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00:00Charlie, the royals have sort of been laying a little bit low now that we have a little more information
00:05on everything going on, the dark side of their family struggles.
00:09But we have been seeing them still carrying business on as usual.
00:13And I feel like we're still going to keep seeing them as the spring approaches.
00:18Spring is a very busy time historically for the royal family.
00:21I do think it's important to keep in mind that perhaps the less prominent members of the royal family are
00:30still going about their daily business and is still crushing it.
00:35If you go and look on the royal diary at all of the upcoming engagements, 80 percent of them are
00:42Princess Anne.
00:43She is just going about cutting ribbons, meeting with people, doing what she needs to do.
00:49And she's doing it all very much under the radar.
00:52Right. That being said, William and Kate are still doing their bit to kind of put across a positive image
01:00of the royal family, even while everything is going on with former Prince Andrew.
01:05They posted a really charming video on Instagram recently to mark St. David's Day, which, for those of you not
01:13in the know, is a celebration of Welsh history, Welsh heritage.
01:18They are now, of course, the prince and princess of Wales.
01:21Ah, yes.
01:22So St. David's Day is a very big deal for them.
01:24They also gave a little bit of a treat in the form of a Welsh-spoken video.
01:30It is the first time that the two of them have publicly spoken Welsh together.
01:36I don't know whether maybe they're using Welsh at home, you know, instead of dinner.
01:40Yeah.
01:40Instead of English, they're inviting their kids to dinner, being like, I can't speak Welsh.
01:45I'm not even going to try.
01:45I don't want to offend any Welsh people out there, including my sister-in-law.
01:50On the surface, it's very much keep calm and carry on.
01:55Right.
01:55That very royal British mentality.
01:57Behind the scenes, however, the royal family has a lot to work through.
02:04They are in a time of absolute crisis.
02:08They are.
02:08Questions are being raised about whether or not Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor should be officially removed from the line of succession,
02:15which is officially the kind of last, I don't even want to call it a tie.
02:20It's basically the kind of thinnest of threads that still links him to the royal family as an institution.
02:28Oh, OK.
02:29I didn't realize that.
02:30So he is still in the line of royal succession, even though he lost all of his titles.
02:35He's effectively been stripped of everything related to the royal side of things.
02:40Yeah, I mean, the line of succession is a very difficult thing to kind of explain.
02:47And it's ironic because you and I have spoken before.
02:50You know, I said previously, and I was wrong, it would be very difficult for them to remove his prince
02:56title because a prince title is something that you are born with.
03:00It's not something that is kind of bestowed upon you.
03:03Right.
03:04The line of succession is even more so.
03:07It's not a title.
03:08It doesn't really afford you in and of itself any privileges, any rights, anything like that.
03:15And not for nothing, he's pretty low on that list now as William will take over and then it'll be
03:21his kids and then Harry and his kids.
03:24So the line is going further and further down.
03:27This is really going to test my knowledge, but you now have, and the law was changed when Princess Charlotte
03:33was born.
03:35The law was changed that meant that a female could be added to the line of succession.
03:40About time, royal family, that's all I'm saying.
03:42Charlotte was not born that long ago.
03:44No, she was not.
03:45So it now goes, William, George, Charlotte, Louis, Harry, Archie.
03:52Is Lilibet in it?
03:53Lilibet, yes, she would need to be.
03:55So Harry, Archie, Lilibet, Andrew.
03:58Andrew is eighth, I think.
04:00Roughly, yes.
04:01So I think Andrew is eighth.
04:03It's been a while since I've brushed up on that official order.
04:06Right.
04:06But I'm 99% sure that that is it.
04:09So I don't think anyone is concerned that we will reach a stage where people are having to call upon
04:16Andrew to take over as king.
04:17Let's hope not.
04:18In general, because that's bad for everyone.
04:20There are limitations in place that try and prevent such a disaster from happening.
04:25The royals aren't all allowed to fly on the same plane together, etc., etc.
04:29However, it is more that keeping him in the line of succession, again, still maintains, no matter how thin it
04:39is, still maintains a link between him and the institution of the royal family.
04:44Right, which makes sense.
04:45In order to even try and move past this disastrous scandal, Charles needs to whip out his sewing scissors and
04:54just cut that final tie.
04:56But here's the thing that I think is an issue that perhaps hasn't been broached yet.
05:04We've talked a lot about Andrew's daughters, Beatrice and Eugenie.
05:08Right.
05:09They were kind of sidelined as senior working royals when Charles became king.
05:16Charles had always talked about wanting a slimmed down monarchy.
05:19He wanted to spend less money.
05:20And they were among many people that were sort of shortlisted to not be as involved as they used to
05:27be.
05:27So it didn't seem to us at the time that it was related to their father.
05:33No, it didn't seem like a snub to them.
05:35But the problem is, right now, Charles still has a good number of people who can be official representatives of
05:44the royal family.
05:45Obviously, I've talked at great length about Anne.
05:48She's amazing.
05:49Which, by the way, the only knowledge I really truly have of Anne is just that I am a fan
05:53of The Crown.
05:54And obviously, that's not 100% accurate.
