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Intervista a Pilou Asbæk, da Game of Thrones alla miniserie The Investigation, disponibile su Sky e Now Tv.
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00:00Is that a baby Yoda?
00:02Yes!
00:15In the first episode, your character and the main character said that they hate losing.
00:24I want to ask you, do you hate losing too?
00:26And do you think that it's important to accept when we lose?
00:33I don't know.
00:34I think right now with the pandemic, we're all losing.
00:39It's such an unbelievable depressing time at the moment.
00:44It's so strange.
00:46I've been working with Tobias Lindhunt for many, many, many years.
00:51The way he wrote the script, we would start with a chord where they would lose.
00:56So we know they both hate losing and they want to go through hell and fire to win.
01:04And then the network took that scene out and we were like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
01:11We've got to establish the premise of the story with them being, with them losing a case.
01:21So the character, I hate losing.
01:25I, to be honest, Valentina, I don't care.
01:38I have been playing games my entire life and I have lost and I have won.
01:47And you know what?
01:48At the end of the day, it's 50-50 and I'm the youngest of three brothers, three boys.
01:53and being the youngest, you always lose.
01:59Always.
02:00You get your ass beaten and you always lose.
02:02So for me, it's, it's, it's, it's, I don't have that.
02:09You know, people have like a winning instinct.
02:12They always want to win.
02:14Um, I'm like, ah, I don't care.
02:18I just want to, I just want to eat good food and good alcohol.
02:23You're, you're so Italian.
02:26So Italian.
02:26We, we know that too.
02:28But my mom is Latin.
02:30My mom is Latin.
02:31So that's the reason why for me, it's always, it doesn't, when I talk in Denmark, I'm like this.
02:36And I'm like, you know what I mean?
02:38You know, you know, and people, people always get so like, you're not very Scandinavian.
02:43Pilou, you got please.
02:45No, you can't express emotions.
02:47You can't do anything.
02:48Is that a baby Yoda?
02:51Yes.
02:52I love, wait, look at this.
02:55I know you have a baby Yoda cake.
02:57Yes.
02:58On Instagram.
02:59Yes.
03:02And so you, you love cakes because you have many cakes on your Instagram.
03:07Yeah.
03:08I love cake and I love baby Yoda and Mandalorian.
03:12Boom.
03:12Yeah.
03:14I must be a little bit Italian.
03:16This is also a story about obsession.
03:18You, you don't mind if you lose, but are you a little bit obsessed with things, with your work?
03:24Because sometimes obsession is, is dangerous, but it's also the starting point to a great job, a great work.
03:31So are you a little bit obsessed?
03:34I'm obsessed.
03:35I'm obsessed.
03:36I take, I, I, I, I, I, all the films I've ever done, all the work I've ever done.
03:43I'm 100% dedicated.
03:45Everyone says that.
03:47And some people approach their work with different techniques.
03:52And now we're talking about actors' drama techniques.
03:57Is it Meissner?
03:58Is it Stanislavski?
03:59Is it Lee Strasberg?
04:02Is it method acting?
04:04Which is kind of a Meissner, Strasberg-ish inspiration.
04:08So you have these many, many different approaches.
04:12And I went to drama school for four years, the National School of Fine Arts.
04:17And, and I love the process.
04:22And I have, I always say, tell my friends when we're, and I always work with my friends.
04:27I'm very, very lucky to be working with people again and again and again.
04:32Always tell my friends that we, until the moment we start shooting, until the moment we start and say action,
04:39we can develop the character.
04:41We can develop the script.
04:43But the moment we're in the process, we have to execute it.
04:47Which means that you can, you can, you, everything is okay.
04:51And everything is allowed.
04:52But the moment we're shooting, you have to have it restrained and controlled to be free in it.
04:58It's the same thing when you went to school and you had your teacher and your teacher told you,
05:03write whatever you want.
05:05And you would be like, what the fuck?
05:08What do I want?
05:09But the moment I said, write about this Coca-Cola.
05:13What do you see?
05:14Your inspiration kicks in.
05:16So I'm, I don't know if I answered your question, but I'm very, I'm, I'm, I would,
05:25I am what people would call manic and a work, workaholic.
05:32I, everyone loves, loves it except my family.
05:40This TV show is, um, is different because, um, we, we can help when we see a car accident,
05:49we have to, to look.
05:51It's, it's, uh, uh, we have to, this show instead, uh, doesn't show ever, um, the body doesn't show
06:00even the victim or, or, or the, the killer.
06:04So it's all based, uh, on silence.
06:07And, and, and it scared me more, more was scarier.
06:11So do you agree?
06:12Sometimes silence, don't show in things is more scary, scarier.
06:18Oh, for sure.
06:19But if you, you know, when you read Shakespeare, because of the whole technical element of showing
06:25a killing or people dying, it's difficult and it is explicit.
