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00:01We've got a little bit of breaking news out of Texas as we continue to watch the Democratic
00:06U.S. Senate primary there. As you see, this is what we've got right now, 45 percent of the vote
00:11in. James Tallarico leading Jasmine Crockett right now, 53 to roughly 46 percent. But again,
00:18less than half the vote in. And one of the things we've been watching closely all night since we
00:22first sat down at this desk is the question of Dallas County. Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett
00:28represents a district in Dallas. And Dallas County has had problems with the administration of their
00:35election today. We've been explaining that over the course of the night. I'm going to go right now
00:39to Evan Smith, who's the host of Overheard with Evan Smith on Austin PBS. He's a veteran observer of
00:44Texas politics, got 30 years experience doing that. And Evan, I'd like you to explain to us again
00:49what had happened earlier today in Dallas County, why things have been chaotic there. And now this
00:56new reporting about a judge's order about the extension of voting there.
01:01Right. So as we talked about earlier, Rachel, the Republican party in Dallas County decided they
01:07did not want to have countywide elections. They wanted to make people go to their assigned polling
01:11place locally. And if the Republicans say you can't have countywide, then the Democrats can't have
01:15countywide. So Democratic voters showed up thinking they were going to be able to vote at the places
01:20around the county they had voted. And they were turned away. And there was a big push to try to
01:24extend voting in Dallas County as a result of that to give those people an opportunity to vote after
01:29all. A Dallas judge ordered the polls open until nine. Well, Attorney General Ken Paxton asked the
01:36Texas Supreme Court within the last couple of hours to overturn the Dallas judge's ruling. And according to
01:42reporting from my former colleague Eleanor Clivenoff of the Texas Tribune, the Texas Supreme Court has just
01:48temporarily blocked that judge's order to keep the polls open until nine, ordering the county to
01:54separate out the votes from people who were not in line at seven o'clock. This throws a monkey wrench
02:01into the vote count in Dallas County. Whether those votes are going to count or not, we have no idea
02:05what's
02:05going to happen. It's a temporary ruling. But goodness, this is a mess, Rachel. It was already a mess. It's
02:11more
02:11of a mess now. This is a pause of the vote extension in Dallas County. Are people being stopped from
02:22voting right now? What I know is that the county is being told you have to take the votes that
02:29were
02:29cast in the last two hours. It's coming up upon that nine o'clock hour central here in Texas right
02:33now. You have to take the votes that were cast by people who are not in line at seven o
02:37'clock, push them
02:38to the side. And the fate and the status of those votes is now unknown. And of course, if you're
02:44Jasmine Crockett, you're thinking this is terrible for you because this is the county where you're
02:49going to hopefully roar back into contention in this race. And this is a, as you said, it was a
02:54Dallas judge who ordered the extension of voting in Dallas County. And then it was U.S. Senate candidate
03:01and sitting Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, who asked for an individual state Supreme Court judge
03:09to weigh in and, and essentially overturn that, that other judge's ruling.
03:15Ask the Supreme Court of Texas if, if they would come in and temporarily block that Dallas judge's
03:21order. And the Supreme Court came back and said, yes, we temporarily block it.
03:24Is it, do we know, is it multiple judges on the Texas Supreme Court or is it one judge's ruling?
03:29I mean, I would have to, I don't know whether it was one judge or multiple, but my sense is
03:33that
03:33the court institutionally, as opposed to one assigned justice individually, but that's something
03:38we'll determine here in the course of the report.
03:41Yeah, this is crazy stuff. Um, uh, Evan Smith, uh, keep talking to your sources and, um, and do what
03:49you can to help us understand this. I think we'll be coming back to you. Um, I can tell you
03:53for,
03:54for all the lawyers, uh, who are listening to me right now, who are going to understand what I'm about
03:58to tell you. Uh, this is, uh, from the Supreme Court of Texas orders pronounced a stay is issued
04:04in the following petition for rid of mandamus in restate of Texas from Dallas County. The district
04:09court's order granting emergency petition to extend voting hours issued today in cause number,
04:13um, styled Cardell Coleman and his capacity as Dallas County democratic party chair versus Paul
04:20Adams and his official capacity as Dallas County elections administrator. And the 162nd district court,
04:25Dallas County, Texas is state meaning the earlier ruling that was in place that extended Dallas
04:32County voting voting that order is stayed. And then here's the money quote voting should occur
04:37only as permitted by Texas election code section 41 dash 032 votes cast by voters who were not in
04:44line to vote at 7 PM local time should be separated. Note the petition for rid of mandamus remains
04:52pending before this court. Hmm. Chris Hayes, what do you make of this?
04:57Well, I mean, at one level, it's pretty insane to have a candidate who's on the ballot being the litigant
05:04who gets to decide. I mean, he, you know, he's the state attorney general, but getting to weigh,
05:08to weigh in. I, you know, I don't know if there's a particular valence to those, uh, the, those votes
05:16at that hour for him. I think it's mostly about the democratic primary. It also feels a little bit
05:21to me, like if the calculation of the Republican establishment is that Crockett's an easier
05:25candidate to beat, that this goes against that, but like, he's just doing it for love of the game.
05:29You know what I mean? Like he's just super committed to making it hard for people to vote
05:33as just a deeply held view. And you know what I mean? Like making it hard to vote in Dallas.
05:39Yes. So in a big purple slash red state, you take the cities that are very blue and you say
05:45those
05:46places have terrible voting. Look what a mess. And so there's not like 3d chess here. It just seems
05:50like I don't like the fact that they extended voting hours because there's confusion. I want them
05:54to take that back. But Chris, the three-dimensional chess is tonight. Isn't that important? It's November.
05:59So as soon as they're starting to cause chaos and mistrust now, things are messy. Things are
06:04messy. When they're disastrous in November, it's like, well, we saw this coming. Yeah, no. And that's
06:10an important thing to keep in mind, right? I mean, also this idea that you're going to segregate out
06:13these ballots based on who's online at seven o'clock. And I generally just wanted to take a
06:18step back because we can get in the weeds here. There is no reason to think that anyone, that there's
06:24any illegitimate or fake votes in the entire pool. There's no reason to think any of that.
