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00:00Oh, then she's like, so it's true lah you masuk Islam. I still remember, you know, that night.
00:08Then dia cakap, so sekarang you bukan anak saya dah lah.
00:31Hello, we are back for another special episode of Motif Trending, di mana di step episode kita akan menemuan mereka
00:37yang sedang trending di mata netizen.
00:39And today joining us in the studio, we have Christina Chiu.
00:54Okay, jom kita tanya dia kenapa dia trending sekarang.
00:58Okay, before we get into all this trending stuff and whatnot, mungkin you boleh share sedikit pasal latar belakang Christina
01:05sendiri, your background.
01:07Oh, actually I'm a full-time content creator. And then saya juga seorang mu'alaf.
01:14Saya dah masuk Islam since 2019, Januari, lepas saya balik Malaysia. So, before that, I...
01:26Sebelum ni kat mana?
01:28Sebelum ni, I become a bit crazy. I pergi solo travel.
01:32Okay.
01:32I pergi Middle East for a while.
01:35Wow.
01:35Just for healing.
01:37Okay.
01:38Soul searching, cari diri sendiri.
01:40Saya siapa sebenarnya?
01:41Ya, ya. Alhamdulillah, I found it.
01:43Eh, that's cool, that's cool, that's cool.
01:45Okay, you viral sebab pengkhidraan you.
01:47Ah, yeah.
01:49Okay, we want to know apa yang membuat Christina convert to Islam?
02:04At that point, what was it eight years ago for yourself?
02:08Seven years ago.
02:09Officially, I think it's seven years ago, ya, betul.
02:14Actually, I had this thought since I was in college.
02:18Okay.
02:20But at that time, I was younger.
02:23You know, when you are young,
02:25you don't have that, that, that, that, that much.
02:29So, when I was in college,
02:31I felt like I wanted to be Islam.
02:36But, I don't know.
02:38Maybe life just happened.
02:40And then, I just put it behind my head.
02:42Right.
02:43Then, ada tak satu detik yang you boleh,
02:46at the moment,
02:47detik pertama yang you, like,
02:49tertarik dengan,
02:50dengan Islam?
02:51Do you remember that?
02:52That point?
02:53Can you share that with us?
02:54Yeah.
02:55Actually,
02:57I was a Christian.
02:59Okay.
03:00Before.
03:01And then, lepas tu,
03:02I feel like I tak boleh nak connect
03:03dengan religion too.
03:05Okay.
03:05And then, I became an atheist for a good five years.
03:08Wow.
03:09So, at that time,
03:10masa that five years,
03:12somehow, I discovered Islam,
03:16but in a very strange way.
03:18Okay.
03:18Sebab kita membesar di Malaysia, kan?
03:20Betul.
03:20So, Islam, hearing about Islam is very normal.
03:23Betul.
03:24Like, betul-betul mendalam me.
03:26Like,
03:26I tak ada chance lagi lah.
03:28Sebelum tu.
03:29So, bila I masuk college,
03:31I kenal banyak kawan,
03:34Muslim friends from overseas especially.
03:37Oh.
03:37Okay.
03:38Not local Muslims, okay?
03:40No, no.
03:41And then, diorang suka cerita pasal Islam,
03:44like,
03:45storytelling.
03:46Maksud kita pergi lepak,
03:47dia akan cerita.
03:49So,
03:49I become very comfortable listening to the story.
03:52Faham.
03:53Macam tu.
03:53And then, one day,
03:54I just tanya soalan yang,
03:57kurang sopan lah,
03:58kalau tanya sekarang.
04:00Apa dia?
04:00Apa dia?
04:01I tanya.
04:01Kita maafkan je.
04:02Boleh?
04:05So,
04:06pada,
04:07this one evening,
04:08I tanya lah.
04:09So,
04:10sebab dia orang tengah berborak, kan?
04:11Kita satu grup.
04:12So, I tanya lah.
04:13Actually, sebenarnya,
04:14siapa ni Allah?
04:16Yang you keep...
04:18Talking about?
04:18Keep talking about.
04:19Because,
04:20in other religion,
04:21our God
04:22was always somebody.
04:24Betul?
04:25Yes.
04:25Tapi Allah ni,
04:27it's so mystery,
04:28you know?
