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Welcome back to another interview episode, this time around, one of our members, Eric (@AgeOfMyself) was representing us at ACE Comic Con and got the chance to sit down with Marc Guggenheim who revealed some awesome stuff about his work and the future of his shows such as ARROW.
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00:02Eric here with Discussing Film
00:04and I'm here with Mr. Mark Duginheim
00:06Mark, how are you doing?
00:07I'm good, I'm good
00:08You like it around here?
00:09You ever been here before?
00:10Yeah, well I've never been to this convention before
00:12this is the first year of Ace Comic Con I guess
00:16You've been to Long Island before?
00:17I grew up on Long Island
00:18Oh you did?
00:19Yeah, yeah
00:19Nassau or Suffolk?
00:21Nassau, for Washington
00:21Oh, oh
00:22So actually this is my first time at the new Nassau Coliseum
00:25but I was at the old Nassau Coliseum quite a bit
00:27Did you go to Islanders games?
00:29We did, I went to Islanders games, Billy Joel concerts
00:32Who hasn't gone to a Billy Joel concert?
00:35That's true
00:35Back in the day there were these indoor soccer leagues here
00:40and it was the Arrows, the New York Arrows
00:43Yeah, they also had the Dragons football team
00:45Oh, I think that was after my time
00:47Oh
00:48After my time
00:49But yeah, they had the Arrows and you know
00:51we could see the circus here when I was a kid
00:53and you know, it was fun
00:54All right, well speaking of time
00:56it's been, what is it, five years since Arrows started?
00:59Well, we're in our sixth season, so a little over five years
01:02Man, how wild of a ride has it been?
01:04Oh, crazy, it's been an incredibly wild ride
01:07I mean, in so far as like, I don't think any of us ever expected the show to be as
01:10big as it was
01:11or to birth as many other shows as it did
01:13and it's kind of a small miracle
01:16Yeah, because when you started out, didn't you just say like, no powers, we're going to kind of keep this
01:20Nolan inspired a bit?
01:21Yeah, how'd that work out?
01:23Uh, yeah, we clearly did not stick to that
01:25Um, but you know, I think
01:27You know, I think, I think it, what ended up happening was it ended up making the whole world a
01:33lot richer
01:34and the trick with Arrow is always like, how do we sort of keep it to its roots while at
01:38the same time still acknowledging that there's a world now with superheroes
01:41Super, you know, super-powered people out there
01:42Mm-hmm, mm-hmm
01:44I gotta say, uh, I really love what you, uh, have done with, uh, Legends this season
01:48Uh, I was a little, uh, so-so on season one, like, because season one, didn't they, like, drag it
01:56out longer than you originally wrote it for?
01:58Uh, no, I think it just felt that way to everybody
02:01Because, look, we, we were, there were a lot of problems with season one, we didn't have the show really
02:05figured out
02:06Um, and, uh, you know, it only, I think it was 16 episodes for a season
02:10So, probably just seems long
02:13Uh, I could have sworn it, it was, like, originally eight or something
02:15Uh, nope, nope, it was always
02:17Yeah, and then, uh, season two, like, uh, I, I, it came a bit more stronger
02:22I think there was still some, uh, some, uh, problems with it
02:25But, I think the one that really killed it was, the one that was really good was, uh, Legion of
02:30Doom
02:30Because it was, like, you know, it was so funny and everything
02:33And, uh, and then season, season three, when you're on out, I think you took that to heart
02:38And now you just went full, you know, full crazy with it
02:41It's full crazy and full, yeah, I, I, I think, you know, I, I think we've just always been trying
02:47to sort of figure out what the show does best
02:48And do more of that, and, uh, I'm really, the writers have done an amazing job this year
02:53And the actors, and it's been great
02:54Yeah, it's all, like, the skits and everything, like, so, like, uh, is there a lot of, uh, what is
03:01the word? Improv?
03:04Uh, no, uh, every now and again, you know, someone will throw out a different line
03:08There are, like, ad-lib lines by the various cast members
03:11Uh, for the most part, they, they stick to the script, but, um, you know, a lot, if it's a
03:16good ad-lib line, we'll throw it in there, um, you know
03:19I gotta say, yeah, it's, there's been some strong comedy this season
03:23But, uh, like that last episode with Young Stein, he uses the, uh, bow and arrow, and then you hear
03:29the arrow theme for a second
03:30That's, that's pretty strong
03:31Thanks, yeah, that was, uh, I, I, I will say, like, we were in the editing room, uh, on that
03:38episode
03:38And I was like, we gotta hear the arrow theme right here
03:42It worked
03:43And then, I'm really glad, glad people caught up, caught, caught it
03:46I, I, I thought maybe that joke would be a little too subtle, but
03:49Yeah
03:49Um, but I'm glad we did that, that was fun
03:52Very, very Jingle All The Way inspired
03:54Yes, very, very much so, very much so
03:57And, uh, as, moving on, you know, it's like a lot of people are, uh, sort of, uh, leaving, do
04:02you think, would you say this is the era of ushering in, uh, more new people?
