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00:03Connor. Yes. We hear you love languages and accents. Other than Russian, what's your favorite?
00:10Ooh, I'm kind of always switching between languages. Right now, I really want to learn
00:16Spanish. I'm from West Texas, so I've always heard Spanish. And living in LA, there's Spanish
00:21everywhere. So it doesn't feel very, like, exotic to me because I've heard it my whole life. But
00:27I think it's sexy. Spanish is muy sexy. Yes, I think Colombian Spanish, I think, is the
00:36sexiest language there is. I like the traditional Spain-Spanish. Spain-Spanish. Vamos a la playa
00:41de Barcelona. Barcelona. Con Javier Bader. Yeah. Ana de Armas. Ana de Armas. She's Cuban,
00:50right? She's Cuban. Okay. Pretty girl. Okay. This year marks 20 years since Brokeback Mountain.
00:56Are there any MM romance movies, shows, or books that have really stuck with you either
01:00growing up or recently? Well, I love Brokeback Mountain. It was one of the first things that
01:05you told me. Yeah. I love Keith Ledger plays Ennis. I still think it's his best work. I think
01:11that was one of the first pivotal ones when you have two leading men take on, you know,
01:17gay cowboys. It's pretty bold. But then, you know, you have Call Me By Your Name, Moonlight,
01:22I think with Barry Jenkins saying, bringing the art house to the hood is what he said.
01:27That was already just a beautiful juxtaposition. And then having, you know, he said he wanted
01:33to redefine masculinity with that movie, which I thought was so cool.
01:36Yeah. Call Me By Your Name, I think, was like pretty revolutionary. Yeah. Yeah. I was in high
01:40school at that time. And I remember that being the first thing that felt like it was really a part
01:46of the cultural zeitgeist. And it also handled, like, it also handled queer stories in a really
01:52cool way where it was so under the surface and it made it so human, you know, which I think
01:59also
01:59was kind of like a moonlight scenario where we're taking these people in such a specific time and
02:05place and like letting them explore love. Right. What does SMUT mean to you?
02:14I'm going to try to make an acronym. Sexy. This is going to be in relation to, um,
02:20into, uh, ember and ice. Um, sexy. Magic. Um, universe.
02:34universe
02:35i have no idea what did i say sexy magic universe um titillating yeah yeah we'll do that titillating
02:50oh you very publicly shot your shot for night weighing
02:55which was extremely fun to watch have you been a DC fan and what is it like to see fans
03:00instantly
03:01rally behind you especially the ones that say you have the face the talent and the butt I will
03:06be completely honest I when I saw like some fan art of you as Nightwing I was like blown away
03:13whoa like I I mean you never know if that's going to come to fruition or not but yeah I
03:19see like
03:19someone did you in the comic book style I was like I see it right away wow yeah I would
03:25I would love to
03:26play him I love DC I love um I loved all like comic books that were true to the source
03:35material um
03:37and I think you know there are a lot of good filmmakers who like bring their own style
03:42to these you know beloved um um comics that I think it would be really great to work with them
03:49you know I'm not fully set on Nightwing you know I'm open to other things um did you always want
03:55to be in like did is superheroes no always something that's been like I absolutely not it's just it's
04:03when really good filmmaker it's it's filmmaker driven so when like a guy like James Gunn um
04:08or Matt Reeves you know comes to comics it I think that's what draws me um and and I heard
04:16James Gunn
04:16is doing the the Teen Titans I know there's yeah but yeah James Gunn he's in love with you true
04:23or
04:24false Hudson is more like Ilya in real life and Connor is more like Shane I think me and you
04:29are both like
04:30Rose and I'm like Svetlana I just said me and you are both like Rose but I'm just I'm just
04:37parting ways
04:37that's so Svetlana for you to say um I don't know I mean maybe I do feel like Ilya I
04:45don't know
04:46I think that um I I'm I'm too sensitive or outwardly sensitive or don't have a lot of shame around
04:52emotion to be Ilya I could be a little cocky like Ilya yeah but beyond that it's like I think
04:58Shane
04:59and Ilya sort of share us you know a soulfulness that's kind of buried under all these you know
05:05walls and kind of um uh masks but I think I think underneath that what we both relate with both
05:12of them is you know the the heart and and their soul after wrapping heated rivalry you two got
05:19matching tattoos that say sex sales and if true how did that happen um I did I have a reason
05:26for
05:26coming up to Vancouver I just want to come see yeah come hang out am I not good enough right
05:30come on
05:31yeah I just I don't know why for a second I was like I have something to do up there
