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Mobland Full - S1E3 - Plan B
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00:00Morning lads, what are we doing?
00:03I see, is that for me?
00:05The first time someone points a gun at you, you might think,
00:07oh, you know, it's a different experience.
00:10But when you've had guns pointed at you all the time
00:12and you're using guns, you don't worry about guns,
00:15you don't flinch about guns.
00:16My name's Stephen Gillan.
00:17I had a long, unfortunate history in organised crime.
00:21Serving many sentences, one being 17 years
00:24in high security prison as a Category A prisoner.
00:27Today I am going to react to Mobland
00:31so we can lift the curtain behind what is really going on.
00:36I appreciate the relationship between the Dohans
00:38and the Lazarus goes back more than three decades.
00:42I appreciate that it's an ecosystem
00:43spanning North and East London.
00:46It's quite lifelike in a sense
00:48because there are meetings that go on, you know,
00:51like this all the time.
00:52And there is a hierarchy of people.
00:55But you have to understand this is all based on money.
00:57And as he says, revenue streams.
00:59And for me, a thing that I picked up there is, you know,
01:02he said, everyone's been together.
01:04We've known each other for three decades.
01:06But then the scheme of things, this means absolutely nothing.
01:11You know, it can all end in a second.
01:14So the message really for me in this is what I know,
01:17is that there are no honour amongst thieves.
01:20There are codes of conduct that they can be done away with
01:24and shifted to fit any cause or on a needs must basis.
01:32As we see here.
01:33You plant the trees.
01:35The trees grow tall.
01:38And sooner or later, they begin to get mangled.
01:42It's pruning time.
01:43I love this analogy about the trees, planting the trees,
01:48and the trees grow tall.
01:49You know, what he's talking about there is about the money,
01:52it's about the growth, it's about the power of people.
01:55Because that's what, you know, that's what happens.
01:57That's what people go into this life.
01:59But of course, they can never really enjoy that money or that status
02:04if they think there is a status involved in this.
02:06This is a very dark life.
02:07You're always looking over your shoulder, it's who catches who first.
02:12You know, and there's no winners in it.
02:13Another part that's not really right about this is,
02:17when they go in and they take them all out,
02:19that would never really happen in them circumstances.
02:22It would happen, but in a different way.
02:25But it wouldn't happen as a mass kind of execution like that.
02:29People would be allowed to leave.
02:30It would be a lot more tricky and a lot more positioned than that.
02:34But then certain people, I'm sure, if it was bad enough,
02:37or they fell out, they couldn't come to an agreement about stuff,
02:40will be picked off one by one.
02:42That's the only difference and part that's not authentic
02:46that I see in this, but very well done.
02:49Once upon a time, there was this girl, nice girl, pretty girl, glossy hair.
03:00Anyway, she went to this school, nice school, private school, proper school.
03:05I love this scene in it because there's so much going on here.
03:09Organised crime and a life of organised crime really is about signs.
03:13It's what you're saying but not saying.
03:15What is unsaid is more powerful than usually, in my view, than what is said.
03:19But sometimes when you're trying to relay a message just like that, like a threat,
03:24it would be veiled in a certain kind of a way.
03:28But the meaning and the consequences of what you're saying are very evident.
03:33So it translates that really, really well.
03:36He's threatening his family saying,
03:38look, you don't do what we want, how you want, and you mess around with us.
03:44This is going to happen.
03:45It's going to be very bad, but this is how it's going to be bad for you.
03:48And, of course, the other part of it is it's all about leverage.
03:51What's the biggest leverage?
03:53What does Harry value the most?
03:55His daughter, his family.
03:58So they go right for the throat.
03:59They go right for the jugular.
04:01And that's what it's about.
04:03It's about leverage.
04:05But it's another example, especially nowadays, where there are no codes of conduct.
04:11You know, families, mothers, daughters, whatever, really, in the cold light of day are fair game.
04:19If you enter a life like this, the more entrenched and the more dark and the more down the path
04:24you become,
04:25if you live a life like this, these are the outcomes.
04:30Morning, lads. What are we doing?
04:34I see. Is that for me?
04:36We're shooting families now.
04:37Another great scene. Mobland is littered with them.
