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00:16The book Yoni Shakti I wrote between 2010 and 2012 and Yoni Shakti is a woman's guide
00:26to power and freedom through yoga and tantra it's about bringing people back into a respectful
00:34reconnection with the rhythms of earth and their vitality of life I was interested to see who else
00:43is connecting to these practices and that is how I found out about the school in Denmark and I was
00:51like that is interesting so I put a two-line reference almost like a footnote and I didn't
00:59think any more about it until 2020 when I was contacted by a reader and she expressed horror
01:08because she had been studying at that school and knew about the terrible things that had happened
01:15and then from that I connected with other people who'd had similar experiences so they all were
01:21saying the same kind of thing so I found their website and this little Danish yoga studio was
01:31actually part of this Atman International Federation there are members across the world and when you
01:40look on each one each one has got a different name in Romania it's called Lisa in Sweden it's also
01:48called
01:48Nata yoga so when you get to England Tara so you wouldn't know that's anything to do with it and
01:56at
01:56this point I was like oh my god it's everywhere it was my life okay this is 10 years ago
02:07for me but
02:08there are still women going through this now they claim that it was consensual and frame me as a liar
02:18I wanted to move to kind of leave from this position I was and he grabbed both my wrists and
02:23put them
02:24on the bed like be quiet this felt like I've got to get out of here I couldn't take any
02:29more at that
02:29point he is portrayed as sexually obsessed this is what we see from the files the testimony of Ashley
02:40he's the missing piece that I needed just watch them squirt it started and ended with him
03:14July 2019 when I left Paris I guess I knew that there was sexual abuse happening but I didn't at
03:23that point piece together trafficking but I was just on this kind of constant reading rampage becoming
03:31really kind of obsessed with understanding it more and more the school was still operating everything
03:38was fine and I just knew that every single day more and more women were going through those same
03:43experiences and being sent to Paris so I actually got in contact with me and basically revealed why
03:52she had left the school I was just up the fuck is going on so I confronted the main coordinators
04:02from
04:02Sweden and they're just like it's all lies I think he sort of thought he could make some change from
04:10within and that perhaps people would understand and they could break free from Bivalaru and continue all
04:15the good parts of the school and he wasn't able to recognize that Bivalaru was the school the response
04:22was our belief is so strong that we will do whatever it takes and we will support him no matter
04:28what and in
04:29that moment I just felt like this this shudder and this coldness come over me just thinking like
04:34that's the sort of indoctrination that leads people to drink kool-aid that's the Jonestown's sort of
04:40ideology of you're so aligned with this individual that you would do whatever it takes at whatever cost to
04:49protect him and I just got so scared I thought holy shit these they're gone so it was around May
05:012020 that I first spoke out hi everyone I'm Ashley and I run the cult awareness page this is the
05:07first
05:08story there was a lot of fear of being judged or misunderstood at the time there was so much fear
05:13in me and I was still trying to understand what had happened and I still wasn't sure where I sat
05:17and
05:17how I felt about it and I was kind of oscillating between being really certain that something was
05:22wrong and that I'd left a cult and then also at other times wondering if I was wrong to leave
05:28and
05:29that perhaps I'd fallen off a spiritual path but I just kind of had this need that I needed I
05:34just
05:34needed to say something ask the teachers actually ask them are you sending women to be initiated by
05:40the Guru is that happening just watch them squirm I thought that I would feel really silly if I just
05:46went to my local police station and said hey I had this experience in France can you help me I
05:52just
05:52felt really silly I didn't know where to go so when I first heard about the experience of the people
06:05in
06:05the first school in Scandinavia they put me in touch with Ashley Ashley Freckleton and what she sent me I've
06:13never forgotten it I actually got it received it here I remember it coming through on the email and it
06:17was her testimony the photo was taken the night before I was trafficked to a foreign country for
06:27want of a better of a word a cult people don't show up at yoga classes because you know they
06:32want to do
06:33bad in the world they're like looking for self-improvement to be a better human so that's why she's there
06:39and
06:39there she is in the middle of London looking like really vibrant young woman who's totally destroyed
06:44by this experience it's just wickedness to do that isn't it Uma wanted to publish my testimony anonymously
