00:06I don't want to prolong this discussion. That has something to do with Alvin Aragon.
00:11I think things have been said. Lumabas na ng napakaraming emosyon. Lessons have been learned.
00:19Pero naiintindihan ko rin that this is the first time that we are actually talking about it.
00:26So, there is a need to address this. Kasi lalo na ikaw, Alex, pinangalanan ka.
00:31Na ang konteksto ng sinasabi ni Alvin was ay pinapayagan mo, magperform ang asawa mo,
00:38on stage, na naka-sexy outfits. Noong narinig mo yun, ano ang iyong reaksyon?
00:45After kasi na Valentine's Day yun, so galing kami ng date ni siya.
00:48Tapos pagkagising namin, marami nang nagtag sa amin.
00:51Siguro, hindi lang yung naging assessment ko lang dun sa nangyari.
00:57Kapag may kanya-kanya tayo kung paano yung paniniwala natin,
01:00paano yung relasyon natin sa asawa natin,
01:04kung paano natin suportahan.
01:06Kapag kinumpere mo na kasi yung sarili mo sa iba,
01:08at sasabihin mo na ikaw ang tama at mali yung isa.
01:12So, doon na po nagkakaroon ng problema.
01:15Kasi kapag sinabi mo lagi na ito ang tama, mali kayo.
01:18Okay, bakit hindi ka sumagot?
01:22Siguro, ginirespeto ko na lang yung ano,
01:24respeto ko na lang kung ano yung sinabi niya.
01:26Saka parang ang dami ko pong dapat intindihin sa bulakan
01:29para patulan po yung gano'ng issue.
01:31Oh, but this has something to do with your wife.
01:33Yes.
01:33And that's different.
01:34Dahil, espesyal na tao ang pinag-uusapan dito.
01:38Wala kang galit kay Alvin?
01:39Wala po.
01:40Wala po.
01:40Kasi ang nakikita ko po Tito Boy,
01:42yung sasabi niya na nagnanasa,
01:44dun sa tumitingin ay na may problema hindi dun sa sumasayo.
01:46Kasi kaya po sila...
01:47Doon sa linyang pinagnanasaan yung asawa.
01:50Kaya yung asawa.
01:50At pinapayagan yun.
01:51Kapo.
01:52Ang may mali dun yun,
01:53kung may pagnanasa yung nanonood.
01:55Pero kung yung...
01:57Tito Boy,
01:58concert yun.
02:00Ganon ang may costume.
02:01Kapag din alam mo sa simbahan,
02:03yung ganon klaseng costume,
02:04mali po yun.
02:05I understand.
02:05I hear you.
02:06Josh, ikaw,
02:08mula naman sa point of view ng performer,
02:11you're also Christian.
02:12Yes.
02:12Do you come from the same church?
02:15Ang alam ko po,
02:16victory din sinabi ko.
02:17Victory din eh.
02:17Oo, di ba?
02:18Ano ang iyong pananaw sa usapin ito?
02:20Well, for me,
02:22many of us,
02:23yung freedom,
02:24meron tayo talaga yan eh.
02:25Freedom to talk anything.
02:27But at the same time,
02:28gaya na sinabi ni VG,
02:31eh,
02:31kailangan mag-ingat tayo.
02:32Kasi,
02:34yung conviction eh,
02:35para sa akin,
02:36it's the conviction.
02:37Kung wala ka nitong conviction,
02:39parang kahit ano na lang,
02:41pwede mo itapon eh.
02:42So, parang mawawala na yung wisdom
02:44on how you will say it,
02:45mawawala yung love,
02:46being compassionate.
02:47Okay.
02:47Conviction with compassion,
02:48sabi nga ni Pastor Nang,
02:50ng Victory Pasay.
02:51Kasi, hininga namin siya ng paliwanag
02:53dahil,
02:54nung mga panahon na yun,
02:54gusto namin maintindihan
02:56yung usapin na yun.
02:58During the,
02:59parang,
03:00ah,
03:00cast party yata,
03:01nagkasama-samang mga asawa ng sex mom,
03:04pinag-usapan nyo si Alvin?
03:05Actually,
03:06hindi, hindi talaga.
03:07So, you didn't talk about it.
03:09Hindi po, hindi.
03:10Hindi ko sinasabi na pinag-usapan,
03:11na pinag-chismisa, no?
03:13Yung parang,
03:13we learn lessons eh.
03:15Ah,
03:15marami tayong natututunan
03:16sa mga karanasan natin.
03:18Minsan na,
03:19hindi tayo directly involved,
03:21pero involved ang mga kasamahan.
03:22Yes. Okay.
03:22So, you didn't talk about it, Alvin?
03:24Hindi talaga.
03:25Yung siguro,
03:26may grupo doon na napagkwentuhan,
03:27pero hindi siya ganun kalalim
03:29na parang,
03:30ang dating eh,
03:31ang mali sila, tama kami.
03:32Okay.
03:32So, parang,
03:33uy,
03:35napanod nyo ba yung kay Alvin?
03:36Ganyan-ganyan.
03:37Okay.
03:37So, tapos,
03:37hindi na niyo na masyadong opinion na lang.
03:40Tapos, hindi na siya lumalim.
03:41Pagdating sa pamilya,
03:43nanino,
03:43do you subscribe to that idea
03:45na,
03:46sa bahay,
03:47hari ang lalaki.
03:49He takes the lead.
03:50Ang wife and children
03:51must follow the lead.
03:54Dapat submissive
03:56ang mga kababaihan.
03:58Joshua, react to that.
03:59For me,
04:00it's kung ano yung strength
04:01nung tao na yan.
04:02I mean,
04:03sa partner ko,
04:04kung ano yung strength niya,
04:05yun yung sinusunod namin.
04:06Alam din naman niya,
04:07in the same way,
04:07kung ano yung strength ko,
04:09yun din yung masusunod.
04:10Pero ang tunog nun,
04:11it's a sense of equality
04:13in the partnership.
04:14Yes, yes, yes.
04:14Kung saan malakas,
04:16kung saan mahina.
04:17Sa pera,
04:17ako yung may wisdom dyan.
04:19Ako yung alam niya
04:20mag-steward nun.
04:22Okay.
04:22Ikaw, Alex?
04:22Ah,
04:23kailangan ano,
04:24hindi lang lead,
04:25mag-lead,
04:25kundi maging example.
04:27Maging good example.
04:28Okay.
04:29So, kaming dalawang mag-asawa,
04:30hindi pa pwedeng,
04:31hindi naman yung parang ako
04:32lang dapat ang laging masunod.
04:34Dapat pares kung ano yung
04:35napag-usapan namin dalawa,
04:37ayun yung gagawin namin.
04:38Hindi.
04:38Hindi nangangahulugan
04:39na lahat na gagawin ng asawa
04:41ay alam mo,
04:42magpapaalam sa'yo,
04:43submissive.
04:44Ah,
04:45magpapaalam,
04:45siguro,
04:46yung pagpapaalam
04:47is part na rin po
04:48ng respect mo sa asawa.
04:49Pero hindi lang niya.
04:50Dapat kayo rin nagpapaalam.
04:51Ganon din.
04:51Ganon din po kami.
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