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00:00New Jack is in the balcony, 20 feet up!
00:04Jack would turn a ring into a riot scene, quick.
00:07No! Holy f***ing f***!
00:10But that was his job.
00:13He f***ed some people's lives up.
00:16He stabbed a dude during a match.
00:18Nice.
00:19He always had some type of f***ing razor, taser, staple gun.
00:24In a world where the lines of fiction and reality are blurred,
00:27no one pushed the boundaries further than Jerome Young,
00:32a.k.a. New Jack.
00:34I'm not selling out for y'all!
00:36If you don't like me, the hell with all of you!
00:39The line in wrestling between cooperation and physical assault is blurred.
00:44You can only go so far without your opponent knowing that it's coming.
00:50But how far is too far?
00:52F*** you, man. You know what you did. Period.
00:56And what happens when a wrestler lost in his character
01:00is set loose in a world that rewards extreme violence.
01:06You want to talk that big boy s*** to me?
01:09I would dare you to come to my face and say that s***.
01:13I would dare you.
01:14I eat your a** alive. I dare you.
01:25Far beyond the world of elbow drops and headlocks
01:28lies the underground realm of extreme hardcore wrestling
01:33where fans' appetite for real-life brutality is endless.
01:37When audiences thought they'd seen it all,
01:41New Jack took it to a whole new level.
01:43Many of his performances bordered on criminal and some crossed that line.
01:49In this episode, we'll pull back the curtain of wrestling's most provocative
01:52and controversial characters to reveal the man behind the monster
01:56and the legacy he has left in his wake.
02:01Okay, so for someone who's totally not familiar,
02:04who is New Jack?
02:06I could not sit here and swear in open court
02:09that anything that New Jack ever told me about his background was true or false.
02:12I've heard he was a bounty hunter.
02:14I've heard he had a number of justifiable homicides to his credit.
02:18The way he talks, the way he walks, the way he carries himself,
02:22this brother is real.
02:23Just imagine a badass, big African-American dude slinging drugs
02:27on one of the hardest streets in, like, Harlem, you know what I'm saying?
02:31If you fuck with him, he will kill you.
02:34Maybe not kill you, kill you, but he will fuck you up.
02:37He's that tough motherfucker, dude.
02:39I went to a movie called New Jack City,
02:42just getting into wrestling there.
02:44And when I heard the name New Jack,
02:46I started playing with it in my head,
02:48like hearing fans chant New Jack, New Jack, New Jack, New Jack.
02:53How did you come into wrestling?
02:55Like, who taught you the ropes?
02:56Ray Candy.
02:58I got in the ring with him,
02:59and he was like, trust me, let me train you.
03:02And then he told me something one day
03:04that fucked my head up so bad.
03:06You got to create something that you've never seen before.
03:11I said, what kind of mind fuck is that?
03:14You want to create a character?
03:16Create something you've never seen before.
03:19When I saw Jack come out,
03:22he just instantly picked up the energy in the room,
03:24and people reacted to it.
03:27I'm Jim Cornette, and in the mid-'90s,
03:29I ran a wrestling promotion in East Tennessee
03:31called Smoky Mountain Wrestling.
03:32Smoky Mountain Wrestling was looking to break into the Atlanta market,
03:35and we needed a heel.
03:37When I saw New Jack,
03:39he could project that aura of menace.
03:42So it was like just straight-up motherfuckers
03:45from the goddamn hood.
03:47And he had an intensity on his face,
03:49and then he gets the microphone,
03:51and he starts talking to the people,
03:52and this guy is talking a mile a minute,
03:54and he's getting people riled up.
03:56I don't feel nothing about these heel villains
03:58not liking me.
04:00Get in this ring,
04:01and I'll beat you like I own you.
04:03If Eddie Murphy was a bad-guy wrestler
04:05instead of a comedian,
04:07it would be New Jack.
04:08He could talk nonstop,
04:09and he could say these things in an entertaining way,
04:11but he would make you hate him.
04:14Beyond his natural charisma,
04:16New Jack infuses his character
04:17with a piercing level of real-world tension.
04:21L.A. was hot at the time
04:23because of the Rodney King thing going on.
04:25O.J. had just killed everybody in L.A.
04:27South Central L.A. was on the map,
04:29and the whole gimmick,
04:30the Raider gear, the gold chain,
04:32I took all of that and put it into my character.
04:35The Smoky Mountain Wrestling audience
04:37was predominantly white,
04:38predominantly redneck and hillbilly.
04:41All you had to say was,
04:42New Jack, go out,
04:44piss some white people off,
04:46and the rest was up to him,
04:47and it was gold.
04:48It was genius.
04:49I'd like to send a special shout-out
04:51to my homeboy, O.J. Simpson.
04:54Keep up the good work, baby.
04:56Two less we got to worry about.
04:58You understand?
04:59Keep up the good work.
05:01I was like,
05:01I want these motherfuckers
05:02to believe what I'm doing.
05:05I want them to believe
05:06what I'm saying is fucking real.
05:08To enhance New Jack's
05:10cutting-edge character,
05:11he is paired with
05:12the perfect enforcer,
05:14another Smoky Mountain recruit
05:15named Mustafa Saeed.
05:17He didn't say much,
05:19but he looked like
05:20he would kill somebody.
05:21And I said,
05:22a guy that can talk
05:23like this New Jack.
05:24I'm here,
05:25and I'm gonna be here
05:27until I feel like
05:28I want to leave.
05:29And a guy that looks
05:31like Mustafa
05:32would be a great tag team.
05:34So he said,
05:34what's your tag team name?
05:35I said,
05:36well, actually,
05:36we don't have a name.
05:38See, and he said,
05:39what about the gangsters?
05:40I said,
05:41what about the gangsters
05:42with an A-S on the end?
05:44Just picture a hard-ass
05:46freaking movie
05:47in the hood somewhere, dude,
05:49and they're the baddest
05:49ass dudes in the nut.
05:51I'm the Sam man.
05:52I've been a professional wrestler
05:53since 1989.
05:55I'm the dude.
05:56I'm gonna play you
05:57in a game of pull,
05:58and then when I lose,
05:59I'm gonna hit you
06:00over the head
06:00with a stank
06:01and drink your beer anyway.
06:02That's me in a nutshell.
06:04Yo, the gangsters
06:05had a lot of heat
06:06down there
06:07in them white neighborhoods.
06:08The gangsters were
06:10a group of young,
06:12angry black men
06:13telling every white person
06:16everything every other
06:18black person
06:18wanted to say but couldn't.
06:20You little Caucasian
06:21white devil,
06:22I told you
06:23that I would get you.