06:53in the book that was the first time I felt like she gave a voice sort of on a larger
06:59scale but then
07:00they came after her in April of 2021 I got a letter of claim a legal letter it basically says
07:10that all
07:10the allegations I've made are false defamatory severe and it's going to cause their client loss
07:16of potential students serious financial losses is their main concern initially I think I felt disbelief
07:26and then I was just terrified they want me to tell them the identity and whereabouts of all the
07:34parties who provided me with the information for you to make the defamatory allegations they want to go
07:39after the survivors that's what this is about isn't it the whole process ended up with me going to court
07:46three times and it took about two years to complete and in the end the judge decided that they had
07:56been
07:57out of time and that there were so many procedural errors that I won the call to get it thrown
08:02out of
08:03court it couldn't go any further it was a disaster financially disastrous yeah but I kept thinking you
08:11know the stress I was under was nothing compared to the deep suffering that those young women had gone
08:19through what I felt was a kind of sickening sense that these really essentially good teachings had been
08:30twisted up to serve the greed for power of the person who was in charge who was teaching them
08:53people didn't really speak about him as a human being more of a spiritual being
09:00we were really encouraged to look at him as somebody who was enlightened and elevated and whatever he
09:08taught was the truth almost as if he was Jesus
09:16I knew that the school had originated in Romania and I was told don't bother looking him up because
09:24there's this long history with Romania and religious persecution and he started teaching yoga when it was
09:32illegal and he's been persecuted and demonized by the Romanian authorities and that's all that you'll find so
09:41don't bother this is a neighborhood in the outskirts of Bucharest it's called Ferentard and this is known because the
09:59houses that are used as
10:00as ashrams by the group Misa most of them were around the streets
10:11you can see that there are no windows or very small windows very high fences many of them have very
10:18large satellite antennas and in 2004 police got information that there was much more going on inside these houses
10:29than some normal yoga classes than some normal yoga classes
10:35the police had received a lot of complaints coming from parents who told the authorities that their children were missing
10:59because they had joined this movement Misa
11:02because they had joined this movement Misa
11:04my exact împrejarea că copiilor aderaseră la o mișcare aderaseră la un cult și ajunsese să se rupă din de
11:15familia din nucleu fără o explicație foarte clară
11:21besides the fact that a lot of minors were believed to live in those ashrams the police told the media
11:28that they had information that there might be human trafficking going on that there might be organized crime activities
11:45In my opinion it may be umbuis
11:47because I do feel like a little bit of a case ofè¿™æ ·s
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12:07I was not...
12:10Let's go here.
12:11You can't go here, because nobody is here.
12:14I'm not sure.
12:15At any question I was opposed to,
12:19they were opposed to a curse.
12:24One of them were scared,
12:26they were angry.
12:28They were not felt free.
12:32I was just a little scared.
12:46I was born in Transylvania and I was born in Transylvania and I was born in Transylvania.
13:07I was born in Transylvania and I was born in Transylvania and I was born in Transylvania.
13:39After all the period of communism, people have to be able to gather, to create and to deposit all the
13:48hope and illusion in someone else.
13:56These courses were started when I was 11-12 years old.
14:01And I said, of course, that I would participate and I was curious.
14:07It was quite captivating to discover that there is a spiritual guru that created this yoga school,
14:15that there is someone who has answers to all our questions.
14:23The fact that I found myself there, along the Maia Rele Maestro,
14:27you can see that it is something that is so intimate.
14:36The girls saw it on the Greek as the supreme shiva,
14:42the masculine masculine symbol.
14:44You can see that in my vision of a child of 15 years old, I started to see myself as
14:51God.
15:00Even though I was talking about it, I started to see myself as God.
15:02We were talking about it, until we started the investigation,
15:04and it was very much predated and implemented this vision
15:11that what outside we want evil is,
15:15that there is a conspiracy, how spiritual we are.
15:21Right after the raids that were taking place,
15:24MISA started building up a defense and organizing protests.
15:30And then, exactly when all the heat was going on and all eyes were on MISA,
15:38Gregoriami Volaru decided to appear on this very popular TV show,
15:42that just a few days after the raids had happened.
15:54Good evening. Good evening.
15:56Good evening.
15:56I would like to tell you, from the beginning,
15:58that I am not the leader of MISA,
16:02but the mentor of these movements.
16:05What do you say the guru?