04:07Oh, uh, you mean, like, on Legends and stuff?
04:09Yeah, in general
04:10You know, I think, I don't know, I mean, I don't know how many characters we got leaving and going
04:13I think with Legends, it's always been a little bit of a
04:16Rotating roster
04:17Rotating roster
04:18Rotating roster, which is nice, um, you know, and it allows us to constantly refresh the show, uh, and, and
04:24keep the actors on for as long as they want to be on
04:26Uh, but it's, it's always, it's always nice to use as an opportunity to sort of, you know, introduce some
04:32new characters and have a breath of fresh air
04:34Mm-hmm, uh, now, in, like, regarding to, like, character use, have, uh, have you guys had any trouble recently?
04:40I know, like, uh, season three, didn't you have a kind of trouble using the Suicide Squad with Arrow?
04:45Uh, yeah, with, well, we were, we were, you know, just basically told, you know, we've got other plans for
04:51Suicide Squad, so, uh, particularly Deadshot, so, that's why we, you know, sort of did what we did, um, but,
04:59you know, it's, look, these are DC's characters, we're just renting them, you know, um, so,
05:04So, we use the characters that they tell us we can use when we can use them, um, and we
05:10work around whatever limitations are placed with us
05:12Yeah, what about, uh, Deathstroke, because, like, they're going on and off with that character
05:17Yeah, I think, you know, as a result, we've been on and off, uh, you know, for a time, they
05:22were saying, you can't use Deathstroke, uh, then, that changed, and we were able to have, you know, Slade Wilson
05:29back on the show
05:30And now, now we're back, now we're back to, now we're back to...
05:33Wait and see, oh, oh, they, they said they capped it off?
05:37Well, now working on the feature film version, it, it really is sort of, you know, now that you've got,
05:41you know, obviously Slade, spoiler alert, Deathstroke appears at the end of the Justice League movie
05:46That was a great scene
05:48And I think Joe is a great actor, and, you know, Manu's been, like, very encouraging of, you know, his
05:53work, and, you know, it's, it's, it's, there's these intervals, and we try to take advantage of our opportunities when
05:59we have them
06:00Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, uh, was there any, uh, plan for Booster? Didn't you try to get him show off
06:06the ground with him?
06:07Um, no, I think, uh, Greg Verlanti and Andrew Kreisberg were working on a Booster Gold movie, um, but because
06:13I wasn't involved with that, I don't know what the status is
06:15Mm-hmm, uh, and, uh, another thing, uh, going back to the movies, uh, Green Lantern, what was sort of
06:20the experience there? I feel sorry for what happened
06:23Um, yeah, thanks, I feel sorry about what happened, too
06:25You know, look, at the end of the day, you know, the thing about Green Lantern is, is we weren't
06:30the ultimate authors of that, like, you know, we did several drafts of the, of the script, and then it
06:37went off to another writer, who did his own pass on it, it gets produced, and it just sort of
06:43becomes out of our control
06:44So, you know, I think the lesson that we sort of took away from it is, like, if we're gonna
06:49do something like this, you know, if we're gonna go down, let's at least go down on our vision, you
06:55know, unadulterated, unfiltered through other people's hands
07:00Um, it is what it is, I always like to say, you know, it's the very first draft, so it's
07:06not a perfect draft by any means, but, uh, the very first draft is out there online
07:10Yeah, you know, you can find it with a quick Google search
07:12Mm-hmm, yeah, was that the most, uh, Superman at the end, or with Flash, or anything? I can't remember
07:17Uh, no, no, we didn't have any Easter egg at the end
07:19Uh, we had done, I think what you're talking about is, then we did a Flash screenplay, and, yeah, yeah
07:25And how Jordan showed up at the end of the Flash
07:27Okay, yeah, and, uh, with Flash, uh, after that kind of fell through, you kind of just took that to
07:32the show, right?