06:24The next time
06:25that I get to put my hands
06:27around that little
06:28pink neck of yours,
06:29I'm gonna choke
06:30the life out of you.
06:31My name is D-Lo Brown.
06:32I'm a 26-year pro.
06:35God, that sounds so old.
06:37My role in the gangsters
06:38was I was their
06:39head of security.
06:40In reality,
06:41I was the bump guy.
06:42You know,
06:42gangsters would lose
06:43no heat,
06:44but you could beat me
06:44and we can keep rolling.
06:46Down goes D-Lo Brown.
06:48Hey, wait a minute.
06:48New Jack would just
06:49stir people up so much.
06:51None of his stuff
06:51was written,
06:52and there are some times
06:53I stood there
06:53and I listened.
06:54I was like,
06:56you wish I was like,
06:58some more,
06:58some more,
06:59one man,
07:01chicken bone sucking,
07:03black folk.
07:04Check those promos out.
07:05When Mustafa's standing
07:06there next to him
07:07going,
07:07dude,
07:08that's what he was
07:09doing all day.
07:10And you know what I'm saying?
07:11Nothing but rednecks
07:12up here.
07:13That wasn't Mustafa
07:14being that for the interview.
07:15That was Mustafa.
07:17Mustafa's crazy, bro.
07:18The dude was rolling
07:20pencil shavings
07:21in one of those
07:22blunt things
07:23and he wanted me
07:23to smoke it with him.
07:24I'm like,
07:25no, dude,
07:25I'm good.
07:26Was Mustafa smoking
07:27pencil shavings?
07:30I plead the fifth.
07:32He's like,
07:33Jack,
07:34this some new shit.
07:35He had pencil shavings.
07:37He had some shit
07:38he had found
07:39growing on the side
07:39of the building
07:40in the bag.
07:41I said,
07:41if you smoke this shit,
07:43it's gonna come back
07:44and haunt you one day.
07:45He's like,
07:45no, man,
07:46this some good shit,
07:46man.
07:46I'm fucked up right now.
07:47You're trying.
07:48So we sit in the hotel.
07:49I hear the knocking at the door.
07:51So I said,
07:51Jack,
07:52Mustafa downstairs
07:52fighting the cops.
07:54So we dropped everything.
07:56They had him handcuffed
07:57face down.
07:58He blowing snot
07:59on the floor.
08:00And this is what
08:01Mustafa was saying.
08:03You wanna fuck me,
08:03don't you?
08:04I know you wanna fuck me.
08:04Yeah.
08:05Wait the fuck,
08:07man.
08:07I said,
08:08what the fuck is wrong with you?
08:09He was like,
08:09nah, Jack,
08:10they wanna fuck me.
08:11Everybody wanna fuck me.
08:12I said,
08:12Mustafa,
08:13you lost your goddamn mind.
08:14The gangsters
08:15had embraced the idea
08:16that I'm going
08:17to go out there
08:18and I'm going
08:19to be a menace to society.
08:21One night we did a show,
08:22I had been to the dentist
08:23and my mouth was sore
08:25to a point
08:25where I couldn't hardly talk.
08:27So I said,
08:27Mustafa,
08:27let's go to Walmart.
08:28And I bought a white baby dog.
08:30And I had a rope
08:31tied like a noose.
08:32And I walked out to the ring,
08:33I got in the middle of the ring
08:35and held a baby dog up.
08:36And they was like,
08:37get the fuck out of here
08:38with that shit.
08:40New Jack had everyone
08:41so mad at the gangsters,
08:42Hitler could have walked
08:43out through the curtain
08:44and he'd have been a baby face.
08:45I pissed people
08:46the fuck off.
08:47And we got so much heat
08:48to the point
08:49where these motherfuckers
08:51was like,
08:51we gonna kill
08:52them fucking niggas.
08:53They didn't say niggas.
08:54We gonna kill
08:55them fucking niggas.
08:56Unleashing their
08:57unfiltered vision
08:58of the times,
08:59the gangsters
09:00are quickly becoming
09:01the hottest villains
09:01in the territory.
09:03I wanted to get the gangsters
09:04right into the tag team
09:05title picture.
09:06So they have to
09:08attack the champions
09:09of Rock and Roll Express.
09:11Now this is Ricky and Robert,
09:13the Rock and Roll Express.
09:14I mean,
09:14these motherfuckers
09:15been around forever
09:16and they done been there
09:17and done it.
09:18Taking controversy
09:19to a new level,
09:20they decide to recreate
09:21the 1992 police beating
09:23of Rodney King.
09:24But in their version,
09:25the roles are reversed.
09:27Ricky Morton
09:28is knocked to the floor.
09:30All of a sudden,
09:30the gangsters
09:31and their posse,
09:32there's like three
09:32or four of them.
09:33Jack brought everybody
09:34he knew for this one.
09:35And they circled
09:36Ricky Morton
09:36in the middle of the ring
09:37and he's bleeding
09:38and he's looking
09:38at the fans in the front row,
09:40help me.
09:41And they beat the bejesus
09:42out of him
09:43with these nightsticks.
09:44So when we got done,
09:46all the white people
09:47that went out in the back
09:47and they was waiting
09:48on us to come out
09:48the door.
09:50And they had bricks
09:51in their hands
09:52and sticks
09:52so we got behind the cops.
09:54They turned the
09:54lights on
09:55and escorted us
09:56out of the town.
09:57When I saw that,
09:58I knew we were
09:59doing our job.
10:00The NAACP
10:01in Knoxville
10:02had called
10:03and we don't think
10:03this is a good representation.
10:05So Jack took that
10:07and he said,
10:09some Negroes
10:10down in Knoxville
10:11calling themselves
10:12the NAACP
10:13or something or another.
10:14They don't like me.
10:16I say it once
10:17and I say it again.
10:17The hell
10:18with them homegrown monkeys.
10:21Oh, right.
10:22So from that point on,
10:24we started putting up
10:24a disclaimer.
10:25The views of the gangsters
10:27are not necessarily
10:28those of Smoky Mountain
10:29wrestling or this station.
10:30You thought maybe
10:31we was
10:32cotton pickers?
10:34Wrong!
10:35Maybe you thought
10:35you had
10:36some homegrown
10:37Negroes?
10:38Wrong!
10:40Would you say that
10:41that period
10:41in Smoky Mountain,
10:42like, is that fun?
10:44No.
10:45To have
10:46somebody
10:49calling you a nigger,
10:51I ain't goddamn used
10:52to that shit.
10:53I said, I can't get used to it
10:54and I ain't gonna try
10:55to get used to it.
10:56The gangsters
10:56were literally a microcosm
10:57of what was going on
10:58in society at that time.
