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00:00:00You never want someone to hold you accountable.

00:00:02You can't be with someone to hold you accountable.

00:00:04You will never be with someone who can hold you accountable.

00:00:07Because you just do this shit.

00:00:08And you will never.

00:00:09Of course you don't want to be with someone like that.

00:00:11Then why'd you take me back after?

00:00:13Crew, because I had feelings for you.

00:00:14Because I was in the worst place ever.

00:00:16But if I have a horrible character, why would you take me back?

00:00:18Do you not know?

00:00:19Because that's how abuse works.

00:00:20Because you're a love bomb and you're there for me.

00:00:22I'm fucking confused.

00:00:23I'm crying too.

00:00:24I'm like, I don't want to be alone.

00:00:26Your manipulation is abusive.

00:00:57Welcome to Real Talk.

00:00:58I'm your host, Zachary Reality.

00:01:00And today we're reuniting with the sexy singles of Real Shorts' new reality show, Secrets and Soulmates.

00:01:07Ever since they left the house, relationships have been tested, friendships have shifted, and messy breakups went down.

00:01:13And today, we're going to unpack it all.

00:01:15We have Brynn.

00:01:16Hello, Brynn.

00:01:17How are you?

00:01:18Hello, I'm doing great.

00:01:19How are you feeling today?

00:01:20I'm here in sunny California, so I can't complain.

00:01:23And you look beautiful.

00:01:23I love your dress.

00:01:25We're also here with Tony.

00:01:26Hey, guys.

00:01:27How are you feeling?

00:01:28I'm good.

00:01:29I'm good.

00:01:29I did watch the show.

00:01:30What did you like about it?

00:01:32I liked hearing what people were saying behind my back.

00:01:35I always hope people would be here and call them out.

00:01:37What was the most surprising thing you heard behind your back?

00:01:40The most surprising thing?

00:01:41I mean, nothing really surprised me too much.

00:01:45But Electro was like, I don't like Tony.

00:01:47I'm like, bitch.

00:01:49I thought we were cool.

00:01:50Right.

00:01:51But whatever.

00:01:51Okay.

00:01:52True, what is up?

00:01:53How are you?

00:01:54We're here.

00:01:55You excited to be here?

00:01:56We are here, yeah.

00:01:57Great.

00:01:58And did you watch the show?

00:01:59I did.

00:02:00I did watch for like a week.

00:02:01And I was like, I should probably watch it.

00:02:03Yeah.

00:02:03Just to see what was set when I wasn't there.

00:02:06Anything surprising come to mind?

00:02:07Yeah.

00:02:08There was some stuff.

00:02:09Yeah.

00:02:09We'll get into it today.

00:02:11But we're happy you're here.

00:02:12So thank you for showing up.

00:02:14Now, Julie, you look amazing.

00:02:16I know you just got back from Bali a couple of days ago.

00:02:19Yeah.

00:02:19I flew in.

00:02:20Tell us a little bit.

00:02:21Something to do.

00:02:22Unfinished business here.

00:02:23Fair enough.

00:02:24I know that you've had a few hard months recently.

00:02:26So hopefully today provides you some clarity.

00:02:29But we're going to get all into the show of Secrets and Soulmates.

00:02:32And there's no better place to start than with Bryn, the winner of the show.

00:02:37Congratulations.

00:02:39You and Chase actually were each other's secret soulmates.

00:02:43I called that shit from Dave.

00:02:43I was going to point that out.

00:02:44It wasn't in the final cut, but I called it.

00:02:46It was a crack.

00:02:47How did you feel when you got to the end of the experience and you realized that you were

00:02:50with the correct match?

00:02:51I think that I, you know, going through all of like the challenges and whatnot, like I

00:02:56had a feeling that that was the case, you know, but I think it was like one of those

00:03:00moments where it was just kind of like, you know, it was nice to see it realized.

00:03:03But I also like, to be honest, I was surprised to think that like all of the other ones were

00:03:07wrong because I didn't like, I wouldn't have guessed that.

00:03:11Like, to be honest, like I thought there was going to be multiple of us that like had picked

00:03:13the right people.

00:03:14So I think that was probably most surprising to me.

00:03:16But yeah, I mean, it's been like half a year now.

00:03:19It's crazy.

00:03:20Yeah.

00:03:21I'm really, it's been a long time.

00:03:23Obviously, we saw the connection between you and Chase on the show, but it didn't work

00:03:27out.

00:03:28So tell us what happened after.

00:03:30Take us through.

00:03:31Hmm.

00:03:32And I mean, of course, that's difficult with distance.

00:03:33It's like you live in different states.

00:03:34You're in different areas.

00:03:35I was living in New York.

00:03:37He was in Georgia.

00:03:37But also it's like, you know, I think we even recognize.

00:03:40And how did the breakup happen?

00:03:42It was mutual?

00:03:43Yeah.

00:03:43No, I mean, like, I think breakup is a strong word, right?

00:03:46Because it's like, yeah, I think like, you know, when you're on the show, it's like,

00:03:50yes, you're doing things together.

00:03:51But it's still like, you know, there was never like, we're boyfriend, girlfriend.

00:03:55Like, you know what I mean?

00:03:56It's like.

00:03:57Yeah.

00:03:57Well, another thing I want to talk about with you is your relationship with some of the

00:04:00other girls in the house.

00:04:02Oh, well, you know, that looks like it was a little rough for you.

00:04:06You got along with the girls, but it ultimately ended up with a push in the pool.

00:04:11You should be thanking me because you're only here because I wanted you here.

00:04:15Hey, you are only here because of me.

00:04:17Hey, y'all settle down.

00:04:18Yeah, because it did go how I wanted it to go.

00:04:20So maybe you should be fucking nice and align with us because you were against us this whole

00:04:24time.

00:04:25So get the fuck out of my face.

00:04:27Oh, my fucking God.

00:04:28I can't even do that.

00:04:29Back up, Bryn.

00:04:30Fuck you.

00:04:31What the fuck?

00:04:32What are you doing?

00:04:33Jules.

00:04:34What did you just do?

00:04:36Yeah.

00:04:36That's why we got separation.

00:04:38Now, there are some people who have said that you were not a girl's girl on the show.

00:04:42Yeah, I was boring.

00:04:44I was not a girl's girl.

00:04:45And I want to hear from you.

00:04:46I want to hear from you about it.

00:04:47But I do want to ask Julie at first, you seem to bond with some of the other girls in

00:04:51the

00:04:51house.

00:04:51There was a little bit more of a hesitation or a push and pull with Bryn.

00:04:55Why do you think that was?

00:04:56Push and pull was great.

00:04:57First of all, I adore Bryn.

00:04:59But when we were first in the house, it was like Electra, Savannah.

00:05:02We were very like girls, girls.

00:05:04And I always have a raised red flag anytime I see a girl talking to men because I'm like,

00:05:11ew.

00:05:12For what reason?

00:05:13For what good reason would that go down?

00:05:15And so I think a couple of us were like, okay, what's your intentions?

00:05:19Are you male-centered?

00:05:21Like, are you going to have their back over our backs?

00:05:24I am fiercely loyal in that regard to my friends.

00:05:28And I had some pent-up anger.

00:05:30And I also projected that a little bit onto Bryn.

00:05:33I felt that.

00:05:34Yeah.

00:05:34I could have pushed maybe like someone else into the pool.

00:05:37But you could have.

00:05:38Yeah.

00:05:38I, you know, I think with.

00:05:41Are you going to get your get back?

00:05:43My get back.

00:05:44I'm not a revenge girl.

00:05:45I'm a.

00:05:45My revenge comes in different ways.

00:05:47And it comes with bettering myself and not dealing with other people.

00:05:50But besides the point, I very much appreciate what Julie says.

00:05:55And I think, too, it's like the whole idea of like being a girl's girl, not a girl's girl,

00:06:00I think was difficult for me because to be honest, I don't know that I am a girl's girl

00:06:04and like everybody's typical version of the term where it's like, I'm going to respect

00:06:09you as much as you respect me.

00:06:10And if I feel like that's not being met, I'm not going to be a girl's girl for the sake

00:06:15of just like supporting people who I feel like I don't, I'm not agreeing with, you know?

00:06:18And I think at the beginning, of course, it's like, I'm always going to take a seat back

00:06:23and just like listen and try to figure out what's going on.

00:06:25And I was definitely more reserved.

00:06:27And I think that could have come off as, you know, me being standoffish or maybe not being

00:06:32as friendly with the girls or wanting to be a part of, you know, the group.

00:06:35But I think, you know, it's like they've all done some version of reality TV and it's like,

00:06:38I hate it.

00:06:39And I think like even just being around cameras, it's like, I'm just not used to that.

00:06:43And it's like, I think I wanted to be very careful with, you know, what I was saying

00:06:46and how I was coming across.

00:06:47And I think, of course, like that energy might have transferred in a way that could have

00:06:51felt wrong for the girls.

00:06:52But I think a lot of the moments that maybe I was there for Julie was maybe behind the scenes

00:06:56and not in front of the cameras.

00:06:57And I think like the remote-

00:06:58Yeah, we also went out in LA and we had a great time.

00:07:00Brynn was not as boring as I said she was on the show.

00:07:03Yeah, there was a lot of boring costumes in there.

00:07:05I was like, hmm.

00:07:07But no.

00:07:08Yeah, but I-

00:07:09For sure.

00:07:10And she's fun.

00:07:10Yeah.

00:07:11I love that.

00:07:11It's just one of those things.

00:07:13Yeah.

00:07:13We had a good time.

00:07:14And I think it's just like, it comes out in different ways.

00:07:17Well, I mean, listen, we're going to talk about the wrap party because after the show,

00:07:22these sexy singles who weren't single at the time all came back up to LA to hang out.

00:07:27And this is kind of where you come into the picture, my guy, Tony.

00:07:30So before we get into all of that, tell us, why did you go on this show to begin with?

00:07:35Why did I go on the show?

00:07:37Because it sounded fun and I wanted to do it.

00:07:39By the way, I just want to clear something up real quick because I was casted on the show

00:07:42for like three months before we actually filmed it.

00:07:45And then like Tracy, the casting director-

00:07:47But you were what?

00:07:48I was casted on the show for like months.

00:07:49I was on hold for the show for like three months before we started filming it.

00:07:52Thirsty dog.

00:07:53You couldn't wait?

00:07:54Bro, like at the time, like the girl that gets brought up in the show, her and I were

00:08:00super cash.

00:08:01Like we were like just hooking up.

00:08:02It was cool.

00:08:03Like nothing serious.

00:08:05And then like just like three weeks before we started filming, like we just started getting

00:08:08a little bit more serious.

00:08:09Like it just happened.

00:08:10But I told her, yeah, but I told her, I was like, look, I was like, I'm literally about

00:08:14to go on a dating show.

00:08:15I was like, I don't know what's going to happen.

00:08:16And I was like, I'm going to, you know, I'm like, I'm going to behave myself, you know?

00:08:20Right.

00:08:20But like, you know-

00:08:21Were you guys official before you left?

00:08:22No.

00:08:23Well, like we would-

00:08:25Not well, but-

00:08:26We would have been, but because the show was coming up, we like kind of have like an

00:08:31agreement.

00:08:32Like, let's just like hold off on it.

00:08:33Right.

00:08:34That was like kind of the, the idea.

00:08:36Right.

00:08:37Well, I mean, do you think that impacted your experience?

00:08:39Because you were voted out.

