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00:00You must not let these doubts creep in.
00:16I've been staring at that scar on his cheek for decades,
00:19and I vividly remember him telling me
00:21it was a tree-locking accident.
00:24My duty is to present all the evidence,
00:26no matter what it is or where it's from.
00:28If you do have something that will help this case,
00:31then you should tell me Llewellyn.
00:33Dad, you know I'm not here just for a holiday, hey?
00:35I'm here so we can get to know each other.
00:37Take a deep breath in.
00:40Head out.
00:41Yeah, while you were cancelling Principal Thorne,
00:43you forgot you were cancelling me too.
00:44Leave me alone!
00:46I'm ashamed of you!
00:51I feel like I can't find you!
00:53If I am, I'm here!
00:55But you're actually not.
00:56I love you.
00:58I'm meant to be having dinner with her tonight.
01:00I'm going to cancel it.
01:02Hey!
01:03Jazz, this kind of thing is going to keep happening.
01:05Do you not realise that?
01:06If you weren't there that night,
01:08something could happen.
01:09We helped you, and now you want to what?
01:10You want to get the club shut down?
01:11Mr. Delamore, this is Brett Colby, SC.
01:22I am in the thick of a murder trial,
01:37and it is imperative that I speak with you,
01:41as I believe that you have critical information to this case.
01:46Now, as we are not able to meet,
01:49could you please contact my associate, Nina De Stasio,
01:52to set up an urgent video call with my fax?
01:56Mm-hmm.
02:14Taxi from Mr. Delamore, Heathrow.
02:16Nina! Hey! I'm just wondering, uh, have you found out who John is?
02:39We can't discuss that.
02:41Look, I'm the one that gave you the photo. Please.
02:45We found him, yes, but it's not promising. That's all I can say.
02:52Cause I feel you
02:59I wanna say while we mix
03:04Hey!
03:05It's summer's July
03:12Red Off
03:15Red Off
03:17Court starts in 15 minutes, so chop chop
03:21Oh, hey, um, I was thinking of maybe, um, switching things up a bit and switching seats
03:29Uh, well, you can't, because the seats were allocated.
03:32Oh, I know. I was just thinking that maybe we could reallocate them.
03:36This is the Supreme Court. It's not high school.
03:42Cool.
03:43A deep echo in me
03:46A strong appeal for that mystery
03:53I know you know
03:58I need to swap seats with you.
04:10Why?
04:11Um, cause I want my period and I need the air.
04:16Right, yeah. Well, look, I don't think we're supposed to...
04:18Come on, please. It's really bad.
04:20Oh, just...
04:21Oh, just...
04:22Okay.
04:23Don't have too many details, okay?
04:25Um, hello?
04:34What?
04:35Mr. Lee, when did you first meet Amanda Taylor?
04:42I met Amanda when she sent me a video pitch and a manuscript submission in 2020.
04:49What was the manuscript about?
04:51It was about her father being the Cape Rock killer.
04:55When my mother died, I found these newspaper clippings among her things.
05:02Of the unsolved Cape Rock murders of Judith Donnelly and Susan Mead.
05:09I believe that she thinks that my father murdered these girls, too.
05:14My book, My Father is the Cape Rock Killer, will expose the truth.
05:21Were you interested in publishing it?
05:25No.
05:26Oh, but why...
05:27Why was that?
05:28It was all supposition, using what was already on the public record.
05:33Except for a few interviews with her family.
05:35I told her to come back when she had definitive proof that her father was the killer.
05:40She would have to solve the crime, basically, otherwise it had no value.
05:45Hmm.
05:46Did you believe that Miss Taylor had given up on her book?
05:49I had no belief either way.
05:51I didn't expect to hear from her again after the rejection.
05:56What do you do with books that are rejected?
05:59Do you...
06:00Do you delete them?
06:02Not immediately.
06:03They stay on file for 12 months.
06:05I see.
06:06Uh, Joanna, it's been brought to my attention that juror 183 and 105 are not sitting in their allocated place.
06:15183 and 105, kindly move back to your assigned seats.
06:19It's essential that all jurors remain in your allocated seats at all times.
06:24Miss Lee, is Gia Pandit one of your authors?
06:34Yes.
06:35She's my top-selling true crime writer.
06:39Three books, over two million copies sold.
06:43That's very impressive.
06:44I imagine that the income stream from that would be absolutely critical to keep things afloat at a publishing house like your own.
06:51Now, what was she writing about in 2023?
