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00:00Morning lads, what are we doing?
00:03I see, is that for me?
00:05The first time someone points a gun at you, you might think, oh, you know, it's a different experience.
00:10But when you've had guns pointed at you all the time and you're using guns, you don't worry about guns.
00:15You don't flinch about guns.
00:16My name's Stephen Gillen. I had a long, unfortunate history in organised crime.
00:21Serving many sentences, one being 17 years in high security prison as a Category A prisoner.
00:27Today I am going to react to Mobland so we can lift the curtain behind what is really going on.
00:36I appreciate the relationship between the Dohans and the Lazarus goes back more than three decades.
00:42I appreciate that it's an ecosystem spanning North and East London.
00:46It's quite lifelike in a sense because there are meetings that go on, you know, like this all the time.
00:52And there is a hierarchy of people.
00:54But you have to understand this is all based on money.
00:57And as he says, revenue streams.
00:59And for me, a thing that I picked up there is, you know, he said, everyone's been together.
01:04We've known each other for three decades.
01:06But then the scheme of things, this means absolutely nothing.
01:11You know, it can all end in a second.
01:13So the message really for me in this is what I know is that there are no honour amongst thieves.
01:20There are codes of conduct that they can be done away with and shifted to fit any cause or on
01:29a needs must basis, as we see here.
01:33You plant the trees, the trees grow tall.
01:38And sooner or later, they begin to get mangled.
01:42It's pruning time.
01:43I love this analogy about the trees, planting the trees and the trees grow tall.
01:49You know, what he's talking about there is about the money, it's about the growth, it's about the power of
01:54people.
01:54Because that's what, you know, that's what happens.
01:57That's what people go into this life.
01:59But of course, they can never really enjoy that money or that status if they think there is a status
02:05involved in this.
02:06This is a very dark life.
02:08You're always looking over your shoulder.
02:09It's who catches who first, you know, and there's no winners in it.
02:13Another part that's not really right about this is when they go in and they take them all out.
02:19That would never really happen in them circumstances.
02:22It would happen, but in a different way.
02:24But it wouldn't happen as a mass kind of execution like that.
02:29People would be allowed to leave.
02:31It would be a lot more tricky and a lot more positioned than that.
02:34But then certain people, I'm sure, if it was bad enough or they fell out, they couldn't come to an
02:39agreement about stuff,
02:40would be picked off one by one.
02:42That's the only difference and part that's not authentic that I see in this, but very well done.
02:49Once upon a time, there was this girl.
02:54Nice girl.
02:55Nice girl.
02:56Pretty girl.
02:57Glossy hair.
02:59Anyway, she went to this school.
03:02Nice school.
03:03Private school.
03:04Proper school.
03:05I love this scene in it because there's so much going on here.
03:09Organised crime and a life of organised crime really is about science.
03:13It's what you're saying but not saying.
03:15What is unsaid is more powerful than usually, in my view, than what is said.
03:19But sometimes when you're trying to relay a message just like that, like a threat, it would be veiled in
03:26a certain kind of a way.
03:28But the meaning and the consequences of what you're saying are very evident.
03:33So it translates that really, really well.
03:36He's threatening his family, saying, look, you don't do what we want, how you want, and you mess around with
03:42us.
03:44This is going to happen.
03:45It's going to be very bad.
03:46But this is how it's going to be bad for you.
03:48And of course, the other part of it is it's all about leverage.
03:50What's the biggest leverage?
03:53What does Harry value the most?
03:55His daughter, his family.
03:57So they go right for the throat.
03:59They go right for the jugular.
04:01And that's what it's about.
04:03It's about leverage.
04:05But it's another example, especially nowadays, where there are no codes of conduct.
04:11You know, families, mothers, daughters, whatever, really, in the cold light of day, are fair game.
04:19If you enter a life like this, the more entrenched and the more dark and the more down the path
04:24you become if you live a life like this, these are the outcomes.
04:30Morning, lads. What are we doing?
04:34I see. Is that for me?
04:36We're shooting families now.
04:37Another great scene. Mobland is littered with them.
04:40There's so much going on because you've got the connotations of family.