06:30And you don't know if, if, if, if, if you don't know how your audience will comprehend it.
06:39So with Shakespeare, Shakespeare always had a person coming on stage and said, Oh, brother,
06:45brother, he killed himself by taking poison.
06:48And that instant moment, I tell you, he killed himself by taking poison.
06:53You get a create, you create your own imagery.
06:56You create your own image in your brain of the character, the poison, and how it looked
07:04like.
07:05That's the reason why when you do adaptation for books, people, the ones who have actually
07:09read the books always get super angry.
07:12And trust me, I have felt that on Game of Thrones, that the moment, the moment you work
07:17with an audience who has read the book, the passion is 100%.
07:22I think you're right.
07:24I, I, I, I, I really do.
07:26It's, it's, it's, it's, um, but it's, it's, it's a slow burn.
07:31The investigation is a very slow burn.
07:34And for me as, as a personal, on a personal level, on a personal note, I, uh, it was very
07:43important.
07:44The parents were willing to tell this story.
07:48And actually, Jens Müller, who is portrayed by Sean Malling, never met the killer throughout
07:58the entire investigation because he didn't want to interview him because he was afraid
08:03that he would be contaminated by his impression, his impression of the killer.
08:10Does that make sense?
08:12So it was a very natural part of the story that we, that we didn't, we weren't forced
08:19to show PM, uh, that's his name, PM.
08:23I don't want to say his name because we shouldn't waste air on him or time on him.
08:27What is the most dangerous thing?
08:30Me giving you explanations of how it looked in the submarine or you seeing it?
08:37Because if I show you a photo and I go to you and I go Valentina, there was a little
08:46bit
08:46of drop inside, a little bit of blood and moist and the floor is slippery.
08:56Instantly you get images instantly.
08:59You see it and you use your own imagination and you know what they found one strap to hold
09:06the wrist, one strap to hold her tight.
09:09If I showed you that, you would just see a wet floor with a little bit of blood and you
09:14would go like, Oh, that's a floor with a little bit of blood.
09:16But the moment I say this and I give you all these images, it's way, way stronger.
09:23And it's also, it feels better to be part of as an artist, to be part of a story where
09:32it's not so explicit, where it's more in the respect of the victims.
09:37That said, I am a sucker for true crime.
09:42I've watched everything because I'm fascinated by it.
09:47Like you said, I want to, I want to see the car crash.
09:50I want to see the car crash.
09:53So you love Mindhunter too, because Tobias directed some episodes.
09:58I want the third season.
10:00Please do something.
10:01They're not going to make it.
10:02Do something.
10:03Yes, I know.
10:04I actually met David Fincher.
10:06I met David Fincher.
10:08If I meet him again, I'll go like make Mindhunter 3 and then do it with European guys and take
10:14me in it.
10:16I hope you do it.
10:18I really do.
10:19Since you mentioned it, I have to ask Game of Thrones ending, guilty or not guilty?
10:28I've never felt, it was, it was very interesting because when I read the script, I loved it
10:33and I still love the ending.
10:35I still think it's beautiful.
10:37And like I've said in other interviews, it's like being with a girlfriend for six years,
10:4310 years.
10:44And every day you're kissing her and you're looking her into the eyes and you tell her
10:48this girl, you love her or boy, depending on what you like.
10:53And then all of a sudden this person turns around and says, I don't think the love there
10:57is anymore.
10:58The love is here anymore.
10:59And she, that person moves away and that will make you angry.
11:04People got angry that it ended and, and we felt it, but I'm still proud of it.
11:12Come on.
11:12I had a tiny role in the biggest show ever in the history of shows.
11:21And, and, and, and, and, and, and I'm not here to judge anyone.
11:26I just, I, I was, I'm just so happy and proud to be part of it and to be working
11:31with all
11:31those incredible people who did their best.
11:35And to all the people criticizing it, try you write a show that lasts for 10 years.
11:41It's, it's more difficult than you think.
11:43You were the pirate of Game of Thrones.
11:47You were amazing.
11:48Rock pirate of Game of Thrones.
11:51Thank you.
11:52And so.
11:53This is why I love Italians.
11:56You're always positive.
11:58We try.
12:00Yeah.
12:01And in the show, it said that everybody makes mistakes, but few admit it.
12:07So do you think that it's important to, to say when, when we are wrong and face it?
12:15Yes.
12:15I think it's very important.
12:18You know what I love?
12:19I love talking to you because you, you, you, you, you were asking me different questions.
12:23It's always the same questions, but you talk.
12:26It's so much more.
12:28It's so, it's so much more abstract.
12:30It's the other power.
12:32Yeah.
12:33No, but I love it.
12:34I love it because it's always like, it's, you know, an interview is only as good as
12:41his questions.