00:08:41You were the only guy voted out.

00:08:42And I can't help but think part of that is because you did have this girl back home that

00:08:46everybody started to hear whispers about.

00:08:48Two things.

00:08:49One, I wasn't really connecting with any, Brandon and I had the best connection from my standpoint.

00:08:54Of course, obviously, she was the case.

00:08:55Don't look at me.

00:08:57But like, but like with the other girls, like I didn't, honestly, didn't really have a connection

00:09:01with them anyway.

00:09:01So I don't, I may have still been voted out, like regardless, you know?

00:09:05But it did play like mentally.

00:09:08I was like conflicted.

00:09:09Like the whole time I was like, you know.

00:09:12Should I be here?

00:09:12Should I not be here?

00:09:13Yeah.

00:09:14Well, it's also like, you know, how, like, do I flirt?

00:09:17Like how much do I flirt?

00:09:19Whatever, blah, blah.

00:09:19I'm not even really even a good flirt anyway.

00:09:21Wait, so are you still with the girl now?

00:09:22Yeah.

00:09:23Yeah.

00:09:23We're still together.

00:09:23Did she watch the show?

00:09:25She did.

00:09:26And her sister filmed her reaction watching it.

00:09:29Okay.

00:09:29And I think they're going to post the reaction, but she was like.

00:09:32You didn't really like make, did you make out with anyone?

00:09:34I didn't make out.

00:09:35It was a dancing skit.

00:09:36It's like, we're dry humping.

00:09:38I was just trying to watch you.

00:09:40A little bit.

00:09:41Yeah, a little bit.

00:09:42And out of nowhere, big old plop on my lap.

00:09:45Kind of hurt a little bit.

00:09:46I was like, damn, who the hell?

00:09:47Oh, shit.

00:09:48Oh.

00:09:49I'm like, ooh, I kind of like this.

00:09:51I approve.

00:09:53Just sitting back enjoying the ride.

00:09:54Well, let me, I feel like a little dry hump.

00:09:56Yeah.

00:09:56A very stiff dry hump.

00:09:58And then I did.

00:10:00Yep.

00:10:00And then I, uh.

00:10:01The memories.

00:10:02I did electro resuscitate in me.

00:10:04Oh, no.

00:10:09I, like, rub Bryn's legs and boobs with oil.

00:10:12Well, okay, well, Julie, you were kind of the ringleader in getting everyone to vote

00:10:15out Tony.

00:10:16Why?

00:10:17Yeah.

00:10:17I'm voting for this person because he just went on a smear campaign on my name and on

00:10:23my man's name because he's trying to save his ass.

00:10:26He has been coupled up with every single girl here and has still not found anybody.

00:10:31So I am going to give this one to Tony.

00:10:40Well, first of all, I just think I was, like, the ringleader in general.

00:10:43So the show was just going to go how I wanted it to go.

00:10:45So Savannah was my best friend and her man was in there.

00:10:48So when people looked to me for what we were going to do, which I did feel a little bad

00:10:53because I did secure Tony's vote, voting how I wanted to vote.

00:10:57But I was like, that's just not how, like, I want the show to go.

00:11:01So it was just going to go down how I want to go down.

00:11:03But it was a vote for Savannah because Savannah just had, like, her man was in there and,

00:11:06like, someone has to go.

00:11:08So who else is it?

00:11:09I want to chip in.

00:11:10I want to chip in the other one that we were going to, like, have.

00:11:12But I, like, needed someone in the house to torture her.

00:11:14So I didn't go yet.

00:11:16I want to chip in on this because Julie told me she was not going to vote me out.

00:11:19She lied to my face.

00:11:20But I said that so that you would vote for Sam.

00:11:22I know.

00:11:23You could have done some research.

00:11:24Bro, first of all, I'm kind of fucking stupid for this because if, like, just looking back,

00:11:29it's like, obviously she's going to vote me out because Savannah's her best friend.

00:11:32But me being happy to vote.

00:11:34I will say this, though.

00:11:34If you didn't have the girl thing, I think it would have been a lot tougher of a choice.

00:11:39But because that was there, for me, it was.

00:11:40I don't think so because everyone is going to vote how I wanted them to vote.

00:11:43And this just was going to happen.

00:11:45Who did you vote for?

00:11:47Oh, besides Bryn.

00:11:48Bryn.

00:11:49That's my fisher in the pool.

00:11:50Bryn, who did you vote for?

00:11:50She was listening to what I wanted.

00:11:52Yeah.

00:11:52I got fish in the pool for not being a girl's girl just because I wasn't listening to Julie.

00:11:56Which, fair enough.

00:11:56Yeah, but I'm an independent person and you've got to respect me for that.

00:11:59But I do want to kind of circle back to the rat party because a little birdie told me

00:12:03that the two of you might have kissed.

00:12:06A little birdie or a golden birdie?

00:12:08Potentially multiple birdies.

00:12:10Is this true?

00:12:11Why don't all these birdies kiss at the rat party?

00:12:13Yeah, we kissed.

00:12:14We made them, yeah.

00:12:15Yeah, we made them.

00:12:17Weren't you guys?

00:12:18It wasn't a kiss.

00:12:18It was like a kiss.

00:12:20Right.

00:12:20Okay.

00:12:25I guess the question is, you know, you ended things with Jace.

00:12:32You left the show single.

00:12:33Well, now you have a girlfriend.

00:12:34So, I guess there is no question.

00:12:37We were on a break.

00:12:38Does she know about that kiss?

00:12:40Okay, Ross.

00:12:41Does your girlfriend know that you kissed Bryn or does she know now?

00:12:44She got to know now.

00:12:45All right.

00:12:46Well, to be fair, I was also very tipsy.

00:12:48And it was like one of those things where we and crew were hanging out.

00:12:51Santa and Ty were hanging out.

00:12:52We're like, sure.

00:12:53It was basically a truth or dare.

00:12:54Yeah.

00:12:55It was no truth or dare.

00:12:57Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:57Crew was like.

00:12:58Crew definitely was like.

00:12:59We can agree on that.

00:13:00It was no truth or dare.

00:13:01I don't think we're doing.

00:13:02That's one thing you got to come through.

00:13:03I don't think we believe crew.

00:13:05Right.

00:13:05What?

00:13:06It was that.

00:13:08Well, I mean.

00:13:09It was just like.

00:13:09It was like a silly thing.

00:13:11It was a silly thing.

00:13:13A silly thing.

00:13:13I feel like.

00:13:14Remember, Ron.

00:13:15I've always felt like there's chemistry between you two.

00:13:17I think there could be chemistry between you two people.

00:13:19Yeah.

00:13:19You should try it again.

00:13:20See if it's still there.

00:13:21Let's try it.

00:13:23I mean, hey.

00:13:24I could just get out of the way if you don't want to get into it.

00:13:27But hey.

00:13:28I'm spoken for it.

00:13:29Sorry to your beautiful girlfriend.

00:13:30What's her name?

00:13:31Jalen.

00:13:32Hi, Jalen.

00:13:33We love you.

00:13:35Let's take a little bit more of an interesting turn and get into one of the most dramatic

00:13:41relationships of the season.

00:13:43Crew.

00:13:43How are you?

00:13:44And Julie.

00:13:45Now, Crew, you came into this experience looking for love, a single father.

00:13:50What initially drew you to Julie?

00:13:55That's a good question.

00:13:56The connection was undeniable from the fans who watched the show.

00:13:59There was an instant pull between you guys.

00:14:01It definitely was.

00:14:02I mean, we were just kind of eyeing each other.

00:14:04It was just happening.

00:14:06She's sexy and very pretty, obviously.

00:14:08Look at her.

00:14:09She looks great.

00:14:11And you can't really explain it.

00:14:13We just were there.

00:14:13We had it.

00:14:14It's that chemistry spark that a lot of relationships don't even have.

00:14:17Even like happily married couples don't have.

00:14:20Yeah.

00:14:21Julie, it seems like you gave your fair shot to all the guys in the house.

00:14:23You wanted to get to know everybody.

00:14:25You know, you got a little frisky and some challenges, which is all fair game.

00:14:28But what was it about Crew that you really wanted to zone in on for the experience?

00:14:34I mean, like, yeah, there was like an undeniable chemistry.

00:14:40And I think I said that on the show.

00:14:42I was like, I don't know if I'm attracted to this because it's familiar and maybe a pattern I need

00:14:47to stop picking or like what this is.

00:14:50But I was willing to explore it.

00:14:52But definitely the I mean, the connection was real.

00:14:54Well, yeah.

00:14:55Yeah.

00:14:56And that's one of the biggest criticisms from the fans at home watching is they don't know if this is

00:15:00real or not.

00:15:00But the relationships in the house were real.

00:15:03You guys did have feelings for each other, short lived or not.

00:15:05Feelings were involved.

00:15:07So put that rest to bed.

00:15:09Crew, I noticed that there was starting to be some tension in the house.

00:15:12Right.

00:15:12Especially when Samantha came in.

00:15:14But regardless of that, you guys started to kind of bicker.

00:15:16And it almost felt like you wanted out.

00:15:19And then, you know, you still stayed with her even after the show.

00:15:23So how were you feeling?

00:15:24What were those reservations for you?

00:15:26I'm getting the giggles.

00:15:27This is bad.

00:15:30What were the reservations?

00:15:31Is that a question?

00:15:32Yeah.

00:15:34I mean, everybody could see it.

00:15:36You okay, Tony?

00:15:39No, mine was I hate drama.

00:15:43I'll be honest.

00:15:43It was fun for a little bit.

00:15:45People were like, do that kind of drama?

00:15:46Oh, well, it's just kind of spicy.

00:15:48It's kind of sexy.

00:15:48Like, whatever.

00:15:49I get the toxic love cycles people could fall into.

00:15:53And after a point, I was like, why are we fighting?

00:15:56Like, why are we fighting?

00:15:57This is crazy.

00:15:58If you like me and I like you, like, let's just, you know, chill out.

00:16:03And then she was just like, yo, I want to make out with everybody first.

00:16:08You were very candid about, you know, sometimes you go for toxic men.

00:16:11And maybe the toxic men should get checked if you're interested in them.

00:16:14Tell me a little bit more about why you think that's been a pattern for you in your past relationships.

00:16:20I mean, a child for trauma and repeating cycles is, it's like what you're like trying to solve the pattern.

00:16:27And you like look for it in the same person when you need to stop looking for it in the

00:16:31same person.

00:16:32But I think where, what I noticed on the show back is I know you're like, you're fighting with me.

00:16:37You're fighting with me.

00:16:37But I'm also like calling out your hypocrisy, like your incongruencies.

00:16:41And then you're like, but you're fighting with me.

00:16:42I'm like, yeah, of course you'd want me to just not say anything and just be passive.

00:16:46So then you can do whatever you want.

00:16:47And I'm like, I think that's the part that's even right now you're doing it.

00:16:50You're like, why are we fighting?

00:16:51Like, because I'm responding to the things that you're doing.

00:16:55And I know I did things too.

00:16:56Like we've talked about that and then it's that and then it's like, OK, so now we're back and forth

00:17:00in a cycle instead of being like, OK, you're right, crew.

00:17:04You're right.

00:17:04What made this experience different?

00:17:05It's completely different.

00:17:07Like all of your your insecurities are brought up so much more.

00:17:10Your childhood trauma is brought up so much more.

00:17:12Like when you're dating someone and then someone's like picking you and then not picking you.

00:17:16I like I understand when people watch dating shows and they're like, how are they so invested?

