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00:02...dur de popmuziek.
00:04Voortdurend sloeg hij nieuwe wegen in.
00:06Regelmatig moest hij weer op de been worden geholpen...
00:08...door met name David Bowie.
00:11Over het turbulent leven van dit fenomeen...
00:13...dat onlangs ook in Nederland weer volle zalen trok...
00:16...maakte Bram Vals Plunteren de nu volgende film.
00:19Last for Life.
00:36MUZIEK
01:22MUZIEK
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02:05MUZIEK
02:11MUZIEK
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02:17Where the little man does
02:19Where the little man does
02:23Yeah, I'm just a part of God
02:27Of course, I'll have a reason for
02:31I got lost for life
02:33I got lost for life
02:39Here we go
02:41I got lost for life
02:46I got lost for life
02:48I got lost for life
02:57I got lost for life
03:00I got lost for life
03:02I got lost for life
03:11I got lost for life
03:15I got to be about nine years old and found myself fascinated by the the
03:25industrial hum that was always around me even everything from my father's
03:31electric shaver which was all the time to the electric space heater in our
03:36metal trailer when I was about nine I was taken on a tour of the Ford Motor
03:43Company assembly main assembly plant at the River Rouge and there I saw my
03:49first machine press a machine press is a giant basically it's it's a metal a
03:56metal foundation and a giant piece of very heavy metal cut in a form and then
04:01you put what's about to become a fender in the middle and it crashes down and you
04:07pull out the formed metal and put another piece in I love that sound
04:40so
04:42so I began to play the drums around the house when I was 14 my parents loaned me
04:48the money to get my first drum set and I joined the musicians union put together
04:53a band in high school called the iguanas we played weekends for college
05:01fraternity dances high school sock hops and private parties for the next four
05:06years of my life 14 to 18 I had enrolled for college in the University of Michigan
05:11for one semester for September September semester of 1966 or no that was still 65
05:21yeah because I graduated school in 65 so I went back home to Ann Arbor the band
05:26broke up the rest of them went on to become bankers or divorcees or whatever
05:30people do and and I went I went to school to college which basically insisted of
05:38going to the student union in the morning drink a lot of coffee with sugar in it and
05:42sitting eating donuts and thinking God I don't really want to be here and do this
05:46this is a bunch of shit oh my god and I'd fall asleep miss the first class and
05:52then think if I've missed this class why not just miss the whole day at the same
05:57time I was playing in a band called the prime movers I did that for about six
06:02months until I I was I passed my 19th birthday in April and I thought I've
06:08gotten everything out of this town I can the band the prime movers was the
06:12number one band in town I had studied all my old blues records I'd studied all my
06:18English invasion records I knew I already knew my stones of Bob Dylan by heart so I
06:24decided I wanted to go to Chicago to investigate the blues
06:27and the blues
06:49the blues
07:10What impressed me about the Chicago blues at the time, and this is a very important
07:15turning point in my life, was the way when these men played the music, it almost dripped
07:21off their fingers like tree sap, like honey.
07:25It was just oozing out of these guys, and the way they moved was very loose, very like
07:31this, when they did the music, and it was not a studied thing.
07:35And I thought, my God, you know, I'm free white 19, I'm not 45, 50 years old, and I'm
07:43not a Chicago blues man.
07:45What I've got to do now is I've got to take what I've learned here, and I've got to apply
07:52it to my own experience.
07:54I'm going to go home to Detroit, and I'm going to find three or four guys who are not impressed
08:01with the music scene, who do not want to imitate British bands, who do not want to do cover
08:06songs, and we're going to make a music that will blow the roof off our town.
08:11Out of the protests over the Vietnam War, and the racial violence in 1967, Detroit saw
08:17the rise of a band called the Stooges.
08:19Their lead singer was known as Piggy.
08:28Missing guitar solo
08:32Hawai, Seriously
08:52I'll freak out for another day.
09:13This is one of our first rehearsal spots.
