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Women in Africa are being silenced, abused — and fighting back. This week's show looks at gender‑based violence from East to West Africa, and the historic political gains women are making in Namibia.
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00:05Whenever we have a viral video, it's always about people beating women.
00:10That's right. An example is this debate I did in Uganda a few months ago.
00:15Me, I think it's fine to beat a woman.
00:19You think it's fine to beat a woman?
00:21Yes.
00:22Why? Because a woman is a punching bag?
00:24No, she's not a punching bag. But when you're dating, I start becoming too optimistic with her.
00:32And I start feeling I want to settle with her. Then she starts doing some wrong things.
00:38So you're trying to discipline her?
00:40For me, I think that I'm just putting her in line.
00:43Don't you feel there's another way you could do that without being physically violent towards her?
00:48When you do something wrong, I just keep shut for like several times. And when it becomes too much, I
00:56have to discipline you.
00:58Yes, the police has something to say to that.
01:00I totally object. Violence against any person is criminal in Uganda. And we have laws punishing violence.
01:07But well, he was not alone on that panel. We heard from survivors of gender-based violence as well.
01:12And today we'll take a deep dive into how far we've come in attaining a gender-equal world free of
01:17violence.
01:22But this is a global problem. In fact, one in every three women in the world has experienced GBV.
01:29And you know what's striking? Even some men admit they've committed gender-based violence against women in the past.
01:37Have you been violent towards any woman before?
01:41Yes, I did.
01:43And what did you do to the woman?
01:45We got into one and we fought together. So when I beat the girl, but now I'm regretting why I
01:52did that.
01:53Because I thought that it's not really proper for me to beat the girl.
01:56So there's that. But let's also hear from survivors themselves.
02:00In Kenya, Gatoni Kimuyu, a highly acclaimed screenwriter, tells us how domestic violence affected her marriage,
02:07eventually leading her to walk away.
02:10It was around 10 p.m. and I was now about to head home.
02:15And my phone couldn't stop ringing.
02:17And when I picked up, it was my husband and he was yelling.
02:21He was really yelling and he couldn't understand why I was out past 10 p.m.
02:27And I paid the taxi. I got out.
02:30And when I just got into the compound, all of my clothes had been thrown outside.
02:35And I started to pack my things and he pulled me and he said, you're not going anywhere.
02:40Get in the house.
02:41And that's the first time he beat me up.
02:44Yeah.
02:46You must have been very confused.
02:48I was. I was very, very confused.
02:50I did not understand what was happening.
02:58She's grateful that I left while we were still alive.
03:02So it's a little difficult, obviously, because that's her father.
03:07But that's the reality. That's our reality.
03:11Ah.
03:13It hurts.
03:15It hurts because a lot of times when I retell this story,
03:20I have this thing in my head where I keep asking,
03:23so why didn't I leave the first time?
03:25Why didn't I leave the first time?
03:27I couldn't believe that I went through that,
03:30that I allowed myself to see through the pain and the agony
03:34and all of that violence without doing anything about it.
03:37No!
03:39No!
03:40No!
03:42Ah!
03:44Ah!
03:47Mom!
03:48Mom!
03:50It's actually really sad. It's quite heartbreaking.
03:53That scene we just saw,
03:56ah,
03:58it feels like I'm reliving that moment again.
04:01Only now,
04:03I'm not in,
04:05I can't say I'm in any type of pain,
04:07but sometimes I feel disappointment
04:10that I went out seeking love, marriage, a husband,
04:14and this is what came.
04:17It's crazy, right?
04:18It's crazy, crazy.
04:19I mean, when you look at our region in Sub-Saharan Africa,
04:22the number of people that experienced intimate partner violence in 2015,
04:27that's about some 10 years ago,
04:29was around 48 million.
04:31That is expected to triple by 2060.
04:35We're talking about 140 million people
04:39can experience intimate partner violence in 2060.
04:44So it's not getting better.
04:45It's only getting worse.
04:47Yeah, and the problem comes in
04:48when people try to actually report these issues.