06:54She was writing her own version of the 1968 Cape Rock murders.
07:02The same crime as Miss Taylor?
07:04Yes.
07:06So, were you aware of Miss Taylor's suspicion that you had passed on her manuscript to Gia Pandit?
07:14Guilty.
07:15It must make it very competitive to find new material for your books.
07:21Yes.
07:22New crimes, definitely.
07:23But there are plenty of old crimes that haven't been mined yet.
07:26I'm currently writing a book about an unsolved double murder.
07:29That sounds very interesting.
07:30Mmm.
07:31Can you tell us more?
07:32Yeah, it's about the 1968 Cape Rock murders.
07:34Oh, wow.
07:35I've got some new sources, including the families of the suspects who have never been willing to talk until now.
07:41You've worked your magic on them.
07:43I've made some inroads, yes.
07:45And what they have to say is very interesting.
07:47Who did you speak to?
07:49Uh, am I picking interest already?
07:52I just want to know how you made those inroads exactly.
07:58No spoilers for my story.
08:00We'll take questions at the end, thank you.
08:02Yeah, but it's not your story, is it?
08:04Security.
08:05No, just be honest and tell them how you made inroads with my family.
08:11She stole my manuscript.
08:13Yeah, that's what she mined.
08:16Get her out of here, please.
08:18Mmm.
08:19That's fine, I'm leaving.
08:21Gia Pandit, everyone!
08:24Gia fucking Pandit.
08:26She accused Gia of stealing her manuscript.
08:29It happens all the time with new writers.
08:32They think they're the only ones that can come up with their idea.
08:35So, you have Amanda Taylor's manuscript on file.
08:38And one of your writers, perhaps your most lucrative, begins a book on the same murders.
08:44Using Amanda Taylor's family as a source.
08:47Is that a coincidence, Mr. Lee?
08:49Gia is a prize-winning, best-selling journalist.
08:53She had no need to steal anything.
08:55Amanda's accusations of plagiarism are completely unfounded.
08:59Did these accusations, as you call them, cause you any trouble?
09:04Oh, she might as well have screamed plagiarist and rung a fucking cowbell.
09:08No one will listen to her, just ignore it.
09:10Hard to ignore being defamed in front of an audience, Phil.
09:13Don't waste that brilliant brain of yours worrying about this.
09:16Just leave it with me and I will shut her up.
09:19Good.
09:20Will you just do it?
09:22I simply had my legal team issue Miss Taylor with a concerns notice.
09:29After you sent Miss Taylor the concerns notice, did she stop?
09:34No.
09:37So did you commence legal action and determination?
09:41I can create drama, sir.
09:44Or was it simply that her accusations were actually true?
09:50No.
09:51Jura 183, please, stay in your seat.
09:59I'm... I'm... I'm sorry. I can't... I can't...
10:05It seems one of our jurors is indisposed.
10:09We'll adjourn while the jury officer establishes what's ailing her.
10:14Yeah.
10:15Hey.
10:16Hey.
10:17Hey, babe, can I get you anything?
10:20Hey, babe, can I get you anything?
10:36You're fine, go with me.
10:38I'm here if you need to talk, okay?
10:42What are you doing? What the, what is this?
10:45I'm just trying to help you.
10:47No, you're not, you're not.
10:49I'm trying to help you.
10:50You keep ignoring me.
10:51Hey, you're nice to be the next.
10:53I don't understand why you're with me.
10:54Just because I make another friend.
10:56You've been icing me out of the week.
10:58You just sat a seat away from me.
11:00And then you were a fucking liar on my, on my notebook.
11:03I was about to witness.
11:04Enough with the gaslighting, Jasmine.
11:06I can't, fuck, I can't fucking do this.
11:08Whoa, whoa.
11:13I'm so sorry, I was just trying to help.
11:15I can have it, go back to the jury room.
11:17Gretel.
11:18Gretel, take a, take a deep breath.
11:20I can't breathe.
11:21Yeah, take a deep breath.
11:22I can't breathe.
11:23I can't breathe.
11:24Take a deep breath.
11:28Slow breath.
11:29Slow breath.
11:30Slow breath.
11:31I'm, I'm trying.
11:33What was the holdup?
11:44I just got a call from the UK.
11:46John Delamore's taking a sudden leave of absence from work.
11:49Where's he gone?
11:50The PI's searching now.
11:52Oh, shit.
11:53You okay?
11:54Yeah.
11:55Yeah, um, yeah, make sure he finds me.
12:00Beth.
12:01Where's Xavier?