10:59And you drop us
11:01in the middle of
11:01the South,
11:03the n-word was
11:04freely thrown around
11:05like you would say hello.
11:06It was uncomfortable.
11:08But if they didn't say that,
11:09then we weren't
11:09touching that nerve.
11:11It's a pretty strange
11:12concept, yes.
11:14I want someone
11:15to hurl
11:16racial slurs at me.
11:18I had this little boy
11:19come at me one day.
11:20He said,
11:21can I shake your hand?
11:21I stuck my hand out.
11:22And he rubbed my arm
11:24and looked at his hand.
11:25I said, why'd you rub
11:26my fucking arm
11:27and then look at your hand?
11:28He said, I'm sorry.
11:29My dad told me,
11:30you rub a black person
11:32in the arm,
11:33it'll rub off on you
11:34and you'll turn back.
11:35And I was just like,
11:36you little shit.
11:38As their provocative
11:39routine runs its course,
11:41the gangsters jump
11:42at a sudden offer
11:43from a larger wrestling outfit,
11:45ECW.
11:47ECW was extreme
11:48championship wrestling.
11:49It was the brainchild
11:50of Paul Heyman
11:51that it would be
11:52the 1990s wrestling answer
11:54to the grunge music movement.
11:56It would be gritty
11:57and violent
11:58and they'd blur
11:59a lot of lines.
12:00They were edgier,
12:01whether it be
12:02sexual content
12:03or violence
12:04or blood
12:04or what have you.
12:05The stuff that you would see
12:06in one arena show
12:08was like,
12:08it was a whole
12:09hardcore night.
12:10I had been talking
12:11to Paul Heyman
12:12and ECW.
12:13I had never heard
12:14of ECW.
12:15They invited me
12:16to come up there
12:17and I told Cornette.
12:18I said, Paul Heyman,
12:19offer me a deal.
12:21He offered me a lot
12:22of the goddamn money
12:22and he was pissed
12:23about it.
12:24I hated that
12:25they left on bad terms
12:26with me
12:27and me with them
12:28but they couldn't
12:29have gone any farther
12:30in Smoky Mountain Wrestling.
12:31Everything about ECW
12:32was not only more violent
12:34but also it was more real
12:35to the point
12:36where the guys
12:37started the trend
12:37of really hitting each other
12:39with stuff
12:39and hurting each other.
12:41ECW was filled
12:42with wrestlers
12:42that would go too far
12:43already
12:44and knew Jack
12:45had to be the guy
12:45that went farther
12:46than anybody.
12:47I'm like,
12:48welcome home,
12:49motherfucker,
12:49you know what I'm saying?
12:56In June 1995,
12:59the gangstas leave
13:00the hostile crowds
13:01of Smoky Mountain
13:02and join the eclectic crew
13:03of Philadelphia's
13:05wildly popular ECW.
13:08I told you, boy,
13:09we whooped their ass again!
13:11When we got to ECW,
13:12we fit right in.
13:13New Jack is on a mission
13:15here tonight
13:16in Atlanta!
13:18And it was just like,
13:19fuck,
13:20we love this shit.
13:21You gotta understand, dude,
13:22we're clicking hard
13:23and we know that we're
13:24like the hottest thing
13:25like on the planet
13:26by like 96, 97.
13:29I was sent to meet New Jack
13:31at the hotel
13:32when he first came up
13:33from Smoky Mountain.
13:34So I was the first
13:34ECW guy I met.
13:35He got out of the car
13:36and I'm like,
13:37all right, I liked him.
13:38He had swagger.
13:39He was like,
13:39don't fuck with me,
13:41which was cool by me,
13:42you know what I mean?
13:42I'm like,
13:43oh, this guy's gonna fit right in.
13:44Our locker room
13:45was one big family.
13:46It's Tommy Dreamers,
13:48RVD,
13:49Taz,
13:50Saboosh,
13:51you know,
13:51New Jack.
13:52Heading up this locker room
13:54of misfits
13:55is promoter,
13:56Paul Heyman.
13:57Paul Heyman
13:58was the mad scientist.
13:59Dude, he was everything.
14:00He was the writer.
14:01He was fucking
14:02the Steven Spielberg
14:03of all of it,
14:05you know what I mean?
14:06That dude is like
14:07super brilliant.
14:08All our careers
14:09were jumping,
14:10you know what I'm saying?
14:11I think New Jack
14:11got in that environment
14:13and he always
14:14had to be
14:14the most extreme guy
14:15in any situation
14:16but there were
14:17no limits up there.
14:19I come out
14:19with the weapons,
14:22diving on shit,
14:25fighting out
14:25in the audience,
14:26going through chairs
14:27and tables
14:28and knocking down
14:28chairs and shit.
14:29It was like blood
14:30and guts
14:31every goddamn night.
14:32I truly feel
14:33that the reason
14:34why Jack
14:34was so violent,
14:35so extreme,
14:37because the way
14:38he grew up,
14:38his childhood,
14:39his upbringing,
14:40I think that plays
14:40a part of who he is.
14:42I mean,
14:42it has to.
14:44My childhood was fucked.
14:47I had a daddy
14:48that was an alcoholic.
14:49He hated my mom.
14:51One night,
14:52she came home from work
14:53and she walked in the door.
14:55He pulled out a knife
14:56and he stabbed her
14:57five times.
14:59He stabbed her.
15:04In front of the whole family,
15:05he didn't give a fuck.
15:07He stabbed her.
15:08A few months later,
15:10she was like,
15:10I'm leaving.
15:11She picked me up,
15:13tried to put me
15:14in the car.
15:15He shot her
15:15in the back of the leg.
15:18This is what
15:19I grew up around.
15:22And I'm like,
15:23you wonder why
15:24sometimes
15:24I flip the fuck out?
15:28New Jack's outlet
15:29for violence
15:29has taken him
15:30to new heights
15:31in ECW.
15:32But on November 23rd,
15:341996,
15:35a chance encounter
15:36with a novice wrestler
15:37is about to send shockwaves
15:39through the entire
15:40wrestling world.
15:43Can you tell me
15:44a story of the
15:45mass transit incident?
15:47I knew that was coming.
15:49He was 17.
15:50He thought he was 21.
15:51And he had
15:52a little person
15:53with him.
15:54Listen,
15:55New Jack,
15:56I'm not gonna lie,
15:56he was intimidating.
15:58That's because
15:58he was always
16:00presenting the image
16:01that he was sinister.
16:02Hi, my name
16:03is Tiny the Terrible.
16:06I was just basically
16:07one of those
16:08midget wrestlers
16:09that wanted to be
16:10considered not really
16:12as a midget wrestler,
16:13just as a wrestler
16:14that was just true.