16:07What do you say the guru?
16:08I don't say the guru, but the press,
16:10and the people who are trying to criticize me.
16:14I always consider myself that I am a professor of yoga, Gregorian Vivolaru.
16:20Did you have sex with one of the sympathizers of MISA?
16:23The sympathizers of MISA?
16:25I don't do sex with anyone.
16:27Because, to make sex, is something to be a gradan.
16:30Did you have sex with one of the sympathizers of MISA?
16:33So, if I made love, I made love.
16:38Not the degradation by sexuality,
16:40but the romantic relationships,
16:43as we all know, based on love, respect, reciprocity.
16:52My beginning was in the beginning of the 2000s.
16:59I was a virgin.
17:02So, I don't want to give a lot of details about my initiation,
17:06but it wasn't very special.
17:10I didn't feel any pleasure.
17:12However,
17:14I keep in mind that it was full of blood,
17:17but it didn't stop.
17:19I keep in mind that, at some point,
17:22I had tears.
17:29I was 15 years old and almost 6 months old.
17:33Yes.
17:37In manifestation,
17:39everything is a resonance forever and God is creator supreme
17:45of what's interesting thing.
17:47And that's the art of yoga.
17:49must be able to get to know him deeper,
17:52to reach the state of enlightenment.
17:55He got a character out of common.
17:59The character was not so physical,
18:02because he is not a person,
18:04and he was not a person.
18:07It was the fact that we were constantly transfigured
18:10and put him on a constant piedestal.
18:15I will do this for all those who are following me,
18:20for a minute,
18:21if I can create a state for those who are open,
18:26to receive, with happiness,
18:30my branch to the infinite force of power,
18:33which is in the macrocosmos.
18:36So I will start now.
18:38He said that he is going to transmit
18:41a state of absolute happiness to the viewers,
18:45who are open to believing in his philosophy.
19:00There were a lot of people at the table,
19:02and we had a laugh.
19:07You would start to wonder if that man is okay,
19:11from a mental point of view.
19:20I've been involved in fighting against types of movement
19:24and cults for many years.
19:28So that's how I became to be interested in MISA.
19:35I wanted to understand the motive of parody,
19:39what was going on with MISA in France.
19:42And I started to read and slowly investigate.
19:46It was something very well organized
19:49and always the same.
19:52So they organize a kind of strategy
19:56where they ask women from everywhere
20:00around the world, except from France,
20:02to come in France for initiation,
20:05to improve their personal development and so on.
20:11After that, they go back to the origin country.
20:13And when you are a thousand kilometers,
20:17what can you do?
20:18Just nothing.
20:22It's difficult to accept
20:23that somebody is completely under the control
20:26of someone else.
20:28First of all,
20:29you absolutely need to have testimonies from the victims.
20:34And it was a kind of protection for Bivolari
20:36to not have compliance influence from French victims.
20:41I had reported to the Royal Charity Commission in the UK.
20:45Nothing had come of that.
20:47Like I put something on Crimestoppers International
20:50and I followed that up maybe once or twice
20:53and it never came to fruition.
20:56No one ever got back to me.
20:57No one ever seemed to want to take my testimony.
21:02I put some alerts on my computers.
21:06Paris, Omania, Guru, Cult.
21:10And I quickly found this article in Australian newspapers.
21:17Paris, Omania, Guru, Cult.
21:20The testimony of Ashley.
21:24Hello, Ashley.
21:26Allow me to introduce myself.
21:30It actually is, yeah, it's pretty wild
21:32because from where I was sitting at that point
21:34he was just some random guy in France.
21:37And yet, he's the missing piece that I needed
21:40to connect in with the foreign police.
21:43So I was in touch with Ashley
21:45and transmitted this testimony
21:47to the department of police
21:50in charge of what is going on in terms of cults in France.
22:05We knew there were difficulties with this movement.
22:08But before 2021, in reality,
22:12we wouldn't start an investigation
22:14on this movement.
22:20The first crucial step is the audit of the victims.
22:24Kaimard, which is a very specialized anti-cult unit,
22:29did reach out and said
22:31that they wanted to receive my testimony verbally.
22:34Then they asked me if I wanted to make a formal complaint.
22:38And I said yes.
22:41We thought that there was a possibility
22:44that Gregorian Bivolaru was on the French territory.