05:57I'd love to think it is, though, because Anne in The Crown is amazing, hilarious.
06:02I want to be her friend.
06:03She's sassy.
06:04I'm like, behind closed doors, I could kind of see the real Princess Anne being that way.
06:09I mean, she definitely has a sense of humor.
06:11She's great.
06:12But she's just, she's someone who just gets on and does things.
06:16No fuss, no must.
06:17Like, let's just crack on.
06:18Um, so Anne is, you know, quite frankly, bossing that royal diary.
06:23She's filling up all the pages.
06:25Um, and then, you know, Charles does have another brother.
06:28Right.
06:29Who, oft forgotten, but he does have another brother, Edward.
06:33So, great.
06:34Edward's wife, Sophie, also wonderful.
06:36And we did see more of Sophie when the Queen was in her later years.
06:40She really seemed to rely heavily on Sophie.
06:44Absolutely.
06:44Especially when Harry and Meghan chose to step away.
06:48So, I agree.
06:49I think we could see more of them, too.
06:51100%.
06:51And then, of course, Charles has William and Kate, who, you know, here's the problem.
06:57The jewel in the crown, if you will.
06:59Yeah.
07:00Here is the problem.
07:01When William and Kate ascend to the throne, either that will be because Charles has reached
07:08an age where he no longer feels capable to be the monarch and he steps down and passes
07:15the throne to William, or it will be because Charles passes away.
07:19Now, Edward and Sophie are younger than Charles, but again, not the most youthful people in
07:27the royal family.
07:28Yeah.
07:28We are now at risk of William and Kate being left to manage everything themselves.
07:35There is no other member of their generation, really, other than Harry and Meghan, who I don't
07:44think William would ever bring back.
07:47I think William would be happier doing 25 events a day than asking them for help.
07:51Yeah.
07:52And then we have Beatrice and Eugenie.
07:54The issue is, Beatrice and Eugenie have done nothing wrong.
07:59I will say that 10 times over.
08:01It is not their fault who they were born to.
08:06Right.
08:06And I also can't imagine that their father was making them privy as children to the things
08:12that he had going on.
08:14That may or may not have been going on.
08:16Oh, right.
08:16Yes.
08:16Sorry.
08:16Yes.
08:17He has denied any wrongdoing.
08:19Right.
08:19Just, you know, small print.
08:21Any time in the foreseeable future that Beatrice and Eugenie make any kind of appearance,
08:28it will be linked to their father.
08:31Definitely.
08:32We don't know what is going to happen to Andrew.
08:35We don't know whether he will end up in prison.
08:37We don't know whether he will just continue to live life as a social pariah.
08:42It's very unclear.
08:44Yeah.
08:44But no matter what, it is incredibly certain that Beatrice and Eugenie, unfortunately,
08:50are never going to be able to step out of that shadow.
08:54Right.
08:54At least not for many, many years to come.
08:56And we're kind of seeing that now already.
08:58There have been a number of reports saying that with the Royal Ascot coming up, which
09:03they would usually be spotted at, that it is being reported that they might not be allowed
09:09there or they might not be showing up for other reasons, like you said, to not kind of
09:13make it a spectacle or to be seen because they're in that shadow.
09:16And we saw the same thing with Kate's carol concert in December.
09:20It was not a coincidence that Eugenie and Beatrice were not there.
09:25Again, whether or not it is a decision that the girls are making for themselves or a decision
09:32that royal advisors are kind of stepping in to help them make.
09:36Yeah.
09:36I don't know that that really matters because at the end of the day,
09:41you know, when you're looking at the future of the royal family, the future is really bleak.
09:47And William and Kate have said time and time again that they want their children to have
09:52as normal a life as possible.
09:55Right.
09:55Within reason.
09:56You know, there are always going to be certain things that George, Charlotte and Louis have
10:00to do that the average child does not.
10:03Yeah.
10:03But I don't think that William and Kate would ever put that pressure on their kids unnecessarily.
10:09So either the royal family is going to undergo a dramatic transformation, unlike anything
10:18we've really ever seen in its history, or William is going to have to figure out a way
10:25to incorporate Beatrice and Eugenie without the stigma of their father's scandal hanging
10:35over them.
10:36I don't know.
10:37I mean, I half kind of think if it was me, I'd just be like, right, girls, the more we
10:42get you out there, the more people see your faces, the sooner they'll get over it.
10:46Yeah, that's fair.
10:47Yeah.
10:47And it's like they're leading their own lives.
10:49They're both married.
10:50They have their own children.
10:52They're not necessarily part of the same family unit that they were when we saw them as children
10:57with their mom and dad.
10:58Right.
10:58They have their own family units now.
11:00So maybe it is a step that they take to form their own family molds and show that to the
11:06public more so and get out after these events.
11:09Do you think there is a world where...
11:13I don't like what I'm saying.
11:15I don't like your face.
11:15The way you're looking at me, it makes me think you're going to ask a really weird question.
11:19It is really weird.
11:21Hypothetical.
11:22Let's say Prince Archie decides to do the same thing mom and dad did.
11:28But in the reverse, what if when he gets old enough, he's like, mom and dad, I actually
11:34prefer England.