12:04Beth.
12:05Oh, he, he's okay.
12:07Um, he called me to ask if I could get a message to you in court, so I, I didn't want to interrupt,
12:12so I just drove him myself.
12:14No, it's fine.
12:15We adjourned almost before we began, so thank you.
12:18Oh, it, I mean, is everything all right about that?
12:20Have I missed anything?
12:21No, no, no.
12:22And it's probably a godsend.
12:23We need a little more time to find this John Delamore fellow.
12:26Okay.
12:27Do you mean, do you want me to stay?
12:28No, no.
12:29You, you, you go home to Josie, all right?
12:31Okay.
12:32All right, bye.
12:33Bye.
12:34Oh, Lord.
12:37I'm fine.
12:38Just a fucking idiot.
12:40What happened to you?
12:42Recording in the shed and it's tripped over the dog.
12:47Fucking smashed my head open.
12:49I hope the dog's okay.
12:52And, um, not too much damage to the shed.
13:00Oh, poor bugger.
13:02I want to make sure they give you an MRI scan your dad just let me do their job. It's fine
13:19Thank you for your concern you're welcome
13:32right um date of birth three six of nine nine nine ninety one how old am I like that ninety nine
13:49slightly two is it is it I know I'm supposed to know this shit it's a dementia ward just a
13:56what's the hall come on thanks man that's very kind
14:02Jesus Christ
14:06what time is it
14:14rest of these afternoons
14:20do you want to do something
14:23I have to go to the club
14:32speak to what's her face
14:38yeah
14:41she's not still mouthing off is she about the chat threads
14:46no even if she was no one would believe it
14:49hmm
14:50so this is the only interaction you had
14:55yeah
14:56Jasmine told me a different story
15:00what did she say
15:03she told me that you were rejected
15:05by her and her boyfriend and that you were accusing his club of a spiking incident as a kind of revenge
15:11what
15:11sorry that's that's bullshit I'm not really sure why she would say that
15:15she also said that you suggested calling each other Judy and Susie as a way around me
15:21that was her idea that was all sorry this this is really stupid I need to go this is a mistake I can't be here please
15:27sit down
15:27look she's twisted everything okay that is exactly why I didn't want to sit next to her this morning
15:31she's making me look like I'm crazy I want to hear your side of it I just need you to sit down and tell me everything that's happened
15:37yeah but you're not going to believe me are you because she's gotten to you before I have
15:40Gretel
15:40believe it or not I've met Jasmine's before
15:43now sit down
15:46sit
15:48hey
15:53hey
15:54hi
15:55I'm sorry I didn't call before coming over I just um I bring sustenance
16:00my housemates we had a party last night and there's plenty of leftovers so
16:05and Salma mentioned missing her mother's mirasata
16:08so
16:09right
16:10Salma isn't here actually
16:13oh
16:14um
16:15but sorry um
16:16I don't have to come in you can put this in the fridge and I can just go
16:19come in please
16:21yeah yeah
16:22what about Salma how is she with her auntie
16:27I haven't heard from do you want some water
16:29yes please thank you
16:30tap's good
16:30tap tap is fine
16:31I've called her a few times she doesn't pick up
16:35but at least her aunt uh
16:37she keeps me updated
16:39sometimes she reminds me you know
16:42I'm not her real dad
16:44but you are her real dad
16:46yeah
16:48how did you meet Salma's mom
16:53I was teaching uh English in Malaysia
16:56and uh we met there she was a widow
17:00and Salma was nine when we came to Australia
17:02you're right
17:10I am her dad
17:11yes you are her dad
17:14no I think it's my phone
17:18maybe it's Salma
17:20yes we're burning
17:21you know I can I'll just
17:22no no no please
17:23just be a minute
17:25not Salma
17:34no no it's the principal for the new public school in Schiften
17:36yes
17:37Hmm.
17:43Not Selma?
17:44No. No, it's the principal for the new public school in Chifton.
17:49Yes?
17:50I think they want to meet me.
17:53Really?
17:53I think I'm being headhunted.
17:55No, look.
17:56That is just amazing. That is a...
17:58Sorry.
18:00No, no, no.
18:01I think I'm going to go, okay?
18:10Um, I'll see you tomorrow.
18:12Yes.
18:12Yeah.
18:13Awesome. Congratulations.
18:16Really happy for you.
18:16Thanks for that.
18:18Anytime.
18:18Yeah.
18:20Bye.
18:21Bye.
18:26Hello.