05:34I have
05:35nothing to do in Vancouver I was there so yeah I just went up to see um I just came
05:42up to see you
05:42we knew we wanted to get matching tattoos I hadn't gotten a tattoo in forever um and we were just
05:47shuffling through ideas and yeah I think you came up with sex but like we were both pitching ideas
05:53and then like one person would like them the other person wouldn't and then when you said sex sales I
05:58was
05:58like oh we were sold that's the first idea you've had that's good I think it's honestly my most well
06:03done tattoo as well so that feels good the front of my shin pull in here zoom in
06:10true or false you ate a pound of beef of ground beef a day while filming heated rivalry
06:16true um Connor told me what his routine was and after I saw him in person
06:21um I asked him how he got to that size I thought he was taking illicit substances he wasn't
06:27he does it super clean sorry I mentioned illicit substances um but I have nothing to hide bring
06:34it on but he was so just like so I was like what are you eating freak uh I was
06:43like I'm eating
06:45and he just couldn't speak and he just kept doing that I was like I think that means ground beef
06:50um you're like that level of capability is what I need and then Connor was actually the person who put
06:55me onto fiber because if you need to eat the protein you want to get you know iliac cheeks
07:01um and chests you need so much fiber just so your stomach doesn't shut down and you go into cardiac
07:08arrest and you get carried out from your your little workout on a stretcher with some you know
07:13pumped up pecs and a shut down fucking you look good digestive system it's really unfortunate if it
07:19ends that way yeah yeah I actually um I'm gonna one-up this true or false I actually think that
07:25we ate more than a pound of beef yeah because a pound of beef only has I think 84 grams
07:29of protein
07:30and you need a solid 200 if you're going through size and shape so sometimes I can eat two pounds
07:37of ground beef a day plus like 10 eggs yeah and so many salads I was having so much salad
07:42because by the
07:43end I got like gained 10 pounds so like when I started shooting I was like and by the end
07:47I was
07:47like 10 pounds heavier and it was because of yeah you I mean you're very inspiring I'm glad that we
07:53had
07:53each other because it would have been really hard to be motivated if you know we were going back to
07:58our 12-hour days and then the gym and then like going back to a residence like alone it's really
08:02it's nice that I got to be like hi son let's go to gym and we would go from a
08:09fucking 11-hour day
08:10skating lesson and Connor would go let's do legs and I and I looked him he's a madman that's how
08:15he has a butt he'll finish a skating lesson that takes four hours and then go legs now and I
08:21was
08:21like what are you saying I okay I knew I had a responsibility to the people he's America's ass
08:29and I I take that very seriously romance readers are famously passionate about book adaptations did
08:37you feel any pressure being bringing a beloved story to life and how did you approach making the
08:41characters your own it's good I think to go into a project accepting that you know people might be
08:48disappointed especially with something like a book where everyone already has preconceived notions
08:52they've visioned they've envisioned these characters they've drawn these characters they've gotten tattoos of
08:57these characters like the love is already there so much that ultimately someone is going to be
09:03disappointed all you can do is is read the material as much as you possibly can yeah and um and
09:11respect
09:12it show the respect show the dedication and just hope that people you know connect with it and love it
09:18and see that enthusiasm I think we both had that level of whether you want to call it nihilism or
09:23not
09:23like people might just hate this people might hate your casting or they might hate my casting
09:28I'm not going to expect anything more and uh I'm just going to do the best I can but you
09:34have really
09:34no metric of if people are going to be warm to your your take I really think at the end
09:40of the day all you
09:40can do is be really intentional give it a hundred and fifty percent yeah just go for it you know
09:47yeah and
09:47luckily for us this worked out really frickin well
09:52so
09:55Hudson we have heard rumors about a very serious multi-step Korean skincare routine can you break it down for
10:01us
10:01it's not that lengthy yeah I always made fun of you for it too because I like honestly I'm just
10:06kind of jealous because you have really good skin
10:08um but I was like yeah your skin routine and then it's actually not that long it's not that long
10:13it's okay
10:14I'm going to tell you in the morning I use water to cleanse my face warm water and then I
10:20put on a glow
