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00:03My light, I have never forgotten you, and I do not have any excuse for the separation that has existed,
00:15since the circumstances of your life became what they are.
00:23You're still the only man to treat me the way you did. You made me feel like a little girl
00:31again.
00:34So Grant, you told me Sylvia just recently wrote you a letter?
00:39Right.
00:40I'm surprised. Did Sylvia really reach out to you?
00:46You know, yes, Sylvia did reach out to me.
00:52Do you think she's happy?
00:54Yeah, I think Sylvia's happy with how her life is.
00:58You will always be my light and my superhero.
01:04Grant, you miss her.
01:06Yeah, I really do.
01:14My life was easy.
01:17He was obsessed with her.
01:19It's a heinous crime.
01:21I didn't do any of this.
01:29Grant.
01:30Hey, Colin.
01:31Well, tomorrow is the verdict.
01:34It's quite a journey you've been on.
01:35I gotta ask, how are you feeling?
01:38You know, that's a good question.
01:54Grant, have you confronted the scenario of a guilty conviction?
02:00No, no.
02:02You know, I'm just trying to say as optimistic as possible.
02:06You know, the jury's seeing that the state's not providing anything substantial or anything concrete.
02:14Yeah.
02:15All right, well, I hope you get some sleep.
02:18All right.
02:18Bye.
02:19Bye.
02:29Jurors are hearing closing arguments and they will soon have to recommend if Grant Amato will face the death penalty
02:36or die in prison.
02:37They've been deliberating for much of the afternoon on into the evening.
02:40And a judge says that they will allow them to continue to deliberate for as long as they need to.
02:52I was expecting the jury to deliberate a little bit longer than they had.
02:56They broke one afternoon and then that evening they came back with a verdict.
03:03I'm told that the jury has reached a verdict.
03:06Could you please hand it to the deputy?
03:09You know, the courtroom was very emotional in the moments before the verdict was read.
03:13On one side you had surviving members of the Amatos and it really seemed like they didn't know what could
03:21happen.
03:22The prosecution provided a decently compelling case, but Grant's defense did a very excellent job at defending their client.
03:32So at that moment it was sort of a mystery of what would be read in that courtroom.
03:36It's a heinous crime, but my number one focus is always to make sure that I save my client's life.
03:53Mr. Amato, if you could please stand.
04:03We the jury unanimously find that the state has established beyond a reasonable doubt that the first degree murder was
04:10committed in a cold, calculated and premeditated manner.
04:15Yes.
04:17We the jury unanimously find that Grant Amato should be sentenced to death.
04:21No.
04:24Based upon this case, 2019 CF 337 CFA, the state of Florida versus Grant Amato.
04:30You've been found guilty for killing your mother, your father and your brother.
04:36I would sentence you to life imprisonment without any possibility of parole.
04:41And otherwise, sir, just God have mercy on your soul.
04:45Nothing further at this point.
04:51I didn't really see any emotion on Grant's face when that verdict was read.
04:56From his family, it seemed like there was a sigh of relief.
05:00Did you ever entertain the possibility that Grant was innocent?
05:04Completely innocent?
05:06Not seriously.
05:08If not Grant, who?
05:11I'm at peace with it.
05:13You know, we did our best.
05:14We saved his life.
05:16In my heart, I didn't believe he was going to get away with this.
05:18We had enough circumstantial evidence placing him at the crime scene.
05:23His digital footprint.
05:25His motive.
05:27It wasn't, like, devastating when they came back guilty.
05:30But I will say, there are so many aspects of the case that are unexplainable.
05:35The blow-by-blow of what occurred.
05:37That picture has still never been painted for me.
05:40And I don't know that it's knowable.
05:42And it's fascinating that it's not knowable.
05:45Grant.
05:46Hello, Colin.
05:48How are you, man? What's going on?
05:50I'm doing good.
05:51I mean, just kind of, I guess, decompressing after the long three weeks that that all was.
05:57Your composure is very impressive.
06:00How are you not shattered by this conviction?
06:04I don't think that I've really wrapped my entire head around it.
06:07But I still have hope for my appeals to go through, even if I have to spend a little bit
06:14more time, you know, in prison.
06:22Hello, True Kramers.
06:24Hi, guys. How are you today?
06:25My name is Bailey Sarian, and today is Murder, Mystery, and Makeup Monday.
06:30You're not going to believe this shit.
06:32Okay, this one looks good.
