00:00Gossip isn't great, but it is a fundamental part of being human, is we started to speak
00:06because we wanted to gossip about it.
00:08Interconnect.
00:15Quello che succede in Thailandia resta in Thailandia.
00:18Che cosa vuol dire? Vuol dire che non siamo ancora morte.
00:21Amen.
00:22Hi, nice to see you.
00:25So, first of all, why, in your opinion, we all love so much gossip?
00:31Because in this season, gossip is huge.
00:34Why do we love it so much?
00:36Have you read Sapiens, the book?
00:38Yes, yes.
00:40You know that's how we all started communicating, was through gossip.
00:44That's why we started talking.
00:46Humans have, people are very judgy about gossip, and I get it.
00:50Gossip isn't great, but it is a fundamental part of being human, is we started to speak
00:56because we wanted to gossip about it.
00:59Interconnect.
00:59It's, yeah, exactly.
01:01We use gossip as a form of connection.
01:04I think we also use gossip as a form of distraction.
01:10Mm-hmm.
01:10Yes.
01:11Yeah, right?
01:13And I think that's what Mike has done so effortlessly in terms of writing these three women.
01:21You know, these are women that are presenting their most perfect lives, you know, and putting
01:26their best foot forward.
01:28And it's as you start to see, you know, them start to kind of gossip, and they're revealing
01:35so much of themselves, you know, as the show progresses, and you start to see all the cracks
01:41in that facade, and it's quite sad.
01:44But he, you know, I think Mike is, you know, exploring the idea of these unrealistic expectations
01:51that we kind of put on each other, especially as women, the things that we endure and we
01:55perpetuate, which is the gossip.
01:58And I think it feels very relevant and timely, and I think that people, audiences, specifically
02:04women, of course, will really relate to that storyline.
02:07And speaking about the three friends, should we be concerned when somebody tells us too
02:16often that we are amazing, that we look so good?
02:19Maybe it's there that we should.
02:21I refer to that, I think what the ladies experience a lot, and I think what Jacqueline
02:28possesses, one of her qualities, I think they all inhabit it, is that toxic positivity.
02:36And I think that's one of the things that's working against Jacqueline.
02:39She's an actress, so she's really, like, putting forth this great and wonderful life
02:47and presenting that, and then in reality, you know, she's just a normal human person
02:52who is imperfect, and she's quite lonely and sad, and we start to see that manifest as
02:59the season progresses into kind of some self-sabotage, some duplicitous behavior, and things like
03:05that.
03:06Yeah.
03:06And Amy, speaking about toxic positivity, your character really is so, it seems so good,
03:14even when she is beaten by a snake, she doesn't want to see the truth that she's with a problematic
03:22man, so, in your opinion, many women can face the truth, maybe they just can't.
03:29Yeah, I mean, I think it's, there's this song that my dad used to play to me called
03:33The Snake by Al Wilson.
03:36Oh my God.
03:37And it's like, you know, and it's about this woman, and she finds the snake on the road,
03:41and the snake is almost frozen to death, and she takes the snake in, and she looks after
03:45him, and she's like, you're so cute, you're so beautiful, you're so amazing, and then
03:49once the snake is healthy, again, he bites her, and she's like, I saved you, and you bit
03:56me, and he's like, you knew that I was a snake before you took me in.
04:00You knew I was a snake, and I think that that song was always in my mind, and my dad
04:06used
04:06to go, this is about men, Amy, this isn't about snakes, so I like, had that whole thing
04:12with the Rick and Chelsea of it all, but I had to like, I could, like, as the actor, I
04:18just had to really believe what she was saying, which is the cosmos has brought them together,
04:22and she loves him, and I just couldn't put any judgment on it, I couldn't put any judgment
04:26on it, because she isn't, but I think that, yeah, it's such a, it's such a common thing,
04:32these women who pour all of their light, and all of their energy, and it goes down the
04:37drain, and it's one of the saddest things, I think, ever, and we see it so often, I've
04:44had so many friends where I've been like, oh my god, there's nothing coming back, but
04:49you keep going, but I think that, yeah, the snake stuff is so, you know, it's all so clever,
04:55and so symbolic, and the whole motif is amazing, because she doesn't, she doesn't want to see
05:01it, she doesn't want to see it, it's like, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, and so, and I
05:06think
05:06that, yeah, and her, her denial is so strong, she's got an amazing, like, defense mechanism
05:13against, everything's water off a duck's back, which she calls out herself when she's having
05:19her massage, she's like, I can be complacent, which isn't always a good thing, so she knows,
05:23but she can't, she's just like, she can't execute it, she's got tunnel vision, so I think it's
05:31so relatable, I find that incredibly relatable.
05:34And to you both, this season is, I think, the main theme is the search of identity, because
05:43every character tries to find out who he or she really is, and since you are both actresses,
05:49and you constantly change identity, was it a little bit more challenging this season, because
05:57identity is, there's the character, and then you, and then your real life, so was it more challenging
06:03or not?
06:06Yeah, I would say, yeah, I would say it was challenging, you know, I think that we're artists
06:11and actors, and so we are so vulnerable and passionate, and, you know, these characters
06:19are so layered and complicated, and when you immerse yourself in developing these characters
06:26for such an extensive amount of time as we did, and collectively as a unit, it was unlike
06:36any kind of experience I've ever had creatively, and so it definitely had its challenges where
06:44sometimes it felt all a little blurred and full on and overwhelming, but at the same time,
06:52it made it just that much more real and emotional, and so you sort of use all of that at
07:00the end
07:00of the day, and I think that you, oh my gosh, I think that you see it this season, just
07:05how
07:06rich and how in-depth all the performances really are, and that's a thanks and a testament to Mike
07:14White, because, you know, he writes these subtleties, these words, and oftentimes a lot of these,
07:22this behavior is nonverbal, right?
07:24It's just reaction, so it's just feeling with a lot, without saying a lot, so that's a lot,
07:31that's a lot to just feel a lot, but that's what makes it all so relatable, I think, for audiences.
07:39So even for me, while I was watching the show for the first time, then seen as an audience,
07:45my heart was racing, because I was like, and I know what happens, and I'm still like,
07:48like, oh, the momentum of the show, it's so emotional, you know, having been in it or not
07:55in it, you know, it's, he's just designed the show to be such as that, and it's just such
08:00a singular experience.
08:02And he loves reality TV, so you, you know, he loves it, so you can feel that, and he's,
08:07he's, uses a lot of elements from reality TV within the show, but also we were living where
08:13we were working, so we were kind of in a reality TV show as well, it was all, yeah, so
08:20yeah,
08:21it was hard, and amazing, yeah, like in the metrics, okay, thank you so much, exactly,
08:28thank you so much, you're both amazing in the show, thank you so much, bye, thank you.
08:51Thank you.
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