00:00So, how painful was seeing Cap's shield in a museum?
00:06Well, that was, you know, it was, it was kind of emotional, you know, because when they lock it up
00:14and, and hearing his, his speech, Anthony did such a beautiful job of that, that, you know, speech that sort
00:22of set the, set the, the table for the, what he was thinking about the shield.
00:27And so, yeah, it was very emotional.
00:31Sam saved the world with the other Avengers.
00:36Bucky is now, is a hero too, but now Sam can get a loan from a bank and Bucky is
00:45doing therapy.
00:46So, in your opinion, what makes a real hero?
00:51So, this was a big theme of the, of the series and for our character.
00:56And of course, they're very different.
00:57They're coming from two very different places.
01:00So, as a result, we get to tell, we get to look at what a hero is from very different
01:05optics.
01:07From the beginning, I felt it was incredibly important to look at, you know, the, the man who carries the
01:13shield in terms of the, you know, the Steve of it.
01:17And from way back, it, this was an iconic image of what was really a soldier warrior.
01:25And that was born of the times, but is it relevant today?
01:31And so, really, our conversation and our drama is all centered around the conversation of, is what is a hero
01:40and what makes a hero relevant?
01:42So, when we, you know, I felt that as of 9-11, the, the whole, the, a hero had changed
01:50from, and I'm sure it was before that, but around that, it sort of became absolute.
01:55That a hero was a first responder or a frontline woman.
01:58And then through the pandemic, that became even more pronounced.
02:02And so, this is the conversation that was all part of what we'd already started, but became more relevant as,
02:10as the world, you know, in this last year of the, this crisis.
02:14And so, yes, so a hero has changed.
02:16And we don't tie it up.
02:18We don't try to, you know, solve it.
02:22But really, we're proposing for the audience to have their own opinions, but that to go on the, the ride
02:28with us while we're having this, you know, drama around it.
02:32The first section seen in this first episode is amazing.
02:37The, the air scene.
02:39I want to know everything about that scene because it's really spectacular.
02:43Oh, well, thank you for that.
02:44You know, I looked to extreme sports videos.
02:48There was no other, I couldn't look to any other action sequence that was relevant because this was all in
02:55the air and, and it was unique to Falcon.
02:57And I wanted to make it as, as, you know, Falcon, like we'd never seen him before.
03:03So, we put cameras all over him and all over our guys.
03:07And the nice thing is now today, instead, I wanted it to be experiential.
03:11So, we were really in the air with him.
03:13And so, we really did.
03:14We put cameras all over guys and they jumped out of planes and they jumped into helicopters and we flew
03:20with them.
03:21And so, that's, that's how we achieved it.
03:24Nice.
03:25I know that there will be more action, but Malcolm Spellman told me that we are also going to cry.
03:34So, I want to ask you, how can we prepare for that moment?
03:38Well, hopefully, it'll take you by surprise.
03:40So, there's no preparation you could possibly have.
03:43But, you know, every moment is very thought out.
03:46And the actors, even the action sequences, they're always character story or, or story.
03:53You know, there, there's never an action sequence for, for no reason.
03:57And as we get to know our characters and they become more and more our friends, because we've never really
04:01gone home with Bucky or Falcon.
04:04And so, we've, we've, we've known them for a long time, but we've never known them the way we're going
04:10to get to know them.
04:11And as a result, we get inside their emotional life.
04:16You know, their, their personal life is affecting everything they do.
04:20So, I'd like to think that even in the action sequences, because we know more about them, we are rooting
04:27for them in a different kind of way.
04:29Every time we are going to see an old guy in the background, are we going to say, oh my
04:35God, it's Cap or not?
04:40I don't know what, what, what I can say, though, is, you know, he was their friend.
04:48And they, they're, cause they're not really friends, the two of them, right?
04:52They're, they're, they've known each other, they've fought with each other, but, or side by side, but they, but they've
04:58never really been friends.