04:28Tak ada muka,
04:30tak nampak muka,
04:32tak nampak wajah.
04:33We just hear about it.
04:35And then, a lot of misconception,
04:37macam,
04:38orang ingat,
04:39orang Islam sembah to the
04:42Ka'bah.
04:43Oh,
04:44at Mecca.
04:45Ya, at Mecca, you know?
04:46So,
04:47from there,
04:48dia jawab,
04:50Allah sebenarnya,
04:52nama dia,
04:53Allah tu,
04:54Tuhan lah.
04:55Nama dia Tuhan.
04:56Tuhan?
04:57Okay.
04:58Tuhan yang you sembahlah
05:00masa you,
05:01masa you,
05:02you Christian.
05:03I said,
05:03oh,
05:04it's the same God.
05:05Okay.
05:07Then,
05:07ting.
05:08Right.
05:09Yeah.
05:11Something light up.
05:14Then,
05:14lepas tu,
05:15I buat research on my own.
05:17Hmm,
05:18masa tu,
05:18ada internet dah lah.
05:21Lembab lah.
05:22Tapi,
05:22ada internet.
05:24So,
05:25that's how
05:25it started.
05:39So,
05:40selain daripada,
05:42Kristianity that you mentioned about,
05:44you,
05:45other explore juga,
05:48religion yang lain,
05:48agama yang lain,
05:49sebelum you peluk Islam?
05:50No,
05:52actually,
05:52I was born,
05:53I was born and raised in a Buddhist family.
05:56Okay.
05:56So,
05:57memang membesar di family beragama Buddhist.
06:01Yeah.
06:02Then,
06:02after that,
06:03masa I teenager,
06:04I started to go to the church a lot.
06:07Itupun sebab kawan ke?
06:09Or?
06:09Tak.
06:09Because,
06:10my mom,
06:11my mom is a single mother.
06:13So,
06:14masa,
06:15bila dia pergi out station,
06:16I will go stay with a teacher.
06:19Ah, okay.
06:19Cikgu tu,
06:20very staunch Christian.
06:22Okay.
06:22And then,
06:23dia bawalah I sekali.
06:24To the church,
06:25Sunday school,
06:26semua,
06:27I pergi tahu.
06:27Oh, really?
06:28Yeah.
06:29But,
06:31too bad,
06:31I didn't resonate.
06:33You didn't connect with you.
06:33Yeah,
06:34I just didn't,
06:35you know.
06:36Okay.
06:37Waktu mula-mula,
06:39Christina cuba,
06:41mendalami Islam lagi.
06:42Ada tak cabaran,
06:44ataupun stigma,
06:44dari luar.
06:47For example,
06:47for example,
06:49the Western media always brainwash
06:52people about
06:53Islamophobia,
06:54you know,
06:56you know,
06:57that kind of stuff.
06:57Different perception of what Islam really is
06:59and stuff like that.
07:01do you have any of the stories?
07:03I think, yeah,
07:05memang betullah
07:05apa you cakap kan,
07:07kita,
07:07this thing is ongoing.
07:10Tapi,
07:10bila I travel,
07:12it starts to open up my eyes a lot.
07:13But,
07:14you know,
07:15oh,
07:15rupanya Islam is not so bad,
07:18you know,
07:18it's not so crazy,
07:20like,
07:21what we see.
07:22On the media.
07:23Yeah,
07:23you know.
07:24So then,
07:26tapi memang
07:27lepas I revert,
07:29and especially I
07:30came out in public about it,
07:34then,
07:34yalah,
07:34banyak cabaran,
07:36ugutan,
07:38kena kecam.
07:40Daripada
07:41golongan siapa?
07:43Mixed.
07:44Mixed.
07:45From
07:46our own community,
07:48from
07:50some of the Muslims,
07:52some,
07:53actually,
07:54everybody.
07:54Okay.
07:55Everybody, you know.
07:56Because I bukannya penampilan,
07:58I bukannya
07:59very
08:00Islam.
08:01Right.
08:01So,
08:02I get kecam here,
08:03and then here,
08:05I'm like,
08:05oh, you're a traitor.
08:07Faham.
08:07And then,
08:08another side macam,
08:09you're crazy to do this.
08:11Right.