22:49But it was very precious
22:50because there was a risk
22:52that Gregorian Bivolaru
22:53would escape
22:53and, by the network that was in place,
22:56would disappear
22:56and that we could no longer put his hand on it.
23:20Let's see.
23:21After the raids,
23:22Gregorian Bivolaru denied all of the charges.
23:33But then, a trial had begun
23:35and he was nowhere to be found.
23:38He didn't show up in court.
23:40And the next thing we found out
23:42was that Gregorian Bivolaru
23:44appeared somewhere in Sweden.
23:47Capturat!
23:48Gregorian Bivolaru,
23:49cel mai vânat român din ultima vreme,
23:50a fost prins
23:51și reținut în Suedia.
23:53There had only been like 15 years
23:56since the fall of the communist regime.
24:01So, Misa was using this argument
24:03that was still sensitive in Romania,
24:07saying that Romania is still a corrupt country,
24:11is still a country where police use force,
24:15everything in order to convince
24:18the Swedish authorities to refuse extradition requests.
24:21Slavitură sub centură dată justiții române.
24:23Gregorian Bivolaru nu poate fi extradat.
24:25Asta a decis astăzi Curtea Supremă de Justiție de la Stoppul.
24:30Agistrații suedese au temut
24:31că liderul spiritual Misa
24:32va fi persecutat în România.
24:35ÃŽn 2004,
24:37a scabit România
24:38pentru a fi în Suedan.
24:40Deci, oficialul a fost văzut în Suedan,
24:42dar există evidență
24:43că, mai mult în 2007,
24:47a fost în Franța
24:48și a fost în Franța.
24:59Nu, înseamnătorul a fost în comparața
25:02într-a scoare,
25:02într-a scuolaul.
25:03Așteptă,
25:04într-a scoolaul.
25:10to date people outside of the school
25:12and met somebody and had a child,
25:15so my focus shifted.
25:19I was quite disappointed because there wasn't
25:21so much understanding that life with a small child
25:25requires huge amounts of dedication and energy
25:29and I felt very much left behind.
25:34I was dedicating myself wholeheartedly to motherhood
25:38and a friend of mine called me and said,
25:41look, you know, there are some things
25:43that I would like to share with you.
25:47So my friend came an evening and sat on the sofa
25:50and began to give me accounts of women
25:54having really awful experiences.
25:59For me, I went in because I wanted to,
26:02like I really, really wanted it,
26:04so I never felt that I had to do anything
26:07against my own will.
26:08It was 100% my choice.
26:14But at the same time,
26:17there was a huge underlying pressure
26:19for a lot of people to do things
26:22against themselves and against their will
26:25and against their boundaries
26:26because it wasn't really that safety
26:29to say, actually, I don't want to do this.
26:33I was going to do it.
26:35I was going to do it.
26:40Videochat-urile
26:41a fost o afacere
26:43destul de recentă
26:44în perioada în care eu
26:46ajunsesem în nucleu.
26:50Nu am putut să...
26:51oficial nu puteam să fac așa ceva
26:53pentru că nu avea vârstrea.
26:55Dar, cum am spus,
26:56este lucrul cel mai normal
26:57să faci câteva apariții pe acolo,
26:59pe pașaportul altor fete,
27:01că era atâta timp cât erai asemănătoare,
27:04puteai să faci ce vrei.
27:06A fost în perioada aceea
27:08când am înțeles magnitudinea
27:10și când vezi 40 de așramuri,
27:14clădiri întregi cumpărate,
27:15când vezi comandamente la Costinești,
27:18când vezi hoteluri la Costinești.
27:20Și mi s-a confirmat
27:21că toată prosperitatea aceasta
27:23unei organizații non-profit
27:25vine din site-urile, videochat-urile.
27:36Sfântului-o.
27:37Că lăsați un contract,
27:38pentru că a fostesul,
27:39pentru a fost unul de răzori
27:42pentru că
27:43este place
27:44este cărorea
27:46este este personal
27:46este că
27:47de fost
27:49pentru a avea
27:49de sântul
27:51va întreduk,
27:52va întreduk.
27:59In terms of our growth and our development in the school,
28:05it started and ended with Krieg.
28:09There were very many teachers in the school who were incredibly intelligent and charismatic,
28:18and all of them were just so devoted to this human being.