04:40There's so much going on because you've got the connotations of family.
04:44You know, the translation between defining normal family, as in normal family, kids, mother, spouse, all that,
04:53to an organised crime family.
04:56The loughties, the obligations and all that come with that are really interesting in this.
05:00I think he's done it very, very well.
05:03Harry's character here, obviously his family are threatened now.
05:06He knows that very quickly.
05:08So he's trying to get rid of them.
05:09In a normal instance, people don't really want to do that.
05:14Not proper organised criminals.
05:16So they're all about the money and protecting what they've got.
05:18They're not stupid.
05:19They know that it's a quick way to lose everything.
05:23Going to war or, you know, attention from the police and all that stuff.
05:26So they try and keep that as less as possible.
05:29But once something bad happens or someone's been murdered or a liberty has been taken or something like that,
05:37then usually there's not a lot of really good ways back from that.
05:41And when it starts, it really starts.
05:43Another thing as well that I've picked up here with that, and it's quite a thing.
05:47The guy's here with a gun, you know, balaclava.
05:52The first time someone points a gun at you, you might think, oh, you know, it's a different experience.
05:56But when you've had guns pointed at you all the time and you're using guns and guns are around you
06:01and guns are part of, you know, part of the fabric of your life and how you're living.
06:07You don't worry about guns.
06:09You don't flinch about guns.
06:10You see, it's, you know, it's crazy.
06:12You even develop this black humour that just kind of gets you through this craziness.
06:18Like, you know, you're looking a bit peaky.
06:20Maybe you should take your cap off, right?
06:22Or something like that.
06:23You say something.
06:24There's a lot of this goes on, right?
06:26And it's kind of a way to, you know, me certainly when I lived that life,
06:30it's kind of a way to lessen stuff and just, you know, it doesn't have the same effect on you.
06:38You know, having guns pointed at you or being shot at and all that kind of stuff as people would
06:43think.
06:43Harry needs you and I need Harry Sharp.
06:49Yeah, well, I just need Harry.
06:51Again, this is another masterful scene because it translates family in both the extreme senses as a organised crime family,
07:00mobster family in the organised crime sense or a normal family, you know.
07:04And for Conrad, he's a master of the art using leverage and positioning to get what he wants by any
07:11means.
07:12So it's not even about Harry's wife.
07:15He doesn't care about Harry's wife.
07:17I say he wants it all to be good, but he doesn't care about Harry's wife apart from in the
07:21sense that she's a pawn to other stuff that he wants.
07:24For him, the important person is Harry.
07:26As he says, he needs Harry to be with it, to be sharp.
07:29Because he needs Harry to do things for him, which are important, so he can keep his position, his power,
07:35protect what he's got and keep going.
07:38And there's the difference.
07:39The other side of it, the normalised family of the wife is, it portrays really how families of people involved
07:47in organised crime are long-suffering, really.
07:49Because the truth of it is, to be a figure like this or be involved in a life like this
07:53is, you can never really own anything.
07:55You can never settle.
07:57You can never have a stable life.
07:59You're never going to have a really long-term, loving, healthy relationship.
08:03It's not going to happen.
08:04You may think you can pull that off, but it won't happen.
08:07And that's obvious.
08:08You know that, because the life that we choose when we live a life like that is, you are sacrificing
08:16normality.
08:17You're sacrificing stability and these things.
08:22And the truth is, and we all kind of know that, anyone who you love or anything that you love
08:28dearly or anything which is around you will be affected by that.
08:31And it's constantly threatened.
08:34See, that's odd.
08:35Because by nature, you're quite a wily old fox, comrade.
08:41You don't tend to blunder around, risking life and limb.
08:45What's your point, Stevenson?
08:49I know who don't tell me.
08:50The exchange of power here and the dynamics here are really well scripted, too.
08:56He's so good at this, Guy Ritchie, because he's got them both at the table, but it's loaded.
09:00There's so much going on here.
09:02He needs to translate it quickly.
09:05Would this really happen in a day-to-day?
09:08Possibly.
09:09It may happen in some kind of instance because, really, people are what they've got built.
09:13They're quite developed and sophisticated along the path.
09:17That's why they're there.