08:12So,
08:13it never stopped.
08:15Sampai hari ni,
08:16I rasa.
08:16Tapi,
08:17Alhamdulillah,
08:19seven years past now,
08:20I dah macam,
08:22biasa.
08:23Oh,
08:25the Lord kecam,
08:25okay.
08:26Faham benar,
08:27secara biasa dah?
08:28Ya, dah biasa lah.
08:29It's a part of your dugaan,
08:31as they say.
08:31Ya.
08:32Okay.
08:33We know,
08:34perjalanan revert ni,
08:35I don't know that lealtigedy era,
08:36it was just a way to make you
08:38as a person.
08:40Yeah.
08:40But,
08:40it was also a way to make you mental health.
08:43Hmm.
08:45I don't know you're even with your ex.
08:48Yeah, my ex-husband.
08:50Your ex-husband because he didn't want to go on board.
08:53And it's your choice.
08:55I think religion and faith is a really big thing in a relationship.
08:59It must be tough for you at that point.
09:02Macam mana dengan pengalaman itu? Boleh tak cerita sikit dengan kita?
09:05That's why I went crazy pergi solo travel.
09:08Okay, that makes sense.
09:11Yeah, it was a...
09:13It wasn't really a cabaran, you know.
09:15I had a lot of doubts.
09:17Macam betul ke?
09:19Betul ke?
09:20Because I went on with my life, you know.
09:23I had kahwin, dah ada anak.
09:25Normal people don't do this, you know.
09:27They are happy with what they have.
09:31My life was already stable, you know.
09:34But then my ex-husband, he knew I had this desire to convert to Islam.
09:42Even before we got married.
09:45Okay.
09:46So he was thinking maybe, you know, after we get married,
09:51I can lupakan this issue.
09:54Macam tu.
09:56Tapi...
09:56Macam tu lah.
09:57I still...
09:58Allah never left my heart, you know.
10:02Macam tu.
10:03So I still went back to Allah.
10:05In the end.
10:06And then...
10:08I had a lot to talk to her.
10:11Because during that time,
10:13Our marriage was very...
10:15Our marriage was very...
10:15A bit of a problem.
10:16We had a lot of problems with Rocky.
10:21So, I started to...
10:30So, I did that and then, he was like, okay, you do your thing.
10:38But at the end, when I learned more and more about Islam,
10:42I said to him, actually, we cannot continue like this.
10:48You know?
10:49But I had to talk to him and say,
10:53if you want this marriage to work,
10:56maybe you can consider masuk Islam with me.
11:00Together, we go in together.
11:02And then, we work on our marriage, insyaAllah.
11:06So, I think a couple of weeks later,
11:08he came back and said, he can't do it.
11:12He can't do it. I said, okay.
11:13And then, I respect your decision.
11:16Because agama is a personal choice.
11:19You cannot force somebody, right?
11:21You cannot force someone to believe in this.
11:24Right.
11:25So, I said, okay.
11:26Then, we decide to be peace.
11:29I'm sorry to get back into the future.
11:35I'm sorry to hear what I have said and know.
11:43I can ask you!
11:43How did you leave the back of your marriage?
11:49This is a real problem,
11:51so I was confident.
11:52I can really do that.
11:52I had to be a hero for trying to be a leader.
11:52I was a leader in a leader.
11:52I was a leader in a leader.
11:54I know, right?
11:55I know, I think I'm a leader in a leader.
11:57You're a leader.
11:57How did you know?
11:57You're a leader?
11:57You know, right?
11:57We can do that rather,
11:59you know?
11:59You're a leader in a leader.
11:59Really?
11:59How did you know?
12:00No, no, they found out from the news, I think.
12:06Oh, okay.
12:07My ex-husband was a TV host.
12:11Okay.
12:12So, bila kita bercerai, dia ada buat announcement.
12:15Right.
12:16So, it became a thing.
12:17Yeah, it became a thing.
12:19Right.
12:19And then I said, it's okay, you can put it on me, no problem.
12:23I make the decision.
12:25So, I tanggung lah.
12:26My mom, at first kan, dia macam pura-pura, tak tahu tahu benda ni.
12:32So, bila I balik Malaysia, I kena like, sort out, I'm a laundry, from all the travels.