04:44You know, the translation between defining normal family, as in normal family, kids, mother, spouse, all that, to an organised
04:55crime family.
04:56The loties, the obligations and all that come with that are really interested in this.
05:00I think he's done it very, very well.
05:03Harry's character here, obviously his family are threatened now.
05:06He knows that very quickly.
05:08So he's trying to get rid of them.
05:09In a normal instance, people don't really want to do that.
05:14Not proper organised criminals.
05:16They're all about the money and protecting what they've got.
05:18They're not stupid.
05:19They know that it's a quick way to lose everything.
05:22Going to war or, you know, attention from the police and all that stuff.
05:26So they're trying to keep that, you know, as less as possible.
05:29But once something bad happens or someone's been murdered or there's a liberty has been taken or something like that,
05:37then usually there's not a lot of really good ways back from that.
05:41And when it starts, it really starts.
05:43Another thing as well that I picked up here about, and it's quite a thing.
05:47The guys here with a gun, you know, balaclava.
05:51The first time someone points a gun at you, you might think, oh, you know, it's a different experience.
05:56But when you've had guns pointed at you all the time and you're using guns and guns are around you
06:01and guns are part of, you know, part of the fabric of your life and how you're living,
06:07you don't worry about guns.
06:09You don't flinch about guns.
06:10You see, you know, it's crazy.
06:12You even develop this black humour that just kind of gets you through this craziness.
06:18Like, you know, you're looking a bit peaky.
06:20Maybe you should take your cap off, right?
06:22Or something like that.
06:23You say something.
06:24There's a lot of this goes on, right?
06:25And it's kind of a way to, you know, me certainly when I lived that life,
06:30it's kind of a way to lessen stuff and just, you know, it doesn't have the same effect on you.
06:38You know, having guns pointed at you or being shot at and all that kind of stuff as people would
06:43think.
06:44Harry needs you and I need Harry Sharp.
06:49Yeah, well, I just need Harry.
06:51Again, this is another masterful scene because it translates family in both the extreme senses
06:57as an organised crime family, mobster family in the organised crime sense or a normal family.
07:04You know, and for Conrad, he's a master of the art using leverage and positioning to get what he wants
07:10by any means.
07:12So it's not even about Harry's wife.
07:15He doesn't care about Harry's wife.
07:17I say he wants it all to be good, but he doesn't care about Harry's wife apart from in the
07:21sense that she's a pawn to other stuff that he wants.
07:24For him, the important person is Harry. As he says, he needs Harry to be with it, to be sharp,
07:29because he needs Harry to do things for him, which are important, so he can keep his position, his power,
07:35protect what he's got and keep going.
07:37And there's a difference. The other side of it, the normalised family of the wife is,
07:42it portrays really how families of people involved in organised crime are long-suffering, really.
07:49Because the truth of it is, to be a figure like this or be involved in a life like this
07:53is,
07:54you can never really own anything. You can never settle. You can never have a stable life.
07:59You're never going to have a really long-term, loving, healthy relationship.
08:03It's not going to happen. You may think you can pull that off, but it won't happen.
08:07And that's obvious. You know that, because the life that we choose when we live a life like that
08:14is you are sacrificing normality. You're sacrificing stability and these things.
08:22And the truth is, and we all kind of know that, anyone who you love or anything that you love
08:28dearly
08:28or anything which is around you will be affected by that and is constantly threatened.
08:34See, that's odd. Because by nature, you're quite a wily old fox, comrade.
08:41You don't tend to blunder around, risking life and limb.
08:45What's your point, Stevenson? I know, don't tell me.
08:50The exchange of power here and the dynamics here are really well scripted too.
08:56He's so good at this, Guy Ritchie, because he's got them both at the table, but it's loaded.
09:01There's so much going on here, and he needs to translate it quickly.
09:04Would this really happen in a day-to-day? Possibly.
09:09It may happen in some kind of instance, because really people are what they've got built.
09:13They're quite developed, you know, and sophisticated along the path.
09:17That's why they're there. And they don't want to lose what they've got.
09:21So they're clever. You know, they're looking for...