18:28Hello.
18:28Hi.
18:29How are you doing?
18:30Good.
18:31How are you?
18:32Good. How was your night?
18:34Oh, so good.
18:35You look amazing.
18:36I went dancing.
18:37Oh, yeah?
18:38Dancing with who?
18:39With Mel.
18:39With Mel, huh?
18:40Yeah.
18:41Do you want to dance with me?
18:43Come on, sir.
18:44Dance with me.
18:45Now?
18:45Yes.
18:46Oh, baby, I mean, there's no...
18:47Yes, yes, yes.
18:49Oh, no, there's no music.
18:50Oh, can you sing me a song?
18:52Sing your song?
18:52Yeah.
18:54To the...
18:55Can you sing me a different song?
18:58That's the only song I know, right?
18:59That's the only one I know.
19:02Hey.
19:03Yeah?
19:05I've had a really big day.
19:06I don't feel like dancing.
19:07Is that okay?
19:09Oh, fine.
19:12Okay.
19:14What's that?
19:17Okay, I'm sorry.
19:18We're just...
19:18No, it's okay.
19:19I don't know.
19:19We're just in different places right now.
19:21So...
19:21Yeah.
19:21I'm...
19:22You're okay?
19:25Yeah.
19:27Okay.
19:29I'm...
19:30I...
19:31What?
19:37I'm pregnant.
19:38You're pregnant?
19:45Yeah.
19:47Are you serious?
19:48Yeah.
19:50Yeah.
19:51I know you're not really ready.
19:55No, no, no.
19:55That's amazing.
19:57You're pregnant?
19:58Yes.
20:00That's amazing.
20:02That is...
20:02That's a lot of amazing.
20:04Are you happy?
20:04Yeah, yeah.
20:06Oh, my God.
20:07That's...
20:07That's incredible.
20:08That's incredible.
20:12Are you okay, Drew?
20:25Yeah.
20:27No.
20:28No.
20:44That's...
20:45That's actually amazing news.
20:52There's...
20:53There's something that I need to tell you.
20:55It's about Leo.
21:06Yep.
21:08What you doing?
21:10Oh, just a bit of a walk and a sink before I go to work.
21:13With Huey.
21:14Huey!
21:15Come on.
21:16Good boy.
21:17There's a good boy.
21:19You should take it easy today, you know?
21:22Yeah, well, I've just got a sound check later on.
21:25Do you mind if I come along?
21:27To the sound check?
21:28Yeah.
21:28Seems like I can't see the real thing.
21:32Sure.
21:32Yeah.
21:33That'd be great.
21:34All right.
21:34I'll pick you up after work.
21:35I'll have to...
21:36Yeah, cool.
21:37I'll pick you up after work.
21:40Oh, yeah.
21:43Oh, yeah.
21:47I'll pick you up after a music feature.
21:51Yeah.
21:52You know what this is about?
22:14I think the bolt from yesterday.
22:18Newsflash.
22:19Gen Z panic attack.
22:21Scuttle's trial.
22:22Ha ha.
22:24Gen Z.
22:25Oh.
22:26I'll tell you later.
22:28Okay.
22:30Can you explain this image to me?
22:33Jura 183 approached Mr. Fraser only to avoid compromising the trial, which she's now realised was not the best approach.
22:41Jura 131 was with 183 that night and took this photo.
22:45She brought it to me after they'd had a small clash.
22:49Is this clash resolved or can I expect more disruptions?
22:56I believe it's under control.
22:58Jura 183 has assured me there'll be no more incidents.
23:01Be that as it may, the jury should not be socialising together.
23:05I'll have the jury officer make that clear to them.
23:07I'll also reiterate that to them, Your Honour.
23:09Thank you, Madam Foreperson.
23:11We'll let the jury know when I've made my decision.
23:14You're free to go.
23:15Thank you, Your Honour.
23:17She seems sensible and thorough.
23:27I'm happy with her account.
23:30Any concerns, Counsel?
23:33None.
23:35None for me.
23:36Very well.
23:38Miss Nicholls, verify that there's been no other contact with your witness.
23:42He'll need to corroborate before we proceed.
23:44Of course, Your Honour.
23:45If you can tear him away from his latest press conference.
23:49Your Honour, I do believe that Mr Fraser is in the building.
23:52He comes to court every day.
23:53Good.
23:54Call him in.
23:55Does anybody think Amanda might have been neurodivergent?
23:59Oh, for fuck's sake.
24:00No, I've been doing a bit of reading and she shows all the signs.