09:17This is the basement of my mother's place.
09:21At that time, I discovered the famous three-finger bar chord.
09:27So a lot of just, you know, a lot of songs came from that.
09:30Like, no fun with simply moving.
09:40I used to just like...
09:48That came from listening to all that Rabi Shankar and stuff, you know.
09:52So, yeah, simple and same with, like, I Want to Be Your Dog.
09:57It started out just being a jam.
10:04It's that magical three fingers.
10:06This one you didn't borrow, you could just find, you could just...
10:10Same thing, I Want to Be Your Dog, as the title came from...
10:14You see some girl that you really liked and...
10:17It puts the crudest but kind of polite thing.
10:19You could say, well, hey, baby, I want to be your dog.
10:21You know, that's like, all the titles came from, like, real-life slang.
10:26There was a lot of always hassle about turning those amps down.
10:29And to us, the volume was the spirit of the music.
10:34To play clean and quiet, you couldn't get into it.
10:38It wasn't like, and the songs were so simple.
10:40The power, the actual physical power of the amplifier,
10:44It's what brought the song to life.
11:31It was a large piano of the light.
11:33And the music was like,
11:43It was creative.
11:43Next thing is,
11:44the reason we're here is this is uh where we were discovered by danny fields we got done playing
11:50it's the same stage place was packed you know imagine uh late this was late 60s like 1968
11:58he was a pr for electa records and he hung out with the velvet underground and uh he was wearing
12:05you know shades the leather jacket so we get off stage and he goes uh how would you guys like
12:10to
12:10be uh stars oh yeah right sure throw this guy out and he was serious
12:18we used to get those big amps cranking and this room just rang it was like the sound just bounced
12:24you could hear from this just imagine marshall stacks at 10. it was so loud it was hypnotic
12:31and it would actually physically the sound would assault your body where you couldn't get away
12:37from it you'd feel the bass drum through the pa or the bass guitar pranked on ten you could feel
12:43it
12:43inside and that way you couldn't escape it no matter where you went a lot of times i would break
12:48a guitar
12:49either on purpose a lot of times i left with bloody hands or i would just bang the guitar so
12:54hard that
12:54my hand would be swollen not feeling any pain until we were done this is what we call just let
13:00one go
13:00every guy would do his own free form and walk off stage i remember so many times a beautiful harmony
13:06feedback if you actually hear go through the different tones just the whole room it's like you
13:13it's just you're swallowed up and we just leave the stage and the roadies would let the amps go
13:19for maybe five minutes come off and click it off and everyone would just be huh
14:05let's listen
14:06let's listen to some stooges song oh yeah do you want to give your opinion on that let's run
14:15yeah
14:19that's great
14:47how did
14:49how did this song come about it started it started as the first two chords like
14:58most Stooges songs we were we were stoned on our smoke and jamming and Ron came
15:03up with the two chords over and over which is just this one just those two
15:11back and forth and then I was I was the one who said I had been a I had been
15:17a
15:17written poetry in high school and songs in my early bands I was the one who said
15:21let's take this and do a little more with it make it into a song and I use
15:27Johnny Cash's I walk the line as a model for this if you you could actually hear
15:33it if you listen to I walk the line you gotta keep a close walk on this let's
15:37see wait wait a minute yeah I keep a close watch on this heart of mine boom I
15:44keep my eyes wide open all the time I'll keep the ends out for the eyes that
15:49bind because you're mine I'll walk the line so we used that structure in this
15:55song then the middle eight is a typical Stones middle eight because I did use a
15:59lot of from the Stones I took a lot from them yeah and the velvets a lot from the
16:05velvets which was like a the velvets at that time was an influential art band and
16:10affected affected me a lot and then the words were just again the words were an
16:17attempt what we didn't want to do is sing a song like oh baby I'm gonna keep on
16:23rocking and I'm gonna rock your pussy and I'm gonna rock your little ears and you