00:17:19But you get invested because you're spending so much time together.

00:17:22You're talking so much like in the episodes you see one conversation,

00:17:26like three sentences.

00:17:27But like crew and I were up for hours that night just like talking, talking, talking.

00:17:30You get so close with each other, but you're also having to make really quick decisions and you don't get

00:17:35the luxury of like taking time or pausing.

00:17:38It's like everything needs to get figured out right now.

00:17:40And even when we're like arguing, it's like, well, like we don't.

00:17:42And there's a scene with crew and I'm like, we don't have any more time.

00:17:45Like you have to decide now.

00:17:46And so it's it's a whole different.

00:17:50It's a trauma on a different.

00:17:52Yeah.

00:17:52Like we talked for hours.

00:17:54What I do notice is you're definitely like making an effort with me.

00:17:58Are you OK with that?

00:18:00You do whatever you want.

00:18:01Crew and I definitely have a connection and I do feel like something is there between us.

00:18:07And I am intrigued.

00:18:09When you ask, like, what's your dream date?

00:18:11I'm like, it's you in your cage and you're under here and you sleep there all night.

00:18:16That's on edge.

00:18:17We didn't sleep that much.

00:18:19In the talking sense.

00:18:20Yeah.

00:18:21Now, when Samantha came in, she challenged your relationship.

00:18:25Did you feel like you had an opportunity to really pursue Samantha or was it going to be impossible because

00:18:31Julie was right there?

00:18:32No, I think that's what I was attempting.

00:18:35And then someone got in the way and voted her out.

00:18:38I also gave you the space and time, though.

00:18:41As she stated earlier.

00:18:42I gave you a whole day to explore.

00:18:44And then I was like, that's like I've had enough of that.

00:18:47Right.

00:18:47Her presence is strong.

00:18:49She is a leader.

00:18:50She's fiery.

00:18:51She's passionate.

00:18:52And it's on her clock and no one else's.

00:18:55And she'll admit that.

00:18:57Because she kept asking me, who do you think soulmates?

00:18:59Who do you think soulmates?

00:19:00And in the back of my head, like, your subconscious thought that you usually don't speak.

00:19:05I was like, I genuinely do think it's Samantha.

00:19:08And it was.

00:19:09It was crazy.

00:19:10I was.

00:19:11But it was crazy.

00:19:11Got so much chemistry with her.

00:19:13And we're similar in age.

00:19:15And like, we just figured.

00:19:16I could see both.

00:19:18I also had it in the back of my head that they, like, might have been soulmates.

00:19:22Crew and Samantha also knew each other in real life.

00:19:24Like, that got completely cut out.

00:19:26And I think that's unfair.

00:19:29Did you know Samantha?

00:19:30Crew was in this bitch's DMs for like two years.

00:19:32Like, flame emojis.

00:19:34Is that true?

00:19:34I can show you every single DM.

00:19:36Did you know her before?

00:19:37Have you ever met her in person?

00:19:38No, they knew each other on Instagram, though.

00:19:40Did you know she was going to be there?

00:19:42We hadn't met.

00:19:43You knew each other on Instagram, though.

00:19:44So I had followed her on Instagram because she was a Jim Maddie on my outright.

00:19:49So he's lusting after this girl for like two years.

00:19:51And then she gets brought into the show.

00:19:53Lust is crazy.

00:19:55You don't follow people on Instagram?

00:19:56No, and I don't DM them flame emojis when you're not replying.

00:20:00It's different.

00:20:01You don't have to try.

00:20:02You just don't see your DMs.

00:20:03Did you see his DMs?

00:20:05Okay, she saw your DMs.

00:20:07Yeah, I showed her.

00:20:08Oh, I showed her everything.

00:20:10Yeah.

00:20:11Well, let's kind of get into what happened.

00:20:13That was a crazy smirk.

00:20:15Yeah.

00:20:15Let's talk about it because the two of you left the show together.

00:20:18Regardless of Samantha, you guys chose to continue your relationship.

00:20:21We did. I went straight to her house.

00:20:21Straight to her house.

00:20:22And what was those first few days like once the cameras were down?

00:20:26Good.

00:20:28Good?

00:20:29Yes, no.

00:20:31Great.

00:20:31I mean, they had to be great.

00:20:34As viewers were asking, like, is it real?

00:20:36Like, even crew and I sat, like, cameras were off.

00:20:39Crew and I went and sat outside the house and we were just, like, talking and it, like, crew

00:20:42asked me, he was like, I don't know, like, if this is real for you.

00:20:46And I was like, like, obviously, yes, we are on a show.

00:20:48And there's, like, certain things that come with a show.

00:20:51So did you end up reaching out to Samantha?

00:20:54Yeah.

00:20:54I called her after leaving back home to Utah.

00:21:00She wanted me to fill it out on, like, what happened.

00:21:02Because you guys don't know.

00:21:03Like, once you went home, you missed the last two or three days or something.

00:21:06Yeah.

00:21:07But, yeah, we talked after the show.

00:21:09I facetimed her.

00:21:10Cool.

00:21:10Well, what ended up happening is you didn't get cast for that show and you ended up moving

00:21:14to Utah, which is where crew lives, to continue your relationship.

00:21:19Yeah.

00:21:20Well, my lease was up in L.A. anyways, and I was, like, like, crew and I were still talking

00:21:25and it was...

00:21:26Well, let's backpedal, if I may cut you off.

00:21:28After the show, I'll go straight to her house.

00:21:30We have a night and then I fly out back to Utah.

00:21:34We have, I think, 12 days, 14, like, two weeks of the best facetimes I've ever had.

00:21:41They're, like, magical chemistry, which they didn't show on this show.

00:21:45Yeah.

00:21:46Like, our first couple conversations we had.

00:21:48And I was telling her, hey, like...

00:21:50You're my girlfriend.

00:21:51This is happening.

00:21:51Like, we're going to do this.

00:21:52Yeah, crew said, he was like, you don't...

00:21:54If you weren't getting casted for the show, I would have already asked you to be my girlfriend.

00:21:57So then when I, like, didn't get it, I was like, hey, I, like, didn't get it.

00:22:01And he's like, oh, you might, like...

00:22:02Because he was coming to L.A. for the rap party.

00:22:04He's like, oh, you might be, like, leaving with a boyfriend.

00:22:06I'm like, oh, let's, like, talk about it.

00:22:07We'll talk about it in person.

00:22:08Right.

00:22:08And then, well, how I ended up in Utah, I was like, okay, I'll just, I'll come there

00:22:13because my lease...

00:22:14So, the Utah part happened at the rap party.

00:22:16So...

00:22:16No, I had my lease right before the Utah, before I went to Utah.

00:22:19When you flew in, I had my lease signed to move to Utah.

00:22:23Incorrect.

00:22:23That's not true.

00:22:24You showed up and I had my...

00:22:25I literally paid for my lease.

00:22:27No, that's not.

00:22:27Here's what happened.

00:22:28I go to the rap party.

00:22:29You helped me move.

00:22:31I would have...

00:22:31I did.

00:22:32That has to be...

00:22:33That part's true.

00:22:33So then I had my lease before.

00:22:35The day before you...

00:22:36The day before you came...

00:22:38For a second.

00:22:39It's not your truth.

00:22:40It's a false...

00:22:41No, no.

00:22:41I'm just going to tell you what happened.

00:22:42Okay, go ahead.

00:22:43I go to the rap party.

00:22:44I planned.

00:22:45You pick me up.

00:22:45You give me a prime.

00:22:46Very kind.

00:22:47But then we have a party.

00:22:48We're having a blast.

00:22:50We go to the party.

00:22:52Shit hits the fan.

00:22:53Tony remembers.

00:22:54Because I had to buy her a drink.

00:22:56Oh, yeah.

00:22:56It was like...

00:22:57But it wasn't just that.

00:22:58It was, like, all these, like, small things.

00:23:00You, like, just, like...

00:23:01Julie was pissed because crew didn't buy her a drink or didn't pay her offer to pay for

00:23:06the Uber.

00:23:07And then she was like,

00:23:08Tony, is that right?

00:23:08I was doing, like, a million things.

00:23:10I was moving.

00:23:11I was, like, scared.

00:23:12I'm like, I already committed to moving.

00:23:14It is maybe expected that if you're dating someone, you're going to buy them a drink,

00:23:16right?

00:23:17Also, I'm like, I'm literally moving to Utah.

00:23:20Like, I just made this whole thing.

00:23:21Before we even get in.

00:23:22Because it's not, like...

00:23:23Yeah.

00:23:24Yeah.

00:23:24We have to do the house.

00:23:24She is living.

00:23:25So, when we walk in, she's hot.

00:23:28She's like, where's my red carpet?

00:23:29Where's my freaking Gucci bag?

00:23:31Like, why am I not getting pictures taken?

00:23:33And I'm like, hey, like...

00:23:36That wasn't, like...

00:23:45And again, I know that it's, like, I have that, like, leader energy.

00:23:48But I'm like, you're also the man I'm choosing.

00:23:50And I'm like, you should be, like, second in mind.

00:23:52And we're all the house parties.

00:23:53And then she was like, okay, like, let's get Ubers.

00:23:55Yeah.

00:23:56And I'm like, I'm not doing it.

00:23:57Like, I'm like, I'm just...

00:23:58Okay.

00:23:58She was just saying, yeah.

00:23:59She was just like, hey, Ubers, we need Ubers.

00:24:01I'm thinking we're driving.

00:24:02She shouldn't have to.

00:24:03Like, I...

00:24:03You're right.

00:24:04You're right.

00:24:04Like, even I was offering, like, can I pick up some alcohol?

00:24:07Can I get an Uber?

00:24:08Can I get you a drink?

00:24:09Because she was...

00:24:10She had a lot on her.

00:24:10But here's why I didn't get the Uber.

00:24:12I thought me and her were driving.

00:24:13She has a car.

00:24:13But it was like, even if that's not...

00:24:15It's like, where did you, like, step up for me?

00:24:17Like, there's always this, like, excuse.

00:24:19For people who don't know, you're sober.

00:24:20You don't drink.

00:24:21Does that play a factor in any of this conversation?

00:24:23Like, I bought in one drink in my entire life for a girl.

00:24:26And the one time I did it, I turned around and she was gone.

00:24:29I was like, yeah, I'm never doing that again.

00:24:31That was crazy.

00:24:32Right.

00:24:32So, it's just not...

00:24:33I hear you.

00:24:34I have guy friends that, like, would never...

00:24:36But that's a culture thing.

00:24:38Completely platonic would never let me even, like, get...

00:24:39I understand.

00:24:40Yeah, I don't understand that world.

00:24:41I don't drink.

00:24:42Never have...

00:24:43Tony understood.

00:24:44I got you.

00:24:44It sounds like it's more about her just wanting you to step up and just...

00:24:47But also, I just...

00:24:48I communicated it, too.

00:24:49And then it was all like, I don't...

00:24:51Like, no, you're crazy.

00:24:52And, like, I was so calm when I communicated.

00:24:54I was like, this...

00:24:54I'm like, it just made me feel, like, not cared for.

00:24:56She was calm after she hid for a minute and confided in Tony.

00:25:00Told him everything.

00:25:01That's what...

00:25:01Tony had to come to me and say, hey, hey, hey.

00:25:02That's what I want to point out is, like, okay.

00:25:04I'd be venting.

00:25:05Yeah.

00:25:06So, you're...

