00:00So I'm interested to hear, when you met John Wayne and you met Shaq, there was some kind of similarity
00:05there, I guess.
00:06Well, just that suddenly my hand looked like I was five years old.
00:09And Shaq's is bigger than the Dukes.
00:11He was a big man, but even then, outsized hands.
00:14He could easily palm a basketball, no problem.
00:17And I'm not sure people know this much about you, but you're quite the basketball player.
00:20I was officially the assistant, but I was really the head coach.
00:24Hey, man, I even got thrown out of some games.
00:26Oh, wow, yeah, you're feisty.
00:28I wanted my boys to get a fair shake out there.
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