10:22toner but it's pretty dry it's not like I don't like when people have like dewy like if I see
10:27someone it looks
10:28like they just wore a face mask I'm like why are you out right now like go go wipe that
10:32off and then come
10:33talk to me because I won't right now um and then so my toner and then I'll put on um
10:38a serum and then
10:40sunscreen and then sometimes instead of a serum I put on a moisturizer and then my PM routine is an
10:47oil
10:47cleanser you know to get out these blackheads to get the the gunk out um and then I'll either use
10:53like
10:54a CeraVe normal ass cleanser or I'll use like a poor shrinking cleanser that's their new that's their new
11:00slogan CeraVe normal ass cleanser I think that is I yeah I also and then like a poor shrink or
11:09a poor
11:09shrinking cleanser if that's my goal and then the same thing toner serum and then either a retinol or
11:15salicylic acid and then I go to fucking sleep so I think everyone in the studio agrees that was a
11:22lot
11:22well I will also say I mean it makes sense you have flawless skin so and then when I take
11:29it off it
11:29just falls apart yeah he unhooks the he unhooks the clip back here in the back keeps it all up
11:36Connor
11:36yes story yes do you have a favorite spicy scene from heated rivalry and a favorite from ember and
11:42ice what makes those stand out for you my favorite spicy scene from ember and ice is actually a scene
11:48where Dane um is with two former lovers Cassandra and Elijah yep I need you to I need you to
11:59be here
12:00with me okay um Dane has an interaction with uh two of his former lovers um after having been with
12:08Finn for
12:09some time and uh yeah not to spoil but he he ends up realizing that what what really works for
12:18him
12:18isn't working for him anymore and it's kind of this moment of identity loss and you know what what
12:24pleases me isn't pleasing me the same I think that's really cool because it's also it's because
12:29it's cool because it's like sexy and spicy but it also is really revealing of the character and the
12:34connection and where he's at you know and I think it's funny I think I remember Dane saying something
12:40about um he's like he's like and then the next thing I did was I just had to come up
12:44with uh an
12:45excuse and then he's like he's like my friends I have bad news I have a lot from ember and
12:51ice but
12:52one is the lake scene where we kind of go in together and you kind of coax it out of
12:57me without
12:58spoiling too much I think that one's just you know a lot of times like the intimacy before intimacy
13:04I think it has more of a charge in a way that one really got me um frothing at the
13:10mouth and heated
13:11rivalry favorite intimate scene there's one that was really fun to film do you remember filming the
13:17stair-step scene when we're like kissing against the glass and our lips never come apart me and you
13:23were like do people do this do people I know it's always a fun balance right of like when you're
13:29filming um separate from like the audio space when you're filming it's like how much of it is fun tv
13:37and then how much of it is like is like true sex because at the end of the day you
13:42know you do have
13:43in real life people do have those those like movie moments where you're like you know you're like yeah
13:48yeah yeah and then everyone on set was like oh yeah no we I've done that and then Connor and
13:52I
13:52were like oh oh we usually fold our clothes place them down then go upstairs naked and go sex now
14:00sex now I'm robot plug me in true or false Hudson's roommates once kept a mooning tally of how many
14:09times he flashed them do you know how many times I know that you I've yeah I remember this yep
14:16it's true
14:17it was one roommate um and I I mooned him 31 times what was his reaction when you moved
14:24him was he like Hudson her poor name was Chelsea I I've talked with her and Chelsea has been like
14:32you
14:32can say my name and I was like so I've since talked about this since double consent double consent um
14:38and
14:39uh poor Chelsea would just go I think her main reaction was like oh Hudson oh and it made me
14:48so happy
14:50where where is Chelsea now and I I developed different techniques over the years um she's
14:56chilling she's got a cat that's like hanging off her walls um but I would go and I would do
15:00like a
15:01drive-by I had all these different techniques and then she would bring like other you know um romantic
15:06interests home and then they're like what's this tally up on the board and they're like oh that's how
15:10many times Hudson my roommate has mooned me and they were like would you just like kind of butt crack
15:16it
15:17or would you fold so I had one where I would get pants low like I would de-pants and
15:22she would be
15:23unassuming like maybe on her phone on the couch and I would run by and jump in the air so
15:28I was like
