is officially suing J.P. Morgan and its CEO,
22:29Jamie Dimon, for allegedly debanking or closing his accounts after the January 6th attack.
22:35Trump and his business entities related to him are seeking at least $5 billion in civil damages,
22:42claiming the debanking was political. In a statement, J.P. Morgan denied that claim and said
22:47the suit has, quote, no merit. It comes just days after Dimon publicly criticized Trump's policies
22:53on both immigration and the idea of capping credit card rates. Here now to discuss Brennan,
22:58really contributing editor for The Financial Times and Dustin Wolfers, professor of economics and
23:02public policy at the University of Michigan. Justin, let's start on this. I worked in banking for a long
23:08time. And one of the core tenets, one of the most important regulations when you work in banking
23:13is something known as KYC, know your client. And if a bank cannot explicitly detail and explain who
23:22the client is, where they're getting their money from, what the money is being used for,
23:27they are on the hook in a big, bad, nasty way. So what in the world is the president doing?
23:32Because
23:32there was a lot of unclear information right around January 6th. Nobody even knew where the money came
23:38from that funded it. I mean, what the president's doing is making headlines. I don't, I've not talked
23:44to anyone tonight who takes this remotely seriously. And here's the tell. He's suing for $5 billion.
23:51Now, just imagine the damages from not being able to use your bank account for a couple of weeks and
23:56having to try a different competitor elsewhere instead. The damages, if you're someone worth a few
24:00billion dollars, couldn't possibly be everything that you're currently worth. Um, what is this?
24:06It's, it's, it's a distraction getting you and I to talk about it. And it's probably also a shot
24:10across the bow at, uh, at banking executives generally and Jamie Dimon in particular.
24:16But Brendan, this isn't about what JP Morgan did post January 6th. Jamie Dimon is one of the few,
24:24not, not just to Jamie Dimon earlier this week, say we have to be tough on the border,
24:28which he has said before, and he was unhappy with how Biden handled the border. But he said,
24:32what ice is doing is un-American. The idea of capping credit card rates, that's only going to
24:38hurt the American people because they're not going to be able to extend credit, uh, to people with
24:43lower credit ratings. And the other thing that Jamie Dimon did a few weeks ago, he was one of the
24:47few
24:47CEOs that said, no, thank you. We're not going to be cutting you a check for 20 million large for
24:52the
24:52East wing of the white house. Because he said four years from now, the government could turn around and
24:57sue them for corrupt practices with the white house. Isn't that what this is all about?
25:03Yeah, there's a lot going on in this lawsuit. Primarily Steph, you know, it's not, he's not
25:08suing for damages. He's suing for leverage. This is what he does. This is what lawsuits are for
25:12Donald Trump. They're leverage. Um, there's a couple of things going on in there. Um, one is yes,
25:18obviously, uh, if he sues, he distracts Jamie Dimon, it's leverage to discourage Jamie Dimon from
25:24saying things that Donald Trump doesn't like. It's really important for the audience to understand
25:28just who Jamie Dimon is. He's arguably the most important financier since the original John
25:33Pierpont Morgan. Um, he steered the bank through the global financial crisis is sort of a legendary
25:38risk manager, um, and is trusted on wall street as a voice. It's, it's hard to come up with anybody
25:43who compares to him in terms of reputation, the banking industry. Um, so if you can get him on side,
25:50um, then you can get the rest of the industry on side. There's a lot of evidence that the entire
25:54financial industry is cowed by Donald Trump. We have reporting from Davos that they don't want to
25:58say things out loud that make him uncomfortable. But in addition to that, when you look into the
26:03details of this lawsuit, I read it this afternoon. Um, there's, he's also trying to launder a very old
26:09Republican accusation about debanking. So this is an unsubstantiated idea that banks are going after
26:16Republicans in particular to end their bank accounts. Um, you pointed out, it's very important
26:22in banking to know your customer. There are a lot of reasons why you would want to, uh, end your
26:27relationship with somebody, uh, who poses a reputational risk. The incident they're talking
26:32about, the debanking that happened when actual accounts were closed that belonged to the Trump
26:36family was on February 19th, 2021. This was right after January 6th. It's a very obvious
26:44reputational consequence to what Donald Trump did. Okay. Can we just talk about this,
26:50this point that you made about self-censorship? Jamie Dimon is one of the few CEOs, right? Who
26:57have been outspoken in terms of he's been complimentary, but also critical of the president
27:02and Bloomberg has described. We have entered this era of self-censorship under Trump. Here's
27:08the thing that gets my goat, Justin. So many of these CEOs I spoke to during the last election,
27:15and they said they were being stifled by wokeness in the age of DEI. They could not express themselves.