09:18And they don't want to lose what they've got.
09:21So they're clever.
09:22They're looking for...
09:24That's not to say that they're going to forget a grudge or anything like that.
09:28But they may wait a year, two years, five years, and then come back around on that.
09:32But, you know, it's a game of chess.
09:34And if they need to keep everything moving and they don't want attention, police or war or bloodshed won't be
09:41able to sleep at night, leave their house, everything's threatened, then you may negotiate and you may sit down to
09:49try and create some kind of peace.
09:51But in my understanding of that, it's a false peace.
09:55And it doesn't work like that.
09:58And you're never really going to get peace.
10:00Because people in organised crime, they don't forget.
10:02You know, let me tell you.
10:04They don't forget.
10:05And it's all strategic.
10:07It's all tactical.
10:08They might smile in your face that time and say, yeah, brothers, and this and that.
10:11But next week, next month, next year, we'll come back around on you.
10:15And the thing, what it always was, was when you was at your most weakest, you say, right, that cherry's
10:21ready to be picked.
10:22It's like walking through the Serengeti with the pride of lions constantly circling you, knowing that if you stumble or
10:30fall or make a trip even somewhere, then there won't be nothing left, not even bones, right?
10:37You know, that used to get me up early in the morning.
10:39Let me tell you, it wasn't even the money or anything like that.
10:42It goes beyond that, you know?
10:44Survival becomes the name of the game.
10:46It's a world of darkness that you're in anyway.
10:48I hate you with every bone in my body.
10:53You think I'm going to stand there and let Richie Stevenson mouth me off with my son standing there?
10:59This scene loaded again, but there's a lot of lessons in this one as well.
11:05Conrad again, just like he's saying there, I hate you, and he's repeating what was said by Stevenson.
11:10Just another reflection, Guy Richards put in there, of how people don't forget.
11:14No one's your friend.
11:15You know, you may have allies, you may have strong allies, even people you've come all the way through with,
11:20and they'll even stand beside you in some of the worst of times.
11:24But they can also be your worst enemy if something turns, and that can certainly happen.
11:29I've seen that many times, you know, in my own life when I was set up to be killed and,
11:36you know, and things like that.
11:38Another thing I see with this scene that's really, really important to detail is, in a life like this, I've
11:44always said it was, the things I could see coming was alright.
11:48Because I'd, you know, I'd be able to manage that pretty much, you know, or get a strategy around them.
11:53But I always knew it was the things that I didn't see, or the things that I didn't know, or
11:57the people I didn't know who were saying certain things.
12:00That would be the thing that would get me, you know, that would be the undoing.
12:03Now, when you really look at that, this is something that you can never manage.
12:08It's something that never, you can never control about this life.
12:12And I've, I've seen many people killed and murdered, not because they weren't good enough, or they weren't even straight,
12:19or playing by the rules.
12:21But other things was going on behind them, that positioned them for the worst stuff, you know, and that was
12:27their, that was their ending.
12:28And they didn't see that coming.
12:30So I think this is a, a real life example of how once you get into a life like this,
12:37there really is no way out, and no winners.
12:42Morning lads, what are we doing?
12:45I see, is that for me?
12:47The first time someone points a gun at you, you might think, oh, you know, it's a different experience.
12:52But when you've had guns pointed at you all the time, and you're using guns, you don't worry about guns.
12:57You don't flinch your back guns.
12:58My name's Stephen Gillan.
12:59I had a long, unfortunate history in organised crime.
13:03Serving many sentences, one being 17 years in high security prison, as a Category A prisoner.
13:09Today, I am going to react to Mobland, so we can lift the curtain behind what is really going on.
13:17I appreciate the relationship between the Dohans and the Lazarus goes back more than three decades.
13:23I appreciate that it's an ecosystem spanning north and east London.
13:28It's quite lifelike in a sense, because there are meetings that go on, you know, like this all the time.
13:34And there is a hierarchy of people.
13:36But you have to understand this is all based on money, and as he says, revenue streams.
13:41And for me, a thing that I picked up there is, you know, he said, everyone's been together, we've known
13:46each other for three decades.
13:48But in the scheme of things, this means absolutely nothing.