09:24That's not to say that they're going to forget a grudge or anything like that.
09:28But they may wait a year, two years, five years, and then come back around on that.
09:31But, you know, it's a game of chess, and if they need to keep everything moving,
09:36and they don't want attention, police, war, or bloodshed won't be able to sleep at night,
09:42leave their house, everything's threatened, then you may negotiate,
09:47and you may sit down to try and create some kind of peace.
09:52But in my understanding of that, it's a false peace, and it doesn't work like that.
09:58And you're never really going to get peace,
10:00because people in organised crime, they don't forget, you know, let me tell you.
10:03They don't forget, and it's all strategic, it's all tactical.
10:08They might smile in your face that time and say,
10:10yeah, brothers, and this and that, but next week, next month, next year,
10:14we come back around, and, yeah, and the thing, what it always was,
10:17was when you was at your most weakest, you say, right, that cherry's ready to be picked.
10:22It's like walking through the Serengeti with the pride of lions constantly circling you,
10:29knowing that if you stumble or fall or make a trip even somewhere,
10:33then there won't be nothing left, not even bones, right?
10:37You know, that used to get me up early in the morning, let me tell you.
10:39It wasn't even the money or anything like that.
10:42It goes beyond that, you know?
10:44Survival becomes the name of the game.
10:46It's a world of darkness that you're in anyway.
10:48I hate you with every bone in my body.
10:53You think I'm going to stand there and let Richie Stevenson mouth me off with my son standing there?
10:59This scene loaded again, but there's a lot of lessons in this one as well.
11:05Conrad again, just like he's saying there, I hate you, and he's repeating what was said by Stevenson.
11:10Just another reflection, Guy Richards put in there, of how people don't forget.
11:14No one's your friend.
11:15You know, you may have allies, you may have strong allies, even people you've come all the way through with,
11:20and they'll even stand beside you in some of the worst of times.
11:24But they can also be your worst enemy if something turns, and that can certainly happen.
11:29I've seen that many times, you know, in my own life, when I was set up to be killed and,
11:36you know, and things like that.
11:38Another thing I see with this scene that's really, really important to detail is,
11:42in a life like this, I've always said it was, the things I could see coming was alright,
11:48because I'd, you know, I'd be able to manage that pretty much, you know, or get a strategy around them.
11:53But I always knew it was the things that I didn't see, or the things I didn't know,
11:57or the people I didn't know who were saying certain things.
12:00That would be the thing that would get me, you know, that would be the undoing.
12:03Now, when you really look at that, this is something that you can never manage.
12:08It's something that you can never control about this life.
12:12And I've seen many people killed and murdered, not because they weren't good enough,
12:17or they weren't even straight, or playing by the rules.
12:21But other things was going on behind them that positioned them for the worst stuff, you know,
12:26and that was their ending. And they didn't see that coming.
12:30So I think this is a real life example of how once you get into a life like this,
12:37there really is no way out, and no winners.
12:42Morning lads, what are we doing?
12:45I see, is that for me?
12:47The first time someone points a gun at you, you might think,
12:49oh, you know, it's a different experience.
12:52But when you've had guns pointed at you all the time, and you're using guns,
12:55you don't worry about guns, you don't flinch about guns.
12:58My name's Stephen Gillan. I had a long, unfortunate history in organised crime.
13:03Serving many sentences, one being 17 years in high security prison as a Category A prisoner.
13:09Today, I am going to react to Mobland, so we can lift the curtain behind what is really going on.
13:18I appreciate the relationship between the Dohans and the Lazarus
13:21goes back more than three decades.
13:23I appreciate that it's an ecosystem spanning North and East London.
13:28It's quite lifelike in a sense, because there are meetings that go on, you know, like this all the time.
13:34And there is a hierarchy of people.
13:36But you have to understand this is all based on money, and as he says, revenue streams.
13:41And for me, a thing that I picked up there is, you know, he said,
13:44everyone's been together, we've known each other for three decades.
13:48But then the scheme of things, this means absolutely nothing.
13:52You know, it can all end in a second.
13:55So the message really, for me, in this, is what I know, is that there are no honour amongst thieves.