27:21Okay. These same CEOs now are scurrying out of the Trump speech in Davos saying,
27:28I got to get to the toilet because they're unwilling to give an honest answer when they're watching our
27:34president of the United States stand on a stage, spread lies and insult other countries. How
27:39extraordinary is it that these people who pride themselves on standing at the podium, being
27:44outspoken leaders, the cat got their tongue? I mean, this really comes all the way back to
27:50what's your theory of capitalism. And I know that sounds highfalutin there, but really the way we've
27:55always run things in the past is the government sets the rules, gets out of the way, and then it's
28:01up to the players to get out on the field and compete. And what this bloke's decided, this bloke
28:05being Trump, is that what he's going to do is he's going to be out there bullying individuals so that
28:10they're going to do things his way. As a result, it is in their individual best interests. Each of
28:16them, we've seen university presidents, we've seen lawyers, we've seen CEOs really just walking away
28:23from, I think, the social responsibility each of these folks have. It's individual cowardice,
28:28it's individually profitable. If you want people to criticize the president, look what you've had
28:32to do, Steph. You've had to come to a tenured academic, a bloke who can't be fired, or a
28:37journalist, Brendan, who's fantastic. But the point about Brendan is he gets paid to be obnoxious.
28:43Neither of us are responsible for making payroll for a thousand people in a big, tall building that
28:49would be unreal. And that's why it's tricky. It's absolutely real. Yeah. That is why it's
28:54tricky. I mean, they have to walk a fine line. But at some point, you got to stand up for
28:59the
28:59truth. All right, gentlemen, thank you for joining me this evening. When we return, an ordinary morning
29:04drive to school turned into a chase by unmarked cars and masked men. My dear friend and colleague,
29:11Antonia Hilton, is here to share her exclusive reporting, showing exactly what people are facing
29:17when they run into federal immigration officials. Stick around. You don't want to miss this.
29:27I want you to put down your drink, definitely put down your smartphone if you're scrolling,
29:30and please pay attention to this. Our next story comes from Houston, Texas, where a routine
29:35school drop-off, anyone could have done it, turned into a violent arrest as federal immigration agents,
29:41masked and armed, targeted a young U.S. citizen and his undocumented dad.
29:45Our own Antonia Hilton has been reporting on this. Watch.
29:50Within seconds, a fear the 16-year-old U.S. citizen had long suppressed comes to the surface.
29:56His undocumented father might be taken by federal agents.