06:28No voter did anything wrong. No one did anything wrong. There was confusion. So like,
06:32the, you should always default to what will allow the most amount of actual legitimate voters to
06:39cast votes in an election. Again, whoever it is, whether that would benefit a Republican candidate
06:43or a Democratic candidate or the candidate you want or the candidate you don't, like just as a general
06:48principle. And one of the things that's crazy about the world we live in, it is increasingly going
06:52to be the case that there are going to be places in which lower voter turnout would probably help
06:57Democrats and Republicans. And it's still the case that as a matter of principle,
07:01you should intervene on behalf of the maximal amount of voters being able to vote.
07:05But doesn't this even hurt voter turnout and the fact that if these people are standing in line
07:09waiting to vote, at some point, a lot of them just say, forget about it. I got to go home.
07:14I got to feed my kids dinner. I got to feed the cat. At some point, people are like, it's
07:18not worth it.
07:19They do. But I would bet that's a smaller percentage of the people standing in line,
07:26number one. Number two, again, Republicans using the boniest part of their head right now
07:33in looking at this are not understanding what they're doing. They're setting up Texas to flip
07:40in November because they are systematically pissing off the voters there at the end of the day.
07:46There are, as we've already indicated tonight, there are voters who are moving out of the
07:51Republican column to vote in the Democratic primary because they do not like what the
07:55Republicans are doing. There are more Republicans who are voting tonight in the Republican column
08:00who are looking at this just saying, well, why are you doing? First off, what does this have to do
08:04with the Republican primary? How does this impact Ken Paxton, right? There is no impact on Ken Paxton.
08:10To your point, Chris, this is a maximum impact that they can bring to bear on what they want to
08:17label
08:18as corruption. To your point, it sets up the argument and the narrative that they want to put
08:23in place this November across the country. Yes. When that confusion sets in, when voters are bemused and
08:28don't know and they show up at the wrong polling place, see, we told you there was corruption, shut it
08:33down. Well, and the narrative, let's be specific about it, right? The narrative from Trump and the
08:38Republicans, from Trump in particular, from the Trump movement, is you can't trust votes that
08:43come from Democratic strongholds. Yes. So you can't trust votes from cities. You can't trust votes
08:49from places that have lots of people of color. So they're trying to make, I mean, it makes sense to
08:55fit the political narrative, to try to make the Dallas votes, and I'm sure they hope the Houston
08:59votes or any votes, any other votes that fit that narrative, seem as unknowable as possible,
09:05so as to create a pretext for being able to exclude them from the totals from that state.
09:10And if we go upstream causally, the whole reason we're here, right, is because the Dallas
09:13county DOP refused to co-sign a memorandum of understanding to allow countywide voting,
09:18they had a demand for paper ballots, which again, like, has nothing to do with anything. There's no
09:23reason to think that they're better, right? That's a Donald Trump obsession. That's an election
09:26denier obsession. Like, the whole causal chain that created the confusion that led to the necessity of
09:32opening the election earlier was the local Republican county party doing this.
09:39And to that point, because it's really important to make that logistical point about what went wrong
09:43here. So now we've got this order from the Supreme Court of Texas that says, what's the remedy here?
09:47Well, we've paused the extension of the voting hours and votes cast by voters who were not in line to
09:53vote at 7 p.m. local time should be separated. But is that feasible to do at one big county
10:01voting
10:01location in Dallas county? Probably not. Is it feasible to do at every individual precinct voting
10:08location in Dallas county? Because there is no central Dallas county voting location? Absolutely
10:13not. You're talking about all of those locations all needing to do this arcane, if not impossible.
10:19And what's important about what you just said is that I can assure you, I can assure you that election
10:24officials were not standing outside. Once they got the clearance to keep the polls open, right,
10:30they knew where, like, Jacob was there at that appointed hour. He was with the last person who was
10:36identified in the line at the appointed hour. They didn't do that at the original polling time because
10:42they got the clearance to extend it. You don't know who's online.
10:46They didn't mark them with a chalk line. Thank you. That's why this order is so boneheaded.
10:52But their goal isn't that which is knowable. Their goal is an endless morass of litigation.
10:57So that goal isn't to actually know who the person was that was the last person online at 6.59.
11:04You know, want to know what I want to know? I want to know what the Jasmine Crockett campaign
11:07thinks of what has just happened in Dallas county. Our colleague Eugene Daniels has just spoken
11:12to the Jasmine Crockett campaign. Uh, Eugene, what are they telling you?
11:17Yeah, I've talked to a couple officials in there and there's, as you can imagine,
11:21an intense frustration with what just happened. They felt like they were finally going to get some
11:25answers out of Dallas county. Um, they're trying, they're talking to the lawyers and figuring out
11:29how to fight back was the language that both of those folks used when we spoke. Um, what fight back
11:35looks like, we're not sure. I also talked to the Tallarico campaign, multiple folks over there,
11:40and they are supportive of whatever ends up of a voters voting, right? They are not the one
11:47person said to me, uh, it's late night. So I feel like this is okay. Paxton sucks. That's bad. All
11:52voters should be able to vote. And I think we are going to hear from a lot of the Democrats
11:56in Texas,
11:57but you're going to hear from Tallarico and Jasmine Crockett is that this is the shenanigans that they
12:02have been saying could happen in Texas. They didn't think it was going to happen so early. They thought it
12:08would happen as they got closer to November. But these are the warnings that they've been given.
12:12And on the first night of this big primary season that we're going to have, it's also, uh, possible
12:18telltale signs for the shenanigans that might happen in other states and other, um, elections as we move
12:23forward. Uh, Eugene, you said we're going to hear from, um, Tallarico and hear from Crockett on this
12:29matter. Do you expect that we actually might see the candidates behind microphones and in front of
12:33cameras on this matter anytime soon? I think that's probably more likely with Jasmine Crockett.
12:40I think Tallarico might kind of let it play out the team. Um, someone told me the team is still
12:44trying to figure out what the best way to operate. And this is they haven't done this kind of and
12:49dealt
12:49with this kind of thing before. I think it's more likely Jasmine Crockett gets out front because this
12:54will impact her. We've been saying all night that Dallas is where her biggest numbers are going to
12:58come from. If she's going to win, she's going to have to over, over perform in Dallas. Um, and so
13:04it
13:04is incumbent upon her and her team to get out in front and say what we know her team is
13:09saying to me
13:09right now on background. Yeah. And again, let's just bottom line this here, uh, that this is the, the
13:15chaos that was created in Dallas County was created because the Dallas County Republican Party, uh, refused
13:21to do what they have done in previous election years and what almost every other county in the state has
13:26done,
13:26which is allow for everybody voting in that county to vote anywhere in that county, which makes for
13:33very simple election administration compared to what they've ended up with in Dallas County,
13:38which is that people need to vote in their individual precincts, things that something
13:41that hadn't been done in previous elections in that county and that people didn't know to expect.