16:15So tell us
16:16who we're watching here.
16:17Jerry Springer,
16:19Twin Terrors.
16:20Over 52 million people
16:22viewed this episode.
16:23Jerry's the one
16:24that gave me
16:24the first opportunity
16:25to really speak
16:27on a nation level
16:28like that.
16:29Did people recognize you
16:31after?
16:31Oh, yeah.
16:32What was that like?
16:33Aw, great, man.
16:34You know,
16:34that's how I got
16:35most of the pussy I got.
16:36I'm used to having
16:37good-looking women.
16:38That's true.
16:39You know?
16:41I'm not gonna see me
16:42at...
16:42Look, Ego, too.
16:44I've been on TV,
16:45you know.
16:47New Jack was like,
16:48if you went out
16:48of a script,
16:49he would make you
16:50pay for it.
16:51If you're gonna cut
16:52somebody all the fuck up
16:54on their first match,
16:55that don't make
16:56no fucking sense.
16:57And, you know,
16:59and that's basically
17:00what happened
17:00with an Eric Kulas
17:03type situation.
17:05Teenage wrestler
17:06Eric Kulas
17:07calls himself
17:08Mass Transit.
17:09Dressed in a bus
17:10driver gimmick,
17:11his matches with
17:12Tiny and his brother
17:13attract the attention
17:15of ECW.
17:17He's seen the tape
17:19of Eric Kulas
17:20and my brother
17:21wrestling.
17:22Paul Heyman
17:23couldn't believe
17:23that a big guy
17:24could work
17:25with midgets
17:26because that's
17:26like unheard of.
17:28The three are asked
17:29to appear
17:30in an upcoming match
17:31in Revere,
17:33Massachusetts.
17:35The best wrestling
17:36is not being able
17:38to discern the line
17:39between fiction
17:40and reality.
17:41That was one
17:41of the big appeals
17:42of ECW.
17:44I'm Stu Kaplan.
17:45I'm John Donovan.
17:46And we were doing
17:46security for the show.
17:47I was upstairs,
17:48I had a walkie-talkie,
17:49and someone came
17:50on talkie and said,
17:51there are some guys
17:52here for the show.
17:53I saw Eric Kulas
17:55come in.
17:56I didn't know
17:56who he was.
17:56I had no idea
17:57who he was,
17:58and I knew everybody.
17:59And they went
18:00into the back
18:01of the locker room.
18:02And that was literally
18:03the last time
18:04I saw Eric
18:05until he came out
18:06for the match.
18:07No one knows
18:08that Eric has lied
18:09about his age,
18:10claiming to be 21.
18:12In reality,
18:13he's a 17-year-old minor.
18:15Axl Rotten
18:16didn't show up
18:16for the show.
18:17He had a family emergency.
18:19So he was like,
18:21he gets a tryout.
18:23They decided
18:24to cut us off.
18:25Eric, like,
18:26just fucking
18:27just cut us off
18:28and just went for self.
18:30This untrained teenager
18:32who claimed
18:33to be a professional wrestler
18:34and had probably wrestled
18:35a few local shows
18:36shows up.
18:37They needed somebody
18:39for New Jack to beat up.
18:40So they said,
18:41okay.
18:41That was their first mistake.
18:44So,
18:44Paulie was like,
18:45Jack,
18:45y'all go for like
18:46seven minutes
18:47or whatever you want
18:47to do to the fat kid,
18:48just do it.
18:49I said,
18:49Paulie,
18:51what I'm going to do to him,
18:53people are going to be
18:53talking about this
18:5410 years from now.
18:57Well,
18:57it's been 20 years
18:58and we're still
18:58talking about it.
19:05By the end of 1996,
19:07New Jack has taken
19:09his controversial career
19:10to dangerous new heights
19:12in the violent world
19:13of ECW.
19:15Now,
19:16a last minute change
19:17has landed him
19:18in the ring
19:18with novice wrestler
19:20Eric Koulos.
19:22You know,
19:22we're on the grounds now
19:23of the Wonderland Dog Track
19:25where the ECW
19:26famous gangster
19:28Eric Koulos incident
19:29happened
19:29and we got here early.
19:31We got here probably
19:31two or three hours
19:32before the show
19:32but there were still
19:33people here
19:34and, you know,
19:34ECW, ECW
19:36and, I mean,
19:36I can feel it.
19:37I'm getting goosebumps now
19:38because that's what you got.
19:39So the untrained teenager
19:41that's maybe had
19:41three local matches
19:43in his life
19:44is now going to
19:45wrestle New Jack.
19:45I saw Eric coming out
19:47and I'm like,
19:48wow,
19:48that was the guy
19:48that with his father
19:49when he came,
19:50he must have gotten
19:51on the show.
19:52Eric Koulos
19:53is paired up
19:53with D-Von Dudley
19:55replacing Axel Rotten
19:56in their tag team match
19:58with the Gangsters.
19:59Mass Transit,
20:00this big teenager,
20:02went up to New Jack
20:03and told him
20:04he wanted to get
20:05some offense in.
20:06He came up to me
20:07and he was like,
20:07can I do this?
20:08Backdrop you out the ring,
20:10push you through a table
20:10and I said,
20:12fuck no.
20:14That's one of the most
20:16disrespectful things
20:17that you could do
20:18as a wrestler
20:18to come to a vet
20:20and tell him
20:21what you want to do.
20:24So that's what
20:25pissed Jack off.
20:27All right,
20:28now it all makes sense
20:30why Jack was like,
20:31I'm going to cut
20:32this motherfucker.
20:33He wanted me to cut him.
20:34He had already
20:35pissed me off at the time
20:36so I was like,
20:37I'm good with it.
20:38I'll cut the shit out of you.
20:39I ain't try to kill him
20:40but I want him
20:41to go close to death.
20:43Not only did the kid
20:44want to get some offense in
20:46but he wanted to have
20:46a great match
20:47so he wanted to bleed.
20:49There are a number
20:49of ways to do it.
20:51There's the hard way
20:52which is basically
20:53when you agree
20:54with your opponent
20:55that he's going to punch you
20:56in the eyebrow
20:56or the cheek
20:57or in some place
20:58to bust you open.
20:59There's also
21:00the easy way.
21:02You take a common razor blade,
21:04something you find
21:05around the house
21:06and you trim it
21:07in a fashion
21:07that you can wrap it
21:08in some tape
21:08and then you can keep it
21:10on your wrist,
21:11in your mouth,
21:12in the waistband
21:13of your tights.
21:14In wrestling
21:14it was a common gimmick.
21:16The blade
21:16was never intended
21:18to be an exacto knife.
21:20I had been getting high
21:22all day.