12:39So, dia nampak I'm a Telukong, hanging outside.
12:42So, dia masalah, dia macam, eh, ni baju Melayu, siapa?
12:47I said, no, this one's not baju Melayu.
12:50This one, Telukong.
12:52Okay, who's one?
12:53Why is it here?
12:55I don't know what hit my mind.
12:57I just macam, it's mine.
13:00It's mine.
13:01Oh, then she's like, so it's true lah, you must be Islam.
13:06I still remember, you know, that night.
13:09Because I sampai je airport, I terus pergi rumah kakak I.
13:14My mom was there at that time.
13:17And then, she said, so, so, sekarang, you're not a child of me.
13:23Oh.
13:23Oh.
13:24Oh.
13:27So, you know, my daughter anymore, is it?
13:29So, you know, my daughter anymore, is it?
13:29That, you cakap macam tu.
13:32Then, I cakap, no.
13:34I will always be here.
13:36You know?
13:38Then, I was like, but he was just like, I was like, mi.
13:41I was like, yeah.
13:42You're like, my father.
13:48It was like, I don't know what to do with me.
13:50It was like, oh my father.
13:51But I sat there like, you know, like, I was like, me pretty much.
13:56Like, he wasn't gonna be friends with her.
13:56Oh, so, that's a good idea.
13:59Let me go, I don't know.
14:01You know?
14:02I'm like, just like, oh, I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh, oh, I'm like, oh, and I'm like.
14:13What would your comment be?
14:16Because I think Christina is the most close to the experience for me.
14:21So, did you really lose your family?
14:26No, I don't.
14:28Maybe it was a little difficult to accept.
14:35Right.
14:37But as long as we have toleration, we have to understand that even though we are in Islam, we have
14:44to understand that it is not a decision of our family.
14:48So, we cannot impose our belief on our family.
14:53That's what I feel about the relationship of our family.
14:57Like, you are demanding or not.
15:00You are forced to understand or not.
15:03No, not just like that.
15:05Because as an Islam, we have our way of life.
15:11So, we cannot bring our way of life into our family.
15:16They feel negative.
15:18You know, like, hey, why are you trying to do this?
15:20You are the one who wants to go to Islam, right?
15:22Why do you want to go to our family?
15:24Why do you want to go to our family?
15:26Why do you want to go to our family?
15:28Do you understand what I mean?
15:29Yes.
15:31Of course, you know, Allah is the most understanding.
15:36He will understand us.
15:38Our intention is more important.
15:41Alhamdulillah, I didn't lose my family.
15:44Alhamdulillah.
15:45But it wasn't easy in the beginning because of the stigma.
15:50So, I think it is our job to change that stigma as a Muslim.
16:09So, siapa disebaliknya siapa yang paling banyak support Kristina dalam perjalanan ini?
16:16You know, because obviously, there are family members like your mom who didn't agree.
16:20And they gave you that silent treatment for a bit, merajuk and whatnot.
16:23Mesti ada seseorang di sebaliknya yang support you all this way.
16:28Actually, I was mostly on my own.
16:32Oh, okay.
16:33Yeah.
16:33I never remarry.
16:35I don't know.
16:38I don't know.
16:39I don't know.
16:39I just...
16:39On my own.
16:40I don't know.
16:41So, di mana you cari sumber-sumber ini untuk mendalami lagi?
16:46Online.
16:46Online.
16:47Okay.
16:47Yeah.
16:48Even class for mualaf pun I cari online.
16:52Oh.
16:53Yeah.
16:53But the solat part, before my marriage, I had a kawan satu ni.
16:58Nama dia Zephina.
17:01So, Zephina, dia ada tunjuk saya macam mana solat.
17:04But it was so hard.
17:06Because I don't know what she's talking.
17:08And then all the steps, I...
17:10Right, right.
17:11You know.
17:12Then dia ajar saya.
17:14If I nak ingat, I just tulis kat kertas.
17:17And then I memorize.
17:18I do that until today.
17:19Okay.
17:20Yeah.
17:20So, when I went back to practice Islam,
17:28I ingat dia punya nasihat.
17:31Tulis kat kertas semua.
17:33And other than that, I cari online.
17:36I pergi kelas sendiri.
17:39I just go to the masjid and say I want to attend kelas.