11:35I want to move there.
11:36I want to live there.
11:37I want to be back in the fold.
11:41I feel like I agree with you that William probably will never have Harry and Meghan be involved
11:46in the same capacity that they were or in a strong capacity at all.
11:50But could you see a world where Archie, if he chooses to step back into it, that William
11:57might open the door for him and say, hey, listen, it wasn't your choice to step away.
12:01You could learn all of these things.
12:03Be an advocate for George once he becomes the king and kind of come back into the fold.
12:11I mean, that would obviously be decades from now.
12:13But yeah, I mean, I think that William is not an unreasonable person.
12:21And I think that he would give Archie an opportunity to learn about the history of the royal family,
12:32to learn what it means to be a member of the royal family.
12:37I almost think that, you know, I can imagine him, for example, saying to Archie, OK, every
12:44summer, if you want to come and spend three weeks with Kate and I, you can do that.
12:50Yeah.
12:50I don't think that William would ever.
12:55Without Harry's express permission, I don't think that William would ever say to Archie,
13:00sure, come on over, come be a royal again.
13:03You know, for all that has happened between William and Harry, I do not believe William
13:10to be a spiteful person.
13:13Yeah.
13:13And I also think that he is someone who very much prioritizes his moral compass, especially
13:21when it comes to kind of his public facing image.
13:25So I don't think that he would ever be like, oh, win, got another team member, come on over
13:30to the royal squad.
13:32But I do think that he would welcome the opportunity to give Archie and Lilibet, you know, if she
13:40wanted to as well, to give them a chance to experience what it is like to be in the royal
13:48fold.
13:48Right.
13:49And truthfully, I think that's one of the saddest things about Harry and Meghan kind of leaving
13:56is not that we don't get to see them at royal events and not that William and Kate don't
14:02have an army of people to help them out now.
14:04I think the saddest thing is that it has ripped a family apart.
14:08Right.
14:08And, you know, I know I would be absolutely heartbroken if I never got to meet or spend
14:16time with my nephews, too, because the physical move from the UK to the US, speaking as someone
14:24who's done it, that should never be a barrier to spending time with your family.
14:29I pop back to the UK more times than I care to even think about.
14:33You know, you can make it happen if you want to.
14:36Yeah, exactly.
14:37And, you know, there's FaceTime and there's anything and everything you can do, you should
14:43do. And I think that, you know, it's almost as though William and Harry are using the kind
14:50of convenience of their physical distance to just be like, oh, well, nothing we can do.
14:56And I don't think that's the case.
14:57So I do think that William would like the opportunity to rebuild family ties, but I don't
15:03think he's ever going to do so in an underhanded way.
15:06I think that he would.
15:08And maybe that's it.
15:09Maybe that's what brings the brothers back together.
15:11Maybe Archie, no pressure, Archie, the kid's like six years old.
15:15This is, again, way, way, way in the future.
15:17He's going to be brokering family peace.
15:19And, you know, he's probably only just learning to read.
15:21I'm putting a lot of pressure on this, not even kindergarten.
15:24I'm like, maybe he could fix the family now.
15:26But, you know, when all is said and done, I think the next few months, yes, but also the
15:33next few years are going to be hugely transformational for the royal family.
15:39And I really do think it is going to be interesting to see what they decide to do about the
15:48Beatrice
15:48and Eugenie issue.
15:50Don't want to say that they are issues, but you know what I mean.
15:52Right.
15:52Yeah.
15:53It's just going to be interesting to see how the family navigates the next few months,
15:56especially because we are heading into a season where we typically see them a lot.
16:00So we will see Kate on St. Patrick's Day, most likely, as we usually do.
16:05Maybe even William.
16:06We're going to see some members of the royal family at the Royal Ascot, which is also coming
16:11up.
16:12And way down the line in June, we'll have Trooping the Color.
16:15Trooping the Color.
16:16That's my favorite.
16:17Me too.
16:18Yeah.
16:18Because, I mean, I love the fashion, which I know it's supposed to be the king's birthday
16:21celebration.
16:23Sorry, King Charles, but I'm just there for the fashion.
16:26But we have multiple events coming out up throughout the spring.
16:30They usually attend an Easter mass, depending on who's around.
16:33It's not as big as their Christmas one, but we'll likely see some people at that.
16:38So it'll be interesting for us to watch and see how they navigate the next few months,
16:42because the winter was a little bit slower for them.
16:45Then this whole thing happened.
16:46And now they have to kind of still be keeping calm and carrying on yet with this hanging over
16:53their head.
16:54So we'll keep an eye on it, of course, but we'll be interested to see.
16:57Oh my goodness.
16:58Spring is going to be a wild time.
17:01And obviously, it gives us plenty to talk about, which I'm never going to complain about.
17:05Right, right.
17:06And more fashion.
17:07So more fashion.
17:08Yeah.
17:08OK, I get it.
17:09You're interested in the fashion.
17:11I'm over here being like, scandal, scandal.
17:13Ashley's like, dress this, dress this.
17:16Either way, plenty to talk about.
17:18And we'll be here to discuss anytime anything happens.
17:23As ever.
17:23As ever.
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