00:25:06But, like, I don't know.

00:25:07Maybe you should have been to talk to him about...

00:25:09True.

00:25:09And I said that, too.

00:25:10And I said that, too.

00:25:10I was all like, yeah.

00:25:11I'm like, that's where, like, my fault is.

00:25:13But do you see how it's, like, ends up being the what about is on that?

00:25:16You attack something for me.

00:25:22I mean, you'd be like, hey, I really wanted you to buy me a drink.

00:25:24But this literally happened on the show.

00:25:26You're welcome to me about it.

00:25:26Yeah.

00:25:27Yeah.

00:25:27I agree.

00:25:28This happens on the show, too.

00:25:30I take accountability and I say, you're right.

00:25:32You're right.

00:25:32But then I never get the same in return.

00:25:34You still aren't like, you know what?

00:25:35I should have showed up for you.

00:25:37I say it for me.

00:25:38So, we attack that.

00:25:39So, then the original argument never even gets addressed.

00:25:42And now it's just, what did Julie do?

00:25:43And I'm like, yeah, you're right.

00:25:44And I said that to you then.

00:25:45I'm like, you know what?

00:25:46Like, I should just come to you.

00:25:47No, you don't say you're right after you make a mistake and bet to somebody else and then come back.

00:25:53Yeah, God forbid.

00:25:54So, you guys clearly had some turmoil after the show.

00:25:56But you still moved to Utah.

00:25:59So, I guess.

00:25:59That's a small deal.

00:26:01You didn't have any turmoil until I was literally leaving.

00:26:04We were packing up.

00:26:04My house crew drove me, too.

00:26:06That's a lie.

00:26:06We had turmoil at the party.

00:26:07But I know until you were there in Utah.

00:26:09But it was already decided until you were there in LA.

00:26:11Oh, that.

00:26:11Yeah.

00:26:12Like, everything was like, I'm like, I'm not going on the show.

00:26:15We're going to date.

00:26:16We're like.

00:26:16I stay an extra couple of days at that rep party.

00:26:20Yeah.

00:26:20We're like, lovey-dovey.

00:26:22Yeah.

00:26:23We're lovey-dovey.

00:26:23And then it's like, but he's already there.

00:26:25And the lease is already signed.

00:26:26And I'm already going.

00:26:28Let's not sign.

00:26:29You come into the room and you're like, hey, I think I'm going to do this lease.

00:26:32It's like 4,000 down.

00:26:34So, let me ask you this, though.

00:26:35Was the hopes on you moving to Utah to further your relationship with crew?

00:26:39Yes.

00:26:40And that's how you felt.

00:26:41You must have been so excited that she's moving.

00:26:43Yeah, that was the whole thing.

00:26:44I would never have gone to Utah.

00:26:45Yeah.

00:26:46The original plan was to drive me back to Utah on her way to Montana to drop things off in

00:26:51Montana.

00:26:52While we're there, I'm helping her move stuff to storage.

00:26:55When she said, what did you do for me?

00:26:56I helped a little bit.

00:26:57I did some things.

00:26:58He lifted a finger.

00:27:00I lifted one.

00:27:01While we're there after the wrap party a couple of days in, that's when the lease was purchased.

00:27:06Because you were showing me different options.

00:27:08And you're like, this one's sick.

00:27:09No, that happened on FaceTime.

00:27:10Once you were there, it was done.

00:27:12Okay.

00:27:13So, let's move on.

00:27:15Truly, right?

00:27:16No, it's true.

00:27:16I feel like you're right because I remember that conversation happening.

00:27:19She didn't even know she was moving to Utah at the wrap party.

00:27:21Yeah.

00:27:21Because I remember you guys were talking about her possibly moving.

00:27:25I literally was getting a storage unit.

00:27:28I miss you saying my name like that.

00:27:30Aw.

00:27:31Okay.

00:27:31Let's move on.

00:27:32We're in Utah.

00:27:33Regardless, I'm moving to Utah for this man.

00:27:36Okay.

00:27:36And you moved to Utah.

00:27:38And this is a great opportunity for you guys to further your relationship.

00:27:42Keep in mind, that's a bold-ass move.

00:27:45That's a big-

00:27:45I've known her for seven games.

00:27:46It's fucking terrifying.

00:27:47I'm just moving to Utah.

00:27:48But is she moving in with you?

00:27:49She's moving in her own place.

00:27:50No, she's at her own place in Sandy.

00:27:51And then how was your relationship in Utah?

00:27:54Did you guys date for how long in Utah?

00:27:56Hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:27:57We had a road trip to get back to Utah.

00:27:59Right.

00:27:59And that could have been its own show.

00:28:00The start of it, I was like, I looked at the ETA and I was like, oh my gosh.

00:28:05Yeah, we're fighting on the way to Utah.

00:28:07We had a massive fight.

00:28:09Surprise.

00:28:10Over what?

00:28:11Do you remember?

00:28:13Not really.

00:28:14No, I'm kidding.

00:28:15I shouldn't remember.

00:28:16I'm not in Utah.

00:28:16Over the shit.

00:28:17Like, the same thing.

00:28:19But I will say, she was flustered.

00:28:20She didn't have a place.

00:28:21She didn't have a leash.

00:28:22She didn't know where she was going.

00:28:23She's going to a new place.

00:28:24We had her dog with her.

00:28:26Like, friends were in LA.

00:28:28I get it.

00:28:29Yeah.

00:28:30I get it.

00:28:30Yeah.

00:28:31And I was like, I'm really struggling with this.

00:28:33And I try to, like, communicate the best I could have.

00:28:35And, like, Chris, like, you shouldn't be, like, you shouldn't be upset.

00:28:38And I'm like, but I am.

00:28:39I'm just a positive person.

00:28:41A positive outlook.

00:28:42That's, like, toxic positivity.

00:28:43Because I'm like, you're not listening to me.

00:28:44I'm like, I would get there.

00:28:45Which is exactly what I said in the car.

00:28:46I'm like, I would get there if you just let me, like, have my emotions.

00:28:49And that is a flaw of mine.

00:28:50I lack sympathy and empathy.

00:28:52So I'm like, we're always going to figure it out.

00:28:53It's always going to be good.

00:28:54And I needed to be better with that for her.

00:28:57100%.

00:28:57With anyone.

00:28:57Did you guys have any positive moments in Utah together?

00:29:01No, we did.

00:29:03That's actually the hard part.

00:29:04I'll say we got to the point where I was, like, kind of crazy to say it.

00:29:09But, like, I was thinking about marrying that chick.

00:29:11No, we had, we were intentionally.

00:29:14It was honestly, like, very similar to the show.

00:29:17Like, we had, we would fight.

00:29:20And then it was, like, really back and forth.

00:29:22I met Cruz's parents.

00:29:24Like, I met his mom.

00:29:26Um, yeah.

00:29:27In a very, like, casual.

00:29:29I did meet his son in a very, like, casual setting.

00:29:31Like, it wasn't super intense.

00:29:33We were at, like, a health event with him.

00:29:35But, yeah.

00:29:36Like, I was, like, really integrated into Cruz's life.

00:29:39But it was a lot, like, the show where we would fight.

00:29:42And then it was, like, we, when we were, like, good.

00:29:45And really, like, like, like, there were.

00:29:47I would say we were 80% good, 20% fights.

00:29:50Yeah, and they were, like, it was, like, really core.

00:29:53Yeah, we don't yell.

00:29:54But it's really, like, core issues where, like, I'm, like.

00:29:58We have different belief systems.

00:30:00Yeah, we have entirely different belief systems.

00:30:03Which is crazy that we made it as far as we did with that.

00:30:06That's what made it so hard on the decision.

00:30:08Because I'm, like, yo, we could actually do this.

00:30:11Right.

00:30:12And she was down and ready for, like, we're both in our 30s at that point.

00:30:15That's, like.

00:30:15Yeah.

00:30:16Well, when things were good, it was, like, it was great.

00:30:18Like, we were, like, laughing together and.

00:30:20It sounds like great chemistry, but poor compatibility.

00:30:23Yeah.

00:30:23Sort of sounds like.

00:30:24Right.

00:30:24That's a good.

00:30:25Well, if only it could end there.

00:30:27But things did take a little bit of a turn when Julie booked a flight to Los Angeles for Halloween

00:30:32weekend

00:30:33and asked Cruz to watch her dog, Camila, while she was out of town.

00:30:37Now, it's come to my understanding that Cruz did not fulfill those obligations in watching the dog.

00:30:43Is that what you would say?

00:30:47That's what the show said.

00:30:48Well.

00:30:49That's what I say.

00:30:49That's what she said.

00:30:50Julie expected you to let her dog out, you know, consistently while she was in L.A. the entire time,

00:30:55and she trusted you.

00:30:57Unfortunately, you were not able to show up one time, which resulted in neighbors letting the dog out who the

00:31:03dog didn't know.

00:31:03And the dog ran away, and Julie heads to change her flight and fly back to Utah within 24 hours.

00:31:10Is that correct?

00:31:11That is correct.

00:31:12The before that, though, is she's like, hey, I'm going to Netflix party Halloween.

00:31:16I said, cool.

00:31:17Get somebody to watch your dog.

00:31:19I don't want to do it.

00:31:20Make a plan.

00:31:21That's too much responsibility.

00:31:22I don't want to do it.

00:31:23The day of she's leaving, I said, oh, who did you get for the dog?

00:31:26She's like, oh, I didn't get anybody.

00:31:28And I'm like, okay, I'll do it then.

00:31:29So I stay at her house Thursday and Friday.

00:31:32I sleep over there with the dog.

00:31:35Give her food.

00:31:36Chicken, she's left out.

00:31:37I love dogs.

00:31:38I have so many dogs.

00:31:39I mean, it also is like she just moved to Utah.

00:31:41She doesn't know a lot of people.

00:31:42You're her boyfriend at the time.

00:31:43I have a support system.

00:31:45I'm like, can you please?

00:31:46I'm like, please just, like, help me, like, be there for me, which is, like, a problem we already had

00:31:50in our, like, relationship.

00:31:51I'm like, what is your intention to show up for me?

00:31:55So what were you doing that day that you couldn't let the dogs out?

00:31:58Well, so the first time it happened, I was on my way to a party with my friend.

00:32:04We were running late, and I said, hey, we got to go let the dog out.

00:32:08And then I FaceTime her, and I'm like, hey, we're on our way to this party.

00:32:11I'm going to be, like, an hour or two late.

00:32:15She freaks out.

00:32:16I flip out, and, like, my dog's been home alone all day.

00:32:19I was just with the dog, slept over.

00:32:21No, he was there at 8 a.m., left her alone all day for 11 hours.

00:32:25I was at the house till 1 p.m.

00:32:26What time did you leave?

00:32:271 p.m.

00:32:29Is there any security cameras at the house?

00:32:32I don't even care.

00:32:32That's true.

00:32:33Like, you can't leave her home alone for 12 hours.

00:32:36I didn't.

00:32:37I left at 1.

00:32:37You were going to, you're like, I'm going to go after this party, which was, like, 1 a.m.

00:32:406 hours.

00:32:41Right.

00:32:42That's not okay.

00:32:43It is okay to leave a dog alone for 6 hours.

00:32:46You literally texted me.

00:32:47You're all like, the difference would have been some pissing shit on the floor.

00:32:49That's animal neglect.

00:32:50I said the worst thing that could happen.

00:32:51And I was like, that's not okay for my dog.

00:32:53That's not okay for my dog.