13:52You know, it can all end in a second.
13:55So the message really for me in this is what I know, is that there are no honour amongst thieves.
14:02There are codes of conduct that they can be done away with and shifted to fit any cause or on
14:11a needs-must basis, as we see here.
14:14You plant the trees, the trees grow tall, and sooner or later, they begin to get mangled.
14:24It's pruning time.
14:25I love this analogy about the trees, planting the trees, and the trees grow tall.
14:31You know, what he's talking about there is about the money, it's about the growth, it's about the power of
14:36people.
14:36Because that's what, you know, that's what happens.
14:39That's what people go into this life.
14:40But, of course, they can never really enjoy that money or that status if they think there is a status
14:47involved in this.
14:48This is a very dark life.
14:50You're always looking over your shoulder at who catches who first, you know, and there's no winners in it.
14:55Another part that's not really right about this is when they go in and they take them all out, that
15:01would never really happen in them circumstances.
15:03It would happen, but in a different way.
15:06But it wouldn't happen as a mass kind of execution like that.
15:10People would be allowed to leave.
15:12It would be a lot more tricky and a lot more positioned than that.
15:16But then certain people, I'm sure, if it was bad enough or they fell out, they couldn't come to an
15:21agreement about stuff, would be picked off one by one.
15:23That's the only difference and part that's not authentic that I see in this, but very well done.
15:31Once upon a time, there was this girl, nice girl, pretty girl, glossy hair.
15:41Anyway, she went to this school, nice school, private school, proper school.
15:47I love this scene in it because there's so much going on here.
15:51Organised crime and a life of organised crime really is about signs.
15:55It's what you're saying but not saying.
15:57What is unsaid is more powerful than usually, in my view, than what is said.
16:01But sometimes when you're trying to relay a message just like that, like a threat, it would be veiled in
16:08a certain kind of a way.
16:10But the meaning and the consequences of what you're saying are very evident.
16:15So it translates that really, really well.
16:18He's threatening his family, saying, look, you don't do what we want, how you want, and you mess around with
16:24us.
16:25This is going to happen, it's going to be very bad, but this is how it's going to be bad
16:29for you.
16:30And of course, the other part of it is it's all about leverage.
16:33What's the biggest leverage?
16:34What does Harry value the most?
16:37His daughter, his family.
16:39So they go right for the throat, they go right for the jugular, you know, and that's what it's about.
16:45It's about leverage.
16:47But it's another example, especially nowadays, where there are no codes of conduct.
16:53You know, families, mothers, daughters, whatever, really, in the cold light of day, are fair game.
17:01If you enter a life like this, the more entrenched and the more dark and the more down the path
17:06you become if you live a life like this.
17:09These are the outcomes.
17:12Morning, lads. What are we doing?
17:16I see. Is that for me?
17:18We're shooting families now.
17:19Another great scene.
17:20Mobland is littered with them.
17:21There's so much going on because you've got the connotations of family.
17:26You know, the translation between defining normal family, as in normal family, kids, mother, spouse, all that, to an organised
17:37crime family.
17:37The loughties, the obligations and all that coming out are really interested in this.
17:42I think he's done it very, very well.
17:44Harry's character here, obviously his family are threatened now.
17:48He knows that very quickly.
17:50So he's trying to get rid of them.
17:51In a normal instance, people don't really want to do that.
17:55Not proper organised criminals because they're all about the money and protecting what they've got.
18:00They're not stupid.
18:01They know that it's a quick way to lose everything, going to war or, you know, attention from the police
18:07and all that stuff.
18:08So they try and keep that, you know, as less as possible.
18:11But once something bad happens or someone's been murdered or there's a liberty has been taken or something like that,
18:18then usually there's not a lot of really good ways back from that.
18:23And when it starts, it really starts.
18:24Another thing as well that I picked up here, and it's quite a thing.
18:29The guy's here with a gun, you know, balaclava.
18:33The first time someone points a gun at you, you might think, oh, you know, it's a different experience.
18:38But when you've had guns pointed at you all the time and you're using guns and guns are around you
18:43and guns are part of, you know, part of the fabric of your life and how you're living,
18:49you don't worry about guns, you don't flinch about guns.