24:03It's really not appropriate to be diagnosing people we don't know with a disability.
24:07Is it a disability, though?
24:08Really?
24:09It is.
24:09No, I'm just like, you know, a mild social problem doesn't really rate on the same level
24:16as dealing with physical challenges.
24:18Yeah, so some prefer a differability.
24:21Well, ableism.
24:22If I had a dollar for every child whose parents had told me that they were on the spectrum,
24:26I'd be a rich man.
24:27Richer, man.
24:29It's a plague.
24:30The vaccines are sending all the kids bonkers.
24:32Yeah, it's not vaccines bonkers.
24:34Is that problematic?
24:35Nobody ever heard of panic attacks until this generation.
24:37Holy and rubella shots were all we had when I was a kid.
24:39Okay.
24:40Okay.
24:40Sorry.
24:41I can't partake in this anti-vax rhetoric, so for my mental health, I'll be outside.
24:49Blake, you started this.
24:52I didn't start anything.
24:54No, no, I'm asking you genuinely, please explain, Blake, what makes you think Amanda
24:59Taylor was neurodivergent?
25:01Well, her own boyfriend said she was odd, and the way she rubbed people up the wrong
25:06way.
25:07Right, so it was the victim's fault for getting herself murdered?
25:09No, that's not what he was saying.
25:11No, it was what he was saying.
25:11Even if she was a little socially awkward, at least she wasn't a fucking narcissist.
25:18Now, those people, they're really fucking awful.
25:21Oh, shit.
25:23Since when are we talking about narcissists?
25:26How come anyone can't express their opinion anymore without getting their head bitten off?
25:30Because no one asked for your opinion, Blake.
25:32Just shut up.
25:35Is it out there?
25:38What?
25:39Your sanity.
25:39They're nuts.
25:43I know.
25:44I know.
25:49You, uh, you okay?
25:52Yeah.
25:53About last night?
25:56Yeah.
25:56Yeah?
25:57Good.
25:59You?
25:59Oh, yeah.
26:01Fantastic.
26:06Maybe we can, uh, um, you know.
26:09Think about it again.
26:13Libby.
26:15I'll take it.
26:18Oh, she's not.
26:19She's crying over what I said.
26:20No, that's not why she's crying.
26:21You guys are all so fucked up.
26:24Being on this jury is so toxic.
26:26You're all a bunch of losers.
26:27You're...
26:27What does that mean?
26:28Bitch, turn the fucking hell.
26:31You're funny.
26:32You're funny.
26:33You can't keep it.
26:35What's going on?
26:42I don't know.
26:43I don't know.
26:44Calm it down.
26:45She was made up of a dead wife.
26:47Fair reference.
26:47I'm not saying.
26:49Why?
26:49Why?
26:50I'm on the ground.
26:50No.
26:51What do you think?
26:51Oh, wow.
26:52Don't, don't, don't.
26:53Calm down.
26:54Calm down.
26:56Calm down.
26:56Calm down.
26:56Calm down.
26:57Calm down.
26:57Calm down.
26:58Calm down.
26:58Calm down.
26:58Calm down.
26:59Calm down.
26:59Calm down.
27:00Calm down.
27:00Calm down.
27:00Calm down.
27:01Calm down.
27:01Calm down.
27:02You guys have so many fucking candidates.
27:04Okay, guys.
27:05Guys, shut up.
27:05Shh, shh.
27:06Shh.
27:07Shh.
27:07Shh.
27:08Guys, guys, guys, guys, guys.
27:10Guys.
27:14Oh.
27:18I'd like to clear the air about recent events, because I know that you're all curious and concerned.
27:24But Judge West has made a decision that we are going forward, and the details are not up for discussion.
27:30She knows that we don't.
27:32I'm sorry, Blake.
27:33Is there something you want to share?
27:34No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
27:35You're the one holding back, Sharon.
27:37Bleak.
27:37Bleak.
27:38Bleak.
27:39Sharon is doing a good job.
27:41You know the role of foreperson isn't a real job.
27:44The only difference between you and us is you deliver the verdict.
27:47I don't want to be in this position!
27:49If anyone else in this room would like to put up their hand and take over, be my guest.
27:57Anyone?
27:59We were this close to a mistrial.
28:03Going forward, I am proposing a total ban on jury interaction outside of court.
28:08Do we agree?
28:10Do we agree?
28:11Yes.
28:12Sharon.
28:13Good.
28:19Oh, right.
28:20Shoot.