14:02There are codes of conduct that they can be done away with and shifted to fit any cause or on
14:11a needs-must basis, as we see here.
14:14You plant the trees. The trees grow tall.
14:19And sooner or later, they begin to get mangled.
14:24It's pruning time.
14:25I love this analogy about the trees, planting the trees, and the trees grow tall.
14:31You know, what he's talking about there is about the money, it's about the growth, it's about the power of
14:36people.
14:36Because that's what, you know, that's what happens.
14:39That's why people go into this life.
14:41But, of course, they can never really enjoy that money or that status if they think there is a status
14:47involved in this.
14:48This is a very dark life.
14:49You're always looking over your shoulder, it's who catches who first, you know, and there's no winners in it.
14:55Another part that's not really right about this is when they go in and they take them all out,
15:01that would never really happen in them circumstances.
15:03It would happen, but in a different way.
15:06But it wouldn't happen as a mass kind of execution like that.
15:10People would be allowed to leave.
15:12It would be a lot more tricky and a lot more positioned than that.
15:16But then certain people, I'm sure, if it was bad enough or they fell out, they couldn't come to an
15:20agreement about stuff,
15:22will be picked off one by one.
15:23That's the only difference and part that's not authentic that I see in this, but very well done.
15:30Once upon a time, there was this girl, nice girl, pretty girl, glossy hair.
15:41Anyway, she went to this school, nice school, private school, proper school.
15:47I love this scene in it because there's so much going on here.
15:51Organised crime and a life of organised crime really is about science.
15:55It's what you're saying but not saying.
15:56What is unsaid is more powerful than usually, in my view, than what is said.
16:01But sometimes when you're trying to relay a message just like that, like a threat,
16:06it would be veiled in a certain kind of a way.
16:10But the meaning and the consequences of what you're saying are very evident.
16:15So it translates that really, really well.
16:18He's threatening his family, saying, look, you don't do what we want, how you want, and you mess around with
16:24us.
16:25This is going to happen. It's going to be very bad.
16:28But this is how it's going to be bad for you.
16:30And, of course, the other part of it is it's all about leverage.
16:33What's the biggest leverage?
16:34What does Harry value the most?
16:37His daughter, his family.
16:39So they go right for the throat.
16:41They go right for the jugular.
16:43And that's what it's about.
16:45It's about leverage.
16:47But it's another example, especially nowadays, where there are no codes of conduct.
16:53Families, mothers, daughters, whatever, really, in the cold light of day, are fair game.
17:01If you enter a life like this, the more entrenched and the more dark and the more down the path
17:06you become,
17:07if you live a life like this, these are the outcomes.
17:12Morning, lads. What are we doing?
17:16I see. Is that for me? We're shooting families now.
17:19Another great scene. Mobland is littered with them.
17:21There's so much going on because you've got the connotations of family.
17:25You know, the translation between defining normal family as a normal family, kids, mother, spouse, all that, to an organised
17:37crime family.
17:38The loughties, the obligations and all that come with that are really interesting in this.
17:42I think he's done it very, very well.
17:44Harry's character here, obviously, his family are threatened now.
17:48He knows that very quickly.
17:49So he's trying to get rid of them.
17:51In a normal instance, people don't really want to do that, not proper organised criminals,
17:58because they're all about the money and protecting what they've got.
18:00They're not stupid.
18:01They know that it's a quick way to lose everything, going to war or, you know, attention from the police
18:07and all that stuff.
18:08So they try and keep that, you know, as less as possible.
18:11But once something bad happens or someone's been murdered or a liberty has been taken or something like that,
18:18then usually there's not a lot of really good ways back from that.
18:23And when it starts, it really starts.
18:25Another thing as well that I've picked up here, and it's quite a thing.
18:29The guy's here with a gun, you know, balaclava.
18:33The first time someone points a gun at you, you might think, oh, you know, it's a different experience.
18:38But when you've had guns pointed at you all the time, and you're using guns, and guns are around you,
18:43and guns are part of, you know, part of the fabric of your life and how you're living,
18:49you don't worry about guns.