28:25But anybody familiar with the yin and yang symbol,
28:29we know that in each light, there's always a speck of darkness.
28:35Just like in each darkness, there's always a speck of light.
28:41I guess I made an assumption that the speck of darkness in him was really small.
28:48But from everything that's been uncovered, maybe the speck of darkness is much bigger than what we assumed.
28:58Missa and Gregorian Bivolaru have always presented Bivolaru as both a victim and a hero.
29:10That he has always been oppressed, attacked, harassed, jailed, tortured, beaten by the hands of the former secret police of
29:22Romania.
29:23It's called the Securitate.
29:31During the communist regime, we indeed lived in a closed and totalitarian society. That is true.
29:40But now, years after, we can actually look up in these files and see what really happened.
30:03The first mention of the Securitate surveilling Gregorian Bivolaru dates back from 1971.
30:16Back then, Gregorian Bivolaru was 19 years old and he was in his last high school year.
30:27They discovered that he was in contact with foreign citizens whom he was asking for pornographic materials such as like
30:39photos, magazines.
30:42So we have one of those letters. I think it was 72.
30:49I know a lot of things about your sexual freedom in Sweden and I want to obtain pictures.
30:56Do you want to send me sexy photos and sexy slides from Sweden?
31:02Another letter. I have a great sympathy for the German people and in your sexy photos I can see the
31:09emancipated comprehension of the sexuality in Germany.
31:14Later on, he was actually convicted to prison because he owned and distributed pornographic materials.
31:23He was not jailed because he was a yoga practitioner. This is what we see from the files.
31:28In the summer of 1989, raids were organized by Securitate in several cities in Romania to dismantle groups that were
31:39practicing yoga.
31:43Yoga had been forbidden since 1982. Bivolaru was leading such a group, so he was again detained.
31:50But this time, the Securitate decided that his place was not in a prison, but in a psychiatric medical unit.
32:02He is basically portrayed as sexually obsessed.
32:10So in his own words, back from 1989, he tells the Securitate agents that one day, somewhere in 1986 or
32:211987, I met near my house a young 12-year-old brunette girl.
32:28I think she was a gypsy.
32:32And I asked this close friend of mine to have intimate relations with the girl.
32:39And afterwards to present her to me in order for me to initiate her in sexual tantrum.
32:48This shows a potential interest in very young women since so many, many years ago.
32:56And also it goes on saying that Bivolaru, over the years, has asked his women friends to recruit other women
33:05for him.
33:08He was subject to psychiatric exam,
33:13which says that he lacks the mental capacity to assess his own actions, his own deeds.
33:21And then just a few months later, the communist regime in Romania fell.
33:28And soon after, special commission of this psychiatric unit decided to release Gregorian Bivolaru.
33:36And soon after that, in 1990, the group called MISA took birth.
33:49So after Prague, I travelled back to the UK and I started to realise how extremist the teachings and practices
34:00of the school were.
34:03And there was this website that was made by people who were enemies of the school.
34:10We were told that it was demonic and it was better not to look at it.
34:15So, New Year's Eve, 21, 22, at home on my own, I did look at it and it was like
34:24a mirror.
34:26It just confirmed what I was already feeling.
34:31All of those moments of doubt or incongruence now made sense.
34:36And this word, cult, that before I hadn't been willing to accept,
34:42I thought that it was a term that was used to denigrate religion and spirituality and keep people away from
34:48it.
34:51At that point, on that New Year's Eve, I realised for the first time that I had to leave.
34:55And I had to leave completely.
34:57And I had to do something about it and I had to speak out.
35:01And then it became really clear their true colours and what they were actually capable of.
35:12So, they claimed that everything was consensual and framed me as a liar.
35:18And people who I thought were my friends were lying about me and saying, you know, how I'd fallen from
35:24the path.
35:25It made me feel sad that that whole foundation of community, which had been such an important part of me
35:34remaining in there for those years, was completely inauthentic.
35:39Wasn't a real community. Those weren't real friendships.
35:42And there was no opportunity for you to truly be yourself.
35:52I got a phone call from my first relationship at the time, Paula.
35:59Initially, she wasn't prepared to discuss any of it, but she revealed everything and it was just the final confirmation
36:06that I realised, like, this was the last straw.