00:32:54And that's-

00:32:55Do you think you had-

00:32:56I agree with that.

00:32:57I made it very clear to him what his responsibilities were before you left.

00:33:00So guess what I did?

00:33:01Just take care of her.

00:33:02I'm like, she's all I fucking have.

00:33:04I was there all day Thursday.

00:33:05I slept there all day Friday.

00:33:07I worked there till 1.

00:33:08I leave at 1 to go home and do some stuff in my place.

00:33:11I'm heading over there.

00:33:13And instead of getting there at 7, I'm going to get there at 8.30.

00:33:16She freaks out.

00:33:17And I say, hey, if it's that big of a deal-

00:33:20No, I asked the neighbor at 9.30.

00:33:22It was already 9.30 because I said, you're seriously having me ask my neighbor.

00:33:25It's 9.30.

00:33:26The sun's down.

00:33:27I look so irresponsible.

00:33:28I should just tell you at the gas station.

00:33:31I said, we're running late.

00:33:32And I said, if the dog has to be let out right now, end of the world,

00:33:36the neighbor that's going to let it out tomorrow, just call them.

00:33:39And she said, okay, I'll call them.

00:33:40I'll call you back.

00:33:41She never calls me back.

00:33:42She calls the neighbor.

00:33:44The neighbor says yes.

00:33:45The neighbor comes over.

00:33:47She tells the neighbor, don't put the leash on.

00:33:50Just open the door.

00:33:51It'll run to the grass and run back in.

00:33:53Neighbor opens the door.

00:33:54The dog bolts.

00:33:55It was scared.

00:33:56She's not there.

00:33:57It wasn't me.

00:33:58She's gone under the gate and gone.

00:34:01And then she calls me, Sovic, as I'm getting to that party to drop off.

00:34:06Wow.

00:34:07Dakota.

00:34:07And then I'm like, okay, I'm going to go find your dog right now.

00:34:10So I leave the party, drive over to her place, search for an hour up all the streets.

00:34:14And there's a big mountainside.

00:34:16So I searched everything up into that.

00:34:18And I couldn't find her anywhere.

00:34:19And a crew goes to my only, the one friend I have in there.

00:34:23He's like, well, I hate to say it, but there's nothing left we can do.

00:34:26When you look for one hour for her.

00:34:28What was, who called you and let you know the dog went missing?

00:34:30My neighbor.

00:34:31And what did they say?

00:34:32They said, she's gone.

00:34:34She's gone.

00:34:34I don't know.

00:34:35And I said, no.

00:34:36I'm like, no way.

00:34:37Like, she's never ran away.

00:34:38Like, she's such a, like, she doesn't just run away.

00:34:41She never ran away.

00:34:42Yeah.

00:34:42I was like in disbelief.

00:34:44I was like, this isn't like, this isn't happening.

00:34:46Like, I was in denial.

00:34:47I was like, do I leave?

00:34:48Do I not leave?

00:34:49And then I'm like, no, I have, I have to leave.

00:34:51And I got a flight back.

00:34:53I left LA at like 3 a.m.

00:34:55My flight was going to be at 5 a.m.

00:34:57And I like called crew and I said, I'll be there at 8 a.m.

00:35:00And crew said, okay, cool.

00:35:01I'm going dirt biking.

00:35:03Did you pick her up from the airport when she landed?

00:35:06I did not.

00:35:07She texted me at like 4 a.m. saying I'm flying in.

00:35:10I didn't see it till I'm already loaded up and leaving.

00:35:13I need to go pick up my brother.

00:35:14Yeah.

00:35:15And I say, I heart that message.

00:35:16And then I say, call the pound of 10 when they open.

00:35:21And sent her a bunch of different.

00:35:22So helpful.

00:35:23So helpful to send me the number.

00:35:24You should call the pound.

00:35:26Never thought of doing that.

00:35:27Because of my perspective, I think someone took the dog into the backyard or their house.

00:35:30You made shit up in your head.

00:35:32You made up a fantasy to make yourself feel better.

00:35:34That's not all that happened.

00:35:35I just said, this is what I thought.

00:35:36She definitely thinks you fell short.

00:35:38And this is really serious for her because it is her dog.

00:35:41100%.

00:35:42Can you take accountability for that?

00:35:43Oh, for sure.

00:35:44100%.

00:35:45Do you want to apologize maybe for that?

00:35:47Yeah, I apologize.

00:35:48I've told you that before.

00:35:50I think the part, the spoiler alert is my dog gets hit by a fucking car and dies.

00:35:57And also, when I found my dog, I was there alone because crew wasn't there.

00:36:01Because you had better things to do than show up for me.

00:36:03You had better things to do than let Camilla out.

00:36:05You had better things to do than show up at the airport for me.

00:36:08When I moved for you, when I had real feelings for you.

00:36:12And then I'm sitting there on the side of the road with my dead dog who I'm like, this is

00:36:16all I have in this world.

00:36:19And you're not there again.

00:36:21And I'm the one sitting there holding her.

00:36:24So it's not just like, yeah, sorry.

00:36:27Sorry I didn't show up.

00:36:28You changed the course of my life.

00:36:30Like, you gave me, like, the worst type of betrayal trauma to work through.

00:36:34And you weren't there.

00:36:35And all, like, sure.

00:36:37I'm sorry.

00:36:39Yeah.

00:36:39Yeah, I should have been there.

00:36:41Like, it's actually not good enough.

00:36:43That's not how it went down from my side.

00:36:45But I understand her story.

00:36:46And you still have to use your defense mechanisms in your head to be like, that's not how it went

00:36:51down.

00:36:51So that you can ease your fucking ego.

00:36:54That's not how it went down.

00:36:55Does that feel better for you?

00:36:57That's just what I said.

00:36:59Does that feel better?

00:37:00Is there, like, more responsibility you want him to take?

00:37:03Because he just apologized.

00:37:04Yeah, I think he should, like, really work internally, like, on who he is as a person.

00:37:08And you're a weak character.

00:37:10Instead of just being like, yeah, it's just something that happened.

00:37:12Like, you're really not internalized.

00:37:15You're really not reflecting.

00:37:17And I can tell by the way that you're still twisting.

00:37:19From my perspective, that's not what happened.

00:37:22You weren't there.

00:37:23I just said what happened.

00:37:24And I'm on the side of the street.

00:37:26You didn't call me.

00:37:27I called you.

00:37:27Because you weren't my safe person anymore.

00:37:30You didn't let me show up.

00:37:30You didn't tell me what you were.

00:37:31Because you already didn't come to the airport.

00:37:33I told you when I was getting in at the airport.

00:37:34And I said I can be there when I'm done with my kid.

00:37:36Yeah, and I said come.

00:37:37And then the last hour of being with that kid, that's when you texted me and said.

00:37:41But you had every opportunity before that to show up for me.

00:37:45So, yes, when I started to say, I don't want you here.

00:37:47Then you're like, I try to be there for you.

00:37:49But what about all those times before that that I wanted you to be there for me?

00:37:53And that's exactly what we were even fighting about in L.A.

00:37:55I'm like, I want you to be there for me.

00:37:58And it translated to something so horrific.

00:38:01Like, this is a character flaw.

00:38:02This isn't just, oh, I'm sorry.

00:38:04And, like, look at the consequences of that.

00:38:07And you expect to not have consequences and then not have consequences with me.

00:38:10I said to you, I was like, what did you think I was going to do when you said, told

00:38:13me that you're going dirt biking?

00:38:15What did you think was going to happen?

00:38:16That I was going to be like, oh, it's okay.

00:38:18It's okay.

00:38:18I was trying to help you from not being there in person the whole day and you wouldn't respond to

00:38:23me.

00:38:23Yeah.

00:38:24Because it was too late.

00:38:25Because you had every opportunity to be there for me.

00:38:27But you flew in at 4 a.m. and texted me.

00:38:30I didn't even get the text.

00:38:31You woke up and should have been like, I'm there.

00:38:33I didn't even see it when I woke up.

00:38:35I was on the road.

00:38:36You text.

00:38:36Then turn around.

00:38:37I could have.

00:38:38That was a mistake that I made.

00:38:40I should have not gone dirt biking, canceled it, and come and help you fight your dog.

00:38:44I think she expected you to drop everything and be there for her 150% because this is

00:38:49the most important animal in her life.

00:38:51In my mind, she's going to freak out.

00:38:53I at least got to tell my side.

00:38:54Yeah.

00:38:55I think the dog is in someone's backyard.

00:38:57It's happened to me before when our dog ran away.

00:38:59And it's going to be in the pound at 10 a.m.

00:39:02So I'm waiting.

00:39:02Who cares what you think?

00:39:04Who cares what you think, though?

00:39:06Who cares about your fantasy?

00:39:08But that's not the reality.

00:39:09You guys want to focus on fantasy?

00:39:11I care about Cruz's fantasy that he's making up in his head.

00:39:14That's not fantasy.

00:39:14I'm telling you what happened.

00:39:15No.

00:39:16No, you said this is what I...

00:39:17This is the fantasy in my head.

00:39:18That's not what happened.

00:39:18She wasn't in someone's backyard.

00:39:20Was she in someone's backyard?

00:39:22Was she in someone's backyard?

00:39:24Yes or no?

00:39:25Say what?

00:39:25Was she in someone's backyard?

00:39:26Yes or no?

00:39:27We don't know.

00:39:28Okay, well...

00:39:29She wouldn't have gotten hit by a fucking car and snapped her neck if she was in someone's

00:39:33backyard.

00:39:34We need to share what happened.

00:39:36Let's take a second there.

00:39:37Obviously, you had wishful thinking, but I think she needed a little bit more action.

00:39:41You were hopeful that the dog would be okay.

00:39:43I know it's going to be hard, but can you just share with viewers exactly what happened

00:39:47when you got back and how you ended up finding out your dog had passed away?

00:39:52So I fly in.

00:39:54Cruz's not there.

00:39:55So I get my own Uber from the airport.

00:39:58And I have one other friend in Utah who's helping me look for her and who also has a chronic

00:40:04illness who's also coming out there like, well, she's really sick and going through health

00:40:09problems.

00:40:10But she could be inconvenienced and show up for me.

00:40:14And I didn't even know what to do.

00:40:17All I have is Cruz say, call the pound.

00:40:19Here's some numbers to call when I'm even unable to make decisions.

00:40:23And so we like went to the churches nearby and we're just, I was like, my dog's missing.

00:40:30And yeah, we're just out like looking all day.

00:40:32And I get a call and it was from one of the ladies at the church.

00:40:37And she said, there's a dog on the side of the road.

00:40:40And I just said, I was like, is she white?

00:40:42And she's like, yeah.

00:40:43And so I took off just like running.

00:40:46She's like, it's on like this next street over.

00:40:48So I took off running and it was like, she was a minute away.

00:40:52Like she was, Camilla was like crossing the street to come home.

00:40:55And my girlfriend, Jenny was already there because she was on the next street over.

00:40:59And when she turned the corner, she saw all these like cars stopped and these like headlights.

00:41:04And these ladies had stopped.

00:41:06So cars would stop hitting Camilla because whoever hit her drove off.

00:41:10And I got there and they already like had moved her body and they had a blanket over her.

00:41:15And I was like, I like walked up.

00:41:17I was like, that's my dog.

00:41:19And these ladies, like just strangers.

00:41:21And again, like more compassion from strangers than like the man I had like feelings for.

00:41:27And these ladies were just like looking at me and they're like, we're so sorry.