18:50You don't flinch about guns.
18:52You see, it's, you know, it's crazy.
18:54You even develop this black humour that just kind of gets you through this craziness.
19:00Like, you know, you're looking a bit peaky.
19:02Maybe you should take your cap off, right, or something like that.
19:05You say something, there's a lot of this goes on, right?
19:07And it's kind of a way to, you know, me certainly, when I live that life,
19:12it's kind of a way to lessen stuff and just, you know, it doesn't have the same effect in you.
19:20You know, having guns pointed at you or being shot at and all that kind of stuff, as people would
19:25think.
19:26Harry needs you, and I need Harry Sharp.
19:31Yeah, well, I just need Harry.
19:33Again, this is another masterful scene because it translates family in both the extreme senses as an organised crime family,
19:41mobster family in the organised crime sense, or a normal family.
19:46You know, and for Conrad, he's a master of the art using leverage and positioning to get what he wants
19:52by any means.
19:54So it's not even about Harry's wife. He doesn't care about Harry's wife.
19:59I say he wants it all to be good, but he doesn't care about Harry's wife, apart from in the
20:03sense that she's a pawn to other stuff that he wants.
20:06For him, the important person is Harry. As he says, he needs Harry to be with it, to be sharp.
20:11Because he needs Harry to do things for him, which are important, so he can keep his position, his power,
20:17protect what he's got, and keep going.
20:19And there's a difference. The other side of it, the normalised family of the wife is, it portrays really how
20:26families of people involved in organised crime are long-suffering, really.
20:31Because the truth of it is, to be a figure like this, or be involved in a life like this
20:35is, you can never really own anything.
20:37You can never settle. You can never have a stable life. You're never going to have a really long-term,
20:43loving, healthy relationship.
20:45It's not going to happen. You may think you can pull that off, but it won't happen.
20:49And that's obvious. You know that, because the life that we choose when we live a life like that is,
20:57you are sacrificing normality.
20:58You're sacrificing these stability and these things. And, you know, the truth is, and we all kind of know that,
21:07anyone who you love, or anything that you love dearly, or anything which is around you, will be affected by
21:13that, and is constantly threatened.
21:16See, that's odd. Because by nature, you're quite a wily old fox, comrade. You don't tend to blunder around, risking
21:26life and limb.
21:26What's your point, Stevenson? I know, don't tell me.
21:32The exchange of power here and the dynamics here are really well scripted too. He's so good at this, Guy
21:39Ritchie, because he's got them both at the table, but it's loaded.
21:42There's so much going on here, and he needs to translate it quickly. Would this really happen in a day
21:49-to-day? Possibly.
21:51It may happen in some kind of instance, because really people are what they've got built. They're quite developed, you
21:57know, sophisticated along the path.
21:58That's why they're there. And they don't want to lose what they've got. So they're clever. You know, they're looking
22:04for...
22:05That's not to say that they're going to forget a grudge, or anything like that. But they may wait a
22:10year, two years, five years, and then come back around on that.
22:13But, you know, it's a game of chess. And if they need to keep everything moving, and they don't want
22:18attention, police, war, bloodshed, won't be able to sleep at night, leave their house, everything's threatened, then you may negotiate
22:29and you may sit down to try and create some kind of peace.
22:33But in my understanding of that, it's a false peace. And it doesn't work like that. And you're never really
22:41going to get peace. Because people in organised crime, they don't forget, you know, let me tell you.
22:45They don't forget. And it's all strategic. It's all tactical. They might smile in your face that time and say,
22:52yeah, brothers, and this and that. But next week, next month, next year, come back around on you.
22:57And the thing, what it always was, was when you was at your most weakest, you say, right, that cherry
23:02is ready to be picked. It's like walking through the Serengeti with the pride of lions constantly circling you, knowing
23:11that if you stumble or fall or make a trip even somewhere, then there won't be nothing left, not even
23:17bones, right?
23:18You know, that used to get me up early in the morning. Let me tell you, it wasn't even the
23:22money or anything like that. It goes beyond that, you know, survival becomes the name of the game. It's a
23:28world of darkness that you're in anyway.