18:52You see, you know, it's crazy. You even develop this black humour that just kind of gets you through this
18:58craziness.
19:00Like, you know, you're looking a bit peaky. Maybe you should take your cap off, right?
19:04Or something like that. You say something. There's a lot of this goes on, right?
19:07And it's kind of a way to, you know, me certainly when I lived that life, it's kind of a
19:13way to lessen stuff and just, you know, it doesn't have the same effect in you.
19:20You know, having guns pointed at you or being shot at and all that kind of stuff as people would
19:25think.
19:25Harry needs you and I need Harry Sharp.
19:31Yeah, well, I just need Harry.
19:33Again, this is another masterful scene because it translates family in both the extreme senses as an organised crime family,
19:41mobster family in the organised crime sense or a normal family.
19:45You know, and for Conrad, he's a master of the art using leverage and positioning to get what he wants
19:52by any means.
19:54So it's not even about Harry's wife. He doesn't care about Harry's wife.
19:59I say he wants it all to be good, but he doesn't care about Harry's wife apart from in the
20:03sense that she's a pawn to other stuff that he wants.
20:06For him, the important person is Harry. As he says, he needs Harry to be with it, to be sharp,
20:11because he needs Harry to do things for him which are important so he can keep his position, his power,
20:17protect what he's got and keep going.
20:19And there's the difference. The other side of it, the normalised family of the wife is, it portrays really how
20:26families of people involved in organised crime are long-suffering, really.
20:31Because the truth of it is, to be a figure like this or be involved in a life like this
20:35is, you can never really own anything.
20:37You can never settle. You can never have a stable life. You're never going to have a really long-term,
20:43loving, healthy relationship.
20:45It's not going to happen. You may think you can pull that off, but it won't happen.
20:49And that's obvious. You know that, because the life that we choose when we live a life like that is,
20:57you are sacrificing normality.
20:59You're sacrificing these stability and these things and, you know, the truth is, and we all kind of know that,
21:07anyone who you love or anything that you love dearly or anything which is around you will be affected by
21:13that and is constantly threatened.
21:16You see, that's odd. Because by nature, you're quite a wily old fox, comrade. You don't tend to blunder around,
21:25risking life and limb.
21:26What's your point, Stevenson? I know, don't tell me.
21:32The exchange of power here and the dynamics here are really well scripted, too.
21:38He's so good at this, Guy Ritchie, because he's got them both at the table, but it's loaded.
21:42There's so much going on here and he needs to translate it quickly. Would this really happen in a day
21:49-to-day? Possibly.
21:51It may happen in some kind of instance because really people are what they've got built. They're quite developed, you
21:57know, sophisticated along the path.
21:58That's why they're there. And they don't want to lose what they've got. So they're clever. You know, they're looking
22:04for...
22:05That's not to say that they're going to forget a grudge or anything like that, but they may wait a
22:10year, two years, five years and then come back around on that.
22:13But, you know, it's a game of chess and if they need to keep everything moving and they don't want
22:18attention, police, war or bloodshed won't be able to sleep at night, leave their house, everything's threatened, then you may
22:28negotiate and you may sit down to try and create some kind of peace.
22:33But in my understanding of that, it's a false peace and it doesn't work like that. And you're never really
22:41going to get peace because people in organised crime, they don't forget.
22:44You know, let me tell you, they don't forget. And it's all strategic. It's all tactical. They might smile in
22:51your face that time and say, yeah, brothers and this and that.
22:53But next week, next month, next year, we come back around in you. And the thing, what it always was,
22:59was when you was at your most weakest, you say, right, that cherry's ready to be picked.
23:04It's like walking through the Serengeti with the pride of lions constantly circling you, knowing that if you stumble or
23:12fall or make a trip even somewhere, then there won't be nothing left, not even bones, right?
23:18You know, that used to get me up early in the morning. Let me tell you, it wasn't even the
23:22money or anything like that. It goes beyond that, you know, survival becomes the name of the game.
23:27It's a world of darkness that you're in anyway.
23:30I hate you with every bone in my body. You think I'm going to stand there and let Richie Stevenson
23:38mouth me off with my son standing there?