28:21Sorry.
28:22Sorry.
28:23Excuse me.
28:24I need a coffee.
28:25Do you want one?
28:26What is with those two?
28:27I was the one that told Sharon everything, and now they're acting like buddy-buddy.
28:32Oh.
28:33It's weird.
28:34I've given up smoking.
28:35I've given up smoking.
28:36I've given up smoking.
28:37I've given up smoking.
28:38I've given up smoking.
28:44Same.
28:46Bye.
28:47I've given up smoking.
28:51Same.
28:53Thank you, by the way.
28:58Nothing to thank me for.
28:59Someone has to be the bad guy.
29:05Shh.
29:06Shh.
29:07Shh.
29:08Shh.
29:09Shh.
29:10Shh.
29:11Shh.
29:12Shh.
29:13You saw nothing.
29:14Shh.
29:15Shh.
29:16You saw nothing.
29:18Nothing to thank me for
29:22Someone has to be the bad guy
29:38You saw nothing
29:42You're right Alan
29:45They're fucking morons
29:48What do you think the judge will say
29:51Well fortunately in this instance
29:54Vincent Fraser
29:56Confirmed the girl's story, but Judge West could swing either way. I have no idea
30:02Jesus if they buggered it. It means I'll spend two years in lockup waiting for another trial
30:11Back on what we recommend 15
30:15Well, there's good news
30:18We appreciate the sacrifice each of you have made to be here
30:24The court knows this task places a burden on your personal lives
30:28Which is why so many make outlandish excuses to avoid it
30:32You're here because you have accepted the call to do your civic duty
30:37Your civic duty and should be approached with diligence and dedication
30:44Your voice determines the future of the defendant
30:48The evidence and arguments presented in this court should remain your only focus
30:55No matter how distracting interpersonal dynamics may be
30:58What do you see and hear matters?
31:03Your presence in this court matters
31:07Your presence in this court matters
31:11Is that understood?
31:12Yes, your honor
31:14Yes, your honor
31:15Thank you
31:16Shall we proceed?
31:18That's what you see
31:19Miss Padgett, when did you first meet Amanda Taylor?
31:49In January 2023, during a writer's convention.
31:55And what was the nature of your contact on that occasion?
31:59My dear, you should really sign some more books before we leave.
32:02I can't stay any longer, I don't feel safe.
32:04Oh dear, can you please sign this?
32:06Thanks for your support.
32:07Thank you so much.
32:10You should know that I have spoken to a lawyer.
32:14I think you've got your wise quest.
32:16I have grounds to sue for copyright infringement, idea theft.
32:19Idea theft.
32:20The Cape Rock case is on public record.
32:22It's my angle.
32:23He gave you my manuscript.
32:25I have nothing more to say to you.
32:29Hi.
32:31Answer me this then.
32:32How did you know who to speak to in my family?
32:36They're not on public record, as you put it.
32:38You wouldn't even know who they are.
32:44Thief.
32:50Thanks.
32:51Smile.
32:52Ah!
32:53Amanda confronted me about her rejected manuscript.
32:57She was very inappropriate and aggressive.
33:00Aggrieved too, I would imagine.
33:03Are you aware of the mystery nexus interview with Amanda Taylor in early 2023?
33:08I am.
33:10I'm currently pursuing a legal suit against the writer, Gia Pandit.
33:16I'm not going to sit back and let her take credit for my hard work.
33:22She is a liar and a thief.
33:26Did Amanda Taylor's accusations have an effect, do you think, on your reputation?
33:31She isn't someone people would take seriously, so, no.
33:37Not taken seriously, but nevertheless brutally murdered.
33:41Were those allegations substantive enough to make you angry?
33:51No.
33:52I wasn't angry.
33:54It was water for duck's back, to me.
33:56In March 2023, were you interviewed on Cold Cases Unpacked?
34:07Yes.
34:08Play Exhibit 21, please.
34:10So, moving on from your previous work.
34:12Earlier this year, you announced the title of your new book, Cape Rock Killing.
34:16Oh, I'd rather talk about something else, if that's all right.
34:20It must be tricky, right, given that this new up-and-coming writer, Amanda Taylor,
34:24has accused you of copyright theft, of plagiarism, and made legal threats against you as well.
34:30Look, I've responded to those claims in the appropriate forum.
34:34This woman wants to spread lies about me.
34:38It's her funeral.
34:41Would you say you were angry in that interview?
34:44No.
34:44I was annoyed with a lazy interviewer regurgitating irrelevant questions and not respecting my requests.