23:30I hate you with every bone in my body. You think I'm going to stand there and let Richie Stevenson
23:38mouth me off with my son standing there?
23:41This scene loaded again, but there's a lot of lessons in this one as well. Conrad again, just like he's
23:48saying there, I hate you, and he's repeating what was said by Stevenson.
23:52Just another reflection, Guy Richards put in there, of how people don't forget. No one's your friend. You know, you
23:58may have allies, you may have strong allies, even people you've come all the way through with.
24:02And they'll even stand beside you in some of the worst of times, but they can also be your worst
24:07enemy if something turns and that can certainly happen.
24:11I've seen that many times, you know, in my own life when I was set up to be killed and,
24:17you know, and things like that.
24:19Another thing I see with this scene that's really, really important to detail is in a life like this, I've
24:25always said it was the things I could see coming was alright
24:30because I'd, you know, I'd be able to manage that pretty much, you know, or get a strategy around them.
24:35But I always knew it was the things that I didn't see, or the things I didn't know, or the
24:39people I didn't know who were saying certain things.
24:42That would be the thing that would get me, you know, that would be the undoing. Now, when you really
24:46look at that, this is something that you can never manage.
24:50It's something that you can never control about this life. And I've seen many people killed and murdered, not because
24:58they weren't good enough,
24:58or they weren't even straight or playing by the rules. But other things was going on behind them that positioned
25:06them for the worst stuff, you know,
25:08and that was their ending. And they didn't see that coming. So I think this is a real life example
25:15of how once you get into a life like this,
25:19there really is no way out and no winners.
25:28The first time someone points a gun at you, you might think, oh, you know, it's a different experience.
25:33But when you've had guns pointed at you all the time, and you're using guns, you don't worry about guns,
25:38you don't flinch about guns.
25:40My name's Stephen Gillan. I had a long, unfortunate history in organised crime. Serving many sentences, one being 17 years
25:48in high security prison as a Category A prisoner.
25:51Today, I am going to react to Mobland so we can lift the curtain behind what is really going on.
25:59I appreciate the relationship between the Dohans and the Lazarus goes back more than three decades. I appreciate that it's
26:06an ecosystem spanning North and East London.
26:09It's quite lifelike, in a sense, because there are meetings that go on, you know, like this all the time.
26:16And there is a hierarchy of people.
26:18But you have to understand this is all based on money. And as he says, revenue streams. And for me,
26:23a thing that I picked up there is, you know,
26:25he said, everyone's been together, we've known each other for three decades. But then the scheme of things, this means
26:32absolutely nothing.
26:34You know, it can all end in a second. So the message really for me in this is what I
26:40know is that there are no honour amongst thieves.
26:44There are codes of conduct that they can be done away with and shifted to fit any cause or on
26:52a needs must basis, as we see here.
26:56You plant the trees. The trees grow tall. And sooner or later, they begin to get mangled. It's pruning time.
27:07I love this analogy about the trees, planting the trees and the trees grow tall. You know, what he's talking
27:14about there is about the money,
27:16it's about the growth, it's about the power of people, because that's what, you know, that's what happens.
27:20That's why people go into this life. But of course, they can never really enjoy that money or that status
27:27if they think there is a status involved in this.
27:29This is a very dark life. You're always looking over your shoulder at who catches who first, you know, and
27:36there's no winners in it.
27:37Another part that's not really right about this is when they go in and they take them all out, that
27:43would never really happen in them circumstances.
27:45It would happen, but in a different way. But it wouldn't happen as a mass kind of execution like that.
27:52People would be allowed to leave. It would be a lot more tricky and a lot more positioned than that.
27:58But then certain people, I'm sure if it was bad enough or they fell out, they couldn't come to an
28:02agreement about stuff,
28:03will be picked off one by one. That's the only difference and part that's not authentic that I see in
28:11this, but very well done.
28:12Once upon a time, there was this girl, nice girl, pretty girl, glossy hair. Anyway, she went to this school,
28:26nice school, private school, proper school.
28:28I love this scene in it because there's so much going on here.
28:33Organised crime and a life of organised crime really is about signs. It's what you're saying but not saying.