15:29a like like a like a literal moon a literal moon but in fast motion sometimes I would just do
15:35the like
15:36oh drop something before we leave bend and I'm right there gotcha oh god
15:42yes no they they got very athletic but we need to clarify if you were gonna moon someone
15:48yeah a close friend Chelsea is still my close friend make it and make it known that this is okay
15:52yep she got a do not moon people you don't know in places it's not okay Hudson as an Asian
16:01actor
16:01leading such a hugely popular queer romance what kind of stories or roles are you excited for
16:06more people to see you in going forward mm-hmm yeah I I wanna I wanna represent my my wajins
16:14out there
16:15you know I've been declared do you know about this I'm declared the I think princess or prince of wajia
16:25me I mean I I sign off on it okay I think you he's the final stamp off guy for
16:30this so
16:31uh yeah I'm the I'm the ambassador of wajia as a fully as a completely Caucasian yes but as as
16:40this um little wajian I am I hope to just do roles that aren't always charged with you know I'm
16:50happy
16:50to do roles that are you know race has something to to play in there but also I just want
16:55to be an
16:55actor and a lot of the times I just want to play parts where it's like I'm I'm just there
17:01and we
17:01don't need to go in my backstory or whatever it's just you know I'm playing with any other uh non
17:09person of color would play as well you know you're a person you want to be treated I'm a person
17:14love it baby on both heated rivalry and ember and ice you worked with an intimacy coordinator
17:20um why do you think that role matters on projects like this was there anything about the process
17:24that you think would surprise people well I mean I think it's so um yeah that's a yeah that question
17:32is I mean it's so important I mean you you literally can't do things without that role um the thing
17:41that
17:41I think would shock people about the role of intimacy coordinating is it's not just about and this is what
17:48I learned from Shayla originally and then also Jamie doing this it's not just about the actual safety
17:54the boundaries monitoring what's going on what that looks like making sure everyone's okay there's also
18:00actually a conjunction of an artistic edge where you are like Jamie with this you know was also the
18:08voice that was reminding us this is how long it's been since this happened you know you need to I
18:13need
18:14to hear that shiver or that I need to hear those um I need to hear that feeling through your
18:20wings I
18:21need to see that come about I need to feel that pleasure in this way so it's not always technical
18:26even though that's what I feel like is brought up a lot there is also an artistic sensibility to that
18:31job and that really promotes that conversation absolutely bring in the first ginger ale this is so fun
18:40we have Canada dry we have Schweppes we have can you can someone give me a rundown of the brands
18:45nope you're going to try it and we're going to go I don't I've only named two from memory well
18:50how
18:50about this I'll hold it so we don't we don't give away anything yep that's my Hudson that's my Hudson
19:03that's not Canada dry this is some shitty American ginger ale this is like Schweppes or like
19:11um yeah that's my guess you said it's not Canada dry why is it not Canada dry yeah Canada dry
19:17has got
19:17more ginger in it and more bubble in it it's just subtle ginger yeah go ahead and should we deep
19:23blindfold
19:31where is this imported from this this is this is no no way it says from Frisco Texas nope I
19:41don't I
19:41don't this is it changed it changed bring in ginger ale number two that is so embarrassing thank you so
19:51much this one was that one was Canada dry what is this one you're my baby drink more okay this
20:06is
20:06cough syrup this is this is yellow snow what is this a pissy pineapple but that's the brand Hudson I
20:17have to guess the brand that by yeah this is Schweppes this one is Schweppes I am so happy that
20:31I'm not
20:32the one tasting these because if I was getting them wrong I'd feel like an idiot no I'm kidding
20:39it's stupid no you're not I mean they they really set you up give me another one you have more
20:46bring
20:47bring me bring in how many more bring in the last one bring it to me oh this one's a
20:54hard one thank you
20:59oh no
21:09that's um that's fever tree ginger um um beer
21:17Hudson oh but what what what there's a there's a secondary flavor
21:25do you want to smell test too you want to do like no it's just ginger no but do like
21:30an aromatics test
21:34go full som vibes do you smell that oh it's hard to it's hard to smell it's fucking ginger pear
21:43fucking it's ginger yeah I'm gonna be honest he would never be able to understand you can't taste
21:48that flavor at all what blood orange good job you can't taste that at all you put food coloring in