13:45It created a lot of confusion and that is what brought about that judicial order that extended
13:51voting in Dallas. Um, again, that extension has been paused after a request to the Texas Supreme
13:57Court from Texas attorney general, Ken Paxton. Um, this is still ongoing, um, at this point.
14:03Um, Ali, can we go to you right now, just in terms of talking about the stakes right now,
14:07what we're seeing in terms of the statewide race in Texas?
14:10Uh, Nicole talked about endless morass of litigation. That could be Ken Paxton's tagline,
14:14right? That's actually what he does. Uh, in Texas, we got 48% of the vote. Uh, the, the,
14:19the gap is staying about the same. Uh, Tallarico has 53% to Jasmine Crockett's 45%. And again,
14:25we're waiting to see what happens in the Jasmine Crockett stronghold of, of Dallas. We, by the way,
14:30just have results in the first results from El Paso. Uh, 59% of the vote is in, uh, and
14:36Tallarico is
14:37winning that 62 to 35 for, uh, for Jasmine Crockett. Uh, the, the lead in Houston and Harris County
14:44is shrinking for Harris. It's 53 and a half to 45, but take a look at this. I want to
14:48just break
14:48out. See, there's nothing here in election day vote. This is all early vote. It's 96% early and
14:54in person. I'm now going through the state and I'm looking at places like that. Bexar County,
14:58uh, which is San Antonio. Take a look at that. Same thing. 95%. There's no early vote coming in,
15:03in a lot of these places, not just Dallas. Obviously we know Williamson County doesn't
15:07have that. We don't have, I'm sorry. We don't have election day vote in a lot of these places.
15:11So this is a really big deal. What's just happened in Dallas County because an overwhelming number
15:17that we're, if we're looking at the whole state at 48%, the rest is, is today vote. And we,
15:22we're not counting that in a lot of places, including some of these highly populated areas like Dallas.
15:27So this is the problem we have. I want to show you one other thing, by the way,
15:30I want to go to the house primary, uh, just outside of Houston. I want to show you an
15:35interesting story, uh, is right here. Texas to 58% of the vote in Dan Crenshaw is, is, uh,
15:43Steve to Toth is the, is at 57%. Dan Crenshaw, the incumbent is only at 39%. Again, it's 58%
15:50of the
15:50vote. It, we're not able to call this, but this is interesting to your point, Rachel, that you made
15:54earlier that tonight is proving to be a difficult night for a lot of incumbents.
15:58Yeah. And it may be for yet more of them as we start to get more results in across Texas
16:03and
16:04throughout every place that's facing primaries tonight. Um, let me just ask the control room
16:07right now. Do we have Jacob Soboroff available to us right now? All right, let's just go to Jacob
16:11right now. He's actually right now at James Tallarico's election watch party. Um, Jacob,
16:17what are you hearing from the campaign? What are you hearing from people who've turned out there
16:19to support Tallarico as the results come in? Rachel, they are feeling very, very good here at
16:26Tallarico headquarters. And I predict in about 30 seconds, you're going to hear a massive cheer
16:29because they are watching us and it's on a slight delay. Um, but they have been glued to every
16:34minute of every update that is coming in. They were watching Ali Belshi's reports, uh, just in the
16:38last couple of minutes. What I will say is though, the issues around what's happening in Dallas County,
16:43and I have asked the campaign for a comment about what they are going to do and when they are
16:47going
16:47to do it. We haven't heard yet if the Tallarico campaign is going to respond, but I will also say
16:54we have been watching very closely, uh, the results coming here out of Travis County as well,
16:59here in the Austin area. And as we've watched Ali do the reporting over the course of the last
17:03several hours, having questions about why the early vote numbers are coming as quickly
17:09as we might have anticipated. And when I met Doug Greco on the line at UT Austin earlier this evening,
17:15the chairman of the, uh, Travis County Democratic Party, we didn't talk about this. I didn't know
17:20about that the results were going to be delayed, but here's what he told me. I checked in about these,
17:24uh, results being delayed. He said, yes, they are delayed. The absentee results,
17:28the early voting results, excuse me, are delayed coming out of Travis County because the Republican
17:32Party here asked for that in the primary election contract. It isn't new, but it's the reason why
17:37the votes are delayed. The trade-off is that they were able to negotiate county-wide vote centers like
17:44we have been talking about all night. And that's why what's happening here is not what's happening in
17:48Dallas or Williamson County, um, where you can only vote in the precincts. But the results are trickling
17:53in here slower than they normally would because of an agreement, uh, between the
17:57Democratic and Republican parties. I will say, though, that everyone here at the Tallarico
18:02headquarters is feeling very optimistic, um, this evening. We expected him to speak or expected him
18:07to speak not long after the Dallas County results were in. That has now been thrown into question
18:13because of the status of the vote count and the Texas Supreme Court's decision. But all in all,
18:18Rachel, I can tell you that this is an enthusiastic crowd, a very eager crowd to see what's going to
18:22happen. Uh, and they are watching us on MSNOW here at Tallarico headquarters, Rachel.
18:27Rachel.
18:27Jacob, I, I'm, I'm a little bit worried that you're going to, you're going to be mobbed in
18:31just a moment. All that's going to be left is a little tuft of hair in your glasses,
18:35um, from the way that that room sounds right now. I will tell you, I'll give you a reporting
18:39assignment right now. If you can get us any further reaction from the Tallarico campaign in terms of
18:45this dramatic move from the Supreme Court of Texas, pausing the extension on the voting in Dallas
18:50County. Uh, we do have some reaction from the, the, the Jasmine Crockett campaign that we got
18:56through our friend Eugene Daniels. If you can get anything from the Tallarico side in terms of
18:59their reaction to what happened with the Texas Supreme Court, uh, we're all ears. We'd just love
19:03to hear it. So good luck, my friend. Thank you.
19:06Uh, Rachel, forgive me, but I am just checking my phone to see if the campaign's responded to my latest.
19:11Not yet. So, uh, as soon as, uh, as soon as I'm, uh, able to go try to sneak my
19:16way backstage,
19:17let me just give you a little look at what we're looking at here. Rachel, this is, uh, this is
19:20what they're
19:20looking at. Just so you know, I'm going to try to sneak back here, see if I can find him,
19:23see if I can find someone from the campaign to let us know their reaction to what's happening
19:27out of Dallas County. We'll be back to you in a little bit.