34:50Not because the allegations were correct.
34:52Now, let me, you say, I want to get this right, it's her funeral.
34:58Is that a threat, by the way?
35:01It was a figure of speech.
35:03Meaning, if she continued spreading malicious lies about me, she would suffer the legal consequences.
35:10My publisher took action.
35:12That is incorrect.
35:13Your publisher took no action.
35:15Did that make you angry?
35:16No.
35:18Amanda Taylor was a nobody in the publishing world.
35:21Her opinions were immaterial.
35:23Nobody, and yet brutally murdered.
35:26Do you consider yourself ambitious, Miss Pandit?
35:29In a healthy way, yes.
35:32You were described in a crime fiction interview by a fellow author, James Morrow, as a viciously ambitious sociopath.
35:39Do you know why Mr. Morrow claims that you are viciously sociopathic?
35:43Morrow's bitter.
35:45He's had it in for me ever since I won the Ned Kelly for Best True Crime, and he didn't.
35:50As an ambitious writer, would you stop at nothing to ensure that your reputation remained unblemished?
35:56Anything I would do would be through legal means only.
36:00So, finally, on her death, Ms. Taylor is silent.
36:06When you heard about her death, how did you feel?
36:09I felt terrible.
36:10No one should have to die that way.
36:13Are you writing a book about this case?
36:23No.
36:24Why not?
36:26I'm a witness in the trial.
36:27Well, her public hatred of me, many reasons.
36:33It would be tasteless to capitalise on her story.
36:36Tasteless, I agree.
36:37Exhibit 42, please.
36:40Now, this was captured on CCTV during this very trial outside this very courthouse.
36:47What were you doing out there?
36:48Observing, writing.
36:49I do it a lot.
36:50Writing, yes, in a notebook.
36:51Well, if the court subpoenaed that notebook, would we find references in there to anything
36:56pertaining to Ms. Taylor, or indeed, to this case?
37:00Yes.
37:01In case there's more to it in the future, but that doesn't mean I'll write a book about it.
37:05Right, so you can't rule out the possibility that you might capitalise in the future on Ms. Taylor's death.
37:11What I said is true.
37:13In case there's more to it...
37:14Oh, no, Ms. Pandit, can you rule out writing a book about Ms. Taylor?
37:18No.
37:20No.
37:21Now, would it be even more helpful for a crime writer to experience a murder at first hand?
37:27Oh, objection, Your Honour.
37:29My learned colleague is pushing his case theory beyond the bounds.
37:34I agree, Ms. Nichols, upheld.
37:36My apologies, Your Honour.
37:39Exhibit 43, please.
37:40Mr. Pandit, would you be good enough to read the highlighted section for the court, Bill?
37:48We know batterers suffocate their victims.
37:51In order to silence them, they may cover the victim's mouth or nose with their hands, a pillow, or a plastic bag.
37:58Where did this extract come from?
38:01From a published article online, which I quoted in my book.
38:05And you used this quote to explain the psychology of suffocation, yes?
38:09Yes.
38:10Killers suffocate their victims in order to silence them.
38:16Did you use a plastic bag to suffocate Ms. Taylor in order to silence her?
38:22No.
38:22I did nothing of the kind.
38:23Your Honour.
38:24Mr. Colby.
38:26No more questions, Your Honour.
38:33Your witness, Ms. Nichols.
38:34Ms. Pandit, in 2014, you were involved in a legal dispute with Jane York over your book, Deaths of a Rose.
38:46Is that correct?
38:47Yes.
38:48She claimed I stole material from her.
38:50She was very vocal about it on her podcast.
38:52Did she make similar public accusations as Amanda Taylor?
38:56She was more creative about it, but yes.
38:59I'll read.
39:01Gia Pandit is a thief and a fraud who has a pathological aversion to the truth.
39:07Ms. Pandit, is that what Ms. York said about you in her podcast?
39:11That and a whole lot more.
39:12I see.
39:13And how was this case resolved?
39:16I sued for defamation and we settled out of court.
39:18And in light of that, what is your relationship with Ms. York like now?
39:23Objection, Your Honour.
39:24I've failed to see the relevance of my learned colleague's line of questioning.
39:27Ms. Nichols?
39:28Your Honour, Mr. Colby appears to be putting the witness on trial.
39:31If Ms. Pandit has experienced similar altercations as she did with Ms. Taylor in the past,
39:35then it provides context and perspective.
39:39I like that answer, Ms. Nichols.