04:51And for example, in Kenya,
04:53we do know that from 2025 to,
04:55from 2022 to 2025,
04:57a lot of people,
04:58because it was post-COVID,
05:00reported that they have undergone gender-based violence.
05:02And there's a lot of harmful depictions
05:05with regards to gender-based violence
05:07from a traditional perspective.
05:08For example, in African countries,
05:10mostly bride price is seen as a way for an abuser
05:14to take advantage of you
05:15because the man would say,
05:17oh, I've paid your bride price,
05:18then I can own you,
05:19then I can make you go through this.
05:21And women have had this problem,
05:23like they can't really get away from their marriages
05:25because they experience this kind of behavior.
05:28And a bride price is not supposed to give that kind of impression.
05:30You know, it's more like a gift showing
05:32that you have the means to cater and care for this person.
05:36So how long does it have to take
05:38before, you know,
05:39something gets to be done about women?
05:41When you take the case of Uganda,
05:43we're talking about 90% of women
05:45have faced either physical or sexual violence, 90%.
05:48And you'll be surprised to know that there are laws,
05:51you know, that are serving as a deterrent.
05:54They have their penal code,
05:55they have the Domestic Violence Act of 2010.
05:58But I was curious to know,
06:00what do the women think about these laws?
06:02And that was one question I posed to them
06:04during our debate on gender-based violence in Uganda there.
06:08Do you think the people,
06:10the Ugandan people,
06:11have trust in the justice system?
06:13No, we do not have trust in the justice system,
06:17to be honest.
06:18In previous years,
06:19we've seen how government
06:21has been at the forefront
06:24of, you know, victimizing women themselves.
06:27In what ways?
06:28For example, there was the Anti-Pornography Act.
06:32It was repealed,
06:33but it was also called the Miniscart Bill.
06:38When this bill was signed into law,
06:43so many women were victims of harassment.
06:46Because at that point,
06:48it was looked at as, you know,
06:50you literally going against what,
06:54going against the laws
06:55to dress the way you want.
06:57I believe the man's priority
07:00is based on controlling women,
07:03women in this era.
07:04Because they feel like,
07:06if I'm not controlling a woman,
07:08then I'm not a man.
07:09In the Ugandan setting,
07:10we are so shameful to come forward
07:12to talk about these things,
07:14and we have that fear of judgment.
07:16Even in marriages,
07:17there are some violence that happens,
07:20like rape.
07:21Some men believe that there is no rape
07:23when you're married.
07:24We don't have a criminal offense
07:26named marital rape.
07:28Okay.
07:28We are trying to have it
07:30under the bill that is before parliament.
07:32And I'll just come here now
07:34to the ladies.
07:35What do you have to say to that?
07:36There are most cases whereby
07:38the society,
07:39it prepares women to be good women,
07:42but doesn't prepare the boys
07:43to be good men.
07:44So now there's an healthiness relationship.
07:49Deep, Fatou.
07:50That was really deep.
07:52You know, we talked about the issue itself,
07:54but also what happens
07:55when women report cases.
07:56In Uganda,
07:58about 10% of the cases
07:59that are reported to the police
08:01never reached a court.
08:02Sometimes the delays in justice themselves,
08:05for example, in Kenya,
08:06there's the Sexual Offenders Act.
08:07It tries to make the perpetrator
08:10or the offender
08:11try to reintegrate into society
08:13after they've gone to jail,
08:15which to me,
08:16that is completely absurd
08:18because like,
08:19who are we protecting?
08:20Are we protecting the victim
08:21or are we protecting the person
08:22who perpetrated?
08:23Yeah.
08:24So society somehow exonerates perpetrators
08:26and that exactly speaks to
08:28what they were talking about there.
08:30The blame game also,
08:31you know,
08:31our society is built in such a way
08:33that it's always about the woman.
08:35Why did you go there?
08:36Why did you wear that?
08:38The stigma.
08:38What did you do?
08:39Yeah.
08:39That led to him beating you.