17:43I dengar ada orang cakap sini, pergi kelas kan.
17:46So, I just, hello.
17:49I nak pergi kelas.
17:51It's cool, it's cool.
17:52Yeah.
17:53Macam itulah.
17:54Yeah.
18:10So, in this seven years of your journey,
18:14mungkin you boleh ceritakan kelainan yang you dapat rasa
18:18in comparison to your previous years of your life,
18:21being a Muslim now.
18:23Maybe you can share something.
18:24Oh, comparison?
18:26Yeah.
18:27Ni I can embrace myself.
18:29Okay.
18:29Sebab orang tak suka dengar comparison.
18:32Macam ni.
18:34I feel like...
18:36Ni personal opinion eh.
18:38Personal journey.
18:40I feel like I live a much healthier life.
18:43Whereas before, I'm very like hard on myself.
18:45You know, why this is not happening?
18:48Why that person have this?
18:49Kenapa dia lagi berjaya daripada I?
18:52I had a fikiran macam ni tau.
18:54Because it is in our Chinese culture to, you know, strive for...
18:58To compete.
18:59Yeah, to compete.
19:00You know?
19:01It's in us.
19:03Betul.
19:03Betul tak?
19:04Who gets a better mark?
19:06Who makes more money?
19:07Right.
19:08Who's more successful?
19:09Yeah.
19:11So, it created a lot of, I guess, stress.
19:15And also self-doubt in myself.
19:18Tapi, after I become a Muslim, my heart is more tenang.
19:25I start to understand more about life.
19:29And it makes me more peaceful.
19:31My temple becomes better.
19:34And then, it's not just that I am not a angel.
19:36I am not an angel.
19:37It's just that there is.
19:38The biggest difference is,
19:39the lifestyle healthier.
19:41Yeah.
19:42The lifestyle healthier.
19:43And then,
19:45how about that?
19:45That's cool.
19:46So, selain daripada solat, besides prayer, salah satu perkara yang penting dalam Islam, as I understand, is berpuasa.
19:54Fasting, in the fasting month especially right now.
19:57Boleh tak kongsi pengalaman you bila nak start puasa awal-awal?
20:03Okay.
20:04Yeah, tell me more about that experience.
20:07Okay, bila saya nak...
20:09My first year berpuasa, I pergi jauh lah daripada Malaysia, you know.
20:15I don't know why I did that.
20:17Killing, kan jauhkan.
20:19Because I was searching for myself.
20:21So, kalau I kat Malaysia, my family is around me, my friends are around me.
20:26Maybe they will say something that will change my mind.
20:28So, I left Malaysia, I pergi travel, I pergi Middle East lah.
20:33I was hopping from country to country.
20:35That was the time I puasa first year.
20:40Oh, panjang lah the puasa.
20:42I rasa macam enam belas jam.
20:45Oh, ya.
20:47Enam belas jam, lepas itu I travel.
20:50Actually, sebenarnya for traveller, we call Musafir.
20:55Okay.
20:55You can skip your prayers and later you ganti lah.
20:58Right.
20:59But, I didn't skip lah because like, I don't want lah ganti, very hard lah.
21:07Mas, I do it now.
21:07Ha, you know, because like, actually ganti puasa is very hard lah, you know.
21:12Betul, betul.
21:12Because the vibe already gone, you know.
21:14Betul, lagi-lagi bila orang dah start enjoy balik, you kena ganti pula kan.
21:18Ya, and puasa kat Middle East, dia punya feeling lain lah, macam best lah.
21:24Because everywhere you go, you dengar azan.
21:28It's really like, and then the, maybe I was walking a lot, the weather was really nice.
21:34It was not too hot, not too cold.
21:36Just nice to explore the places, you know.
21:40And then I always dengar azan, pada tenang.
21:48Pula, acara...
21:50River.
21:58I started my job last year, but I'm worried, so that's one year later.
22:03Do you have any other Islam activities that you like and can meet with us?
22:07Any other religious activities that you are exposed to that you enjoy this time,
22:13that you can share with us?
22:15Maybe volunteering or...?
22:17Oh, okay. Tell us more.
22:19Sometimes I go to the mosque, volunteer.
22:23I love solat tahajud.
22:25It's a midnight prayer.