21:23I mean,
21:24so I was high
21:26as fuck.
21:28So we told D-Von,
21:29we said,
21:30we're going to throw you
21:31out of the ring
21:31and don't get back in.
21:33D-Von didn't get touched,
21:35didn't get hit.
21:36Everything was mostly
21:37focused around Eric
21:39and it was mostly
21:40New Jack
21:41giving it to Eric.
21:44I started beating on him.
21:46I was beating him
21:47with everything.
21:49So,
21:49when it came time
21:51for us to get color,
21:52I had a surgical scaffold.
21:54Look at about the lawn.
21:55And I had it taped
21:56to a stick.
21:58So I stuck him
21:59in the forehead
21:59a couple of times
22:00and did nothing happen.
22:03See,
22:04I just sliced him
22:06and blew it
22:07with skeeting out.
22:08I'm sure you saw it.
22:11And I beat
22:12the shit out of the kid.
22:13His father was there
22:14in the audience.
22:18Mustafa picked him up
22:19and slammed him.
22:22He was bleeding everywhere.
22:26The referee didn't need
22:27to come to the goddamn ring.
22:28I'm standing there
22:30and I can see
22:31over my shoulder
22:32they need paramedics
22:33but New Jack
22:34was firing up the crowd.
22:37This makes me the shit
22:39you believe
22:40in what you know
22:40because I'm a loser
22:42give a fuck.
22:45At that point,
22:47I'm like,
22:47okay,
22:47let's just get him out.
22:49I knew
22:49we were part of history.
22:52A defiant middle finger
22:53from Eric
22:54seems to suggest
22:55he's okay.
22:56But everyone at ringside
22:58can see that's not the case.
23:00Especially his family.
23:03His father
23:03trying to get in the back
23:04but I'm not going to let him
23:06get into the locker room
23:07or near New Jack.
23:08Did Eric's father
23:09say stuff to you?
23:10He was just calling me a nigger.
23:11He's like,
23:12you fucking nigger,
23:12you stabbed my son,
23:13you goddamn nigger.
23:14You know?
23:15We was off camera then
23:16and all this was off.
23:18I'd have killed it old man.
23:20I went backstage with him
23:22but I was like,
23:23was it worth it?
23:24He said,
23:24damn man,
23:25they fucked me up.
23:25I was the next match
23:27so I bled
23:29like a stuck pig
23:30that night
23:30because I was trying
23:32to take a little bit
23:32of the heat
23:33off of New Jack.
23:34We got in an argument
23:35in the car.
23:36Eric's father was like,
23:36where you guys going?
23:37I said,
23:38oh you're fucking
23:38giving us a ride back.
23:39Oh no I ain't,
23:40I'm not giving you
23:41a ride back.
23:42I said, Steve,
23:42yes the fuck you are
23:43or we're going to be
23:44fighting again
23:45up in this motherfucker.
23:47And you know,
23:47he got in the van,
23:48went to the hospital.
23:49I remember him
23:51taking his fucking
23:52bandage off in the car,
23:54pulling his hair up
23:55and just looking at it
23:56in the fucking mirror.
23:58Eric received 50 stitches
23:59for his injuries
24:00and says he never wants
24:02to get in the ring again.
24:04I have no feeling
24:05from here to here.
24:07I have like an indention
24:08in my head
24:09from where all the nerves died.
24:10It changed him.
24:11I was depressed
24:12and all that other shit.
24:14So.
24:15The underground world
24:17of hardcore wrestling
24:18is exposed
24:19to unprecedented
24:20national attention
24:21as New Jack
24:22is charged
24:23with assault
24:24and battery.
24:25So he took me to trial,
24:27told my attorney.
24:28I said,
24:28are they offering me a deal?
24:29He said,
24:30right now they want
24:30you to do five years.
24:31I was like,
24:33I don't know.
24:34He said,
24:35Jack,
24:35I think I can beat this case.
24:43The brutalization
24:45of teenage wrestler
24:46Eric Kulas
24:47has created
24:48a media frenzy
24:49and exposed
24:50the shocking world
24:51of hardcore wrestling.
24:54Now,
24:55a court will decide
24:56if New Jack
24:57must answer
24:58for the assault
24:58with prison time.
25:01Did you do any of this?
25:02You don't want
25:03to give you a shot?
25:04Hold on,
25:04go to court.
25:05Now,
25:05understand something.
25:06It was a six jury panel.
25:09One 80-year-old black guy
25:11and five white women.
25:13He was knowing out.
25:14I was like,
25:15that's my savior.
25:16I'm like,
25:17stay awake,
25:17motherfucker,
25:18you my savior.
25:19You know?
25:21What was your sort of role
25:22in the trial?
25:23Explaining
25:24how Eric
25:25knew what he was doing.
25:27If he can wrestle with us,
25:28he can wrestle
25:30with a big guy.
25:31It's our view
25:32that he knew exactly
25:33what was going to happen.
25:34He was prepared
25:35to go into the ring.
25:35He knew about the props.
25:37Because,
25:37I mean,
25:38at that time,
25:38Kulas wasn't on my side.
25:40We weren't fucking friends.
25:41The only person
25:42that really wanted me
25:43in this
25:44was New Jack.
25:45And I said,
25:46Jack,
25:47it's up to you.
25:47This is what I want.
25:49I want work in WWE.
25:51New Jack promised me
25:52and if I get off tiny,
25:53I swear,
25:54I will take care of you.
25:56They had Paul E
25:57on the stand.
25:58The DA asked him,
25:59what did Mr. Kulas
26:01call Jerome Young?
26:03Paul E was like,
26:04he called him
26:05the N-word.
26:06The DA said,
26:07for the record,
26:09say it.
26:10Paul E looked at me,
26:11he said,
26:12Jack,
26:12I'm sorry.
26:15He said,
26:16he called him a nigger.
26:18The old juror,
26:19the black dude,
26:20he said,
26:21he was like,
26:23and the white woman
26:24was like,
26:26I was laughing,
26:27so I sit down
26:28and I was like,
26:28oh,
26:28he's trying to do that.
26:31He was working
26:32the motherfuckers.
26:33I mean,
26:33he was working
26:33the shit out of the goddamn
26:34the judge,
26:35the DA,
26:36the fucking jurors.
26:37He did what he did
26:38on the best,
26:38he worked,
26:39and that's what he did.
26:39He was working.
26:41When the jury learns
26:42Eric lied about his age
26:43and experience,
26:44the balance shifts
26:46in New Jack's favor.
26:48They deliberated
26:49for that day,
26:50came away the next day.
26:51They found me not guilty.
26:54And I ended up
26:55working for WWE.
26:56I ended up
26:56doing promos and shit
26:58with Shane,
26:59Big Show,
27:00and Triple H.