30:25The
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30:30had a
30:49we didn't know what was happening they were still chasing us and that's when they started
30:53hitting her car trying to flip us as arnaldo continues to film agents appear to ram into
31:01the bazan's car at least four times i mean are you kidding me with that antonia hilton joins us now
31:16she's a peabody and peabody and emmy award-winning journalist you know her as an ms now correspondent
31:21co-host of the weekend and you were lucky enough to see her anchoring this show last week are you
31:25kidding me walk us through what happened that the the person in the car that sounded like they were
31:30having a panic attack that was this teenage boy yeah that's a 10th grader his name is arnaldo he's
31:34a u.s citizen lived in texas all of his life and his father who's driving there arnulfo has been
31:40in the
31:40united states since the 90s undocumented and his dad was taking him to school that morning they
31:45stopped at mcdonald's to get some food before the 10th grader had to go to class and they say that
31:51as they're pulling out of that mcdonald's suddenly an unmarked vehicle lights go up pulls them over
31:56they think it's just a local police officer maybe you know they didn't put their blinker on that kind
32:00of thing but then they say masked men jump out with their guns already drawn and begin to try to
32:08smash
32:08the windows of their car and open their doors there are no commands they say they never hear
32:13for example words like you're under arrest they never identify them and say are you arnulfo
32:19bazan carillo we're looking for you so they hear no clear commands and that they panic so they drive
32:26away they flee as you see there in that video and as they're driving we see in a video we
32:32obtained
32:32exclusively from the son who takes that video sort of from his perspective in the car that agents ram
32:37them into the father's vehicle four times quite violently at points they're afraid that the car is
32:44actually going to flip over on its side and after this scene here they end up being violently detained
32:50on the ground inside a restaurant sort of depot lot uh and the agents put arnaldo a u.s citizen
32:58and a
32:58minor in a choke hold so tight stuff that he ends up having to go to a children's trauma unit
33:04the 10th grade boy 10th grader he gets morphine uh and had damage to his neck and spine that lasted
33:10for weeks for what this father has been here since the 1990s he has no felonies on record he's taking
33:17his boy to school like what what you i'm assuming you've spoken to homeland security about this
33:23how did they rationalize this well homeland security's story of this uh arrest is very
33:29interesting so what they initially told me before they knew that i had this exclusive video is that
33:34they said that actually arnofo rammed his car into the agents vehicles well that's not what happened
33:40that's not what happened and i told them that i had this video and then they didn't answer any more
33:44questions about that uh and then there's another piece of what happens to the father and son particularly
33:50the son on the ground that involves him losing his cell phone you can see in imagery that we obtained
33:57not just from the son's video but actually from bystanders at well as well do we have this video
34:01we do federal agents take the boy's cell phone and then take a listen to what happens next
34:08that weekend the bazans tracked the phone on apple's location service and found it traveled from houston
34:14to a place two and a half miles down the street from where agents left their father arnofo
34:20in the montgomery processing center somehow the iphone went from the possession of federal
34:25immigration authorities to this tech for cash pawn shop kiosk conroe police retrieved the phone for
34:31arnaldo and took down this report obtained by ms now noting that whoever sold arnaldo's phone for cash
34:37committed a second degree felony the theft remains under investigation
34:43so not only is arnaldo put in a headlock and his clothing is torn and he's violently restrained on
34:50the ground to the point that he sent to the hospital but he realizes after that hospitalization
34:54that his cell phone he still hasn't received it back from the federal agents who had detained him for
34:59several hours and when they find it it's more than an hour away from this family's home from where this
35:05whole encounter took place but it happens to be two and a half miles straight shot down the road
35:11from the detention center where they've taken his father i asked dhs about this repeatedly and they
35:17would not respond to my questions on this stuff i mean not even to tell me oh we are investigating
35:21this
35:22or just ghost you we can't comment on this they did not respond to my questions about where this phone
35:27is so we do not at this time know what happened between sort of the last known agent who we
35:32do have
35:32on camera holding his cell phone and its appearance in this tech for cash pawn shop atm so where are
35:39these men now the father and the son the father is back in mexico he alleges that while he was
35:45he
35:45hasn't lived in mexico since the 1990s that's right uh so he actually is alone and he really doesn't know
35:50anybody back in the community uh where he is right now uh he talks to his kids every day on
35:55facetime
35:56his four children are basically raising themselves now in their home uh arnaldo had to leave
36:02school for several weeks uh because he's been unable to sleep he has regular panic attacks
36:08his sister one of his sisters had to cancel her wedding uh and another sister is uh delaying
36:15enrolling in college she was supposed to go to college this coming fall and she's canceled that