08:41So if you pose those kind of questions,
08:43it somehow shows that you are
08:45justifying the abuse in the first place.
08:48And that's exactly what should not have happened.
08:49So we must emphasise,
08:51and someone said it there in the debate,
08:53the shame is on the perpetrator,
08:56not the survivor.
08:57Exactly.
08:57You know,
08:57if the woman wearing,
08:59Rachel wearing what she's wearing,
09:00Fata wearing what she's wearing,
09:01does not warrant her being raped
09:04or speaking in a certain manner,
09:06does not warrant her being beaten up.
09:08We have to always ask the men,
09:10what's your role in this?
09:11If she's dressing like that,
09:13then maybe you should lower your gaze.
09:14Because even men should lower their gaze
09:16as well in my religion.
09:17Also, like,
09:18why should we be concerned
09:19about what we're wearing?
09:21Yes.
09:21The Lord should actually protect women.
09:23Yeah.
09:23You know,
09:24in a time when women,
09:25we come even from societies
09:26that are very, you know,
09:27matriarchal, matrilineal.
09:28What happened to that
09:29when the woman was always allowed
09:31to, you know, be, for example?
09:32You know,
09:32it wasn't about how the woman was wearing.
09:34I mean,
09:34if it's the question of even chastity, right?
09:37Men should also remain chast
09:40until they're married.
09:41This is what we understand also in religion
09:43because most of them will use that, right?
09:45So why is it that it is okay
09:47for men to be promiscuous?
09:49Their promiscuity is somehow seen as a norm.
09:52But when women find themselves in situations,
09:54for example,
09:55they've been raped,
09:56you know,
09:57you always have to ask them,
09:58why did you go there?
09:59Why did you do X, Y, and Z?
10:00It's so serious
10:01that women had to build safe spaces
10:03for themselves,
10:04like we see in this report
10:06here in Nigeria.
10:08And I wouldn't be surprised.
10:09Here in the Mokoko community of Lagos,
10:11Faith Ogbonna is turning her pain into purpose.
10:15Women in this room
10:16are survivors of gender-based violence,
10:18including Faith.
10:19She has dedicated her life
10:21to educating and supporting women
10:23who feel trapped,
10:24helping them reclaim their voices.
10:27Gender-based violence
10:28are in different forms.
10:30And the majority of the times,
10:31it has to be with people very close to you.
10:34People that should protect you
10:35are not the ones hurting you.
10:37Faith's work,
10:38and that of others like her,
10:39is a beacon of hope
10:40in the battle
10:41to stop gender-based violence.
10:43According to the World Health Organization,
10:45one in three women worldwide
10:46will experience physical or sexual abuse
10:48in their lifetime.
10:50A staggering reality.
10:51I was raped from the age of five
10:53till I was 17.
10:57And from, ranging from cousins
10:59to uncles to nephews to aunties,
11:03I had gang rape.
11:05And it was a bitter experience
11:08because it happened right under my father's roof.
11:12If Sea Hope can bring me out of the darkness,
11:15I can do the same to all the people.
11:18The Centre for Children's Health,
11:20Education, Orientation and Protection,
11:23or Sea Hope,
11:24is one of four privately-owned shelters in Lagos.
11:27Founded by journalist Betty Abba in 2013,
11:30the NGO provides refuge
11:31for survivors of abuse like Vivian.
11:36My mum died nine years ago
11:39and my mum, the other sister, came to pick her up.
11:42So this faithful day,
11:44Azra came back at night.
11:47He came to our room,
11:48so he raped me.
11:50Kept on molesting me for three good years,
11:53since when I was 12.
11:55My cousin called some of the policemen at her site.
12:01We went to the police station
12:02and they detained him
12:09and now he's still in the court.
12:13Many children in this community centre
12:15experience violence and trauma.
12:17They are taught skills,
12:19counselled and educated
12:20about gender-based violence.
12:21The hope is to end the cycle of violence.
12:24I want girls who are being abused
12:26to come out of their shells,
12:28out of the darkness.
12:29I want them to have a life,
12:32the life they've always dreamed of.