23:41This scene loaded again, but there's a lot of lessons in this one as well. Conrad again, just like he's
23:49saying there, I hate you. And he's repeating what was said by Stevenson.
23:52Just another reflection, Guy Richards put in there, of how people don't forget. No one's your friend. You know, you
23:58may have allies, you may have strong allies, even people you've come all the way through with.
24:02And they'll even stand beside you in some of the worst of times, but they can also be your worst
24:07enemy if something turns and that can certainly happen.
24:11I've seen that many times, you know, in my own life when I was set up to be killed and,
24:17you know, and things like that.
24:20Another thing I see with this scene that's really, really important to detail is, in a life like this, I've
24:26always said it was, the things I could see coming was alright.
24:30Because I'd, you know, I'd be able to manage that pretty much, you know, or get a strategy around them.
24:35But I always knew it was the things that I didn't see or the things that I didn't know, or
24:39the people I didn't know who were saying certain things.
24:42That would be the thing that would get me, you know, that would be the undoing.
24:45Now, when you really look at that, this is something that you can never manage.
24:50It's something that you can never control about this life.
24:53And I've seen many people killed and murdered, not because they weren't good enough or they weren't even straight or
25:01playing by the rules.
25:03But other things was going on behind them that positioned them for the worst stuff, you know, and that was
25:09their ending.
25:10And they didn't see that coming.
25:12So I think this is a real life example of how once you get into a life like this, there
25:19really is no way out and no winners.
25:23Well, lads, what are we doing?
25:27I see. Is that for me?
25:29The first time someone points a gun at you, you might think, oh, you know, it's a different experience.
25:33But when you've had guns pointed at you all the time and you're using guns, you don't worry about guns,
25:39you don't flinch about guns.
25:40My name's Stephen Gillan. I had a long, unfortunate history in organised crime.
25:45Serving many sentences, one being 17 years in high security prison as a Category A prisoner.
25:50Today I am going to react to Mobland so we can lift the curtain behind what is really going on.
25:59I appreciate the relationship between the Dohans and the Lazarus goes back more than three decades.
26:05I appreciate that it's an ecosystem spanning North and East London.
26:10It's quite lifelike in a sense because there are meetings that go on, you know, like this all the time
26:16and there is a hierarchy of people.
26:18But you have to understand this is all based on money and, as he says, revenue streams.
26:23And for me, a thing that I picked up there is, you know, he said everyone's been together, we've known
26:28each other for three decades.
26:30But then the scheme of things, this means absolutely nothing.
26:34You know, it can all end in a second.
26:37So the message really for me in this is what I know is that there are no honour amongst thieves.
26:44There are codes of conduct that they can be done away with and shifted to fit any cause or on
26:52a needs-must basis, as we see here.
26:56You plant the trees, the trees grow tall.
27:01And sooner or later, they begin to get mangled.
27:06It's pruning time.
27:07I love this analogy about the trees, planting the trees and the trees grow tall.
27:13You know, what he's talking about there is about the money, it's about the growth, it's about the power of
27:18people.
27:18Because that's what, you know, that's what happens.
27:20That's what people go into this life.
27:22But, of course, they can never really enjoy that money or that status if they think there is a status
27:28involved in this.
27:29This is a very dark life.
27:31You're always looking over your shoulder at who catches who first, you know, and there's no winners in it.
27:37Another part that's not really right about this is when they go in and they take them all out.
27:42That would never really happen in them circumstances.
27:46It would happen, but in a different way.
27:48But it wouldn't happen as a mass kind of execution like that.
27:52People would be allowed to leave.
27:54It would be a lot more tricky and a lot more positioned than that.
27:58But then certain people, I'm sure, if it was bad enough or they fell out, they couldn't come to an
28:02agreement about stuff,
28:03will be picked off one by one.
28:05That's the only difference and part that's not authentic that I see in this, but very well done.
28:13Once upon a time, there was this girl, nice girl, pretty girl, glossy hair.
28:23Anyway, she went to this school, nice school, private school, proper school.
28:29I love this scene in it because there's so much going on here.
28:32Organised crime and a life of organised crime really is about signs.
28:37It's what you're saying but not saying.
