00:02Now Joyce, it's very unusual to have your mother as your manager. How did you end up doing that?
00:06I actually started off being manager to my own husband, Marty Wilde, many years ago,
00:11thirty-four years ago actually, and we were having a very difficult time financially,
00:17and basically, you know, I had to do it, you know, in order to pay the mortgage and look after
00:23the kids.
00:24So what I'd like to know, are you more mum than manager?
00:27I'd say fifty-six. It's more mum. More mum. Yeah, probably more mum.
00:32I always think, Kim, that it's great in the business to have somebody who's really honest,
00:35who will give you an honest opinion, so does your mum do that?
00:38Yeah, definitely, especially, you know, quite sensitive areas like clothes or hair or make-up and stuff,
00:43which a lot of people say, oh darling, you look gorgeous, you know, you'll just get the sort of,
00:47you know, people being very nice and very sweet, but not very constructive.
00:50So, you know, mum can be very honest with me, but sometimes, you know, it's quite hard to be honest
00:55with people,
00:55you know, sometimes you don't want to hear that, you know, you just don't want to hear something,
00:59you want to hear what you want to hear, but that's not how it should be.
01:02Yes, you never wanted to hear my comments about your clothes, did you think?
01:05That's always because they were so dreadful.
01:06You're not going out on that.
01:09Why do you think your family's just so close?
01:11Now, we would identify with her, because we are a close family as well,
01:14but what do you think has been the binding factor in your case?
01:17I think it's a combination thing. I mean, ultimately, the most important thing is mum and dad.
01:21The fact that they're really quite crazy about each other, and it's that sort of love, you know,
01:26it's a foundation of love, and it's also a real commitment to the family that they made
01:30by taking us away with them when we were kids, making us feel like we were VIPs.
01:35We weren't just like, oh, go off to a school or go off with a nanny or something.
01:39You know, we had some help along the way, but primarily we were made to feel that we were very
01:43important.
01:43So it's kind of in later life, you kind of say, yeah, well, actually the family is very important,
01:48and you grow up with that outlook.
01:50I mean, if you grow up with an outlook that the family is irrelevant,
01:53then you possibly go on to have an irrelevant family life yourself.
01:57And then yours is a bit like having two families, because you have the older two and the younger two.
02:00Did that have advantages?
02:02We didn't consciously decide to have Kim and Rick and then leave a big gap like we have,
02:08but we lost a lot of babies, and it was due to a gynecological era,
02:12which was put right, ultimately.
02:15But, and I'd tell anybody out there, if they want to have a baby,
02:18don't let anyone tell you don't have a baby, because you must...
02:21Especially in later life.
02:22Especially in later life.
02:24You know, go and get an opinion, another opinion, like I did,
02:27because I wouldn't have my other two children now.
02:29So you must have spent most of your life being pregnant.
02:31Yeah, I was.
02:32Yeah.
02:33I was pregnant most of my life.
02:35But, you know, and now I've got those two other children, you know, I feel very, you know, very, very
02:40lucky.
02:41It must have been quite tough, though, for you, Kim, because obviously, having established that you are a close family,
02:45to watch your mum go through all of that must have been awful at the time.
02:48Yeah, it was very difficult, you know, it was easy when I was there.
02:52When I started to have my career and it was happening, it was very difficult.
02:56But it was a matter of just that, we just pulled together, it made the family very strong.
02:59We were supporting mum 100%, we wanted the children as much as mum did.
03:03And that gave her the strength.
03:06And so, you know, now you look back on it, and it hurts more looking back, actually, than it did
03:11at the time.
03:11Because at the time, you just get on with it, you know.
03:14Are you very keen to have kids yourself?
03:17I don't know.
03:17I think in the right circumstances, children would be a fantastic experience for me.
03:25Because I really like young people very much.
03:27I don't know what they think about me.
03:29Liz, you're going to sing for us now, so you can go off and gargle or whatever you do to
03:34warm your voice up.
03:35Thank you very much.
03:35I'm just going to have more shepherd's pie, actually.
03:37Yes, I'm just going to say, do you feel that you've been able to help Kim avoid some of the
03:41pitfalls that young people fall into in the business?
03:44I just hope that, you know, by now I've done my job in bringing Kim up and that she sort
03:47of has the common sense to know how to deal with that anyway, you know.
03:52Joyce, thank you very much for joining us.
03:53Any chance of you teaching mum to make that shepherd's pie?
03:56And I was singing the latest track of the Singles Collection.
03:59Here's Kim with In My Life.
04:04I'm feeling good with my life.
04:07I'm feeling good with my life.
04:21I'm feeling good with my life.
04:30There's no fun letting that bring you down.
04:35There's always something bad hanging around.
04:39There's lots of trouble and staring out.
04:42I know I'm feeling good with my life.
04:46Oh yeah.
04:46In my life.
04:48In my life.
04:49Everything is good with my life.
04:50In my life.
04:52I'm feeling like you know we should.
04:54In my life.
04:56Can't you see it's a mess girl.
04:58I'm feeling good with my life.
05:01Oh yeah.
05:02No better place to start there with you.
05:05Get your head together.
05:07Then follow through.
05:08It's not what you're saying, it's what you do
05:12I know, I'm feeling good in my life
05:16Don't have a size of your life to be
05:20Make all your dreams a reality
05:24You know there's nothing, can't bring you down
05:28I know, I'm feeling good in my life
05:32In my life, everything is feeling good
05:36In my life, feeling like you know we should
05:40In my life, can't you say it's understood
05:43I'm feeling good in my life
05:47We gotta make it, living together
05:51Learning to share our lives
05:54We've got to speak from the heart, find a new way to start
05:58Something we've all got to realize
06:04In my life
06:20Great track there from Kim Wilde
06:22And if she's ended up in a family full of singers
06:24We seem to have ended up with a family full
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