00:41:30I thought they were the ones that hit her.

00:41:31And they're like, we're so sorry.

00:41:33And I was like, it's okay.

00:41:34Like, it's okay.

00:41:34Because I'm like, it was obviously an accident.

00:41:36And they're like, no, the person who hit her drove away.

00:41:39And I just like sat there with my girlfriend, Jenny.

00:41:42And we just like cried on the side of the road.

00:41:46And I like, I called crew and I like was screaming.

00:41:50But do you see the frustration of being like, but I had a fantasy of what happened to her because

00:41:55it's so different than the reality.

00:41:57So that's why I say the fantasy doesn't matter.

00:41:59That's what you thought.

00:42:00But you thought that to make you feel better.

00:42:02That's what I'm asking you to do is to drop these character defenses that you use to make yourself feel

00:42:08better.

00:42:08Because it's actually, I care about what he has to say.

00:42:10I care about this fantasy that wasn't the reality.

00:42:13And my reality completely changed.

00:42:15It's a fantasy because that's not what happened.

00:42:17She wasn't in someone's backyard.

00:42:18But no one knew what happened.

00:42:19That's what I'm saying.

00:42:20Exactly.

00:42:20But the worst thing in the world happened.

00:42:22That's the worst thing in the world happened.

00:42:23She does the same thing.

00:42:25It doesn't make sense.

00:42:26I'm like, there's two truths to the side.

00:42:28There's not.

00:42:28The truth is that my dog's dead.

00:42:30I agree.

00:42:30And we should all be wishing her.

00:42:32What more truth is there than the fact that she died?

00:42:35Yeah.

00:42:35Yeah, that's the worst part.

00:42:36And I'm so sorry.

00:42:37No, no, I'm sorry.

00:42:38What other truth is there?

00:42:39Two truths?

00:42:40No, we're telling a story.

00:42:42And so we're telling four side and five side.

00:42:45Who cares about what you thought?

00:42:47They want to hear it.

00:42:47They weren't there.

00:42:48Is there anything?

00:42:49You're very heated and passionate.

00:42:50And you'll say these things and mark me.

00:42:52Oh, my God.

00:42:53God forbid.

00:42:54I'm passionate about you killing my dog.

00:42:57You didn't kill me.

00:42:58No, I understand that.

00:42:59One hundred percent.

00:43:00Brynn, what do you think or can add to the situation?

00:43:03Maybe to bring some clarity or, you know, true sense.

00:43:07I mean, I think obviously there, you know, to which crew has agreed he could have and he could have

00:43:13been there more for her regardless.

00:43:15Like, even with the airport and everything, it's like it's a heated moment.

00:43:18And there's so many emotions that Julie is going through.

00:43:20And the truth that was going through her mind is this is like her pet who she cares for like

00:43:26a child.

00:43:26Yeah, a hundred percent.

00:43:27And she needed somebody there for her.

00:43:29And she hoped that that would have been crew and it wasn't.

00:43:31And I think.

00:43:32But also like no one.

00:43:34Like, I just moved to Utah too.

00:43:36Like, I didn't have anyone there.

00:43:38And it's like with.

00:43:40It's a tragedy in so many ways.

00:43:42But there were a lot of things that I think could have been done at least to make Julie feel

00:43:47more supported in that moment.

00:43:49And it makes me very sad.

00:43:51But she wasn't able to have that.

00:43:52And at the very least, I'm glad that you had a few friends that were able to be inconvenienced.

00:43:57Because when it's somebody that you care about, those are the things that really show that you're there to show

00:44:03up for people.

00:44:04And I think, you know, I feel for her in so many ways.

00:44:08And I, you know, I wish there was more of that.

00:44:11I could have done it.

00:44:12It's like I wasn't even in the state, you know.

00:44:15Yeah, I mean, for sure.

00:44:16It's a really hard thing.

00:44:17But I think that also shows, you know, the incompatibility there where it's just like they aren't on the same

00:44:22wavelength at all.

00:44:24And Julie needed support and she didn't have that.

00:44:26It's so painful.

00:44:28And I like, I miss her so much.

00:44:30And like in the ways that like I do blame crew, like I blame myself so much because I'm like,

00:44:37it also happened because I picked someone who wasn't a good man.

00:44:42And I like, I knew it.

00:44:43And I knew the sides.

00:44:44And I still like stayed.

00:44:46And I picked you.

00:44:47So I'm like, as much as I blame you, I blame myself.

00:44:50And that's something I'm like, struggle is so much.

00:44:53So it wouldn't have happened if I didn't like crew and do my life.

00:44:56You can't blame yourself.

00:44:57But it's fine.

00:44:58I do.

00:44:59It is.

00:44:59Because if I like would pick better men, like she would still be here.

00:45:02Like that's the person I trusted.

00:45:04And it's like.

00:45:06Sometimes life happens.

00:45:08No, it's like.

00:45:08But I mean, I promise you, like I'll never learn that lesson again because I had already learned the lesson.

00:45:12Like I had said it going into the show.

00:45:14I'm like, you really remind me of like my toxic, abusive ex.

00:45:19And I'm like, I've learned this lesson before.

00:45:21And then I decided that I did it.

00:45:24Yeah.

00:45:25Toxic, abusive ex is crazy.

00:45:27Never abused at once.

00:45:28Is there anything maybe you can say or have that could maybe give her a little bit of comfort?

00:45:34I mean, I fucking love Camilla.

00:45:37And you know that.

00:45:38We were best friends.

00:45:39She loved me.

00:45:40We have sleepovers all the time.

00:45:42Like I am sincerely sorry that she passed away.

00:45:44And you know that.

00:45:47Do you want to give her anything?

00:45:51I mean, I don't think she wants it right now.

00:45:53To be honest, I can tell she's heated.

00:45:55I'm just going to give it to her afterwards.

00:45:57Okay.

00:45:57I truly want nothing from you.

00:46:00I think whatever you have for me, it's to soothe you and soothe your ego.

00:46:05Yeah.

00:46:06She sits here and calls me a toxic person and.

00:46:09Look at the way you responded.

00:46:10Look at the way you're still responding.

00:46:13I understand that.

00:46:13It's not that.

00:46:14It's the way your defenses are still.

00:46:16That's what makes you toxic.

00:46:17I don't even get to talk.

00:46:18Can you guys see that?

00:46:19I want to hear what you have to say.

00:46:22Obviously, we're going to have to put a little bit of a pin in this, but.

00:46:25She's trying to come out my character and I'm a horrible person and this and that.

00:46:30Why did you move to Utah for me?

00:46:31Why are we together for two months?

00:46:32Why did you want to get married?

00:46:34Like, why did you want to do all these things?

00:46:36You're trying to blanket statement all of that.

00:46:39Why do people end up with horrible men all the time?

00:46:42Did you break up with them because of the dog?

00:46:44Yes.

00:46:45That was definitely the master.

00:46:47But what I'm saying is, it's just keep in mind.

00:46:51She's coming after me for all this character stuff and we have more to get to.

00:46:55Yeah.

00:46:56Okay.

00:46:56We're going to hold on a second.

00:46:58I'll give you.

00:46:59This was the gift I was going to give her for Christmas.

00:47:01And do you want to hand it to her, Tony?

00:47:03She might hit me or something.

00:47:05At least look at it.

00:47:06It was about Camilla.

00:47:07It's so manipulative.

00:47:09Because every time you had to make me feel better, you weren't there for me in all the

00:47:16ways that mattered.

00:47:17Please don't.

00:47:18I think that's such a slap in the face.

00:47:20And all the times that you had to be there for me, it's all a reflection of your ego to

00:47:25soothe you, to make yourself feel better.

00:47:27Because when you could have been there for me, you weren't there.

00:47:31That's how I know that that gift is so manipulative.

00:47:35It's just like when you showed up with flowers, flowers out my door, the bear, it's all for

00:47:39you to feel better.

00:47:40Because when you had times for me to feel better, you had all those chances and you don't take

00:47:45them.

00:47:45Until then you're like, oh, now I have to not feel like the bad guy.

00:47:49That's it.

00:47:52That's not it.

00:47:54It is true.

00:47:55And you know that.

00:47:57Listen, this did not end there.

00:47:58There was some social media back and forth.

00:48:01There was some aggressive texts sent for a few weeks.

00:48:04Who wants you to go pick up your dog's ashes?

00:48:06Because everything that you do is so transactional.

00:48:10And that's why when you do shit like this, it makes me feel like it's all for ego.

00:48:13It's all for transaction because you bring it back up.

00:48:16It's never out of your heart.

00:48:17It's so that you can say, well, I did this for you, but I did this for you.

00:48:20I went with you to get your dog's ashes.

00:48:22Yeah, I did that.

00:48:23Amazing, like bring that up.

00:48:25No, you bring it up.

00:48:26You do it so that you can bring it up at a later time and say, but look what I

00:48:28did for

00:48:29you.

00:48:29That's what you do.

00:48:30I don't do that.

00:48:31I did it.

00:48:31You're doing it right now.

00:48:33You're doing it right now.

00:48:34I have texts of you saying, but I got you a keychain.

00:48:37I got you a keychain.

00:48:39I did so much for you.

00:48:42And I literally said in there, I said, this is why I don't trust anything that you say

00:48:46because you bring it back up to say, but at least I did this for you.

00:48:50And that's what makes it fake.

00:48:51You guys can see why I'm not with you.

00:48:53I'll just put that out there.

00:48:54That's too much.

00:48:56Yeah, you don't because you never want someone to hold you accountable.

00:48:59You can't be with someone to hold you accountable.

00:49:01You will never be with someone who can hold you accountable because you just twist it.

00:49:05You twist it and you will never.

00:49:07Of course, you don't want to be with someone like that.

00:49:09Then why'd you take me back after?

00:49:12Crew, because I had feelings for you because I was in the worst place ever.

00:49:15But if I have a horrible character, why would you take me back?

00:49:17Do you not know?

00:49:18Because that's how abuse works because you're a love bomb and you're there for me.

00:49:21I'm fucking confused.

00:49:22I'm crying too.

00:49:23I'm like, I don't want to be alone.

00:49:25Your manipulation is abusive.

00:49:27I was like, I would cry to you.

00:49:28I was like, this is manipulation.

00:49:31The shit that you pull, the way that you talk, though, your fucking demeanor, your talks,

00:49:35the comebacks, the way that gifts, all of that.

00:49:38What you're doing right now is manipulative.

00:49:40If you're trying to be nice to someone and they're Latina, they're not going to accept it.

00:49:44They're going to call you manipulative.

00:49:45Just take note on that.

00:49:46Is there anything you could say or do to make you feel like this isn't his fault and to make

00:49:52you look at him differently?

00:49:54It seems like he did try in some ways.

00:49:56I'm a 100% accountability person.

00:49:59I take accountability.

00:50:00If I was there, the dog could have still been alive.

00:50:02She also needs to take accountability.

00:50:04She left.

00:50:05There was no error.

00:50:06There's so many things we can get into that we don't need to.

00:50:08Yeah.

00:50:08And that the dog could have still been here.

00:50:10I am a firm believer on everything happens for a reason.

00:50:13I think this happened for you in your life.

00:50:16And you know it because you've told me that.

00:50:18And we talked about it afterwards.

00:50:20And it allowed you to be freed up to go do all the grand things that you're going to do.

00:50:25And you know that.

00:50:28What else happened after the dog?

00:50:31There was some social media activity, some pretty dark texts exchanged.