12:34Because in this trauma,
12:36they can have that life.
12:38Symbolising unity and resilience,
12:41cultural dance is integrated
12:42into today's campaign for the children,
12:45drawing more children in
12:46and making it a memorable day.
12:48But the fight is far from over.
12:54Indeed, the fight is far from over,
12:56especially when you look at other countries.
12:58They have, for example,
12:59indigenous people in Kenya,
13:01they have their own safe spaces
13:02where men are not allowed to get in.
13:04Very good.
13:05Exactly.
13:07I mean, no, no, yeah.
13:08But, you know, this is important.
13:10Community is very important
13:11in preventing the abuse,
13:13but also supporting survivors
13:15in the first place.
13:16So, but, you know,
13:17because this is how we're supposed
13:18to look at it.
13:19Instead of victimising survivors
13:21and making them look like villains,
13:23we should indeed empower them
13:24and support, you know, their stories.
13:26And we should not leave them
13:28at the mercy of perpetrators
13:30who walk freely in the streets
13:32and, you know, amplify their voices
13:34and their own versions of their story
13:35at the detriment of these survivors.
13:38What can women do?
13:39Should we take a self-defence class?
13:42I was joking to Fatu the other day.
13:43A taekwondo class.
13:44Maybe I should go to Kung Fu
13:45and cha-ta, you know.
13:46But this is not a laughing matter, actually,
13:48because there's a,
13:49there's a Ugandan man-beater
13:50that's been trending on TikTok.
13:52So I recently started a business
13:54where I beat men.
13:56So you are in a violent relationship.
13:59This boyfriend is trying to scam you.
14:01You're confused about him.
14:03He's cheating on you.
14:04I have a group of people
14:06that I work with
14:07to, like, beat them back into, like, shape.
14:10Wake me up at midnight
14:11to beat a man.
14:13Please.
14:14Please.
14:14Give me the opportunity.
14:15So I have a goal.
14:17In all this, I have a goal.
14:18I want to be able to beat
14:19at least a thousand men by 2027.
14:23No.
14:24So you see,
14:24the frustration in justice there is imminent.
14:27Like, women are taking it
14:28into their own hands now.
14:29We've seen this.
14:30I mean, I saw a video not long,
14:32a video circulating from Cameroon, actually,
14:34where a community of women
14:36came together to beat this particular man
14:38because he's known to be beating his wife
14:40all the time.
14:41And the man came out with a machete.
14:42Someone had to disarm him
14:43before the women took to, you know,
14:45beating him again with their sticks and stones.
14:47But when we had a debate in Zambia as well
14:50on this issue of child marriage,
14:51one woman was talking, like,
14:53we need to castrate men when they rape women.
14:56So you see some of these extreme ideas
14:58that women are coming up with
14:59because somehow, somehow, somewhere,
15:02someone is not really, you know,
15:04protecting them in the way that they should.
15:05Yeah, exactly.
15:07And it doesn't mean that the more money you have,
15:09the more immune you are to experiencing violence.
15:13For example, the 77% did a documentary
15:16where they documented, you know,
15:18Alice Chebby's journey,
15:19who she experienced gender-based violence
15:22in such a way that it was very demanding.
15:23Guys, please go and watch that on YouTube.
15:26But this is not just an athlete thing.
15:28Singers, famous people,
15:29have also said that they've experienced
15:31gender-based violence.
15:32And sometimes status can even be worse.
15:35It can make them be very, very prone
15:37to experiencing these things.
15:39Exactly.
15:39So in light of this,
15:40what do women think about having men in their lives?
15:43We want to hear from them.
15:44So over to Favour in Nigeria.
15:46Hi, Rachel.
15:48Hi, Fatu.
15:49Sure, I can ask some people here.
15:51So I am in Lagos, Nigeria,
15:52on the streets of Lagos, Nigeria.
15:55Hi.
15:55Can I ask you a very quick question?
15:57For you personally,
15:58you would say you don't need a man.
16:01Like, let's forget what your parents say
16:03you don't need a man.