27:01Yeah,
27:02Stephanie McMahon's
27:02introducing me
27:03and my partner
27:04as the Twin Towers
27:05to go against The Rock.
27:07What was it like
27:08for you to walk out
27:08to the crowd like that?
27:09Oh, fucking great, dude.
27:10There's me,
27:11there's my partner
27:12that can do the eyebrow.
27:14And this was
27:15fresh after Eric Koulos.
27:17So it was like,
27:18New Jack,
27:19I don't know how,
27:20what the hell he did,
27:21but it was my spot
27:22right there.
27:23Do you remember
27:24how Eric Koulos passed?
27:26I didn't even know
27:27really until like,
27:30years later.
27:32I forgot how it went,
27:34but people say,
27:35yo, you know,
27:35Eric died.
27:36After failing
27:37in criminal court,
27:38Eric's family
27:39tries to sue New Jack
27:40in a civil suit
27:42for damages
27:42caused by the incident.
27:43But in 2002,
27:45he dies from complications
27:47resulting from
27:48gastric bypass surgery.
27:50And then what was
27:50your reaction
27:51to learning
27:52that he passed away?
27:53I ain't your fault.
27:54Well, my fault.
27:56I heard about it
27:57and I'm like,
27:57oh, well.
27:59I have to indict
28:00New Jack for this
28:01because he went too far.
28:02But also,
28:04the image of ECW
28:05allowed guys
28:06to go way too far
28:07and think that
28:07nothing would happen.
28:09The mass transit incident
28:11has set a dangerous precedent
28:12and it's New Jack
28:14who has opened the door
28:15to a lawless new era.
28:17New Jack started
28:18trying to go farther
28:19and farther,
28:20not only with the blood
28:21and the edginess
28:22of the content,
28:23but also the spectacular
28:24bumps and falls.
28:26I was the only one
28:27that probably started
28:27coke in the locker room.
28:29I mean,
28:29it was like a boost.
28:32You know what I mean?
28:33It was like,
28:33if I get high,
28:35I can go get high.
28:37And I was snowing
28:39every night.
28:42Once you've jumped
28:43off a 10-foot balcony,
28:44what's next?
28:45Jump off a 15-foot balcony
28:47and then a 20-foot balcony.
28:53And at some point,
28:54there's no way
28:55that this can end well,
28:56even if you do it right.
28:57Yeah, you have any
28:58favorite dives?
28:59Well, the one
29:00that people always talk about,
29:03me and Big Grimes.
29:05Imagine Humpty Dumpty
29:06with arms and legs
29:07is a professional wrestler.
29:08That's kind of how
29:09he was shaped,
29:10you know what I'm saying?
29:10You couldn't hurt the guy.
29:12Vic Grimes wanted
29:13to be run over with cars.
29:14He wanted to be hit with things.
29:16He thought that was
29:17what wrestling was.
29:18In the year 2000,
29:19Vic Grimes is booked
29:20to wrestle New Jack
29:21in a match featuring
29:22a dangerous climax.
29:24When we climbed up
29:25on top of the scaffold,
29:26it was shaking.
29:27Vic was like,
29:28I can't do it,
29:28it's too high.
29:29Now we're on pay-per-view.
29:31There's no time for error.
29:32I said, Vic,
29:33let's go on three.
29:34He said, Jack,
29:35I can't do it.
29:35I said, fuck you,
29:36we're going on three.
29:37I said, one, two, three,
29:39and I pulled him.
29:40He did this flip
29:42and his back landed
29:44up against the side
29:44of my head
29:45and I cracked my skull.
29:47I never recovered from that.
29:49I broke my leg.
29:50I lost my sight
29:51in my right eye
29:52to this day.
29:53I get headaches every day
29:55and I have insomnia
29:57because I cracked my skull.
29:59Vic,
30:00this is all your fault,
30:01you dumb fuck.
30:03That's one of Jack's rules.
30:04Don't say you're going
30:04to do something
30:05and get up there
30:05and chicken out.
30:06Jack's kind of guy
30:07that if you break those rules,
30:10well then,
30:10he'll probably break you.
30:18A year after the horrific fall
30:20that cracked open his skull,
30:22New Jack agrees to a rematch
30:23with Vic Grimes
30:24with even higher stakes.
30:26What Grimes doesn't know
30:28is that New Jack
30:29is out for revenge.
30:31Before the match,
30:32I went to a pawn shop
30:33and bought a stun gun.
30:35Yeah, I was there
30:35with New Jack
30:36and he told me
30:37he was going to do it
30:38before it happened to him.
30:39What did he want
30:40to have happen?
30:41He told me
30:42he was going to
30:42taste the motherfucker.
30:44In the locker room,
30:45he came up to me.
30:46I was ready to kill
30:47this motherfucker.
30:48He said,
30:48I'm sorry.
30:49I said,
30:50motherfucker,
30:50you didn't even call me.
30:53I said,
30:54I'm over almost a year
30:54and you didn't even call me
30:56to see how the fuck
30:57I was doing.
30:59This is the highest elevation
31:01of any match
31:02in the history
31:04of our sport.
31:06Bro, I mean,
31:06I was high.
31:09You know what I mean?
31:10I was high as a motherfucker.
31:11So I just tased him.
31:12I tased the shit out of him.
31:14Get attacked,
31:15attacked.
31:15I can't feel my legs.
31:16I said,
31:17you ain't gonna need him.
31:18Bombs away.
31:25Vic was afoot
31:27from missing the ring
31:27completely,
31:28which would have
31:28killed him.
31:29I wanted him
31:30to hit the floor.
31:30I just didn't
31:31throw him hard enough.
31:32I was trying to
31:33throw his ass
31:34to the fucking floor.
31:36So we don't piss Jack off
31:37because a fight's never over
31:38until Jack says it's over.
31:39I can't believe
31:40he didn't like die.
31:41It's the luck of fools
31:43that this guy
31:43was not at least paralyzed.
31:45And I don't think
31:46Jack was particularly
31:47broken up about it.
31:48I clammed down
31:49off of the fucking scalpel.
31:50I went up to him
31:51and when he was
31:51laying in the ring,
31:53I told him,
31:53I said,
31:53now we even,
31:54you fuck.
31:54Vic Grimes is gonna need
31:56medical attention.
31:57Could you have got him
31:58for attempted murder?
31:59I don't know.
32:00I mean,
32:01I think throwing
32:01some off the scalpel
32:02then kind of
32:03is right on that line.
32:05Incredibly,
32:06Grimes' worst injury
32:07is a dislocated ankle.
32:09Once again,
32:10New Jack has pushed
32:11hardcore beyond his limits.