36:19because everyone is pulling together to cover family expenses uh they're they're these kids are on
36:25their own now steph this is such important reporting you know so many of us are living our
36:30lives and our heads are down and we're in our houses and this might not be happening in our city
36:34or our
36:35community and if you weren't sharing this reporting that is happening on u.s soil we would not know i'm
36:41so grateful you can catch you can watch antonio's full report on youtube right now look at your screen
36:47scan this qr code in the bottom right corner this is important please watch it or you can catch it
36:52saturday starting at 7 p.m eastern right here on ms now when we come back tensions may have cooled
36:59ish after trump's concepts of a deal on greenland but is the damage with our allies already done a
37:05member of the danish parliament joins us next
37:12the president seems to be backing off greenland for now today he took what he considers a victory lap
37:18on the quote framework of a future deal with nato and this is what he said when asked whether the
37:23u.s would ultimately take over the island
37:27i don't know if i can say that but it could be i mean it's possible anything's possible but in
37:32the
37:32meantime we're getting everything we wanted i'm not going to have to pay anything we're going to
37:36have total access to greenland we're going to have all military access that we want we're going
37:40to be able to put what we need on greenland because we want it it is unclear exactly what
37:47total access means the wall street journal notes details were hazy and european officials seem to be
37:52willing to talk about it only in very vague terms saying that it would bolster security in the arctic
37:59sasha fox a joins us now she is a member of the danish parliament thank you so much
38:04for being here with me can you tell us anything about this supposed framework that will be discussed
38:11did you actually have a seat did you guys have a seat at the table in discussing it
38:18no not at all denmark is not represented in davos at at the politician level we only have business
38:25people there so it's not been part of what either denmark nor greenland have been part of
38:29and as for the framework i mean we don't know what is in it we don't know how they have
38:36thought
38:36about it and what should come of it so we we are in the same position as you just described
38:43from your seat and we also must say you can't negotiate on another people's behalf when you
38:49were a secretary general of nato and you can't just say we're gonna have everything we want without
38:56paying for it it's it's very far from our reality so is it fair to say the president of the
39:03united
39:03states calling this framework of a deal in your mind completely bogus
39:10i'm not sure i would put those words i'm the politician here so um
39:16from our perspective we already had some kind of frame last week there was a meeting in um in
39:22washington between jd vans and marco rubio with the two foreign ministers from greenland and denmark
39:28and they agreed on a high level working group where we should discuss how can we find a way
39:33so for us it's it's like that's what we already agreed on and when your president says that he can
39:43have full access to greenland in terms of military well that's already an agreement since 1951
39:48so you can have the basis that would be need needing for you to protect your country the golden
39:55dome has can be part of that discussion you can be part of the mining project i mean so it's
40:02it's
40:02hard for us to see what has not already been there should be on the table now then do you
40:07think this
40:08issue is settled are you confident the president is not going to threaten a military invasion
40:14first of all we have to really think about this is about the greenlandic people it's them we're
40:19talking about i'm lucky enough to live in denmark um because what we see is that the greenlandic people
40:26they are they have they are panicking in some degree they're afraid the businesses will
40:31close that the kids can't sleep at night and i'm ordinary people being pushed and marked by the most
40:39powerful man in the world because he wants it and and it's not his to get so no they are
40:45not confident
40:46but we are all appreciative of the cooling down of the temperature we are very happy that the military
40:53force is off the table and so with the the tariffs but we have been living with this for over
41:00a year by now
41:01and i don't think anyone thinks we can lean back but for now let's see what happens then do you
41:08view
41:08the united states as a reliable partner at this point well um so here's the deal we we actually
41:19consider americans our friends the u.s is a very long-standing ally of denmark for 250 25 years we've
41:28been allies and many of us have come to the u.s and appreciated your your hospitality your nature and
41:34so
41:35forth but the trust between our countries is frail at the moment and there needs to be a rebuilding of
41:42trust after this so we still consider ourselves allies we're both in the nato but there's there's
41:50some some some rebuilding i mean like if you've had a very big fight in in your in your relationship
41:55or
41:55you have been mocked or whatever by a good friend you need to to find a new way forward and
42:02it doesn't
42:03happen from one day to the next for sure thank you so much for joining me this evening i appreciate
42:08it sasha we'll be right back
42:14that does it for us this evening i am signing off but from all of us here at ms now
42:19thanks for staying
42:20up late with me it is a privilege to be with you every night i will see you at the
42:23end of tomorrow
42:24you
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