16:04I don't.
16:04I don't.
16:05I really don't.
16:06I say I don't.
16:07I don't because I'm very happy
16:10with my money,
16:11with the way I still am.
16:12I don't need a man for assistance.
16:14Women need men.
16:16And men need women.
16:18It goes both ways.
16:19And if you have a man,
16:20it's just like to add to your happiness,
16:21not your main source of happiness.
16:23So I don't think you need a man
16:24to have a stable life per se.
16:26We both need children.
16:27The reason why there's X and Y chromosomes,
16:28we are both needed to create like a human.
16:31So it's very needed.
16:32We both need men and men need us.
16:36Exactly.
16:37We both need each other.
16:38You know, we saw the score,
16:40two, two.
16:40At the end of the day,
16:41it's X, Y, X, X.
16:43You know, but sometimes
16:45when you look at these things,
16:46these conversations
16:47also have to involve men
16:49because I was looking at a TikTok video
16:50and this guy borrowed Chimamanda's idea
16:52where we should involve men
16:54in talking about these topics
16:55that involve gender-based violence
16:57because sometimes it's really hard
16:59when we just talk to women.
17:00We train them.
17:01We tell them,
17:01you know, when you grow up,
17:02this is how you're supposed to be
17:03in case a man misbehaves.
17:05But we don't talk to men
17:06in the same way.
17:08This idea of when women say,
17:09oh, we don't need a man,
17:11men sometimes misinterpret it,
17:13especially in the African context,
17:14to mean that they hate us,
17:16they don't want us.
17:17But I think it's very, very different,
17:18this idea of, well,
17:20they're being brainwashed
17:20by the West.
17:21Western women have their own problems
17:23that they're dealing with.
17:24They have so many problems.
17:25African women.
17:26We also have our own.
17:27African women have their own problems.
17:29So it will be unfair
17:31to bring these two together.
17:34We are talking about issues of FGM,
17:37women not being able.
17:38Child marriage.
17:38Yeah, women not being able
17:39to go to school
17:40because of child marriage.
17:42So when we look at all these issues
17:43and the people perpetuating
17:45these very problems
17:46that these women are facing,
17:47you have men
17:48at the forefront of it.
17:50So this is what we're trying
17:51to address when we say
17:53what exactly can be done
17:55when these people come together
17:56to sit on one table,
17:57have equal opportunities,
17:59have the same voice
18:00when it comes to matters
18:00affecting their lives.
18:02This is what exactly we mean,
18:04you know.
18:04Exactly.
18:05But we also sent Eyo in Nigeria
18:08who went to find out
18:09what men exactly think.
18:11It's actually cowardly
18:13for you to lay your hands
18:14on a woman.
18:16You're a coward.
18:16I see them as cowards.
18:18Have you ever beaten a woman before?
18:21No, no, no.
18:22So do you think
18:23it is right to beat a woman?
18:24No, it's not right to beat a woman.
18:25Why would you beat a woman?
18:28I feel like anybody
18:29that's beaten a woman
18:30should literally work on themselves.
18:32Over my dead body,
18:33will I beat a woman?
18:35Where I grew up from?
18:36Beating a woman
18:37is a bad thing one.
18:39At the same time,
18:40when you look at it
18:41from your own religious view
18:42and at the same time
18:43from your own background
18:46about who a woman is.
18:48That really tells us
18:49maybe when you beat a woman
18:51you feel bad about it
18:52or you feel good.
18:52But it's something very bad.
18:54Interesting.
18:54A woman is just like us.
18:56So the moment you start
18:57raising your hand
18:58to beat a woman,
18:59definitely you are
19:00insulting yourself
19:01because that's what
19:02they call gender equality.
19:03Although I'm not a pro-feminist,
19:04but I just believe
19:06in equality of rights,
19:07equality of duties
19:09and equality of gender.
19:11Indeed.
19:12We need to incorporate men
19:13and men also said it.
19:15It's not right to beat a woman.