28:38What is unsaid is more powerful than usually, in my view, than what is said.
28:43But sometimes when you're trying to relay a message just like that, like a threat, it would be veiled in
28:50a certain kind of a way.
28:51But the meaning and the consequences of what you're saying are very evident.
28:57So it translates that really, really well. He's threatening his family saying,
29:01Look, you don't do what we want, how you want, and you mess around with us.
29:07This is going to happen. It's going to be very bad, but this is how it's going to be bad
29:11for you.
29:11And, of course, the other part of it is it's all about leverage. What's the biggest leverage?
29:16What does Harry value the most? His daughter, his family.
29:21So they go right for the throat, they go right for the jugular, you know, and that's what it's about,
29:26you know.
29:27It's about leverage. But it's another example, especially nowadays, where there are no codes of conduct.
29:34You know, families, mothers, daughters, whatever, really, in the cold light of day, are fair game.
29:42If you enter a life like this, the more entrenched and the more dark and the more down the path
29:48you become,
29:48if you live a life like this, these are the outcomes.
29:54Morning, lads. What are we doing?
29:57I see. Is that for me? We're shooting families now.
30:01Another great scene. Mobland is littered with them. There's so much going on because you've got the connotations of family.
30:07You know, the translation between defining normal family, as in normal family, kids, mother, spouse, all that,
30:17to an organised crime family. The lorties, the obligations and all that come with that are really interesting in this.
30:24I think he's done it very, very well. Harry's character here, obviously, his family are threatened now.
30:29He knows that very quickly. So he's trying to get rid of him. In a normal instance, people don't really
30:36want to do that.
30:37Not proper organised criminals. So they're all about the money and protecting what they've got.
30:42They're not stupid. They know that it's a quick way to lose everything, going to war or, you know, attention
30:48from the police and all that stuff.
30:49So they try and keep that, you know, as less as possible. But once something bad happens or someone's been
30:56murdered or there's a liberty has been taken or something like that,
31:00then usually there's not a lot of really good ways back from that. And when it starts, it really starts.
31:06Another thing as well that I picked up here, and it's quite a thing. The guy's here with a gun,
31:13you know, balaclava.
31:15The first time someone points a gun at you, you might think, oh, you know, it's a different experience.
31:20But when you've had guns pointed at you all the time, and you're using guns, and guns are around you,
31:25and guns are part of, you know, part of the fabric of your life and how you're living, you don't
31:31worry about guns.
31:32You don't flinch about guns. You see, it's, you know, it's crazy. You even develop this black humour that just
31:39kind of gets you through this craziness.
31:42Like, you know, oh, you're looking a bit peaky. Maybe you should take your cap off, right, or something like
31:46that.
31:46You say something like that. There's a lot of this goes on, right? And it's kind of a way to,
31:52you know, me certainly, when I lived that life,
31:54it's kind of a way to lessen stuff and just, you know, it doesn't have the same effect on you.
32:02You know, having guns pointed at you or being shot at and all that kind of stuff, as people would
32:06think.
32:08Harry needs you, and I need Harry Sharp.
32:12Yeah, well, I just need Harry.
32:14Again, this is another masterful scene, because it translates family in both the extreme senses as an organised crime family,
32:23mobster family in the organised crime sense, or a normal family.
32:28You know, and for Conrad, he's a master of the art using leverage and positioning to get what he wants
32:34by any means.
32:35So it's not even about Harry's wife. He doesn't care about Harry's wife.
32:40I say he wants it all to be good, but he doesn't care about Harry's wife, apart from in the
32:45sense that she's a pawn to other stuff that he wants.
32:48For him, the important person is Harry. As he says, he needs Harry to be with it, to be sharp.
32:52Because he needs Harry to do things for him, which are important, so he can keep his position, his power,
32:58protect what he's got, and keep going.
33:01And there's a difference. The other side of it, the normalised family of the wife is, it portrays really how
33:08families of people involved in organised crime are long-suffering, really.
33:12Because the truth of it is, to be a figure like this, or be involved in a life like this,
33:17is you can never really own anything.