00:50:34Not even there.

00:50:35We get back together after the dog thing.

00:50:38But Cruz also like telling me everything I want to hear.

00:50:41He's like this made me realize like I want you to be my girlfriend.

00:50:44I'm sorry.

00:50:44I'll like I'll give you everything you need.

00:50:46I'll be there for you.

00:50:47Like I want to be a better man.

00:50:49And so I'm like that's also going on.

00:50:51I'm at the worst point.

00:50:52And I'm like crying to him.

00:50:53I feel like I can't even like make decisions.

00:50:55I'm so broken.

00:50:56I'm like I want you here.

00:50:58Like I care about you.

00:50:59I have feelings for you.

00:51:00Like I was completely falling for you.

00:51:02And you're like yeah but you took me back.

00:51:05Like I was at the worst spot.

00:51:07And I'm like yes I wanted you there.

00:51:08And I told you that.

00:51:09I'm like I want you here.

00:51:10Like I don't want to be alone.

00:51:11But I'm like I fucking hate you.

00:51:13And I like said that too.

00:51:14I was like I hate you.

00:51:15I'm so hurt by you.

00:51:18Correct.

00:51:19And so and then.

00:51:20We're back together.

00:51:21Crew goes to me.

00:51:22Get the ashes.

00:51:23Yeah we were together for like three days.

00:51:24And you were like okay we need to like make a decision.

00:51:26Are we going to do this?

00:51:27Are we not?

00:51:27And I was like I can't do it.

00:51:28And then you said no for a day.

00:51:30And then the next day you're like I actually want to do this.

00:51:33No.

00:51:34Okay.

00:51:34I said I don't.

00:51:35No I was like that's not true.

00:51:37And when.

00:51:38You asked me you're like are we doing this or not?

00:51:39Either we're actually dating.

00:51:41That's what we said.

00:51:41We're like we're either going to actually date.

00:51:43Or we're not.

00:51:45And then you were playing hardball and said no.

00:51:47And then we kept hanging out.

00:51:48Started sleeping together.

00:51:49For like three days.

00:51:50More like a week.

00:51:51No this is three days.

00:51:52It was like the week over the weekend.

00:51:53Pull up the text.

00:51:54I should have brought this.

00:51:55And when did things.

00:51:56You got to bring receipts to a reunion.

00:51:58Yeah.

00:51:58When did things end officially?

00:51:59Like when did you cut communication off?

00:52:01We basically were like.

00:52:02She didn't talk to me for like seven to ten days after the dog thing.

00:52:06And then we get back.

00:52:08We start talking.

00:52:09We go get the ashes.

00:52:10We hang out.

00:52:12And we're hooking up.

00:52:13And we're thinking about dating.

00:52:16Like actually.

00:52:17I'm making it official.

00:52:18And she's like.

00:52:19I hate you.

00:52:20But I love you.

00:52:21I hate you.

00:52:21But I love you.

00:52:22Whatever.

00:52:22And then we go on some dates.

00:52:24And then we just realized.

00:52:26I was like we can't do this.

00:52:27It's not going to work.

00:52:28We're two different love belief systems.

00:52:30So we're like let's do one last date.

00:52:32And just like you know.

00:52:33Have a fun time.

00:52:34We did.

00:52:35Well no we got to a point too.

00:52:36Because I really felt like you were going to get me back.

00:52:40And then just be like.

00:52:42Okay now I feel better.

00:52:42Now I have you back.

00:52:44And then I was like I can't do it.

00:52:47That conversation also.

00:52:48I'm like I can't do it.

00:52:50Like there's too much grief.

00:52:51We talked a lot about that.

00:52:52Of like forgiveness.

00:52:53And moving past it.

00:52:54And I was like I can't do it.

00:52:56We looked it up on chat.

00:52:57GVT.

00:52:58And then said we were walking.

00:52:59Yelp's through fire.

00:53:00For compatibility.

00:53:02Is there any part of you that.

00:53:04You're not going to swing to that.

00:53:05You know that one was funny.

00:53:07Well we could be a trot.

00:53:07We see you to figure that out.

00:53:08Crew is there any part of you.

00:53:10That still has feelings for Julie.

00:53:15That's tough.

00:53:16Ask me that later.

00:53:17Is there any part of you.

00:53:18She just asked you now.

00:53:19Well a lot more.

00:53:20At this point in time.

00:53:22100%.

00:53:23I wanted to be with her.

00:53:24I think we could make it work.

00:53:25I think love is two people choosing each other.

00:53:28And we can overcome anything.

00:53:30In that moment.

00:53:31But because our belief systems.

00:53:32Were so different.

00:53:34I was like I just.

00:53:35I just can't.

00:53:36Yeah.

00:53:37Like she lives a different way.

00:53:40Swings both ways.

00:53:41And to me I just don't do that.

00:53:43I don't do.

00:53:44I think Chris homophobic so.

00:53:45I don't do the gay stuff.

00:53:46That's just not me.

00:53:47I'm my child.

00:53:49You're not gay.

00:53:50But you support gays.

00:53:52Correct?

00:53:53They can do whatever they want.

00:53:54That's not what you say crew.

00:53:56It does not support gays.

00:53:57No they can do whatever they want.

00:53:58I don't support it.

00:53:59You're so judgmental.

00:54:01I don't think people should be gay.

00:54:01You said that it's the evil shit.

00:54:03Wait what's that?

00:54:03You don't think people should be gay?

00:54:05I don't.

00:54:06In fact I can have my opinion.

00:54:08That's what the Bible says.

00:54:10So I just go Christian values.

00:54:11That's all it is.

00:54:12Well it all says not to have kids before marriage.

00:54:14Say what?

00:54:15It all says not to have kids before marriage.

00:54:17Or out of wedlock.

00:54:18Or have sex before marriage.

00:54:19Yeah I agree.

00:54:19No one's perfect.

00:54:20I get that.

00:54:21But what I'm saying is.

00:54:22On the values is.

00:54:23I don't support it.

00:54:25I don't do it.

00:54:26I know Zach's gay.

00:54:27And I can still be casual.

00:54:28With him and we talk.

00:54:29And it's fine.

00:54:31Yeah.

00:54:32Well.

00:54:33You don't need to get into it.

00:54:34Is there.

00:54:34Talk.

00:54:35But yeah.

00:54:35Any way the two of you could move forward.

00:54:38Cordially.

00:54:39Or is this relationship.

00:54:40Friendship done.

00:54:41For the rest of your lives.

00:54:43Like will you ever see him again.

00:54:45After today.

00:54:46I mean we might see each other.

00:54:47But.

00:54:48I don't think like.

00:54:49Not amicably.

00:54:50There's nothing left to say.

00:54:52No.

00:54:53Do you feel like there's anything left to say?

00:54:54This girl.

00:54:55After we break up.

00:54:57Cordially.

00:54:58We still try to be friends for a day.

00:55:01She hangs up on my ass on the phone that night.

00:55:03And I'm like.

00:55:03I don't believe I can't.

00:55:04I'm not going to do that.

00:55:05You can act how you want to act.

00:55:07Which she profusely apologizes for that next day.

00:55:09And says.

00:55:10You were right.

00:55:10I shouldn't have done that.

00:55:12We can't do the friend thing.

00:55:13I'm like.

00:55:14Okay.

00:55:14We're not going to do the friend thing.

00:55:15But like.

00:55:16We can mutually part ways.

00:55:18And at this point.

00:55:19I've already purchased that gift.

00:55:21It wasn't any intention.

00:55:22To just try and make it like a thing about me.

00:55:25And then.

00:55:27We don't talk for a week or something.

00:55:29I go to Vegas that weekend.

00:55:31Hanging out with a group of pretty girls.

00:55:34And she decides to get vindictive.

00:55:36And she goes and has a threesome with my two friends.

00:55:40Yo.

00:55:40That's crazy.

00:55:41I phonic.

00:55:42Like.

00:55:42Talk about character.

00:55:44That's.

00:55:44That's what I'm talking about.

00:55:45Is that.

00:55:46Did you have a threesome with two of his friends?

00:55:48Yeah.

00:55:48But I warned him.

00:55:49And I said.

00:55:49Stop fucking with me.

00:55:51Yeah.

00:55:51What do you mean stop?

00:55:52You're warning.

00:55:52Because you were like.

00:55:53No I didn't.

00:55:54You were posting photos.

00:55:56Trying to like.

00:55:56Make me mad with Shania.

00:55:58And like.

00:55:58Posting that.

00:55:59And I called you.

00:56:00I said.

00:56:00Don't fuck with me.

00:56:01I was like.

00:56:01A breakup's hard enough.

00:56:02She thinks I'm posting for her.

00:56:03I'm posting.

00:56:03I'm having a good time with my friend.

00:56:05At F1 in Vegas.

00:56:06Right.

00:56:06We're on all the.

00:56:07Don't fuck with me.

00:56:08Are you still friends with her?

00:56:10With who?

00:56:11Oh.

00:56:11No.

00:56:11Fuck no.

00:56:12Yeah.

00:56:13That's fucked up on their end.

00:56:14Yeah.

00:56:14That was like.

00:56:15And it was a guy and a girl.

00:56:16They had a threesome.

00:56:17And she fucked both of my friends.

00:56:19To get vindictive.

00:56:20Well no.

00:56:20That's not true.

00:56:21Oh it is what it is.

00:56:22I did it because I wanted to.

00:56:23It was just a bonus.

00:56:24That's a lie.

00:56:25You were all shit face drunk.

00:56:27You know that.

00:56:28Well yeah.

00:56:29And we all wanted to.

00:56:30And they tried to.

00:56:31You think I like.

00:56:32Just maneuvered it.

00:56:32I'm like.

00:56:33Hey.

00:56:34Did you hook up with.

00:56:35Those his friends.

00:56:36To get him mad at him.

00:56:37Or did you have a crush on them?

00:56:38Was that your rebound?

00:56:39No.

00:56:40She was just trying to be vindictive.

00:56:42That's all it was.

00:56:42No.

00:56:43I hooked up with them.

00:56:44Because I wanted to.

00:56:45And then it was just a bonus.

00:56:47That I thought crew would be mad about it.

00:56:49Yeah.

00:56:49That makes sense.

00:56:50It's not like I'm the one.

00:56:52There's three of us.

00:56:53It's not like I'm the only one in there.

00:56:55Yeah.

00:56:56Here's the thing.

00:56:57Here's the thing.

00:56:58She could have had a thing with anybody.

00:56:59That's fine.

00:56:59That's okay.

00:57:00Do your thing.

00:57:01But the fact that it was two of my friends.

00:57:02Let's me know she's very vindictive.

00:57:04And did love for Chris.

00:57:05When that happened.

00:57:06I was like.

00:57:07Fuck you.

00:57:08I'm done.

00:57:08Blocking you on everything.

00:57:09Like it's done.

00:57:11Before that.

00:57:12To answer your question.

00:57:13Yes.

00:57:13It could have been cordial.

00:57:14Yes.

00:57:15You were also.

00:57:15The way that you came after me.

00:57:17And you're like.

00:57:17You have no morals.

00:57:18You were literally sexting a girl.

00:57:19When you were trying to get back together with me.

00:57:21Sexting who?

00:57:23Dez.

00:57:24And you're in there.

00:57:24Oh.

00:57:25Do you want to go riding in our bedroom?

00:57:26In your bedroom?

00:57:28Who's Dez?

00:57:28On Halloween.