19:29All right, Jacob. Jacob, thank you very much. Go ahead.
19:32Well, we talked earlier in the night about how whatever happens on the Republican side,
19:37because there are three, it's likely to not be known tonight and to go to a runoff.
19:41You know who benefits if the Democratic side is sort of tied up in litigation uncertainty?
19:47Whomever is interested in that person not having the night or the head start.
19:52I also think that if you're Ken Paxton, I'm just going to go to the dark place here. And the
19:57Republicans, what you want is for somebody to win the Democratic primary and for them to continue to
20:03be divided. It was quite a contentious primary. These are two stars, but it has been a contentious
20:08primary. And if James Tallarico wins, he needs to pull in Jasmine Crockett supporters, a large
20:13base of African-American voters in Texas. The Republicans would love nothing more.
20:19In Dallas County, specifically.
20:19And in Dallas County, the Republicans would love nothing more than for a conspiracy to float out
20:24there that things were stolen from her, that the vote didn't come across. That's not what has
20:29happened here. But I think that there's a darkness here that could be part of their theory.
20:36I was just going to say, if the Democrats were really thinking strategically right now and
20:40thinking about small-D Democrats as well as capital-D Democrats, Tallarico and Crockett
20:44would respond together to what's happening in Dallas.
20:47Easier said than done.
20:47And both go out and speak. They would both go out. Tallarico would go out and speak.
20:51And they both would. And do it in a coordinated way.
20:54They would act together. They would act with the state Democratic Party chairman.
20:58And they would make a unified front on this issue.
21:02But in defense of both of these candidates, that's really hard to do.
21:05Both of them put it on the line, ran a really hard race to say,
21:09I need to put party before self. I need to focus on it. That's hard to do. Because Ken Paxton,
21:16to the dark point, this is a test run. This is a test run for how can he get voter
21:21suppression
21:22operations working? Like, Democrats tomorrow in Texas better get ready for voter suppression
21:28hijinks from now until November. Not just in Texas.
21:30They're just getting warmed up. Yeah. Michael, I cut you off there a moment.
21:33No, no, no. I'm just going to say to the point, to the staying in the dark place for a
21:37moment.
21:38Sorry. But it's a good place to be in this context. Because I think the important narrative
21:43for the Democrats is not to get lost in the weeds of lawsuits and conspiracy theories,
21:48but to say, tonight was stolen from us by the Republicans. Because the Republican attorney
21:54general running in this race asked a judge to intervene and take away your vote. Yeah.
22:03That wasn't Jasmine. That wasn't Tallarico. That was Paxton. And I think the narrative is there
22:10to both of your points, to make it a little bit easier for them to come together, right? Which you're
22:15right. Candidates, when they've been in a fight, don't want to do that. But the more important
22:19battle is the small D point that you made, Rachel, that they need to focus on. Because tonight,
22:23the vote of a lot of voters is being stolen for them after 7 p.m. Well, let's go to
22:28Dallas right
22:29now. Let's bring in our own Rosa Flores, who is at a polling location in Dallas, Texas. Rosa,
22:35I said we would be, we'd be back with you. I didn't know it would be in exactly these circumstances,
22:39or as we're watching so much legal drama unfolding. What's your understanding of what's,
22:43what's happening and the response in Dallas County thus far?
22:47Well, Rachel, I just got off the phone with Dallas County. And what they explained to me was that
22:53what this means is because the Texas Supreme Court struck down the lower court.
22:58Rosa, I have to interrupt you. I'm sorry. I'm very sorry. I just, we're going to come back to you
23:02to
23:03that point. Jasmine Crockett has just taken the stage. Let's go live to that.
23:06If it comes in and I'm losing Dallas County, then we know kind of where this thing is going.
23:13So, so that's my news, is that we're not going to have election results tonight, in my opinion,
23:20based upon what specifically is taking place in Dallas County.
23:28Unfortunately, this is what Republicans like to do.
23:33And so they specifically targeted Dallas County. And I think we all know why. So,
23:41um, I want you to enjoy yourselves, but I won't be back tonight because I have no idea of when
23:50we're going to get results. And I fully anticipate it won't be until tomorrow. So I love y'all too.
24:00Thank you so very much for being here.
24:05Love you down. I love you down Dallas.
24:13Jasmine Crockett speaking live in Dallas right now. We got to that as soon as we realized she
24:17was up at the podium there, but you heard the nut of what she said. She said, they are not
24:21expecting
24:21to have results tonight. She said, this is what Republicans like to do. They specifically
24:28targeted Dallas County. She asked her supporters to stay and enjoy themselves, but she did not expect
24:33that there would be election results of any definitive sort tonight, specifically because
24:38of what's happening in Dallas. Meanwhile, we're going to go back to Rosa Flores, who is in Dallas County
24:42right after, uh, right after this from Ali Velshi, because while Jasmine Crockett was saying that we
24:48actually did get in a bunch of votes. Well, a lot of votes. We're now up to 59% in
24:52the state and the
24:53lead, Tallarico's lead has narrowed. It's now 51.8 to 46.9. And a lot of that is because we
24:59finally
24:59have got some votes in from Dallas. And a lot of them, that, that vote just dumped 61%. We went
25:04from zero
25:05all night to 61%. Jasmine Crockett has got a lead there. It's 60 to 38. It's significant. Uh,
25:12but this is, uh, this is, uh, early vote. This is, this is not day of vote. Obviously the big
25:17issue
25:17right now is what that day of vote is going to be. So we're sort of stuck in a lot
25:21of places
25:22at the 60 ish point. There's some smaller counties that were easy to count and, and the numbers are much
25:27higher, but generally speaking in major centers, we're in this area. Look at Travis County, uh, which is
25:32Austin. This is 60%. This is Tallarico's home. He's at 76 to, uh, Jasmine Crockett's 23. Let's go to
25:39Houston where Jasmine Crockett was expected to do very well with two thirds of the vote in. She's,
25:44her lead is narrowing 53 and a half to 45 for, uh, Tallarico in Fort Bend to three quarters of
25:51the
25:51vote. 77% of the vote is in 60 to 36. So again, this really is anybody's game right now.