16:29know that was right out I wanted to make songs about how we were living in the
16:34Midwest what was this life about and basically there was just no fun and
16:39nothing to do you know I wrote about that
16:49listen that team sister and I don't care
16:54walk across the USA
16:58it's another year for me and you
17:03another year with nothing to do
17:08another year for me and you
17:10another year with nothing to do
17:23this is the house yeah this is house also where we um like most people that
17:28time of experimented with drugs and those experiments with the drugs how did that go
17:34was it was it very heavy well this was this was the first place that we all took
17:39acid we we I know Jim tripped almost every day for summer here and this right
17:45right down the street as a matter of fact was our local dope dealer where we
17:49would score our acid you know it was for me it was like a once a week thing but
17:52that's how we thought that you know we really got to know each other and
17:56formulated that real tightness that carried us through we were actually also
18:00um selling lids of marijuana out of this house and many times the police would
18:08come to the door but they'd be undercover agents you know with crew cuts white
18:12socks and brown shoes one as soon as you see him you know that it's the man so but
18:17I don't know luck was with us and we never got popped you get to know
18:22yourselves in here yes did you talk about what kind of music always amazing
18:26listening the whole experience in this house consisted of talking about music
18:31practicing but this is where we listen to a lot of music and got what for
18:36example well when we first lived here the Jimi Hendrix first album came out and
18:41our manager who became our manager went to the Monterey pop festival where
18:45Hendrix first played I remember was like 9 in the morning we never left our door we
18:50never locked our door he came buss in and going I've got this great music you
18:54won't believe so once that hooked us to Hendrix we listen to a day and night day and
19:01night
19:03ook voor de stooges eisten de experimenten met drugs hun tol binnen twee jaar viel de
19:08groep als loszand uit elkaar oorzaak heroïne it started off they would just
19:13snort a little bit then I got into shooting once they went through all the
19:17bands funds then equipment started missing I go to the practice room I'm
19:21going hey where's that electric piano and they started trading amplifiers and
19:26musical equipment for nothing what it was worth you know like for a spoon what was
19:31a spoon of heroin was going for twenty five dollars and people actually got up to
19:37having hundreds of dollars a day spent on you know keeping their drug habits
19:42going just things started missing the word got out so started getting late to
19:49jobs drugs really started to interfere with the actual performance of the band
19:54then people were so swept away by just you know physically sick if they don't
19:59have their whole life revolved around getting high and the band was completely
20:14the studio's self verdwenen maar hun musicale erfenis die bleef honderden
20:18punk bands crepen halverwege de jaren 70 terug naar de sound van de studio's en
20:23talloze gitaar-rock groepen van nu zeggen er door te zijn beïnvloed tijdens zijn
20:27concert in utrecht onderkende ik die zelf ook het belang van zijn werk uit die tijd
20:31een aanzienlijk deel van het repertoire stamde uit de roemruchte jaren van de
20:35studio's
21:11een aanzienlijk deel van de
21:36Where do you see that cow?
21:39Yeah, I do need you.
21:42Where do you see that cow?
21:46Yeah, I do need you.
21:49She got a TV eye on me.
21:53She got a TV eye.
21:56She got a TV eye on me.
22:27Whoa, whoa, whoa.
22:29Whoa, whoa, whoa.
22:30Whoa, whoa, whoa.
22:31Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
22:33Het rauwe straatgeluid van Iggy en de...
22:371977 bracht Iggy Pop de erkenning die lang was uitgebleven.
22:41Samen met David Bowie maakte hij de LP's The Idiot en Lust For Life.
22:45De songs daarvan groeiden uit tot manifesten van de punkbeweging.
22:49...
22:59Everybody, we want it.
23:02We want it.
23:05We want it.
23:06We want it.
23:15We want it.
23:16We want it.
23:19We want it.
23:20We want it.
23:23We want it.
23:24We want it.
23:26We want it.
23:29We want it.
23:31We want it.
23:33We want it.
23:34We want it.