12:43Does that make sense?
12:44Yeah.
12:45Yeah.
12:45So for you to give me these, for you to give me so much meat, I hope I can return
12:50it in
12:51a good way.
12:52I think right now we're creating a perfect world.
12:55We're creating a perfect world through social medias, through politicians, not want to admit
13:01they make mistakes.
13:03We're, we, we are creating a society that needs to be flawless.
13:07And I can tell you one thing, the more flawless we will be, the more flawless, flawless we will
13:12seem, the more flawed we will be.
13:16It's very, very, of course we can, you know, wash and, and trim and present yourself in a
13:25nice way.
13:26That's not what I'm talking about.
13:28I'm talking about the essential human flaws like greed or jealousy or, or, or, or hate
13:39or manipulation.
13:41Those flaws that might not be very attractive, but I think we should let them be human.
13:48And I think we should talk about them.
13:50And I think it's very, I'm, for example, I think everyone needs to go into therapy just
13:56a little bit to talk about how to communicate because the way, I don't know how it is in Italy
14:01right now, but the way we communicate online, it's horrible.
14:05It's everywhere.
14:07Yeah.
14:08Horrible everywhere.
14:09It's so evil and it's so angry.
14:12It's so angry.
14:14And I'm like, where's all this hate coming from?
14:18Why are we so angry?
14:21You know, I don't, I don't get it.
14:23So I think it's very, very, very important that you dare to be you.
14:31And you dare to be honest, but you also dare to love, because if you actually let down your
14:40guards and you actually share a little bit of love, I promise you, I've never met a person
14:47where I didn't give that person a compliment that didn't smile or give a positive response.
14:54And, and I am on a personal note regarding flaws.
15:00I, I love characters that are flawed because I think they're human beings.
15:05And if you look at all of the work I've ever done, they're always human beings.
15:12When I did Borg and a Danish political TV show, when I did the Game of Thrones, when I did
15:18investigation, they're always flawed characters that are trying to do their best.
15:23And they're always very good at their work, which is very important because you want to
15:29have your audience admiring them, but also to be a little bit wiser than them, because
15:35then you as an audience are more invested.
15:38Then you're a little bit like, why the, why are you doing this?
15:41Why?
15:41Come on, don't do it.
15:43You know, like when you're seeing a horror film and the character and the, is everything
15:47is, it's dark outside and you're like, I'm going to go out and check if the killer's outside
15:53and you're like, you're an idiot.
15:56No one would do that.
15:57But that's the flawed in a bad way.
16:00You want to be flawed in a good way, but I like it.
16:04I think it's very important.
16:05And I'm, I'm not afraid of on a personal level.
16:09I'm not afraid of admitting when I made mistakes, but I'm not going to admit it about season
16:15eight on Game of Thrones.
16:19I see what you're doing.
16:22You spoke about social media.
16:25We, we constantly talk.
16:27We constantly see video images.
16:29We are always connected, but in this TV show, silence is almost a character.
16:36is the, is the third main character.
16:40So why do you think that today we are so afraid of silence?
16:45Why is so scary silence?
16:47When I come to, are you based in Rome?
16:50Yes.
16:52When I'm in Rome next time, you have to take me out for a beer.
16:55I love talking to you.
16:57I'm glad when you want, whenever you want.
17:01Perfect.
17:02Wonderful.
17:02No, for sure.
17:03I think, I don't know.
17:08I'm the same person.
17:09If I'm in my car driving, I have to, I have to call someone.
17:16I cannot be alone.
17:18And I don't know if it's, I'm afraid of myself or I'm afraid of, of, of, of the silence.
17:28Or, I don't know if this is, if this might be abstract, but it's also maybe a little
17:34Uberto Eco-ish that, that, that if I'm not heard, if nobody hears me or see me, I don't
17:43exist.
17:45You, you, you understand what I'm saying?
17:47Yeah.
17:48Yeah.
17:48Yeah.
17:49If I don't post, I don't exist.
17:51Yeah.
17:52Exactly.
17:52Cogito ergo sum, post ergo sum.
17:55Yeah.
17:56Yeah.
17:56So, so it's, it's, it's, it's, I'm afraid.
17:59I'm afraid.
18:00And, and, and, and I'm in a process right now.
18:03This, now it is becoming like my therapy session with you right now.
18:07It's wonderful.
18:08It's very, you're, you're, my heart.
18:10Um, it's, it's, it's, it's, I have to learn myself and my daughter that it's okay not to
18:20be on as in on, as in presenting yourself always.
18:24And it's okay to have secrets, have secrets because people who have secrets are often more
18:30interesting.
18:31So it's okay to be private.
18:34It's okay not to be on social media.
18:36It's okay not to connect with the rest of the world constantly.
18:40It is okay to eat a meal and not take a photo of it, you know?