21:55you
21:56didn't put no blood orange in there I will say I kind of like this one though that one's that
22:00one's
22:00nice I like all of them but I guess the brand did I not you killed it when did you
22:05first realize you
22:06clicked and what are some of your favorite memories from working together hmm I would say our first
22:13FaceTime outside of a chemistry read because at that point I was always Shane he was always Ilya but then
22:18when we first met over FaceTime before we went to Toronto um we had so many like so much overlap
22:27of movies we liked actors we liked um art we liked and similar approaches to how we you know like
22:34to
22:34perform um that I immediately knew I think we clicked there and I think that's saying a lot because I
22:39think some of our our interests can be pretty niche the fact that there is overlap yeah amazing yeah
22:45and favorite memories I would say all our laughs on set being in Muskoka was really beautiful there
22:54was a lot of like lounging around um you know it was just great my favorite memories of working with
23:01you are also the laughs what's what's like an inside joke that we just died over the whole time um
23:08we had
23:09a storm the set that was also with oh yeah I would always be like storm the set if we
23:15couldn't afford
23:15extras our idea was we would just like do like a cattle call we used to joke that like we
23:22um because
23:23we would have like airport scenes and stuff where there would be like you know for an airport you need
23:27like you need a bunch of people and we'd have like five people and I just imagined um I imagined
23:32Jacob being like being like costumes get up there and everyone's like taking off their mics and he's
23:38like storm the set opening the garage and just like opening it up to the public how does it feel
23:45to
23:45accidentally launch a workout movement I can't I honestly still cannot believe that that was someone's
23:53takeaway from this you know I like I think I look a little too shabby I'm I'm in the process
23:59of gaining
23:59weight you know now yeah I was when you look you look freaking fantastic well bring it back to
24:13um yeah I people people like our bodies let's just be honest about it people you know I care about
24:20my health I care about my fitness as do you um honestly watching the show is making us work out
24:27even more yeah so what drew you to doing a fae romantic story and what was it about the script
24:32that hooked you for me it was exploring sensuality with with your voice you know that's the only tool
24:40you have and it kind of scared me a little bit and you know that there was a really fun
24:46way to explore
24:47yourself it was fun it was actually fun and you know it's very demanding and it's well written I think
24:52in the booth the term winged Hemingway came up you know fantastical Hemingway because there was like
25:02war there's like this romance that's forbidden and it seems doomed in a lot of ways and that was way
25:12heavier than I thought you know this would look like and it was really rewarding mm-hmm I the story
25:18just moves really well too um it was just written really well uh as someone who you know is not
25:26a
25:26big reader I think something like this would be really appealing to me um just the way it it cycles
25:32through the feelings it cycles through the years and point of views yeah yeah I just think it's really
25:37like almost physically well done why do you think mm romance resonates so strongly with women right now
25:45mm-hmm yeah we've we've we've both talked about this and kind of been intrigued by it um there's so
25:50many reasons there's so many reasons and then even just women you know there are straight women there
25:55are trans women there are um gay women like queer women it's it's um well that feels like a giant
26:02term to
26:03be like I know exactly what um you know there's like the element of you can live vicariously and you
26:09can feel safe mm-hmm um like with women this is just one opinion that I had never even considered
26:15or thought of um that I saw that I think you're alluding to which is if you are female um
26:21and you
26:22are you are taken out of the equation there's and you're you're there's a spectatorship to that
26:31there's like a there's a certain amount of separation that allows for safety you know like especially women
26:38um historically being put into a box in a certain way especially when it comes to sex and pleasure
26:43right it feels like a nice separation to see sexuality and romance be lived out without um right
26:50female dynamic being yeah I I heard I heard someone online say a woman say that like when you see
26:56like
26:56a hetero um couple you know you default to like relating with or forced to sort of relate with a
27:04woman
27:04character um and then that comes with a lot of restriction and two and like imagination a lot of