05:01So, you know, they, but what they do share is the loss of a friend.
05:05And so it's through that loss and through the, the, you know, the, I guess the loneliness in a way
05:12that they end up kind of stuck together, even though they don't really want to be.
05:19So, so Steve, you know, will always be that guy.
05:22I want to know something, if you can tell me about, um, Daniel Brühl, uh, he will be again, uh,
05:30Zemo.
05:31He was spectacular in the, um, uh, past movie.
05:34So, uh, there's a difference between that character and this one.
05:41Well, as with all villains, um, you know, we get to spend now more time with him.
05:46So we are going to, we're going to, um, discover other things about him that we didn't know.
05:51And, uh, and I think that just by, by its very nature, uh, the fact we can spend time with
05:57him is going to change what we think of him.
06:00In the credits, there's a name, uh, that is really relevant for, uh, comic book lovers because, um, Power Broker
06:09is the name that Dr. Malus uses in the, in the comics.
06:14Can you tell me something?
06:15I'm going crazy, like for WandaVision or, or there's something there?
06:20You just have to keep watching the show.
06:22You'll find out, uh, for sure.
06:24But, uh, yeah, keep watching the show and it all will come clear.
06:28Okay.
06:29Okay.
06:29Uh, I'm going to show this interview, um, at ultra pop festival, uh, which is a web festival about nerd
06:38and pop culture.
06:40So I want to ask you if you're a nerd, if you consider yourself a nerd and if you are,
06:45what does it mean being nerd for you?
06:50You know, I don't know whether I'm a nerd.
06:52Does anybody like it?
06:53Does anyone know if they're a nerd?
06:55Don't other people tell you you're a nerd?
06:57Right.
06:58So, um, so I'm not sure whether I've ever defined myself that way, but what, what, um, perhaps to answer
07:05that question, I I'd have to ask my husband and my daughter and whether or not they think of me
07:10as a nerd, because that's probably, I might be very surprised by the answer.
07:13Um, but what it means, I think is, um, to, to have the passion about, uh, worlds and, um, to
07:23enjoy them in a way that is, um, unique to you.
07:27Right.
07:28So you get to, you get to jump into these worlds, these imaginary places, as well as, by the way,
07:33be, you know, super smart.
07:35So there's that, uh, right.
07:38But I think it's the passion that I appreciate, um, for, uh, uh, you know, for the, the sheer joy
07:46of imagination.
07:47I think that the show is also, um, political because we see that Sam, um, isn't so keen to accept
08:00the role of Captain America because, uh, his country, uh, didn't care so much for him because he's a black
08:09guy.
08:09So it was intentional, was part of this conversation that we are all having today.
08:18Yeah.
08:18Well, by its nature, from the beginning, it was baked into that, right?
08:23From the beginning, it was a conversation, uh, because at the end of Endgame, the shield was handed to a
08:31black man.
08:31So right there, that was the beginning of what this conversation was going to be.
08:36Um, so yes, it's very racially charged.
08:39Very important.
08:40And a very important one does, as we go through this, the, the series, does a black guy want this?
08:48And he starts out by saying, actually, it's old.
08:51It's an old idea.
08:53Um, it's his, it's Steve's, this belongs to him.
08:58Um, and then of course it, it, it comes back, you know, in his face, uh, when the Smithsonian, um,
09:03releases it.
09:04So, um, it really is going to be a conversation about, is the world ready for a black man to
09:11carry such an iconic red, white, and blue symbol.
09:15And in the last year, of course, with the conversations, um, and the racially charged protests and so on, and
09:22events that happened around the world, I think this conversation is not just important, but it is incredibly relevant right
09:30now.
09:30And once again, I don't know that we come up with solutions, I think we present the debate, and it's
09:37for the audience to feel like they are part of the conversation.
09:42Okay, thank you so much.
09:43Great work.
09:44Amazing.
09:45Thank you.
09:45Bye.
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