23:34We want it.
23:35We want it.
23:35We want it.
23:35We want it.
23:40We want it.
23:40We want it.
23:41We want it.
23:42and i had never seen anybody in my life work as hard as that guy did i mean he was
23:49getting up
23:50he was getting up at eight in the morning to travel by car because he didn't fly to by car
23:56all day to gig in the car would always be a fresh collection of the newest tapes by artists from
24:03all over the world studying the stuff listening to it okay tom waits he knew about tom waits before
24:09anybody craft work he knew about craft work before anybody so not just oh i'm into this kind of music
24:14man and that's all i like he gets to the to the town does a couple of interviews catches a
24:20half
24:20hour sleep and he's on stage doing the show then after the show the guy won't stop he's out checking
24:27out whatever band is in town knocking on his guitarist door at four in the morning let's write
24:32a new song i was exhausted just watching it i had never been exposed up till then you got to
24:39remember
24:39i basically in many ways i had never been even exposed to proper touring and i watched what he
24:45was doing and i said i'm gonna do that too someday i said this guy's really learned knows what it
24:51is
24:51to work no wonder he's doing so well and i'm not iggy leerde veel van bowie my bowie zelf did
25:01also his advantage with the collaboration in 1983 score the bowie a world hit with a song that he
25:07is
25:10is
25:10is
25:11is
25:11is
25:11With my China girl
25:14I'm just a rep without
25:18My little China girl
25:21I hear the heart beating
25:25Loud as thunder
25:28Solar stars crashing
25:36I'm a mess without
25:40My China girl
25:44The American writer Anne Wehrer
25:47Vergezelde Iggy tijdens zijn tournee in 1981
25:49Om ervaringen op te doen
25:51Voor het schrijven van de Iggy-pop biografie
25:53I Need More
25:54Ze ondervond aan den lijven
25:56Hoe het er dan wel aan toe gaat
25:58One girl followed him
26:00Like from one town to the next town to the next town
26:02I'm sure this has happened lots and lots of times
26:04What do you break her heart?
26:05She's not getting in the door every night
26:07But they've come with notes
26:09They've come with love stories
26:10They've come with letters
26:11They've come with flowers
26:12They've come with the Jack Daniels he likes
26:15They've come with any drug you can imagine
26:17I mean we even had Elvis Presley's doctor at the door
26:19I mean come on
26:20You know
26:21One girl told me a Bruce Springsteen story
26:23Where she wanted to actually kill herself
26:25And then she decided better to kill him
26:27Because then he would be hers
26:30And I thought that is very very heavy
26:32About being a rock star
26:35And she wanted to kill her
27:04So it's very very gentle music
27:04I never got my license to live
27:09They won't give it up
27:11So I stand at the world's end
27:14I'm trying to break in
27:16Oh, I know it's not for me
27:19And the sight of it all
27:21Makes me sad and ill
27:24That's what I want
27:27Some weird sin
27:36Think you're too straight
27:38I can't bear it
27:41I feel stuck
27:42Stuck on a pin
27:45I'm trying to break in
27:47Oh, I know it's not for me
27:50And the sight of it all
27:52Makes me sad and ill
27:55That's what I want
27:58Some weird sin
28:00That's what I want
28:03Some weird sin
28:05Let's do a laugh
28:06Well, there's some dumb weird sin
28:10For a while anyway
28:12With my head on the left
28:15That's what you get out of here
28:19Some weird sin
28:41Things get too straight
28:42I can't bear it
28:46I feel stuck
28:47Stuck on a pin
28:50I'm trying to break in
28:52Oh, I know it's not for me
28:55And the sight of it all
28:56Makes me sad and ill
28:59That's what I want
29:02Some weird sin
29:04That's what I want
29:07Some weird sin
29:09Just to relax with
29:12There's some dumb weird sin
29:15For a while anyway
29:17With my head on the left
29:20That's what you get out of here
29:23Some weird sin
29:28Some weird sin
29:33Some weird sin
29:37Some weird sin
30:03The kid in me
30:05Is still very much
30:07Very much alive
30:09But he's kind of under
30:11My management now
30:13And
30:15When I get excited
30:16About a subject
30:18Or talking
30:19I'll talk like I'm talking to you
30:20My voice even goes up
30:22A couple octaves
30:23If I'm going to control myself
30:25Then I speak in a lower register
30:29Like this
30:30The face becomes more calm
30:33The eyes contract
30:35And suspicion sets in
30:38My mind is sizing up
30:41The people around me
30:43What I'm doing
30:44And how it may profit me
30:47But then we're back
30:48To the other
30:49You see what I mean?
