00:00Do you agree with Pai Mei?
00:02Sì, Pai Mei. I'm not going to disagree with Pai Mei.
00:11Questo l'ho già visto.
00:14Anni fa.
00:17Va bene, facciamo questa cosa e basta.
00:19Lavoriamo in coppia per chiudere il caso e poi mai più insieme.
00:22Ci sto.
00:22You said that working with Jodie Foster was like going to see Pai Mei.
00:27No, seriously.
00:30Do you learn the five-point exploding heart technique?
00:33You know, she has a five-point heart.
00:37Oh, really?
00:37Yeah, you do.
00:38And it's the one phrase.
00:39Just learn how to relax.
00:41You know what I mean?
00:41Don't take things so seriously.
00:42That goes across the board.
00:44Like, you know, there's things out of your control that it helped me so much.
00:47And I don't think that you realize how much that, like,
00:49even just seeing how you moved in your territory.
00:52It was like Pai Mei.
00:53Like, you had the whole five-fingered punch.
00:56And that's the thing.
00:56I'm going to look that up.
00:57Yes, it is.
00:58And the words night country and the mood of the show made me think about Goya when he
01:04said, this leap of reason produces monsters.
01:09What does it mean, night country, to you?
01:11Well, there's questions about it in the show, you know.
01:14We're in the night country now.
01:16You know, what does that mean?
01:18I guess for me it means that we're in the darkness of the soul.
01:22And we're at a place, and especially for Kaylee's character, where she has to continually choose
01:29between two sides, the light and the dark, between her two cultures, between the living
01:34and the dead—oh, wow, I'm talking about your character.
01:37Oh, no, you're good.
01:37Sorry about that.
01:38No, no, you're good.
01:39But it really is, you know, for me, that's what that is, that there's a country, there's
01:44a place that is inhabited by the night.
01:47Do you agree with Paimé?
01:49Yes, Paimé.
01:50I'm not going to disagree with Paimé.
01:52No, definitely the dark part of the soul.
01:55It's the literal dark night country is when, you know, that region, part of the country
02:00is dark for such a long period of time, and they have to go through the darkness and kind
02:04of come to the light.
02:05So I definitely—but that's what it means to me for this show.
02:09And it's not just the main characters.
02:11It's everybody involved.
02:12Everybody is in their own individual night country, but all together in their night country
02:16as well.
02:16And I want to talk a little bit about the ending, without giving spoilers, but could
02:22we say that here the humblest find the truth?
02:27And again, the ending made me think about Lord of the Rings when Galadriel says even the
02:32smallest person in the world can change the course of the future.
02:35Yes.
02:36Do you really believe that it's possible?
02:38Absolutely.
02:39And in this case, I don't want to spoil anything.
02:41A lot of it is about the power of community, which has been devalued in some ways.
02:47You know, we think of power and heroism as being a singular act, one hero.
02:52And in Native cultures, it's so much about collaboration with the land, collaboration with the gods, collaboration
03:00with each other in creating these communities.
03:03And just, well, because you've seen the end, there's something really beautiful about the fact
03:08that the clues for who did it have always been there.
03:12But we were, they were invisible to us because we didn't pay attention.
03:16because they, they were, they weren't valued to us.
03:19And you, the audience has to feel a culpability there, you know, has to acknowledge that they
03:26were blind to the people that have been there all along.
03:29Yeah.
03:30That's exactly, again, with the invisible.
03:32No, seriously, it is, without spoiling it, like, like Jody said, the answers are pretty
03:37much right in front of you, but the invisibility allowed for justice to be served.
03:43Yeah.
03:45Scientists are supposed to know better, but in this show, when it comes to how they treat
03:52women, there, there's no difference between them and less, less educated men.
04:00Right.
04:00So there can, there can be hope if even education isn't enough.
04:05Well, I have thoughts about that because my son's a scientist and so I'm always, I, you
04:09know, we're always having lots of scientific conversations and I had to apologize
04:13that, you know, scientists don't come off very well in this film.
04:16But I don't think it's about scientists.
04:18I think it's about ego.
04:20I think it's about man's ego of saying, like, I could get something from the earth or I could
04:28find something that would make me immortal.
04:31that would make me famous, that would, you know, make our, that would bring immortality
04:37to mankind.
04:38That's a kind of hubris that is, is really connected to Greek tragedy.
04:43So it isn't really about science.
04:45I think it's about ego.
04:46I would agree too.
04:47And as well as, you know, the act was committed in a very human, very primitive way.
04:53I mean, they weren't scientists at that point.
04:55It just was like, yeah, the human beings.
04:57And I don't think it had anything to do with education or science.
05:01It was just in that moment, their education kicked in and their intelligence kicked in
05:05after the fact.
05:06And they're like, oh, oh, oh, wow.
05:08Oh, this is not.
05:09So, yeah, it was, it's an interesting, it's, it's interesting to see how they are, how
05:14scientists are portrayed in this, but they're just human beings reacting.
05:18They reacted.
05:19It wasn't a well thought out plan at all.
05:22The ending is open to many interpretations.
05:25I want to know yours.
05:27No spoilers, but what does it mean to you?
05:30Oh, the last images you mean?
05:32Yeah.
05:32What do you think?
05:34I would think that it makes a lot of sense, no matter where you think both of these characters
05:39end up at the end, that the last shot is exactly, no matter what you believe, rational, logical,
05:45spiritual, supernatural, where you think the Amherst ends up, where you think the Amherst ends
05:48up, the very last shot makes so much sense.
05:53A lot of sense, without spoiling it.
05:55Yeah.
05:56I mean, I'm a logic kind of like science person, rational person.
05:59So I take it literally, but I also understand the way the framing was, the fact that it was
06:05from behind.
06:06There's a, I think, I think what we, what we come to understand is that they both have
06:12a destiny that connects.
06:15And Navarro's destiny is to be, have one foot in each world and to never be able to
06:19choose one over the other.
06:20She's always coming back and always having to go back and forth.
06:23And that Danvers is, is in a, is a kind of an anchor.
06:27It's like, I will be here for you.
06:29I will be here when you come back and I will be here when you go.
06:31That I now am, have open to my fear that the person that I loved is never coming back.
06:38I trust that you will come back.
06:40Okay.
06:41Thank you so much.
06:41I love this show.
06:42Thank you so much.
06:43Thank you.
06:43Thank you so much.
06:48Thank you so much.
06:54Thank you.
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