25:56This is a
25:57jump ball. It is unclear what's going on. Uh, clearly Jasmine Crockett believes this will not
26:02conclude tonight as she just said. And, and we may be believing the same thing. I want to just
26:07quickly jump over to the Senate, uh, contest there, the GOP Senate contest. Uh, again, 43% is where John
26:13Cornyn, the incumbent is at. Ken Paxton is trailing with 40%. He's behind a lot of what just happened
26:18in Dallas County for reasons that are not clear. Uh, Wesley Hunt is staying at 13%. He's been at 13
26:23%
26:24all night. I just want to go to Dallas County and show you this. This is the Republican
26:28Senate contest in Dallas County. Look how far behind involved in these shenanigans in Dallas
26:33County. His vote and Wesley Hunt's vote do not add up to John Cornyn's vote in Dallas County.
26:39I don't know whether that's relevant to what doubt, why Ken Paxton went to court tonight to shut down the,
26:44the, the, the votes of those who were in line after 7 PM, but it is a place where Ken
26:49Paxton
26:50is not doing well. All right. I want to go right back to Dallas County right now. Rosa Flores standing
26:55by,
26:55uh, Rosa, I very, very rudely interrupted you while you were starting to tell us about your
27:00communications with Dallas County. I'm very, I only did that because we had that live feed,
27:05uh, to take from Jasmine Crockett. Please start over again. Tell us what your communications with
27:09the county, uh, what happened in those communications tonight? Yeah. So what, how they explained it to me
27:16is because the Texas Supreme Court struck down the lower court ruling, which extended voting for the
27:22Democratic primary from 7 PM to 9 PM central time, all those ballots that were cast, Rachel, between
27:297 PM and 9 PM, those will be quote, separated and kept. Now, the big question is, will they be
27:38counted? And I
27:38can tell you from talking to voters who had gone to multiple polling places, trying to find the right polling
27:44place. One woman who was in tears earlier today and a woman that I literally interviewed moments before
27:51the polls closed because this Texas Supreme Court ruling came down, they were all worried about their
27:58vote counting. And they were all talking about how this was quote, voter suppression because they were
28:04really trying to vote and they just couldn't vote. Like I said before, I'm a data girl, Rachel. And just
28:10to
28:10give you a sense, as I mentioned earlier, here at about 5 30 PM central time, 388 people had voted
28:17at
28:17this polling place. And according to the election judge, again, of the Democratic Party, about 350 had been
28:24turned away. That just gives you a sense of how many people were out in Dallas County trying to figure
28:31out
28:31where to vote and trying to vote. Rachel? That's just remarkable. That's a remarkable, um, sort of snapshot of what
28:39was
28:39happening there, Rosa. But just to be clear, what the county told you is that votes cast after a specific
28:46time are going to be kept. But they didn't necessarily say they're going to be counted or it's not clear
28:51at this point whether they will be counted. They'll just be somehow preserved and segregated from the
28:56vote that came in earlier today. You're absolutely right. And I followed up with that, Rachel,
29:03because I was very curious about what that meant. Does that mean that they keep them just for now?
29:10And the individual from the spokesperson from the county didn't go into specifics because,
29:15of course, that's a lot of legalese. And she was like, I can't speak for the Democratic Party because
29:19this is a challenge that the Democratic Party is is putting forth. But she did say that they will be
29:25kept. But from talking to all of the voters today, I can tell you that what they were worried about
29:31was their vote counting, especially because they had gone through, in essence, through all these
29:37hoops to try to vote, trying to figure out, OK, wait, where do I vote? The even the website crash,
29:43Rachel. So people who were trying to figure out where can I vote, they couldn't even find out where
29:48to vote because the website crashed. So there were just so many hurdles that these voters had to go
29:55through just to cast their ballot today. Rosa Flores for us in Dallas County, Texas. Rosa,
30:01I know we will be back with you. Keep reporting whatever we can learn about how this is going to
30:05be worked out, what's going to be the dispensation of those ballots, how voters can, if they can,
30:10be reassured about how this has been administered in Dallas County. It's all really, really important.
30:14Thank you. We're grateful for you being there. The last polls of the night have closed. North Carolina,
30:20Arkansas, Texas. We are watching this sort of remarkable litigation play out in Texas in terms
30:28of votes counting and being cast. We as yet may get full developments tonight in either side of the
30:35Texas Senate race, either on the Republican side or on the Democratic side. It's just,
30:40it's all happening all at once. We'll be right back. Stay with us.
30:47Just coming up on 1030 Eastern time, as we are covering the first big primary night of the 2026
30:54midterm elections. Now, at this hour, at this moment, there are only two precincts in one county
31:01in Texas where vote officially is still coming in, where polls are still open. It's two precincts in
31:07Williamson County, which is just north of Austin, Texas. There has been litigation tonight, a ruling
31:15from an order, excuse me, a ruling from a judge in Dallas County, ordering that in Dallas County,
31:21the vote had to stay open for longer because there had been mass confusion after the Republicans
31:27from Dallas County refused to allow, to come to an agreement to allow people to vote countywide in
31:35Dallas County. People were showing up, expecting to be able to vote in Dallas County and being told
31:40they needed to go to a specific precinct location they'd never had to go before. Because of that
31:44confusion, there was a judge's order to extend voting in Dallas County. Dallas County is huge,
31:51second largest county in the state. The attorney general of the state of Texas, Republican Ken Paxton,
31:57who is a candidate for the U.S. Senate primary on the Republican side tonight,
32:02he then went to the Texas Supreme Court and secured an order from the Texas Supreme Court
32:08to stop that extension of the voting in Dallas County, which in logistical terms is a chaotic
32:17sort of thing to order because people were voting, their votes were cast. In Dallas County,
32:23they were essentially to segregate those votes, to separate those votes and set them aside. This is a
32:29temporary matter. The overall writ, the overall question is still before the Texas Supreme Court.
32:33As far as we know, right now at this hour, Dallas is, among other things, an important stronghold for
32:40Texas Democratic Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett, who was in a hot, hot battle with James Tallarico,
32:47a state representative in Texas, for the Democratic U.S. Senate primary there. That is where we stand
32:53right now. But let me give you one other little wrinkle here. And this is something that Ali Velshi
32:59has been noticing. We just got a little bit of specific reporting on it from Jacob Sobroff as to how
33:03this is playing out in Austin, specifically in Travis County. But we're noticing that there's one big
33:09category of vote that really just doesn't seem to be factoring into the vote totals we are getting out of
33:15Texas,
33:16almost across the board. Ali, can you explain that to us?