28:38What is unsaid is more powerful than usually, in my view, than what is said.
28:43But sometimes when you're trying to relay a message just like that, like a threat,
28:48it would be veiled in a certain kind of a way.
28:52But the meaning and the consequences of what you're saying are very evident.
28:56So it translates that really, really well.
29:00He's threatening his family, saying, look, you don't do what we want, how you want, and you mess around with
29:06us.
29:07This is going to happen. It's going to be very bad.
29:10But this is how it's going to be bad for you.
29:12And, of course, the other part of it is it's all about leverage.
29:14What's the biggest leverage? What does Harry value the most?
29:19His daughter, his family.
29:20So they go right for the throat. They go right for the jugular.
29:25And that's what it's about.
29:27It's about leverage.
29:29But it's another example, especially nowadays, where there are no codes of conduct.
29:35Families, mothers, daughters, whatever, really, in the cold light of day, are fair game.
29:42If you enter a life like this, the more entrenched and the more dark and the more down the path
29:48you become,
29:49if you live a life like this, these are the outcomes.
29:54Morning, lads. What are we doing?
29:57I see. Is that for me? We're shooting families now.
30:01Another great scene. Mobland is littered with them.
30:03There's so much going on because you've got the connotations of family.
30:07You know, the translation between defining normal family, as in normal family, kids, mother, spouse, all that,
30:17to an organised crime family.
30:19The lorties, the obligations and all that come with that are really interesting in this.
30:24I think he's done it very, very well.
30:26Harry's character here, obviously his family are threatened now.
30:29He knows that very quickly.
30:31So he's trying to get rid of them.
30:33In a normal instance, people don't really want to do that.
30:37Not proper organised criminals.
30:40They're all about the money and protecting what they've got.
30:42They're not stupid.
30:43They know that it's a quick way to lose everything.
30:46Going to war or, you know, attention from the police and all that stuff.
30:49So they try and keep that, you know, as less as possible.
30:53But once something bad happens, or someone's been murdered, or a liberty has been taken,
30:59or something like that, then usually there's not a lot of really good ways back from that.
31:05And when it starts, it really starts.
31:06Another thing as well that I've picked up here, and it's quite a thing.
31:11The guy's here with a gun, you know, balaclava.
31:15The first time someone points a gun at you, you might think, oh, you know, it's a different experience.
31:20But when you've had guns pointed at you all the time, and you're using guns, and guns are around you,
31:25and guns are part of, you know, part of the fabric of your life and how you're living,
31:31you don't worry about guns.
31:32You don't flinch about guns.
31:34You see, it's, you know, it's crazy.
31:35You even develop this black humour that just kind of gets you through this craziness.
31:42Like, you know, you're looking a bit peaky, maybe you should take your cap off, right?
31:46Or something like that.
31:47You say something, there's a lot of this goes on, right?
31:49And it's kind of a way to, you know, me certainly, when I lived that life,
31:54it's kind of a way to lessen stuff, and just, you know, it doesn't have the same effect on you.
32:02You know, having guns pointed at you, or being shot at, and all that kind of stuff, as people would
32:06think.
32:07Harry needs you, and I need Harry sharp.
32:13Yeah, well, I just need Harry.
32:15Again, this is another masterful scene, because it translates family in both the extreme senses,
32:21as a organised crime family, mobster family in the organised crime sense, or a normal family.
32:28You know, and for Conrad, he's a master of the art using leverage and positioning
32:33to get what he wants by any means.
32:36So it's not even about Harry's wife.
32:39He doesn't care about Harry's wife.
32:40I say he wants it all to be good, but he doesn't care about Harry's wife,
32:44apart from in the sense that she's a pawn to other stuff that he wants.
32:48For him, the important person is Harry.
32:50As he says, he needs Harry to be with it, to be sharp,
32:53because he needs Harry to do things for him, which are important,
32:56so he can keep his position, his power, protect what he's got, and keep going.
33:01And there's a difference. The other side of it, the normalised family of the wife is,
33:06it portrays really how families of people involved in organised crime are long-suffering, really.
33:13Because the truth of it is, to be a figure like this, or be involved in a life like this,
33:17is you can never really own anything.
33:19You can never settle. You can never have a stable life.