07:33Um, yeah, I mean, I was involved with the show, I'm still not involved with the show, um, so, you
07:38know
07:38You know, I think of you as CW, man, so I think you do everything
07:40I know, I appreciate that, and I never, you know, honestly, it's hard, because I never want to take credit
07:44for work I haven't done, you know
07:46So, I, I, it's very flattering that people think I have stuff to do with Flash and Supergirl, but I
07:52don't
07:53And while I think those shows are great, and the people involved with those shows are great, um, I never
07:57want to take credit for their hard work, because they're the ones doing the job
08:00Yeah, uh, speaking of characters, uh, Vic Sage, he's been brought up a few times, uh, you planning something? You
08:07still trying to get something?
08:08I'm always, I'm always, I'm the one bringing him up, uh, I, I always bring him up
08:12I just always feel like that character would be, uh, a really great fit with the tone of Arrow
08:17That said, you know, again, it's not our characters, it's DC's characters, and they've got other plans for the question,
08:24which is, which is awesome, because
08:25They do have other plans?
08:26Well, uh, if they didn't, I don't know what their plans are, but clearly they do have plans, otherwise we'd
08:31be using them
08:32Oh, okay, yeah, you'd be using them right away
08:36Yeah
08:36Uh, where would you say, like, uh, how far along are you with, like, Legends and Arrow, like, what episode,
08:42uh, had just finished?
08:44Uh, we can tell you, uh, Arrow, we are breaking episode 615, we're shooting episode 613
08:55Um, Legends, we are shooting, we're just starting to shoot 313, and we have, we're breaking 316
09:05Mmhmm
09:06Uh, so we're a little further ahead on Legends
09:08Yeah, uh, would you, would you say you sort of have the ideas for where you're gonna, uh, if you
09:14get Greenlit, do you sort of have ideas for where you're gonna go next?
09:16We actually do, uh, we do, we, we know how the seasons of both shows are gonna end, and, uh,
09:23how those, those endings will set up the next season of each, uh, of each of the shows
09:28So we, we actually do, we, we have a plan
09:30So, but, uh, you kinda take it, like, closer at a time, you don't have, like, the Marvel Studios master
09:35plan, right?
09:36Um, no, I think it's very hard in television to, like, you know, have a master plan in terms of,
09:42like, how many years out, you know, uh, you know, television works on a different kind of time horizon than
09:47Features does
09:48Um, that said, you know, I think we have a clear vision as to what we wanna do next year
09:53on both of the shows
09:54And, um, that's nice, it's, you know, we don't have official pickups yet, uh, on either show
09:59But we're very confident that we'll get additional seasons on both shows
10:03Are you up there in Vancouver when they shoot?
10:05Uh, not all the time, uh, uh, uh, uh, the writers and post-production are all in Burbank
10:11So that's where I have to spend the majority of my time
10:13I try to go up to Vancouver, like, every six weeks or so
10:15Yeah, um, but, uh, we have amazing teams on both shows in place in Vancouver
10:20They, they, they don't need me there
10:22Yeah
10:23You know
10:24Uh, one last character for me to mention what's gonna happen with, uh, if they're, if they're, if they're, they
10:29don't need me there, you know
10:29If they will ever show up, uh, Sergeant Rock, I know you kind of teased them a few times
10:32Oh, yeah, yeah, you know, he, to me, he's, like, such a great obvious choice for Legends
10:40Um, and, you know, never say never and DC hasn't said no, um, I think we're just, we're just waiting
10:46for the right story
10:46Mm-hmm, yeah, if you look at, like, the history of Sergeant Rock, like, he's kind of been more important
10:51in popular culture than you think
10:52Oh, yeah
10:53You know, uh, the first Predator movie, uh, Shane Black is there reading the comic
10:58Yep, yep
10:59No, I, look, I love Sergeant Rock and I, I love Joe Cooper, uh, who I always, that's the artist
11:04I always associate the most with Sergeant Rock
11:07Mm-hmm
11:07Um, you know, again, it's like, we don't want to, like, not do it right, we want to do it
11:13correctly, you know
11:14And to be fair, I mean, that character has been pretty untapped, so you'd have, you'd be free
11:18We would be very, very free, uh, we would be really, really free
11:21So, one of these days, that's the great thing about Legends, is we can go anywhere and do anything, so
11:25Mm-hmm
11:26All right
11:26Totally possible
11:27Yep, I think, and I think anything you do will be great, Mark
11:31I appreciate that
11:32I'm telling you, man, Legends, you're killing it this season and everything
11:35Thanks very much
11:36Thanks, Mark, thanks for everything
11:37Appreciate it
11:37Mm-hmm
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