33:19Almost across the board. OK, so this is the total vote in right now is 60 percent.
33:23Tallarico is at 51.8 and Jasmine Crockett's at 46.94. Here's the thing. I can touch this and tell
33:31you where this vote comes from. Of that vote, more than 50 percent in each case is from early in
33:37-person
33:38voting. About two percent is early by mail voting. Two percent is election day. So we've got no election
33:45day count in most of these places. I'm going to go all across the state and show you
33:48no election day votes in El Paso. San Antonio, Bayer County, no election day votes. Austin,
33:54we haven't even broken it out. Corpus Christi, I've gone all through the state. This is the only
33:58place I can find with any significant election day vote. It's 18 percent of the vote with 71 percent
34:03counted. So we just don't have election day votes anywhere. And to your point about Dallas County,
34:07this business about sequestering votes, this isn't sequestering military ballots or mail-in ballots,
34:12things that you can actually sequester because they're in a different bucket or a different bag.
34:15Someone just decided, a judge decided, that anybody who wasn't in line at seven o'clock
34:20doesn't get to vote. But they didn't make any line. They didn't sequester those votes. So this
34:24has thrown the whole thing into disarray. But across the state, we are just not seeing early vote,
34:30day of vote anywhere. So when we're looking statewide at the fact that we've got 60 percent of the vote
34:35in,
34:36we're talking about 30,000. There are fewer than 30,000 election day votes having been counted so
34:42far and reported in Texas. So this 40 percent that we're missing in most case is today's vote.
34:47So when you look at when you say the Associated Press is saying this is too early to call,
34:51they mean it. It's really too early to call. There's a there's a good spread between Tallarico
34:56and Crockett. But we're missing 40 percent of the vote right now. And we're hoping that this all comes in
35:01fairly quickly. We are still waiting on more stuff from Dallas. We're waiting from Williamson County,
35:06which has reported zero votes at the moment. Two precincts have are staying open till 11 p.m.
35:12Eastern there. So we won't get that for a while. That's north of Austin. We're expecting Tallarico
35:16to do well there. And El Paso County. We have now got to 60 percent, 59 percent of the vote
35:21in. And
35:22Tallarico is winning that 62 to 35. But a lot of vote missing in Texas right now. OK, Ali,
35:29thank you for breaking that down for us. Simone Sanders Townsend, you have been all over this
35:33in terms of anticipating some of these problems in these specific counties. What do you understand
35:40about the way this has played out over the course of the night and the reaction to what's happened
35:45with the Texas courts? So I talked to a number of people on the ground from the Texas Democratic
35:50Party because, again, the parties are the administers of the elections in a primary. This does not apply for
35:56the general. So in the general, the state is in charge of the election. So if people think,
36:00are we going to have this particular issue come November? No, could be a different issue,
36:04but not this one. Lawrence and I were chatting in the green room and he said,
36:08does this also affect the Republicans? I thought it was a very good question.
36:11I asked the chair of the Texas Democratic Party and the chair said it is their understanding that the
36:17judge's order is specific to the Democratic primary because, again, they didn't do a joint primary.
36:22So it is only the Democratic votes in Dallas County. The particular law that is being cited,
36:29Texas Democrats are large. If we look at the lawsuit, the lawsuit that was filed was filed by
36:34the Dallas County Democrats, not the Texas Democratic Party. I say that because there are people,
36:40there are factions within the Texas Democratic Party that say, ah, Texas law is very, very strict,
36:45and it's very strict about when people can vote. Texas law, a law from 1985, says that the voting in
36:52Texas is from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. There's only been one time in our recent history since
36:57that law has,
36:57it's 40 years, laws older than me. It's only been one time in our history in May of 2024 that
37:04an
37:04extension has been given. And that was very specific. In Dallas County, a judge said there was a disaster
37:11because power was out in polling places in May of 2024. And because the power was out in about 100
37:17polling places, they needed to extend the voting in those polling places. And that voting was extended
37:22for that very particular reason. But tonight, what we are seeing, to the conversation you all were
37:26having earlier, is the first time that this 1985 law has been challenged directly in this way. And yes,
37:34it is the Ken Paxton, who is a candidate on the ballot. Again, this doesn't affect them. It's just about
37:39the Democrats. They are weaponizing a law that has been on the books for 40 years to throw chaos
37:45into what is happening in the Democratic Party. The last point I'll make is this.
37:50There are a lot of votes out there. No one's going to count their egg chickens before they hatch,
37:55or their eggs, if you will. We have not heard from that. I've reached out to people within the
37:59Tallarico campaign. They are not saying whether or not yet they are of the belief that Jasmine Crockett
38:04is that we will not know tonight. They are reserving their comment. So if they have some comment,
38:09I'll come back. I know Eugene is also talking to them. But I think that we are in a place
38:14now where
38:16come tomorrow, there will be some people that will say, ah, Jasmine Crockett lost this race because of
38:21what Republicans did. And then there'll be some people that say, oh, I think she just lost this
38:26race because she didn't run a good campaign. Either way, the narrative on this is now up in the air
38:33because of what the Republicans in Texas decided to do to play in the race.
38:39I was going to say, that to me is the most important part of this. I don't want to get
38:43lost in the weeds here, people. I really don't. This is an orchestrated, coordinated effort,
38:49period. It has been from the very beginning. I just want to know, but it is the law.
38:52That is the point I want to make here. It is the law. It is the law. But we've already
38:56seen now in
38:57Texas and across this country how the law can be weaponized and used to full effect when you want
39:03to move the needle in a certain direction if you want to stop something. And so I just find it,
39:09why does Paxton care whether or not Democrats, given the confusion that was wrought in this situation,
39:17want to vote for an extra two hours? Doesn't change his numbers, right? Doesn't change what's
39:23happening on the Republican side. So what do you care for? It's not about where we're standing up
39:28for the law. Well, you're reaching back 40 years plus to stand up for a law that no one's had
39:33to
39:33invoke before. So, you know, I just think we need to understand what's going on here very much to
39:38what Stephanie was saying before and what a lot of us who've been in working in this space and hearing
39:44on the ground that this is that all of these things are storylines that are being created that
39:50will be used later on. And we just need to understand how they're going to be used now
39:56so we recognize it when they're used later. There is one other element of what's going on here. It's
40:01being reported out by the Dallas Morning News that some of the confusion, some of the chaos,
40:06some of voters being told to go the wrong place may be the fault or may be attributable to the
40:11fact
40:12that Texas Republicans just changed all their congressional district boundaries
40:16right before this election. And they maybe didn't follow through on all the
40:21logistical work you need to do to make sure that people still get to vote in the right place after
40:24you've done that. We've got more reporting on that. Coming up, we're going to take a quick break.