00:57:30No.

00:57:30You literally.

00:57:31I saw all the texts.

00:57:32You literally meet a girl on Halloween weekend.

00:57:34So the way that you're like.

00:57:35Oh my gosh.

00:57:35You're such a horrible person.

00:57:36For hooking up with someone.

00:57:37You literally met a girl.

00:57:38The night that my dog dies at a party.

00:57:40Follow her on Instagram.

00:57:41And then I've been.

00:57:42We're messaging her.

00:57:43While you're saying to me.

00:57:44This made me realize I want to date you.

00:57:46I want to get back together.

00:57:47I like.

00:57:47I want to be this great man.

00:57:49And then you're.

00:57:50No it's not.

00:57:51I literally saw the messages.

00:57:53Pull them up.

00:57:54I don't.

00:57:55But you pull them up.

00:57:56You pull them up.

00:57:57Why don't you pull them up?

00:57:58You're the one who was messaging her.

00:58:00Unfortunately.

00:58:00We're not going to be able to come.

00:58:02To any mutual understanding today.

00:58:04Which is fine.

00:58:05I think it might be better for both parties.

00:58:08But I hope that you guys are at least able to express your sides of the story.

00:58:11And it'll be up to the viewers to decide how they feel.

00:58:15And I mean everyone can obviously follow.

00:58:17Julie.

00:58:17Tony.

00:58:18Bryn.

00:58:19And crew on social media.

00:58:20As I'm sure they will continue to live their lives somewhat publicly.

00:58:24So.

00:58:25Thank you all so much for being here.

00:58:27I do want to.

00:58:28You know.

00:58:28Kind of go around quickly.

00:58:29If there's anything you want to say.

00:58:31To wrap things up.

00:58:32Or your biggest.

00:58:32No.

00:58:33Just about the experience.

00:58:34I don't have any other thoughts.

00:58:36About the experience.

00:58:36Your biggest takeaway.

00:58:37And.

00:58:38From.

00:58:39You know.

00:58:39The whole show.

00:58:40Secrets and Soulmates.

00:58:41I mean.

00:58:42I'm.

00:58:42I'm happy to be here.

00:58:44You're not a good time overall.

00:58:45I did.

00:58:45I'm happy to be here.

00:58:46I'm happy to be here.

00:58:47I'm happy to be here.

00:58:48I'm happy to be here.

00:58:49This past.

00:58:49What about Bryn.

00:58:50What is the biggest lesson you'll take away from this?

00:58:51Biggest lesson?

00:58:54Don't stand near bodies of water if you're around me.

00:58:57Oh shit.

00:58:59No.

00:59:00That is true.

00:59:01Crew.

00:59:01Is there anything else you want to leave us with before we go?

00:59:04I do.

00:59:05You know.

00:59:05Appreciate your vulnerability.

00:59:09She's the best cook I've ever had.

00:59:11I'll give her that.

00:59:12That's amazing for you.

00:59:13It's a little team.

00:59:13But just that alone, I was like, maybe I should just put the leaves aside.

00:59:18With that said, don't date a Latina.

00:59:20I wouldn't do it ever again.

00:59:22All right.

00:59:23See you.

00:59:24And Julie, thank you also for being vulnerable today.

00:59:28I know this was really hard for you.

00:59:29It really was real for me in a lot of ways.

00:59:32Like I think what happened is like, like it breaks my heart.

00:59:36I'm really like sad about it.

00:59:38And I'm really sad how everything ended.

00:59:41And I'm just sad.

00:59:46Yeah.

00:59:48Sorry about that.

00:59:49All right, everybody.

00:59:50This season gave us romance, drama, and some messy moments.

00:59:55Thank you to the real fans for tuning in.

00:59:57If you haven't seen it yet, go watch Secrets and Soulmates now streaming on Real Short.

01:00:02I'm your host, Zachary Reality, and I'll see you guys next time.

01:00:18The cameras may have cut, but the drama didn't.

01:00:21Let's take a look at what our sexy singles still had to say.

01:00:26Can I give you a hug?

01:00:28Can I hit you in the face?

01:00:31Sure.

01:00:32Go for it.

01:00:34You'll use it against me.

01:00:35I just said, do you want to talk?

01:00:36You said no.

01:00:37I said, go for it.

01:00:40I said, talk.

01:00:41Why'd you go fuck my two friends?

01:00:43Oh, because I wanted to.

01:00:44And then I thought that it was funny that you'd be mad over it.

01:00:47Yeah, it's just completely vindictive.

01:00:50You killed my dog.

01:00:51I didn't.

01:00:52You're the one that left.

01:00:53Had no air talk.

01:00:54Yeah, I blamed myself too.

01:00:55Told the neighbor to let the dog out.

01:00:56I already blamed myself too.

01:00:58I already blamed myself too.

01:00:59Because it was yours.

01:01:00But I blame you too.

01:01:01That's fine.

01:01:02Yeah, so I don't feel bad about.

01:01:05I'm sleeping with Chase and Shania.

01:01:06That's fine.

01:01:07It's just the character flaw though.

01:01:09Yeah, you have poor character.

01:01:11That's crazy you tried to plot that.

01:01:13You think I'm that much of a mastermind?

01:01:15I'm like Chase and Shania.

01:01:17You brag about it all the time.

01:01:19I didn't brag about it?

01:01:20Yes, you do.

01:01:21All the name of cinema.

01:01:22The whole pool thing.

01:01:23It's all you love.

01:01:24Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:01:25That part.

01:01:26But not about this.

01:01:27The voting.

01:01:28I'm not the one who said anything.

01:01:30You think I set that up?

01:01:32You think I was all like, I have this plan with Chase and Shania.

01:01:35No, I know you did it all perfect though.

01:01:36And they're going to like walk around.

01:01:37One thousand percent.

01:01:38I'm over it, if that makes sense.

01:01:40Like the whole three something.

01:01:42I get it.

01:01:42I was pissed.

01:01:44I know why you did it.

01:01:44I don't care how you feel about it.

01:01:46You still want to fight?

01:01:47You're not addicted to fighting?

01:01:49No, I'm not even fighting.

01:01:50It's like impossible with you.

01:01:52I'm just telling you.

01:01:53I'm telling you how I feel.

01:01:54I don't care if you're mad about it.

01:01:56I don't need you to respond to what I'm about to say next because you can say whatever you want.

01:02:00But I have no grudges against you.

01:02:03I know I sent text messages when that went down.

01:02:07And I said, fuck you and all this stuff.

01:02:08And I was hurt in the moment.

01:02:11And a lot's gone on.

01:02:13Life's too short.

01:02:13So I don't hold grudges or anything.

01:02:16It's not just about who I am, though.

01:02:17I hope you know that for who you are and how you showed up in my life.

01:02:21I'm well aware of who I am.

01:02:22I am confident in who I am, my character, how I live my life, everything.

01:02:27That's disappointing to hear.

01:02:28Because I asked myself, why didn't I show up on that day?

01:02:30And I think that was my answer, that I didn't love you enough to be there.

01:02:35I think we would have never worked it out after Camilla died.

01:02:38That's a lot.

01:02:39We already did.

01:02:40But I get that.

01:02:41If you want to say that, that's fine.

01:02:42We didn't, though.

01:02:44Then why are you back with me?

01:02:44I was crying to you saying, because I was confused, because I had feelings for you, because I cared about

01:02:49you.

01:02:50And was hurt.

01:02:51If it makes you feel better to try and save us.

01:02:52And act like we weren't in there, that's fine.

01:02:54If you want to die on that.

01:02:55I literally, I was saying the same thing to you.

01:02:58It would have worked if we had the same beliefs.

01:03:00I could have worked with the spicy Latina shit.

01:03:03Great cooking.

01:03:04I can't work with your lack of characters.

01:03:07Well, just real quick.

01:03:09I feel like someone should take this.

01:03:10Shut the fuck.

01:03:11Tony, it's not fucking funny.

01:03:12I'm serious.

01:03:13I'm serious.

01:03:14Fuck you for that.

01:03:14Fuck you guys.

01:03:15I feel like someone should take this.

01:03:17I'm done talking.

01:03:19We're done.

01:03:22I'm like, that's, it's sick.

01:03:24Because I'm like, you had so many other ways to be caring.

01:03:26Not only after that, I'm like, when he's like texting me.

01:03:29He's like, you worked up with my friends.

01:03:30That's not what he was saying.

01:03:31He was saying, you dirty, dirty whore.

01:03:33Like, you're disgusting.

01:03:34You're this.

01:03:35Like, I've seen his character.

01:03:36He's like, I don't have bad character.

01:03:37I don't have bad character.

01:03:38I'm like, your defense mechanisms are about so fucking high.

01:03:41You've twisted shit in your brain.

01:03:42And then you come here and say, I got you a book.

01:03:45Oh, she's just so angry.

01:03:46She's just this angry woman.

01:03:48She doesn't see.

01:03:49She's just so weird.

01:03:50She has a bad relationship.

01:03:51I do see.

01:03:52And I see how I'm manipulating her.

01:03:54But of course, it hurts my emotions.

01:03:55Because I'm like, this is someone I did care about.

01:03:57And he's like, why did you get back together?

01:03:59Because that's how manipulation works.

01:04:01That's how this whole game works.

01:04:02Like, I don't want to be, like, hurt.

01:04:04I don't want, like, I don't want you guys.

01:04:06Like, now I, like, see men.

01:04:07And I, like, see the control.

01:04:08And I'm like, you guys are so fucking abusive.

01:04:10You're so horrible.

01:04:11And you, like, lack love so much.

01:04:13He sat in there.

01:04:14He was like, you know, I was thinking about, like, why didn't I show up for you that day?

01:04:16He's like, I just didn't love you enough.

01:04:18And I'm like, that's probably the only honest thing you've said.

01:04:20Because I'm like, I believe that.

01:04:22Have you heard that?

01:04:23Like, that was the first time he said it.

01:04:25What did you think when you heard that?

01:04:26And beyond being like, that's true.

01:04:27I'm like, that's the first honest thing.

01:04:28But I'm like, that hurts.

01:04:29I'm like, because I'm like, you're right.

01:04:31I'm like, imagine me.

01:04:32I'm like, I'm like moving to Utah.

01:04:33I'm like, I didn't care about you.

01:04:35I'm ashamed, like, to say that.

01:04:36And I'm like, I did care about you, like, against my better judgment, against knowing,

01:04:41like, I've seen these, I've seen this story before.

01:04:44I still wanted it to, like, work with you, like, part of me.

01:04:47And I'm like, yeah, I agree.

01:04:49Like, when the dog stuff was happening and my friend was there, and she was looking for

01:04:53my crew, goes back to the party after an hour, gets a girl's Instagram, is, like, sexting

01:04:57her after.

01:04:57And my girlfriend was just like, yeah, he basically was like, there was nothing we

01:05:00can do.

01:05:01And I was like, this guy fucking hates me.

01:05:04I'm like, not only, I'm like, I just, I feel that way.

01:05:07I'm like, I'm not even looking for anything.

01:05:10I'm like, I just want to be, like, good.

01:05:11And I don't want, like, someone to come into my space again and, like, mess that up or hurt

01:05:16me or please leave me alone.

01:05:17I'm like, I don't want anything from you guys.

01:05:19I'm like, not looking for anything.

01:05:20I just, like, don't want you to come into my space for all of you.

01:05:23Do you want to say any final thoughts, feels like, definitely.

01:05:26I think I'm done.

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