19:16So do not raise your hand
19:18on a woman,
19:19especially if you're a man.
19:20But Fatou,
19:21I mean we come from societies
19:22that have always,
19:23like I said before,
19:24matriarchal, matrilineal.
19:25Women were involved
19:26in decision making,
19:28representation.
19:28For example,
19:29if you look at
19:29the Asante Kingdom,
19:31queen mothers were there
19:32making choices
19:33about what is happening
19:34in the courts,
19:35what is happening
19:36with regards to abuse
19:37and all of these things.
19:38We had Quinn Zinger as well.
19:41I mean those are
19:42very great examples,
19:43but it's just the way
19:44that life is supposed to be.
19:46I mean someone mentioned it,
19:48culture, religion,
19:49and it does not mean
19:50that women hate men.
19:52It is saying that
19:52women's problems
19:53are very specific
19:55and we need to look at it
19:57from a feminist lens
19:59so that the equality
20:01can be sustainable.
20:02So I think those are things
20:03we always have to look at.
20:05And we always have to
20:05joke around and say
20:06there's African countries
20:07obviously that are doing well.
20:08Fatou always likes to reference
20:10some country that we know
20:11but I thought
20:12there's African countries
20:14that are doing well
20:15and Namibia
20:16is doing something different.
20:19We can do it.
20:20And yes, Namibia did.
20:22From electing
20:22its first woman president
20:23to woman holding
20:24nearly half the seat
20:25in the National Assembly
20:27in Namibia,
20:27women literally rule.
20:29Go run the world.
20:30Girl.
20:30In fact,
20:31it's the only African country
20:32to rank in the top 10
20:33of the World Economic Forum
20:35Global Gender Gap Report
20:36thanks largely
20:37to its deliberate
20:38inclusive leadership strategy.
20:40But how did Namibia get here?
20:41On March 21st, 2025,
20:43Namibia made history
20:45by inaugurating all women
20:46in its top leadership positions.
20:48Netumbo Nanindaitwa
20:49as its first woman president.
20:51Lucia Vetboy
20:52was appointed vice president.
20:54And Sara Kungonguela Amadila
20:55became the first woman
20:56to lead parliament.
20:58According to stats
20:58from UN Women,
20:59Namibia's National Assembly
21:01includes 44 women
21:02out of 104 members.
21:04That's 42.3% representation.
21:07And young women
21:07are also represented.
21:09Information Minister
21:10Emma Teofilis
21:11was first appointed
21:12at age 23
21:13as deputy minister
21:14while 32-year-old
21:15Esperant Sleviando
21:16now serves
21:17as health minister.
21:18But these wins
21:19didn't happen overnight.
21:21In 2014,
21:23Namibia introduced
21:23the Zepra system.
21:25A bold 50-50 gender policy
21:27adopted by the ruling party,
21:28swap-off.
21:29It requires alternating
21:30male and female candidates
21:31on party lists
21:32and leadership structures.
21:34In simple terms,
21:34it means if the woman
21:35is a minister,
21:36the man is the deputy
21:38and vice versa,
21:39a built-in balance.
21:40At the time,
21:41analysts noted
21:42that as women gain power,
21:43they're better placed
21:44to compete for positions
21:45that are traditionally
21:46dominated by men.
21:47Because politic
21:48and economic incentives
21:49shifts
21:49when representation shifts.
21:51Funny how that works.
21:52But despite this progress,
21:54challenges still remain.
21:56Out of 42 newly sworn-in
21:57National Council members,
21:59only 7 are women.
22:00It's a slight improvement
22:01of only 14%
22:02in the previous House.
22:04Representation at regional
22:05and constituency levels
22:06still lags behind.
22:07But beyond politics,
22:08there are still gaps
22:09in unpaid care
22:10and domestic work,
22:11as well as key
22:12labor market indicators
22:14such as gender pay gap
22:15and ICT skills,
22:16among others.
22:17Laws like the
22:18Married Persons Equality Act
22:19or the Communal Land Reform Act
22:21are helping dismantle
22:22long-standing inequalities.