40:29We didn't expect it to be amazing in this exact way, but it's turning out to be a pretty amazing.
40:34It was going to be amazing. I wasn't thinking this way. We'll be right back.
40:45Welcome back to our coverage here on MSNOW of the first big primary night of the 2026 midterms.
40:50It's turning out to be a super interesting one. Let's bring back our colleague Eugene Daniels,
40:55who has some new reporting as we are following this developing story out of Texas. Eugene, what are you
41:00hearing? Yeah, Rachel, my biggest question was what can happen next? What are the things on the table
41:06for the crack of campaign as they're dealing with what the Texas Supreme Court said? I talked to a
41:1225-year veteran of election law in Texas who said the key is that every county has a ballot board.
41:20Each county has their own and the ballot board will meet. The first meeting in Dallas is going to be
41:25on Monday. Now, that ballot board will kind of get together and they will, in fact, vote to accept the
41:32pre- and post-7 p.m. vote. So this is up to this ballot board because, as we all
41:38know, and I think
41:42it's going to be on by the parties in Texas. And so when the polls close at 7 o'clock,
41:48this person says
41:49that person was noted. If it was a guy in a black shirt and black jeans, that person was noted.
41:54And
41:54when they voted, that was made clear that that was the person who was in line at 7 p.m.
42:00Now, it's easy to
42:01track. It's electronic, they say. But the post-7 p.m. vote is the problem, is the question. So the
42:08Supreme
42:08Court, what they essentially said was keep this group in a pack over here and we'll look at it.
42:14Now, when the board meets on Monday, they may decide that it may not matter. They may see the
42:20amount of votes that happened after 7 p.m. and say there are not enough votes here to change the
42:25election. And so this will happen on Monday. These are people who are Democrats. So a lot of these
42:30and there won't be any Republican shenanigans allowed here. It is going to be interesting to see how this
42:35shakes out. Williamson County will also have the same thing. It's unclear when their next board
42:40meeting is. But this is kind of how these things are going to actually shake out as we move forward.
42:46And as you said, amazing and chaotic, to say the least. Yeah. Eugene, that's really helpful.
42:52The ballot boards in each county. Appreciate that, Eugene. And again, keep us surprised as you learn
42:58more. I know you're continuing to work the phones and talk to your sources in Texas. I mentioned before the
43:02break that the Dallas Morning News has some interesting reporting saying that some of the
43:06I mean, you've got to sort of think about this as a couple of different things that have happened in
43:10Dallas County. Number one is people turned up to vote in Dallas County and were told you're not
43:14allowed to vote here. You need to vote someplace else. You weren't expecting to have to vote.
43:18And that is suppressive. Right. It's it's inconvenient enough and difficult enough and time consuming
43:27enough and confusing enough and off putting enough that that is suppressive of the vote itself.
43:32Then you get this separate issue later on in the day when after that happened all day long,
43:37that was the cause for a Dallas judge saying, OK, let's keep things open a little longer in Dallas
43:41County. And then that extension of the voting hours in Dallas County is what was overruled by the Texas
43:46Supreme Court, which has led to all of this stuff about the, you know, voters before 7 p.m. and
43:52voters after
43:527 p.m. and all those things. But that that vote from that ruling from the Texas Supreme Court and
43:59the
43:59issue of how difficult and complicated and confusing it was for people to vote all day long in Dallas
44:05County, those are kind of two separate but related things. And on that first point about how difficult
44:10it was for people to vote in Dallas County, Dallas Morning News is reporting that this confusion about
44:17the Dallas County Republican Party saying, no, you're not allowed to vote countywide.
44:22You have to vote for your specific precinct. And that being new for this election season and
44:26people not knowing that was going to happen and that being confusing, that was compounded because
44:31the Texas Secretary of State's VoteTexas.gov website was not updated with Dallas County's new
44:40precinct maps after they were changed in December after the state did this new redistricting.
44:47The state redistricted in Texas at the insistence of Donald Trump. It was a late and out of time,
44:54sort of not the right time to do it redistricting. One of the logistical consequences of that,
45:00according to the Dallas Morning News, is that the precinct maps weren't updated again at the
45:05Secretary of State's website. So what that means is that some voters in Dallas County who were searching
45:10for their doing the right thing, doing their research, looking it up, searching for their particular polling
45:15place on the state's websites. Some voters in Dallas County, checking the state's website,
45:21were then given the wrong information about where to vote because their precinct map changed when they
45:29redistricted. By Tuesday afternoon, the state website was directing voters to use the county election
45:36search tool instead because the state search tool was not working right because they had the wrong maps.
45:42And of course, as we know, the Dallas County election search tool then crashed as everybody
45:47in the county, again, the second most populous county in the state, tried to use that county
45:51tool in order to figure out where to go. So you can understand why a judge might have ruled that
45:57maybe
45:57things should be kept open a little later to account for this sort of mistakes, particularly because
46:02some of these mistakes appear to have been on the part of the state of Texas. But now the Texas
46:07state Supreme Court has stopped them from having extended those hours.
46:11And how aware was the Republican Party in Dallas County of this mismatch? How aware were they
46:19when they said, no, no, no, you have to go to your precinct? How aware were they that no one
46:25would be
46:25able to find their precinct? Did they know that when they were forcing that choice?
46:30Yeah. And what can Democrats do right now at 1047 p.m. Eastern time at 947 in most of Texas?
46:39What can Democrats both in the in the party machinery and party activists and party operatives
46:45and the two campaigns of James Tallarico and Jasmine Crockett do right now to mitigate the harm
46:51that has been done to the confidence of the people of Texas that it is worth going out and voting
46:57for
46:57Democratic candidate because you like them? And what can they do to try to mitigate the reputational
47:01harm to Texas elections that Republicans will try to develop out of this in order to problematize the
47:08overall Texas urban vote for every election from here on out, most importantly, the November general election?
47:15Well, and if this were if this were a normal election with the with everybody we knew who their campaign
47:21manager was and their senior advisors, the campaign managers at this point would be talking
47:25and they would develop a plan that would be approved by their respective candidates.