22:27It's lovely.
22:29Very peaceful.
22:31Because the world is sleeping, you know.
22:33And then you get peace to yourself.
22:36Even if you have a partner, your partner is sleeping.
22:39So, I really like this solat tahajud.
22:44It's like a personal phone call to Allah.
22:47Wow.
22:50That's the thing I really...
22:53I really like.
22:54If you count that as an activity.
22:56It's like day with a personal person, you can learn to join me.
23:01That's what I mean as it's a good way of expressing.
23:04That's what I want to say about Christina.
23:08What about the future of Christina?
23:11What about Christina?
23:12Which is what I mean as a personal client?
23:21What about Christina?
23:25in Islam, you know who Allah is, you cannot turn your back and forget about it, you know.
23:36It will always be in your heart. You can go anywhere else.
23:40If you truly believe that Allah exists, you will not forget him, you know.
23:46He will come back. InsyaAllah, he will always be in our heart.
23:51Itulah hidayah for me.
23:53All right. Hey, I want to, sorry, just want to add on a little bit.
23:57Your relationship with your mum.
23:59Ah, okay.
24:00Do you still teman her to go to temple?
24:04Yeah.
24:05Just to teman her and she also remind you to puasa.
24:08And how's the relationship like right now after eight years, seven years?
24:11Oh, yeah, I still take her to the temple.
24:17I'm basically like a personal driver.
24:20Okay.
24:21Which I'm very honored to.
24:22So, wherever she wants to go, she'll like...
24:25She'll call you?
24:25Yeah, she'll call me, you know, come pick her up or...
24:28But about going to the temple, my mum was very respectful when she asked.
24:33You know, I think she also...
24:35So, she was asking like, oh, esok kan, ada ni prayer, dia cakap prayer, dia nak pergi temple.
24:45I'm like, ah, okay, boleh tak you hantar I?
24:49What do you think?
24:51You know, dia tanya macam tu.
24:53I said, oh, no problem, I'll pergilah.
24:55Lepas tu, bila kita sampai temple kan, dia cakap, okeylah, tak apa, you pergilah duduk ke luar cafe ke apa.
25:03I said, eh, tak boleh lah, banyak barang.
25:06Oh, macam mana, you nak ambil sendiri?
25:07I can come with you.
25:10And then dia macam, boleh ke you come?
25:12Yeah.
25:14Yeah, I can come.
25:15I can carry the things.
25:16You go and do your thing.
25:19Right, right.
25:21Actually, my relationship dengan my mother became better after I revert to Islam.
25:29Yeah, before this, kita punya family is like very individualist.
25:34Right.
25:34Kita macam...
25:37Buat hal kau, aku buat hal aku.
25:39Yeah.
25:40I'm a very like stubborn punya orang, you know.
25:44That's why I boleh do what I did, kan.
25:48So, that's why me and my mother's relationship macam taklah very close, kan.
25:55Because I always sakitkan her hati when I was younger, you know.
25:58I like to do my own thing.
26:00I'm someone yang like to find my own way.
26:04I don't believe in...
26:06Like, just A is A.
26:09I want to explore the world.
26:11Like, the world is my oyster, orang macam itu.
26:15Dia ada cakap dengan I, dia tak pernah fikir yang I akan...
26:21I yang akan jaga dia masa dia sakit.
26:24And then, I tell her, this is what...
26:28This is Islam.
26:30This is what Islam taught me.
26:33You know?
26:50Okay, last, paling last, kan, ni.
26:52Okay.
26:53Apalagi?
26:54Ucapan raya untuk penonton di luar sana.
26:57Okay.
26:58That camera's for you.
26:58Silakan.
27:01Ramadhan Mubarak to everyone out there.
27:04May Allah accept all our prayers, all our deeds, insyaAllah.
27:10Dan selamat Hari Raya.
27:14Nanti jumpa, ay, tau.
27:15Jangan lupa, eh.
27:18Alright.
27:18Thank you so much, Christina.
27:20Thank you, Sean.
27:21Thank you for your time.
27:22All good, all good.
27:22Terima kasih sebab Suri datang ke Motifending.
27:24My pleasure.
27:26Bye.
27:26Bye.
27:26Bye.
27:27Bye.
27:29Bye.
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