32:13But the demand
32:14for this kind
32:14of extreme action
32:15is only getting
32:17more intense.
32:18And now,
32:19he's having to compete
32:21against a new generation
32:22of hardcore wrestlers
32:24willing to give
32:25and receive
32:27disturbing levels
32:28of punishment.
32:30So it became
32:31a one-upsmanship
32:32and can you top this
32:33and got into a position
32:35where you had to go
32:35further and further
32:36to keep that position
32:38and then it became
32:39his calling card.
32:40Would you think
32:41there was ever a match
32:42where you think
32:42you went too far?
32:43I could name
32:44a few of them
32:44but I'm saying
32:47probably Gypsy Joe.
32:50Oh, Lord.
32:53Hold on.
32:54I looked at how old
32:55he was
32:56but then I forgot
32:57when we got in the ring.
32:59In 2003,
33:01New Jack faces off
33:02against 72-year-old journeyman
33:04Gypsy Joe
33:05who promotes himself
33:07as a man
33:08impervious to pain.
33:09The problem
33:10is no one's bothered
33:11to tell New Jack.
33:13The promoter
33:14was thinking
33:14oh, this is going to be
33:15the today's hardcore icon
33:18and the old pro
33:19from yesteryear
33:20that everybody knows
33:21is tougher
33:21than a $2 steak.
33:22So at night of the show
33:24Joe comes up
33:25he said
33:26just listen to me kid
33:28I can teach you a lot.
33:29I said
33:29you talking to me?
33:31We didn't talk no more.
33:33I went to the ring
33:35Joe comes to the ring.
33:36And Gypsy Joe
33:37as per his gimmick
33:39wasn't selling
33:40New Jack stuff
33:42because you really
33:43have to hit Joe
33:44to make him go down
33:45and register
33:46because he's so tough.
33:48So then
33:48I got to listen
33:49to these fans
33:50go home there
33:51fucking there
33:53and then
33:54I was pissed.
33:55I started beating Joe
33:57like that
33:57motherfucker owed me money.
33:58I beat the shit out of him.
34:00Outside the ring
34:01I got a bat.
34:02I had a bar
34:03while I wrapped around him.
34:08I hit him in the head
34:09like three times.
34:11Jack just said
34:12fuck this old man.
34:14I threw a little
34:15of chairs on him
34:15and he got louder.
34:17Go home,
34:17nigga
34:18fucking there
34:18and dude
34:19the more they said
34:20the more pissed off
34:21I got.
34:25and I beat the shit
34:26out of a hundred year old man
34:28which the match
34:29never should have happened
34:30in the first place.
34:31With New Jack's
34:32escalating violence
34:33comes a higher level
34:34of risk
34:35and not just
34:36for those willing
34:37to take him on.
34:38Was New Jack
34:39you think a liability
34:39for promoters?
34:40I think some people
34:41look at him
34:42as a liability
34:43but yes
34:44some promoters would
34:45yeah
34:45absolutely.
34:47New Jack never
34:48made it to the WWE
34:48because they were
34:50never going to touch him
34:50because he was
34:52too controversial.
34:53They were afraid
34:54of lawsuits
34:55they were afraid
34:55of bad publicity
34:56they were afraid
34:57he was going to
34:57hurt somebody.
34:59With the mainstream
34:59appeal of hardcore
35:00now in decline
35:01New Jack has resigned
35:03to working for much
35:04smaller outfits
35:05in the independent circuit
35:06some of whom
35:07some of whom
35:08can barely muster
35:09a crowd.
35:09Despite this
35:11New Jack isn't slowing down
35:12and he crosses the line
35:14again
35:14in 2004.
35:17I've had many
35:19trials in my life
35:24Yet I keep trying
35:27to do
35:28what's right
35:30We bonded
35:32really really well
35:33I'm an MWW
35:34independent recording
35:35artist now
35:36but I was a wrestler
35:38slash promoter
35:40When he hit Florida
35:41and he had to come
35:42through Jacksonville
35:43he was staying
35:44at my house
35:45Jack is comical
35:46if you really ever
35:47get to know him
35:48he's just a comedian
35:49and a great cook
35:51Any examples
35:52of like
35:52what are the things
35:53he would cook?
35:54Spaghetti
35:54but he enjoys
35:56making sure
35:58that everybody's happy
35:59Out of the fire
36:03Wow
36:03That's one of mine
36:04The federation
36:06that I used to
36:06own and promote
36:07was Thunder
36:08Wrestling Federation
36:09Thunder has started
36:11gaining some momentum
36:12and Jack had been there
36:14a couple of times
36:15New Jack's opponent
36:16is William Jason Lane
36:18wrestling under the name
36:19Hunter Red
36:20That night
36:21Red had asked me
36:23if he could wrestle Jack
36:25When you wrestle an icon
36:26it kind of moves you
36:28a little bit
36:28It's on your resume
36:30and I said
36:31well Red
36:33that's a whole different
36:34ball game
36:35Hunter Red comes up
36:37and he's like
36:37what you wanna do?
36:38I said dude
36:39we'll go in the back
36:40and talk about this
36:40He said well
36:41we can talk about it now
36:42I said no
36:43we'll go in the back
36:44and talk about it
36:46So I laid it out
36:47I said well
36:48this is what we gonna do
36:49and in the middle of me
36:51talking he got up
36:51he said
36:52alright whatever
36:52what the fuck
36:53whatever the fuck
36:53fuck it
36:54I'm looking around like
36:55what the fuck
36:57that's who put him up to this
37:00I said I will see you
37:01in the ring
37:01what the fuck ever
37:03we do
37:03I'll just what
37:04whatever
37:05Something was troubling
37:07Red
37:07the actual reality
37:09of wrestling
37:10New Jack
37:11I think
37:12it kind of set in
37:13Once again
37:15I just don't cope
37:16once again
37:17I was high as a motherfucker
37:18drinking vodka
37:20like I'm doing now
37:22and
37:23I had a claw
37:24a Wolverine claw
37:25that had these three blades on it
37:28one of the blades that broke off
37:29I had it in my pocket
37:31When the match began
37:33Red picked New Jack up
37:35and sat him in a corner
37:36and he punched me
37:39my nose is big enough
37:40I don't need nobody to help me
37:41get this motherfucker no bigger
37:43Then he punched me again
37:45in the nose
37:46It looks like this guy's really hitting Jack hard
37:48and then Jack
37:49yeah
37:49the way Jack moves across his ring
37:51now he's hooking him
37:52and he's talking to him
37:53I said you trying to handle me
37:56I said you really trying to handle me
37:58Uh oh
37:59Jack's reaching in his pocket
38:00for something
38:00He's cutting him
38:02What the
38:03Oh my
38:03He's stabbing his mother
38:04Run
38:06Oh shit
38:08Ew
38:13It's never good
38:14when you open a wrestling video
38:16with a shot of a stage
38:17in an empty bandstand
38:18Oh good lord
38:20What is there
38:2130 people there?
