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03:52εδώ, για να μιλάω να πήγει, αν αυτό είναι ένας εμφανιστικόφς από Ισρά,
03:58τι είναι το πράγμα για τον Πριν Μνήκρου Νοτιμιά?
04:00Ισάρτα για το Ισρά, εκείνον, καθώς είναιλλοί με το 7ο.
04:06Συνήθεια στη 7ο, υπάρχει μια μοναδοσία στη Μιδρή Αυτή.
04:11ίδιοίκο, και το πρόβλημα με το Ισάρτο, και το πρόβλημα με το ΣΤΤΑ.
04:16And with Hamas, actually, there is also a modulative ending between Israel and Hamas
04:24since Israel was accepting Qatar to send money, to bring money to Hamas.
04:30So there is a sort of balance.
04:33October 7th was such a trauma for the Israelis
04:37and also was so serious that Israel had decided that we couldn't go down,
04:44to go back to the situation of October 6th.
04:48We wanted to really change the geopolitical situation in the Middle East
04:56in a sense to impose a sort of hegemony in the Middle East.
05:02And they have been quite successful with the Hezbollah, really quite successful.
05:07So the last obstacle to the Israeli military supremacy is Iran.
05:15So sooner or later, really, Israel and Iran would confront really regularly and very directly.
05:26So I think for the Israelis right now, the question is to get rid of Iran
05:31as a great power in the Middle East.
05:34In the region.
05:35And that's what they are trying to do.
05:37So if tomorrow, I think Trump is tackle, if Trump is really saying,
05:43I'm leaving, I've won the war, this time I'm not convinced that Israel will stop the bombings.
05:50Of course, the message that we get with the line of succession
05:53is that the hardliners are still in place in Tehran.
05:57How do you see this playing out?
05:58Is there a scenario which ultimately they have no other choice
06:01but to get on the phone and talk to President Trump, even if until now it's just been retaliation
06:06and they've not picked up the phone that we know to Washington?
06:09No, I think, unfortunately, I think that if I were, you know, I tried to be, if I were an
06:14Ayatollah,
06:15I would simply do what the Iranians are doing right now.
06:18And I think that right now they hope, again, as I have said, that Trump will leave,
06:24saying I've won, I've killed Khamenei, and I have destroyed all the military capabilities of Iran.
06:31I'm leaving, and the result would be to have the bold states suddenly facing, I think,
06:41a revenge, a full of, really, an Islamic republic full of revenge,
06:46and really look at Khamenei the summer, you know, the new, apparently, the new supreme leader.
06:52really, you have to imagine, his father, his mother, his son, his brother, his sister-in-law,
07:00his nephew has been killed in a few days by the Americans.
07:05Really, he's a human being, whatever you think of him, he's going to make, I think,
07:10if the Americans leave, and I think they don't have the choice at the end of the day,
07:14he will want to have a revenge.
07:17And the gold stage will be actually very vulnerable.
07:21Of course, and there's a question around the security himself for this individual,
07:24but I've got to ask you about the Europeans.
07:27Where is Europe in this crisis?
07:28And the fact I've got to ask you says a lot.
07:30When I was teaching international relations in Paris,
07:34I was always saying, if you have a question about Europeans,
07:37the first sentence that you should use is the Europeans will be divided.
07:42We are, by definition, divided because we are, you know,
07:46we have different powers, different geography, with different history.
07:50Obviously, you see, for instance, that Germany is sticking to the U.S.
07:55and sticking to Israel.
07:57It's really, it's obvious.
07:59Most of the Europeans, I would say, are trying to hide themselves.
08:03They don't want to be taken between the American hammer and, again,
08:11maybe the Israeli handrail or the Iranian handrail.
08:14So most of the Europeans are looking the other way and waiting for the end of the crisis.
08:21We have some countries which are more active.
08:24Spain, Spain has been really on the front line of really sticking to the international law
08:34and has been very active.
08:36Some say Spain has now taken the part of France.
08:39If there was an echo to the Iran invasion, some would say Spain is now the French voice at the
08:44time.
08:44Would you agree?
08:45I think, in a sense, to be frank, I think the Spanish prime minister was on the front line.
08:51The French have rejoined, really have rejoined the Spaniards.
08:55And now, one by one, the European countries are really assessing that the operation is in a dead end
09:05and also assessing that their public opinion is more and more moved by the suffering of the civilian population in
09:15Iran,
09:16but also in Lebanon.
09:17And if I may, just lastly, of course, the one woman who seems to want to be very active
09:22is the head of the European Commission, are you surprised by the role that the head of the Commission is
09:27playing and wants to play?
09:28Is she in the wrong or ultimately is she a smart operator?
09:31I am a bit, you know, really, I'm a bit surprised because she's out of her competence.
09:37You know, the treaty, which is the basis of the European Union,
09:42doesn't give her any special competence in foreign policy.
09:47And on the top of that, she's sticking to a line, which, again, it's not the line of Spain.
09:54It's not the line of France.
09:56It's a German line, really.
10:00So, especially, which is more important, in a sense, than the treaties,
10:06is the fact that the Europeans are the last flag bearer of international law.
10:12So, really, it's, I should say, the DNA of the European Union is the international law.
10:21And to hear the president of the European Commission saying that,
10:25which really, it's not that important, the way the Germans actually are saying,
10:31what the Germans are saying, frankly, you can really, you can ask a lot of questions about that.
10:38Yes, I think there is a division in the European Union, not at a very bad moment.
10:45But, again, as I've told you, with the Europeans, they're always divided.
10:49But on this point, just very briefly, what she did say is that the EU stands for international law,
10:54but it cannot be the custodian of a world that no longer exists.
10:58Does she have a point or is she in the wrong?
11:00Is this the wrong time to make that statement?
11:02You know, frankly, to be for, it's a bit like somebody who is, well, it's very French,
11:09somebody who is in the middle of adultery and is going and is saying,
11:14oh, actually, I am in favor of the principle of marital fidelity while committing adultery.
11:23It's not, the international law is not only a principle, you know, really coming from heaven,
11:30but it's a policy, and which means that it should have consequences.
11:37And we should, the Europeans, really, in a sense, saying we have to react,
11:43to react against Israel and against the U.S.
11:48Well, Ambassador, thank you so much on the geopolitics and marriage, too.
11:52Thank you for joining us. Always great to see you.
11:54Thank you. A pleasure.
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