33:19You can never settle. You can never have a stable life. You're never going to have a really long-term,
33:25loving, healthy relationship.
33:27It's not going to happen. You may think you can pull that off, but it won't happen.
33:31And that's obvious. You know that, because the life that we choose when we live a life like that, is
33:38you are sacrificing normality.
33:41You're sacrificing stability and these things. And the truth is, and we all kind of know that, anyone who you
33:50love, or anything that you love dearly, or anything which is around you, will be affected by that, and is
33:56constantly threatened.
33:57You see, that's odd. Because by nature, you're quite a wily old fox, comrade. You don't tend to blunder around,
34:07risking life and limb.
34:09What's your point, Stevenson?
34:12I know who don't tell me.
34:14The exchange of power here and the dynamics here are really well scripted, too. He's so good at this, Guy
34:21Ritchie, because he's got them both at the table, but it's loaded.
34:24There's so much going on here, and he needs to translate it quickly. Would this really happen in a day
34:30-to-day? Possibly.
34:32It may happen in some kind of instance because, really, people are what they've got built. They're quite developed, you
34:38know, sophisticated along the path.
34:40That's why they're there. And they don't want to lose what they've got. So they're clever. You know, they're looking
34:46for...
34:47That's not to say that they're going to forget a grudge or anything like that. But they may wait a
34:52year, two years, five years, and then come back around on that.
34:55But, you know, it's a game of chess. And if they need to keep everything moving and they don't want
35:00attention, police, war or bloodshed won't be able to sleep at night, leave their house, everything's threatened, then you may
35:10negotiate and you may sit down to try and create some kind of peace.
35:15But in my understanding of that, it's a false peace. And it doesn't work like that. And you're never really
35:22going to get peace.
35:24Because people in organised crime, they don't forget, you know, let me tell you. They don't forget. And it's all
35:29strategic. It's all tactical.
35:31They might smile in your face that time and say, yeah, brothers, and this and that. But next week, next
35:36month, next year, come back around in you.
35:39And the thing, what it always was, was when you was at your most weakest, you say, right, that cherry's
35:44ready to be picked.
35:46It's like walking through the Serengeti with the pride of lions constantly circling you, knowing that if you stumble or
35:54fall or make a trip even somewhere, then there won't be nothing left, not even bones, right?
36:00You know, that used to get me up early in the morning. Let me tell you, it wasn't even the
36:04money or anything like that. It goes beyond that, you know, survival becomes the name of the game.
36:09It's a world of darkness that you're in anyway.
36:12I hate you with every bone in my body. You think I'm going to stand there and let Richie Stevenson
36:20mouth me off with my son standing there?
36:23This scene loaded again, but there's a lot of lessons in this one as well. Conrad again, just like he's
36:30saying there, I hate you and he's repeating what was said by Stevenson.
36:33Just another reflection, Guy Richards put in there, of how people don't forget. No one's your friend. You know, you
36:40may have allies, you may have strong allies, even people you've come all the way through with.
36:44They'll even stand beside you in some of the worst of times, but they can also be your worst enemy
36:49if something turns and that can certainly happen.
36:53I've seen that many times, you know, in my own life when I was set up to be killed and,
36:59you know, and things like that.
37:01Another thing I see with this scene that's really, really important to detail is, in a life like this, I've
37:07always said it was, the things I could see coming was alright.
37:12Because I'd, you know, I'd be able to manage that pretty much, you know, or get a strategy around them.
37:17But I always knew it was the things that I didn't see, or the things that I didn't know, or
37:21the people I didn't know who were saying certain things.
37:23That would be the thing that would get me, you know, that would be the undoing.
37:27Now, when you really look at that, this is something that you can never manage. It's something that never, you
37:33can never control about this life.
37:35And I've, I've seen many people killed and murdered, not because they weren't good enough, or they weren't even straight,
37:43or playing by the rules.
37:44But other things was going on behind them, that positioned them for the worst stuff, you know, and that was
37:50their, that was their ending.
37:51And they didn't see that coming. So I think this is a real life example of how once you get
37:59into a life like this, there really is no way out, and no winners.
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