47:30Up until even right now, there's confusion actually among Democratic Party circles about
47:35who Jasmine Crockett's campaign manager actually is. If I were in my former life, if I was still a
47:41Democratic strategist, I would I would advise that Tallarico and Crockett get on the phone and they speak directly.
47:47I think also there's a there's a clear from behind the veil of ignorance, which is to say not knowing
47:53what the outcome is here. The principal position is that the Democratic Party believes in as many
47:58people voting as possible. And the principal position, independent of the outcome, is that all
48:02of those should be counted. I think it doesn't matter what where the chips fall where they may.
48:05People I don't even think that's a close call. It also seems to me that the correct things just on
48:11first principles is that that be a shared consensus view from any candidate in the race and all those
48:18votes should be counted. So it sounds also in this case, I mean, you know, the history of election
48:22law about primaries is very fascinating and very weird because it is both basically a private club
48:28electing its leader and also a state function and has a really interesting long record in front of
48:35the Supreme Court. In this case, it sounds like that ballot board made the ultimate call as opposed to
48:40the judge. I don't know. But it certainly seems like if it is the ballot board and there is consensus
48:44on this from the Democratic Party that like that is the clear position. I mean, I think what they're
48:49failing at right now is there's a huge vacuum of information to state the obvious. Right. So we're
48:54all trying to navigate what the ballot board is. Why are they meeting on Monday? Can that be moved up?
48:59I think there's a couple of things. Tallarico should come out now before anyone calls a race,
49:04if there's even a race called. And we don't know that it would be. And say every vote should be
49:09counted. Yeah. That is something that's a value and it should be counted in Dallas County. It should
49:13be counted everywhere. Then he can come back in. He could even give out a printed. It can be a
49:17written statement. It doesn't even have to be in person. The local county Democratic officials
49:22should come out publicly on camera and say, we're going to do everything possible to ensure every vote
49:28is counted. We have lawyers. We're going to move this up. And here's how this process works.
49:32Because right now, what's happening online is the conspiracy theories are feeding.
49:37Mm-hmm. And it's...
49:39On the internet, really?
49:39You never know. But people do look at that, right? And people tell their neighbors. And it's like,
49:45oh, something was stolen here. So I think there is more saying a little bit is better than saying
49:51nothing. And there are a couple of people who would be saying more right now, in my view.
49:54And to all the points, because the parties are the ones who are basically running these primaries,
50:00which goes back to when I was chairman. I advocated that we abolish primaries,
50:04but that's a whole other conversation. Because of stuff like this, because you have biased political
50:11actors setting the terms of engagement in and out, right, off and on, and can at a whim decide you
50:19get
50:19to play or you don't get to play, how you get to play. But this is something, this opens up
50:24a door
50:25for conversations downstream. In this moment, though, I think to both Simone's and Chris's point,
50:33I don't care who her campaign manager is. I don't care who his campaign manager is.
50:38This is a principle to principle conversation.
50:41It is. Correct.
50:41This is what both of them, between the candidates, they get on the phone and go, every vote, to your
50:47point, which is a core tenet of what Democrats believe, if you cast a ballot, damn it, it will
50:54get counted. Right? And so it doesn't matter if you were in line at 7 o'clock this morning or
51:017 p.m.
51:02this evening. If it's extended and my sister, my cousin, your uncle shows up at 7.30,
51:08that vote gets counted. That's the case they need to make to your point of avoiding the conspiracy
51:14nonsense, the two of them. This has nothing to do with the outcome. This has everything to do with
51:19every vote getting counted. And so that's the conversation I like to see the two principles
51:24have. Get off your high horses, stop being the candidate, and be the next U.S. senator in this
51:30moment. Can I just say, I do think that if we just look at how this race has played out,
51:35there has, I think it has been a lot more contentious online than it has actually been
51:39for the voters in person. Right. But I do think that between the two candidates,
51:43there is a mutual respect there. But I do think that the Crockett campaign and the Congresswoman
51:48herself feels some type of way, for lack of a better term, about how some of these things
51:53have transpired. I think it's notable that Congresswoman Crockett came out and she put her
51:59stake on the ground, put her cards on the table to essentially box the Tallarico campaign in.
52:03Now they are in a position where they need to respond or not respond. Jasmine Crockett has
52:08spoken. Do I think they should have talked together first and done something to avoid
52:13confusion for the voters? Because at the end of the day, this is about the voters,
52:17the people being able to cast their ballots and for it to count. So we'll see. I know they're all
52:21watching because people texting me. Get it together. We done told y'all what we think should happen.
52:25Let us know. Call us. Come on TV. I need to jump in here. We do have a projection to
52:30make
52:31in the Texas Senate primary on the Republican side. John Cornyn, the incumbent Republican U.S. Senator
52:39from Texas, and Ken Paxton, the Texas Attorney General, will both advance to a runoff election,
52:46which will be held on May 26th in Texas, in order to simply pick which Republican candidate
52:53will represent the party on the U.S. Senate line of the ballot in November. This is a remarkable
53:00situation for an incumbent U.S. Senator to be in. As far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong,
53:04I don't think Cornyn has ever lost by anything smaller than double digits. He's never not won by
53:11double digits. In Texas, he again, as Jen Psaki was noting earlier this evening, about a year ago,
53:19was very close to being elected Senate majority leader in the United States Senate and now is
53:28paddling for his life in terms of this runoff. And I think it's important to just remind people
53:33that he won this barely or has a couple points ahead of Paxton by spending a boatload of money,
53:41a lot of money from outside groups. He really battled to get that 43 percent to 40.4 percent. And
53:48the
53:48difference now between them, and I saw somebody quoted saying this, you love, you love voters
53:53because they say things, you're like, that sticks with me, who said, you know, I like John Cornyn.
53:58He's not bad. But Ken Paxton, like, I'd walk across hot coals for that guy, right? And if you,
54:05if Ken Paxton has, I know he's corrupt. I know all the things about him. But if he has the
54:10fire in
54:10the belly of his supporters, John Cornyn still has a huge problem here. And if you think that
54:16John Cornyn spent a lot to get here, just wait how much he gets spent in the next 12 weeks.
54:20How many million in it? Yeah. I mean, they're going to put Donald Trump in, like,
54:23a Truman Show compartment so that he can't intervene in the race at all. I mean, I'm telling you,
54:27because, I mean, he, again, he is dispositive here, right? Like, if he comes down either way,
54:32he, all of this is directed about dealing with the big guy. Let's take a quick break.
54:36We'll be right back. Many more results to come. Stay with us.
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