38:23So the guy comes in the ring
38:25They lock up
38:26Okay already
38:27he's pissing New Jack off
38:29and he pulled
38:30a knife out of his fucking pants
38:33and is now apparently
38:34stabbing this guy
38:35who's trying to get away
38:36What the fuck is going on here?
38:38But is he actually
38:40stabbing this fucking guy?
38:41Look at that woman
38:42with her hand over her mouth
38:43and the kid
38:44the 10 year old kid
38:45is sitting there going
38:46This is a first
38:48in 125 years of wrestling history
38:51Yeah this is not something
38:53that does the public image
38:54of professional wrestling
38:55a world of good
38:57The line in wrestling
38:58between cooperation
39:00and felonious assault
39:02is also one of those lines
39:03that's blurred
39:03But I always looked at it this way
39:05If two guys agree
39:08to something beforehand
39:10and everything that happens
39:11happens in those parameters
39:12they are working together
39:14If something happens
39:15that is egregiously
39:17outside those parameters
39:18such as
39:19just take a knife
39:21and just slash a guy's face
39:22that's crossed the line
39:24from cooperation
39:24to felonious assault
39:26I stuck him like nine times
39:29On the news
39:30they said 16
39:31I said no it was nine
39:33I counted it was nine
39:34For the second time
39:36in his career
39:37New Jack's violence
39:38in the ring
39:39lands him in trouble
39:40with the law
39:40and the evidence against him
39:42is impossible to ignore
39:43The guy that called the cops
39:45he said there's been
39:47a stabbing
39:48at the Ramada Inn
39:49There's a black guy
39:51with camouflage on
39:52stabbing a white guy
39:53So that's how they treated it
39:56The cops came in
39:57Guns drove
39:59Get on the floor
40:00I remember the police officer
40:02asking Jack
40:02why do you hate white people
40:04and I just looked at him
40:05but I thought
40:06that was really inappropriate
40:07They put Red on a stretcher
40:10and Jack left
40:12in a police car
40:13New Jack is charged
40:14with aggravated battery
40:16and faces up to 15 years
40:18in a Florida prison
40:21They took me to jail
40:22Hunter Red
40:23come up to jail
40:25I'm like why are you here?
40:26He said I got an idea
40:27I'll drop the charges
40:29You take me on the road
40:30and we can make an angle
40:32out of this
40:32Hunter Red
40:33is looking for New Jack
40:35He's out for revenge
40:37He said we can do
40:38the whole Florida circuit
40:39I said well you gotta
40:40drop the charges first
40:42I sat in jail for three weeks
40:44He went and dropped the charges
40:47I went home
40:49put my shit in storage
40:50and I left Florida
40:51that was the last time
40:52I talked to him
40:54I mean it was on the news
40:56and my mom saw it
40:57and she was like
40:58oh my god
40:59I can't believe you
41:00up there
41:00and you stabbed somebody
41:01in the ring
41:01you should be ashamed of yourself
41:03I'm like bitch
41:04it was a fucking show
41:05what the fuck
41:05leave me alone
41:06you know what I mean
41:07cause me and my mom
41:08we never got along
41:09she didn't fucking back me
41:11when I was wrestling
41:12only bitch
41:13I got action figures
41:14in Toys R Us
41:15how many of your fucking
41:16friends and son
41:17got action figures
41:18in Toys R Us
41:20my dad died when I was five
41:22he died when I was five
41:23but I remember
41:25the fucked up shit
41:26he did before he died
41:28and I'm like
41:29you wonder why
41:30sometimes
41:30I flip the fuck out
41:33cause motherfucker
41:34I was raised in a family
41:36that was fucking retarded
41:38so I'm like
41:39if I show up for a show
41:40and I go out there
41:41and do my thing
41:42be grateful that
41:43I ain't attacking your ass
41:45you know what I mean
41:48the thing with Jack is
41:50he was too much
41:50into his gimmick
41:51he carried that
41:53wherever the fuck
41:54he was at
41:54there wasn't no
41:55Jerome Young
41:55it was just New Jack
41:57New Jack can't benefit
41:59from any of this
42:00reputation
42:01he's got anymore
42:02because he's
42:03pretty much
42:04his active career
42:05is over with
42:05so I think now
42:06it's more of an albatross
42:07around his neck
42:08I was New Jack
42:09when I came in the door
42:10and I'm still New Jack
42:13and so then
42:14who is Jerome Young?
42:16that's a difficult question
42:17cause the line is blurred
42:18between Jerome Young
42:19and New Jack
42:20if there's a difference
42:21I don't know
42:23because I don't know
42:23if I ever met Jerome Young
42:25I don't think
42:25I wanted to know for sure
42:26cause here was a guy
42:28that I could even
42:28halfway believe in
42:29the best part about it
42:31is the legend
42:32believe it or not
42:32is probably going to be
42:33bigger than the person
42:35you know what I'm saying
42:36how stories get
42:37the details get taller
42:38and taller
42:39and bigger and better
42:40as the time goes
42:42he perfected
42:43his craft
42:44and brought it
42:44to the highest level
42:45that he could bring it to
42:47because he knew
42:48it would leave
42:48a lasting impression
42:52New Jack
42:52New Jack leaves behind
42:53a complicated legacy
42:56pioneering
42:57unrepentant
42:58but above all
42:59without compromise
43:01I don't need nobody
43:02out here cheering for me
43:03and most of all
43:04partner
43:04I don't need you
43:06I believe people like that
43:08shouldn't get away with it
43:09you know
43:09New Jack ain't gonna probably
43:10like what the fuck
43:11I'm saying about it
43:12fuck you man
43:14you know what you did
43:15you fucked up
43:16innocent people
43:17Eric Koulos' family
43:19declined to participate
43:20in this documentary
43:21stating it was
43:22too traumatic
43:23to revisit the circumstances
43:25and aftermath
43:26of the incident
43:27in Revere, Massachusetts
43:29let's say one day
43:31they decide to like
43:32make a movie
43:33about your life
43:34what would be the end
43:35of the New Jack movie
43:36I'm sitting in a wheelchair
43:39snorting coke
43:46I'm just sitting there
43:47snorting coke
43:47you're getting to
43:48hire the motherfucker
43:49and it'd be like
43:49the end
43:50I'd be like
43:50thank you bitches
43:51ha ha
43:53ha
43:53ha
43:58You
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