39:41The state may continue.
39:43Thank you, Your Honour.
39:44Ms. Pandit, what is your relationship with Ms. York like now?
39:47We're on good terms.
39:48It was a long time ago and eventually she realised several people could be working on the same story.
39:53It happens.
39:54I'm sure Amanda Taylor would have come to the same conclusion.
39:57Given time, I'm sure.
40:00Ms. Pandit, just to be crystal clear,
40:04after your altercations with Ms. York, you did not murder her, did you?
40:12No, I didn't.
40:14Thank you for your help, Ms. Pandit.
40:16No further questions, Your Honour.
40:18So, where do you think our John's fled to?
40:28Oh, Cayman Islands.
40:30That's helpful.
40:32Beth.
40:34Everything all right?
40:35Yeah.
40:36Yeah, but I did think I should mention that on my call with Alan last night, he brought up that he's concerned that we're a bit close since he's been in remand.
40:52Fuck's sake.
40:52Yeah.
40:56He's isolated.
40:59Well, it happens.
41:00Yeah.
41:01It's the trial.
41:02He's going out of his mind.
41:03Yeah.
41:03Well, he's not the only one.
41:05I'm still bloody angry.
41:06Oh, God.
41:11For fuck's sake.
41:12Who's going to believe the crime writer did it?
41:14I mean, take a look at her.
41:16She doesn't look the type.
41:18What were you thinking?
41:20Actually, there is no type.
41:23You think I'm the best suspect, don't you?
41:33You are the best suspect, Alan.
41:35And that is why you are on trial.
41:38And that is why I broke poor Nina's back tracking down John Dalamore.
41:43Well, you've just got to work fucking harder.
41:49I am doing everything I can.
41:53And you need to start getting your shit together.
41:56You need to start thinking straight.
41:58And you need to start trusting people.
42:01Do you understand me?
42:02So, this is what I said.
42:14Okay.
42:15There's no pressure to come home right away.
42:18When you're ready to talk, I'll be here.
42:21Love.
42:22Comma.
42:23Dad.
42:25Full stop.
42:27Do you reckon it's good?
42:28Mm-hmm.
42:29Mm-hmm.
42:30She'll respond, do you reckon?
42:31Oh, she may not respond right away, but, um, I'm sure she will eventually.
42:38All right.
42:39Yeah.
42:40So let me know if there's anything I can do to help.
42:42Okay?
42:43You can be my proof, yeah.
42:46Sure.
42:47I'm an expert.
42:48I can do that.
42:50Yeah.
42:50Mm-hmm.
42:54Hey, when the trial is over, I'll proofread anything you want.
43:01Okay.
43:11Okay.
43:14You're writing a book on Amanda Taylor.
43:17I can't wait to read that.
43:18Piss off, Phil.
43:20Touchy.
43:20My next book's about a crime writer who murdered a fucking publisher.
43:28Gold.
43:28Gold.
43:35Mina!
43:36Hey!
43:36Mina!
43:37Mina!
43:38Um, when you said it's not promising about John, uh, what do you mean?
43:44We don't have John.
43:46Full stop.
43:47No, John, they don't have a witness.
44:00They're dead in the water.
44:01Yes.
44:03High five, whatever.
44:05All right.
44:07Let's get our closing address singing, Charlie boy.
44:11Can you please stop calling me Charlie boy?
44:13No.
44:17Tiggs?
44:25Tiggs?
44:47I was expecting your signature sorry working late text.
45:08No, not today.
45:10Is there anything you're taking?
45:11Yeah, the rest is in here.
45:16Brett Colby?
45:18Yes.
45:19I'm John Dallimore.
45:22John Dallimore?
45:27Xavier, why don't you take the car?
45:28I'll meet you there, all right?
45:31Sure.
45:33I hope I haven't come at a bad time.
45:35No, it's a good time, John.
45:38I hope I haven't taken the car.
45:41I hope you haven't come.
45:45I hope I haven't come.
45:55I hope I haven't come.
45:57I hope you haven't come.
45:58I'll meet you.
46:00I'll meet you later.
46:01I'll meet you later.
46:02Ahh!
46:04Ahh!
46:10Alan, no!
46:32I don't know what that show's saying.
46:35I don't know what that show's saying.
46:36Yeah, they go.
46:40I'm not a little angry at all.
46:42Oh, my God.
46:45Oh, yeah.
46:48I don't know.
46:50Uh-oh, yeah.
46:52Oh, yeah.
46:56Okay.
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