30:50So you've got these two people
30:51And that's kind of
30:53How I keep it together
31:15I'm gonna beat all my friends
31:17Gonna have a silver ball
31:18Tell my friends
31:20Gonna tell them all
31:21That I'm a wild one
31:24Ooh yeah
31:25I'm a wild one
31:27I'm on a breaking loose
31:30Gonna keep on moving wild
31:31Keep on swimming
31:32Baby I'm a real wild child
31:53Well I'm gonna be a wild one
31:55And I like the wild fun
31:56In a world gone crazy
31:58Everything you see
31:59They say I'm a wild one
32:02Oh yeah
32:03Oh yeah
32:03I'm a wild one
32:06I'm a breaking loose
32:08Gonna keep on moving wild
32:09Keep on swimming
32:10Baby I'm a real wild child
32:12Woohoo
32:31Well I'm a wild one
32:34I'm a wild one
32:37I'm a wild one
32:40Oh, baby, I'm a wild one
32:44I'm gonna pray for these
32:46Keep us living wild
32:47Keep us living, baby
32:49I'm a real wild star
33:30I'm a real wild star
33:39You never had contact with Iggy since those days?
33:43Oh, gee, I can't even remember
33:44Probably the last time I saw him
33:46was when he played the second chance in Ann Arbor
33:49That must have been like four years ago
33:52You know, now that his parents have moved from Ann Arbor
33:54he has no real reason to come back
33:56Perhaps I'll see him when he comes back
33:58when he's a new album out
34:00I'm sure they'll tour
34:01If he calls me up and gives me backstage passes
34:04I'll go to his show
34:05But you still talk, you're not enemies or something?
34:08No, not really
34:08I'm always glad to see him
34:10We've been through so much together
34:12Even if there is some sort of bitterness
34:14When you see the guy
34:16you flood back all the good things
34:18He tends to forget the bad
34:21What's the bitterness then about?
34:23Well, for me
34:26The drug thing
34:27I really thought the students had a chance
34:29to be like the American Rolling Stones
34:31You know, and I really put a lot of time and energy
34:34And I never wanted it to, you know, go away
34:37And I know under certain circumstances
34:39It would stop something
34:40But that for me
34:41The chance not to continue on with something
34:44That I think would have been
34:45really still happening today
34:47How much better we would have gotten and grown
34:49I miss not seeing it reach its full potential
34:52But then again, maybe it did
34:59What I'm going to concentrate on now
35:01For about the next year
35:03Is going out and playing gigs
35:04Because I'd like to
35:06Oh, give me some coffee, will ya?
35:10Because I'd like to
35:12I'd like to nail that down
35:14And put myself up
35:15Where I feel my music should be
35:18Not, again, when I said
35:19As big as David
35:20I don't need to be that big
35:22I'd just like to be pretty big
35:26As big as I could get
35:30I'm just a modern guy
35:34Of course I had it
35:35In the ear before
35:37I got a love for life
35:43I got a love for life
35:44Now let's go, asshole, bitch
35:47I got a love for life
35:50Love for life
35:51Ooh, love for life
35:54Ooh, love for life
35:59Ooh, love for life
36:03Ooh, love for life
36:08Ooh, love for life
36:13Ooh, love for life
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