36:17The fourth and last visit was in October of 2019.
36:27I wanted to move to Ganga Ali from the position I was and he grabbed both my wrists and put
36:34them on the bed.
36:35Like, be quiet. And then, eventually, a little bit more after that, he didn't keep them, but he put them,
36:42you know, and then took his hands off.
36:44And then, a few minutes afterwards, I started crying so that he would just get off me.
36:51And then he was screaming at me for like three hours, saying that I was never going to be invited
36:57there again.
36:58Because I didn't deserve it, because I didn't love him.
37:02Then, after I left his room and I went to the room with the girls, he came into the room
37:06and he continued saying horrible things to me.
37:09Like, he just repeated everything he said in his room to me alone in front of the girls.
37:15At that point, I said, I'm never again coming here.
37:18Like, I had it really clear, like, this is just, this is the opposite of what I ever thought it
37:23would be, you know?
37:26Like, this is super traumatic, like, it's not enjoyable at all.
37:29Like, I'm being forced to pretend that I want to do something I don't want to.
37:34And I'm being humiliated because I don't want to, you know?
37:42That was the straw that broke the camel's back.
37:45I just, I couldn't take any more at that point.
37:47I just felt like I got to get out of here.
37:50I can't do this anymore.
37:53This investigator from France contacted me.
37:56So I did agree to give my testimony.
38:01Les victimes de dérive sectaire ne témoignent pas facilement.
38:06Les victimes de dérive sectaire, elles sont sous emprise.
38:09Une emprise mentale qui leur empêche de se sentir victime.
38:15Il faut qu'elles se sentent en confiance avec les enquêteurs pour raconter ce qui lui est arrivé, qu'elles
38:21sentent qu'il y ait une écoute réelle derrière, que les gens comprennent.
38:27I was contacted by this special unit and through the questioning techniques and the use of language of this French
38:36unit, I could tell that they understood.
38:38I gave them my testimony.
38:41I just knew that that's what I had to do.
38:45There was no other choice for me.
38:49By the time they spoke to me, they'd already taken statements from a few others.
38:53And I really felt that, okay, this was 10 years ago for me, but there are still women going through
38:59this now.
39:01I mean, I knew that I was a victim of sex trafficking and rape and that was clear from like
39:06even the therapy that I had done and some of the things that I had read until that point.
39:10But it was something about having the police actually say it back to me after hearing all of my very
39:15personal details for multiple days, having them say, yes, this is what happened.
39:19And it's a very serious crime under French law.
39:23And we will be absolutely pursuing this as far as we can.
39:29At one point, with the authorization of the magistrates, we started an emergency operation.
39:35We had about 170 inquieters who were on the ground.
39:40Just before the intervention, we still had some uncertainty.
39:44What we really wanted to find behind these doors?
39:50We could never have a look.
39:56175 policiers mobilisés.
39:58Une quarantaine d'arrestations simultanées.
40:00Toutes liées à un groupe sectaire de yoga.
40:06Il est soupçonné d'avoir abusé de dizaines de femmes.
40:17Il est soupçonné d'avoir abusé de dizaines de femmes.
40:20près de Paris, là où il a été arrêté hier.
40:22Il me semble que le début de la réconciliation que nous tous voulions voir arriver.
40:28Il va choisir sélectionner un certain nombre de femmes provenant des quatre coins de la planète pour être initié par
40:35lui.
40:35Il s'agit d'initiations sexuelles sous prétexte de développement personnel.
40:39À l'abord, je n'étais pas sûr si c'était vrai.
40:42C'était comme...
40:43C'était comme...
40:43C'était comme...
40:44C'était comme...
40:44C'était comme...
40:44C'était comme...
40:44C'était comme...
40:47C'était comme...
40:50C'était comme ce qui était...
40:50Il est soupçonné d'être à la tête d'une secte.
40:53Accusé de viol, de traite d'être humain et de séquestration en bande organisée.
40:58On n'est pas là encore.
40:59C'est juste le premier épisode dans ce qui ferait un processus très long.
41:03Mais au moins, nous savons qu'il ne peut pas l'en faire plus longtemps.
41:14At the moment of the intervention, the charges that were held against the movement were the following.
41:20The abuse of a poor person in a state of psychological condition
41:24is to treat human beings and to rape.