18:46Yeah.
18:47And, and, and, and, and one thing is I'm teaching my daughter this, but I'm extremely bad at doing
18:55it myself.
18:57Okay.
18:58I know it's fine, but I just can't do it.
19:02I understand perfectly.
19:04Last question.
19:05Um, you, uh, are doing movies right now with Sylvester Stallone, uh, Jackie Chan, John Cena.
19:12Why do you feel the need to become an action hero?
19:17Why?
19:20I don't know if that was, uh, or, uh, um, I, I, to be honest, I want to work with
19:34these
19:34legends because in five years they don't make movies anymore.
19:39and don't tell them I said that, but I don't think they are going to work in five years.
19:44I don't know.
19:45What do I know?
19:46So I want to work with them.
19:48And right now, uh, my European cinema is very different from my American cinema.
19:55My American cinema has been very buff and big heroes or big villains and very evil, but
20:02my European work is much more nuanced and much more, uh, different.
20:07And the goal is for sure to do what I'm doing in Europe, to do in American films, I, uh,
20:15to
20:16make movies that is not black and white, like on social media, but much, much more with the
20:22gray areas.
20:23You know what I mean?
20:25Uh, that said, Jackie Chan.
20:27Awesome.
20:28John Cena.
20:29Awesome.
20:29Sylvester Stallone.
20:32He's a legend, but I just did a space film where I just did a movie called ISS where, uh,
20:43which I'm not the villain in, but that was very nice.
20:46It was nice to, it was nice to, and that's an American film.
20:49I just finished it, um, uh, four days ago.
20:54And, uh, those are the films I want to make now.
20:59No more, no more, no more superheroes, big blockbuster.
21:04I want to make movies that, um, you know what my mom say?
21:09I'm a, I love my mom.
21:11I'm a, I'm a mama's boy.
21:13So like all Italian men.
21:16Yeah.
21:16I was saying.
21:17Yeah.
21:18It's true.
21:19Um, my mom said something very interesting.
21:23She said, some projects will make you rich.
21:26Some projects will make you famous.
21:30And very, very rarely are those two things combined.
21:37And I might need to go in and make more things that makes me, that make me, uh, creatively
21:44satisfied.
21:45I love the jobs I've done so far, but I can feel now I want to go home to Europe
21:51and make
21:51movies where I'm not the villain.
21:53I'm a little bit tired of the villain, to be honest.
21:57You're so nice.
21:58Why they make you always do the villain?
22:01It's strange.
22:02I don't know.
22:03I don't know.
22:04I know everyone always wants me to be the villain.
22:06I don't get it.
22:06I want to do romantic comedies.
22:08I want to, I just want to have fun.
22:10Um, but the good thing is the villain is so difficult for me to make that when I can make
22:16a romantic comedy, it's like a walk in the park.
22:19It's something fun and good.
22:21I, I, maybe it's because, maybe it's because, um, I don't know.
22:27I don't know.
22:27I have an accent.
22:29That's the reason I'm a villain often.
22:32Americans always want to have evil people with accents.
22:36Hmm.
22:38Hmm.
22:39Okay.
22:40Maybe because you have crazy eyes in Game of Thrones, you, you had crazy eyes when you
22:47want, not always.
22:49No, no, no.
22:49But it's, it's a joke.
22:50It's funny.
22:51You say that because my, my, my, my friends in Denmark, my colleagues in Denmark, we, um,
22:58whenever I make a film with them, they always go like, Pilou.
23:03And that means stop with this.
23:06Um, I have crazy, and we call them crazy eyes.
23:10We call them crazy eyes.
23:11I didn't know it.
23:12No, but I love it.
23:14That's the reason why I always do like this when I'm in my movies.
23:19because then they're not, because they're very white.
23:26Okay.
23:27Okay.
23:28I, I'm afraid now.
23:30I would be afraid.
23:33Thank you so much.
23:34You're amazing.
23:35You're welcome.
23:36You owe me a beer in Rome.
23:38Whenever you want.
23:39I'm here.
23:40I'm here.
23:40Call me.
23:41Thank you so much for taking the time.
23:45And if there's anything you need more, just let me know.
23:47And you can always call.
23:48Absolutely.
23:49Okay.
23:50Okay.
23:51Thank you.
23:52You're welcome.
23:53You're welcome.
23:53Bye.
23:54Nice guitars.
23:54Nice guitars.
23:56We can also play with a beer.
23:58You play.
23:58I sing.
23:59Perfect.
24:00Deal.
24:02Done.
24:03Bye.
24:04Bye-bye.
24:05Bye-bye.
24:05Bye-bye.
24:06Bye-bye.
24:06Bye-bye.
24:07Bye-bye.
24:07Bye-bye.
24:10Bye-bye.
24:10Grazie.
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