27:09writers you know are writing very conventionally um which means a lot of outdated tropes um old
27:15archetypes and I think you know with getting to watch two men it's like they can kind of relate with
27:21this
27:21person in one moment they're empathetic to this person they're not forced into a box of here this
27:25is your person to relate with at the end of the day though we're both men I have no idea
27:31what it's like
27:31to be a woman um yeah and so y'all let us know yeah y'all tell us I think
27:38me because I would just be
27:40I'd be drinking I'd be somewhere I'd be like under a table yeah asleep naked but I will say
27:49you're really freaking athletic and you're really strong and you know how to fight so if it came down
27:55to like a wrestling match between you and leather face Freddy Krueger I think you're taking the cake
28:00my boy I'm winning okay snack time me 100 percent yeah you have a little you have a tiny bit
28:12more
28:12reverence than I do um if something is overly serious I cannot help but laugh
28:18because I just become really like oh I become really aware of how do you do that kind of
28:25it's not that you left and now now I'm gonna leave
28:29Connor will do the like the like it's like so serious he kind of gets a little take and then
28:34and I can't do his laugh do I do that do I do and then he goes do I do
28:38a poly pocket hand
28:41you know what I accept myself this is what we're rocking this we're rocking it I accept myself
28:48me oh oh yeah I'm I'm dirty you're like you're pretty clean I'd eat anything off the ground no
28:57not me online more than I yeah well I just love YouTube I love the little like
29:03video essay on this movie essay on this little actor have you learned this about Genghis Khan and
29:09I'm like wow there's so much to know nerd are these book talk trivia things heaven eats ass I don't
29:18know
29:18yeah heaven eats ass is that it really what is it
29:31what the rake and the cake well you break up some some people together and then you ass yeah are
29:40these all going to be ass related they are for me oh right right oh I like I like that
29:51I like those
29:52I like those ones yeah I like the grump why teams why is this a love triangle thing mmm ooh
29:59threesome
30:02foot in both jars of peanut butter if you know what I mean don't make me nervous on twitter we're
30:06gonna react to some tweets you don't scare me connor's story you need to stop your face too smiley
30:12your ass too fat your line delivery too good they'll kill you you really I mean you and delivery too
30:19good
30:19yeah you I I'm I'm cool with that I feel good um I I whenever we read tweets I don't
30:25know if I'm
30:26supposed to like thank you or if I'm supposed to like yeah genuinely be like whoa I guess all of
30:33it
30:33kind of Hudson Williams's back dimples that's it that's the tweet oh I didn't realize I had these
30:41little back dimples but then I I saw the receipts and I saw my dimpled cheek back thing and uh
30:50we were
30:50all singing it yeah I was I was seeing it damn for real I love whatever is wrong with y
30:56'all
30:59my Cynthia and Ariana
31:13the yearning is is the thing I think that's that's probably the sexiest part for people honestly you
31:19want to know how we got these bodies you're enough your ass gets fat despite all the memes I have
31:25enjoyed people seeing that physical intimacy isn't just spice on top of the romance but a vehicle
31:30to explore relationship dynamics and character and also physical and emotional intimacy are different
31:36but connected things Jacob talks about this and that was one of the first things I think he brought
31:42to us um to try and explain his vision which was you know when you read the scripts when you
31:48read the
31:48pages it can sound very sex heavy but to know that the sex really is just the foundation of
31:55their relationship and how they connect um yeah I think that is I think that I think that's kind of
32:00you know for the first years of their life that's how they communicate that's where their relationship
32:05builds and you know that's not usually how sex is used in media yep meteor I need Hudson
32:13Williams to know that so many people imagine draw right and read about him getting pregnant
32:19including me is that crazy oh he knows and even comments on yeah Mara he derived updates
32:25pointing this out to me I know when I learned that about it's crazy I was like whatever floats your
32:30boat you know um yeah I mean I I think that's like I think that's in the deep fanfic side
32:36yeah I don't
32:37understand it but I'm like you know what you freaks you gung-ho you go get it you know if
32:43you can go
32:44get fictional me pregnant fictional me knock him up this is another one about my butt again y'all
32:53aren't ready for this one Connor's story deserves a-o-t-y what's a-o-t-y mean Connor's story
33:00ass of the I don't like this tweet it should be ass century hey whoa
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