22:24But legislation
22:26is just one step.
22:29Namibia's progress is real,
22:31but lasting equality
22:32requires not just representation,
22:34but deeper transformation
22:35in social norms
22:36and economic opportunities.
22:38And power at the local level,
22:39not just at the top.
22:41I mean,
22:42I think we've passed the point
22:43where we are now
22:44even saying equality.
22:45It is to say,
22:46what are we doing
22:47about it now?
22:48Because countries are indeed
22:48doing something about it.
22:50I mean,
22:51in African context,
22:52this is not supposed
22:53to be an option.
22:54We need it
22:54for our countries
22:55to survive, you know?
22:57Yeah, we do.
22:57And you know,
22:58Angari Mathai,
22:59who is a Nobel laureate,
23:00she said that
23:00the higher you go,
23:01the fewer women there are.
23:02Because every time,
23:03you know,
23:04something happens,
23:05women are the most affected.
23:06If war breaks out,
23:07if, you know,
23:08something tragic happens,
23:10women are always the ones
23:11who are taking the toll.
23:13Yeah, it's a question
23:13of survival
23:14and we've seen it
23:15when women are empowered,
23:16when they're educated,
23:18they make better decisions
23:19for their lives,
23:20the lives of their families,
23:21but also for their community
23:22and the country as a whole.
23:24Other countries
23:25are really doing well.
23:26For example,
23:26I mean,
23:26Namibia is exceptional,
23:28the president and the vice.
23:29That's,
23:29they're all women.
23:30Look at Rwanda,
23:32you are talking about 61%
23:34of women in parliament.
23:35So they've achieved parity.
23:36Yeah,
23:37but Fatou,
23:37I also have a question,
23:38you know,
23:38what happened to the wife beater?
23:41What happened at the end?
23:43Because like,
23:43what happened to him?
23:44Because he was talking
23:45about a cop there.
23:46When a cop was there,
23:47sorry.
23:47You know what?
23:48He did change his mind.
23:49Okay,
23:50let's see.
23:51Dool Nasir has something to say.
23:53Have you changed your mind
23:54or are you still
23:55maintaining your stance?
23:56Yes,
23:57I've changed my mind.
23:58Oh yeah,
23:59he's changed his mind.
24:01Okay.
24:01Right now,
24:02according to their opinions,
24:03I want to become a good man.
24:06Okay,
24:07that's good to know.
24:09I want her to become my friend.
24:11The event club.
24:12But you have to,
24:13in person.
24:14Ladies,
24:14you have to show us
24:15your original behaviors.
24:17And do you think
24:17communication can help in this?
24:19Yes,
24:20it's good.
24:21So now you will communicate
24:22instead of instilling
24:24fear and fighting.
24:25Yes,
24:25I can change.
24:26I think that's a good thing
24:28that we,
24:29in the end,
24:30if we're able to educate
24:31just one man,
24:32you know.
24:32I think sometimes
24:33it's about education as well.
24:35But the question is
24:35whether people are willing
24:36to change.
24:37And in the end,
24:37violence can never be justice.
24:39You know,
24:40there's no such thing
24:40as an eye for an eye
24:41as people did say.
24:43And also,
24:43please,
24:44if you've experienced
24:44gender-based violence,
24:46seek help
24:46and also seek therapy.
24:48Yeah,
24:48we should be more compassionate.
24:50The world is really
24:51going through a lot
24:53right now
24:53and the last thing
24:54we want is
24:55families breaking,
24:56partners breaking up
24:57just because of
24:58lack of communication
24:59or because one person
25:00feels they have
25:01more power
25:02over the other.
25:03So please,
25:04please,
25:04please,
25:04let's continue
25:05this conversation
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25:13like we like to do.
25:15Exactly.
25:16Please go there
25:17now,
25:17now,
25:17now,
25:17now.
25:18Do that right now.
25:19We've come to the end
25:20of the show.
25:21My name is Fatou Elika Meloshi
25:22and I am Rachel Ndwarzi.
25:24Until next time,
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