41:32Do you think he's a criminal guilty of those crimes?
41:40Once I took my experiences and the events that had happened to me out of the context of their dogma
41:47and applied it to the context of other normal people's reactions,
41:53my own feelings and experiences, legal definitions,
41:57then I understood that what had happened was trafficking and rape.
42:06There's a yes in my system, and also the story's complicated.
42:20But ultimately the responsibility lies with him.
42:29To me it was just like a bad experience, something then,
42:32and then talking to my therapist, she was like, you know, let's just put the name for the things that
42:37happened.
42:40When you were kidnapped, she started to use all of these words in therapy,
42:43it was really conflicting.
42:45It was like, I don't want to hear that, that's not what happened.
42:49And she was like, she really helped me to start putting names on the things that really, like,
42:54to really name properly the things that happened.
42:58And then when I saw the charges that we were accusing him of, and then it said rape,
43:03and then it was an explanation of what rape means for the French law.
43:09Any type of sexual interaction that you had that was done through manipulation or coercion,
43:17it's also called rape.
43:26We don't have to talk a lot.
43:28We just have to read after your declaration to check that there are no mistakes.
43:33I do worry about the fact that I ultimately resisted, and I ultimately did say no,
43:39and I left, and I wasn't initiated.
43:42I didn't endure the same horrors that others did.
43:47Therefore, is that an indication that their consent was valid?
43:51Because I was able to say no.
43:56So this is the beginning of the shops on the Cowdy Road.
44:00So you can see the sign from here.
44:02You see it?
44:05They're not going to say that this didn't happen.
44:08They're going to say that everybody consented, and therefore no crime occurred.
44:15It's all the debate.
44:17It's obviously what supported the examinations are that everyone was free.
44:24Every branch that was open when I left is still open.
44:30They target students particularly.
44:31So it's really upsetting to think that a young impressionable person,
44:35but potentially anyone, could just walk into that yoga studio
44:40and have a yoga class, just like I did, without knowing
44:44that it's connected to Bivalaru and Misu and Atman.
44:50I see, at my level, as a law practitioner,
44:54and because these are the issues that I often treat,
44:58that all these young women were under psychological suggestion
45:03at the moment when they had suffered the fact that they loved.
45:08What does France do?
45:10It's the fact that, in a group, and by a certain number of techniques
45:14and conditions, you prive your free-arbitre.
45:21I think that if there should be a trial,
45:23it won't be held before a year,
45:28but certainly not before two or three years.
45:32We wait.
45:34We wait.
45:35We wait.
45:36We wait.
45:37As on French, I don't know if your translator will explain it,
45:40we wait.
45:42We wait.
45:43We wait.
45:45We wait.
45:47We wait.
45:48We wait.
46:01It's been crazy actually, you know, just still trying to make sense of it all.
46:08Just finding myself again.
46:17I miss the community, I miss the teaching, I miss being so incredibly inspired.
46:25And I've also learned that we can't just keep our gaze up to the light when we're standing
46:32in a pile of shit.
46:36The time that I spent actually in there and working alongside the other community members,
46:42I still feel like there's a sense of accomplishment behind all of that.
46:48I have often wondered what my life would be like if I hadn't been in this organisation
46:53for seven years.
46:55Maybe I would have had children.
46:57I don't know.
46:58Maybe I would have been in a long-term monogamous relationship for that time.
47:02It's just really hard to know what would have happened and how life would have been.
47:10I think it's good to be curious about why we're here in this incredible planet.
47:21But life is hard, life is painful, life is confusing.
47:27A lot of really horrible things happen and we don't have the explanation for why.
47:33And maybe we're not supposed to.
47:38And maybe we're not supposed to.
47:58And maybe we're not supposed to.
48:02to take their power.
48:07I'm still trying to figure out where I sit on the spiritual spectrum.
48:13There is a sense of spirituality there, but I don't know what I believe in anymore.
48:18And I'm still trying to make sense of that.
48:22Since then, I realised that I have this really deep connection with the spirituality, if we
48:29want to call it God or the universe or source, that I have such a deep experience that I don't
48:34need a guru, I don't need anybody else.
48:38All of this exists within me.
48:41I don't need anybody else.
49:10I don't need anybody else.
49:11I don't need anybody else.
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