33:22You're never going to have a really long-term, loving, healthy relationship.
33:27It's not going to happen.
33:28You may think you can pull that off, but it won't happen.
33:31And that's obvious. You know that, because the life that we choose when we live a life like that,
33:38is you are sacrificing normality. You're sacrificing these stability and these things.
33:45And, you know, the truth is, and we all kind of know that,
33:49anyone who you love, or anything that you love dearly, or anything which is around you,
33:54will be affected by that, and is constantly threatened.
33:57You see, that's odd. Because by nature, you're quite a wily old fox, comrade.
34:04You don't tend to blunder around, risking life and limb.
34:09What's your point, Stevenson?
34:12I know who don't tell me.
34:14The exchange of power here and the dynamics here are really well scripted too.
34:19He's so good at this, Guy Ritchie, because he's got them both at the table, but it's loaded.
34:24There's so much going on here, and he needs to translate it quickly.
34:28Would this really happen in a day-to-day? Possibly.
34:32It may happen in some kind of instance, because really people are what they've got built.
34:37They're quite developed, you know, and sophisticated along the path.
34:40That's why they're there. And they don't want to lose what they've got.
34:44So they're clever. You know, they're looking for...
34:47That's not to say that they're going to forget a grudge, or anything like that.
34:51But they may wait a year, two years, five years, and then come back around on that.
34:56But, you know, it's a game of chess, and if they need to keep everything moving,
35:00and they don't want attention, police, war, bloodshed, won't be able to sleep at night,
35:06leave their house, everything's threatened, then you may negotiate,
35:10and you may sit down to try and create some kind of peace.
35:15But in my understanding of that, it's a false peace, and it doesn't work like that.
35:21And you're never really going to get peace, because people in organised crime, they don't forget.
35:26You know, let me tell you. They don't forget.
35:29And it's all strategic. It's all tactical.
35:31They might smile in your face that time and say, yeah, brothers, and this and that,
35:35but next week, next month, next year, come back around in you.
35:39And the thing, what it always was, was when you was at your most weakest,
35:43you say, right, that cherry's ready to be picked.
35:46It's like walking through the Serengeti with the pride of lions constantly circling you,
35:52knowing that if you stumble or fall or make a trip even somewhere,
35:56then there won't be nothing left, not even bones, right?
36:00You know, that used to get me up early in the morning.
36:02Let me tell you, it wasn't even the money or anything like that.
36:05It goes beyond that, you know? Survival becomes the name of the game.
36:09It's a world of darkness that you're in anyway.
36:12I hate you with every bone in my body.
36:16You think I'm going to stand there and let Richie Stevenson
36:20mouth me off with my son standing there?
36:23This scene loaded again, but there's a lot of lessons in this one as well.
36:29Conrad again, just like he's saying there,
36:31I hate you and he's repeating what was said by Stevenson.
36:33Just another reflection, Guy Richards put in there, of how people don't forget.
36:37No one's your friend. You know, you may have allies, you may have strong allies,
36:42even people you've come all the way through with,
36:44and they'll even stand beside you in some of the worst of times.
36:47But they can also be your worst enemy if something turns,
36:51and that can certainly happen.
36:53I've seen that many times, you know, in my own life,
36:56when I was set up to be killed and, you know, and things like that.
37:01Another thing I see with this scene that's really, really important to detail is,
37:06in a life like this, I've always said it was,
37:09the things I could see coming was alright, because I'd, you know,
37:13I'd be able to manage that pretty much, you know, or get a strategy around them.
37:17But I always knew it was the things that I didn't see, or the things I didn't know,
37:21or the people I didn't know who were saying certain things.
37:24That would be the thing that would get me, you know, that would be the undoing.
37:27Now, when you really look at that, this is something that you can never manage.
37:31It's something that you can never control about this life.
37:35And I've seen many people killed and murdered, not because they weren't good enough,
37:41or they weren't even straight, or playing by the rules,
37:45but other things was going on behind them that positioned them for the worst stuff,
37:50you know, and that was their ending.
37:52And they didn't see that coming.
37:53So I think this is a real life example of how once you get into a life like this,
38:00there really is no way out, and no winners.
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