06:3329-year-old Grant Amato had lost his job, gotten kicked out of school, and was living at home with
06:38his parents.
06:39This is precisely how every bad story starts, okay?
06:43He was spending all of his time on a live streaming porn site called Camgirls, communicating with a Bulgarian woman
06:49who he would claim was his girlfriend.
06:51You idiot!
06:51I think he thought he loved her, so it turns into sort of a twisted Shakespeare play.
06:57In Grant's mind, Sylvia is still his wife.
06:59Are you fucking kidding me, dude?
07:01This is like what happens if Twitch streamers go wrong.
07:04On January 25th, 2019, police discovered the bodies of Chad, Margaret, and Cody Amato.
07:10Each of them were shot execution style inside their home.
07:13What the fuck, dude?
07:17It's really prevalent on YouTube where there's these people that just go over all the aspects of the case, and
07:23they try and get into the psychology of it all, and they're trying to dissect it all the way down.
07:28Sound pretty popular, Grant.
07:29Yeah, that's me.
07:32A couple of people said that their girls saw me on TV and that I'm famous.
07:38I really do hope you get help. Seems like you have serious issues.
07:42Grant, you need to get out of your fantasy world.
07:44I've had hundreds and hundreds of women who have reached out to me.
07:48Almost all of them will say this one line.
07:50One of their major interests or hobbies is true crime and psychology.
07:55I don't know, they want some sort of gratifying experience that they're getting to know my psyche.
08:01But when they do start to talk to me, and I'm not the psychopath, serial killer that they've seen a
08:09lot of documentaries on, they kind of leave me in the past.
08:14And that kind of hurts me a little bit.
08:17Especially in this world of prison where you're extremely deprived of everything beautiful.
08:23You have one minute remaining.
08:25But in the same breath, I've had one person since being in prison.
08:32I've had one singular person who has truly reignited my heart, gave me hope, made me see that my life
08:39isn't over.
08:43Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the greatest show on Earth!
08:49Hi, my precious little kitty.
08:51I just wanted to let you know that I'm thinking about you, and that I miss you very much.
08:55And everything about you just makes me so happy.
08:58And I just love you with all my heart, baby.
09:00And I'll protect you always, and I'll love you if I've ever.
09:03So just know that I'm always thinking of you, and that I always desire you with everything that I am.
09:08I love you.
09:11How long were you in Grant Clubs?
09:19Hello, True Crimers.
09:22This is the case of Grant Amato.
09:26Grant Amato was one of three sons of Chad and Margaret Amato.
09:30Everything was in its place, straight and tucked in.
09:34I first learned about Grant from watching a lot of True Crime YouTube videos.
09:39Grant Amato loved anime.
09:42He had this crazy anime collection, and he just had all these boxes.
09:47Yeah, when I saw his room, I kind of felt like, oh yeah, he likes similar stuff to me.
09:51I knew he went to Japan, and he was into a lot of weeb stuff.
09:54According to Grant, he spent most of his time in his room playing video games.
09:59Since Grant didn't have a job at the time, his parents paid for all of his expenses.
10:03This lifestyle is actually how I felt I related to Grant the most, because my parents pretty much spoiled me
10:10too.
10:11Except, I guess I turned out a little bit better, but yeah.
10:14I first got in touch by writing him physical letters, like, wrote a lot, a lot.
10:21And we talked, like, almost every day, multiple times.
10:24Hi, sweetie. How are you doing?
10:26I just wanted to say hi, and then I'm thinking of you.
10:29And I can't wait to see you and talk to you tonight, because you're my precious little kitty.
10:33And I love you. Mwah.
10:35I don't think he's a horrible person, or not like a demon.
10:39I mean, sure, he did something really, really bad, but I wouldn't say he's the worst person in the world,
10:45you know?
10:46Do you think that Grant fell in love with you?
10:48Probably. But I think that everybody usually does, so I'm not surprised.
10:55Wait, like, most men that you mean fall in love with you?
10:58Yeah, like, my online persona, yes.
11:01Like, in real life, I kind of feel like I don't want people to look at me.
11:06I kind of want to blend in. I don't want to draw attention.
11:08But online, I'm okay with being the center of attention.
11:11Would you get, like, affirmation and validation, self-esteem from being online?
11:16No, I don't know if I get validation, but I get money now, so that's good.
11:20So that's validation.
11:21And how are you getting the money?
11:23Oh, just, like, promoting my image and stuff.
11:28And then this one is probably one of the sexiest ones I've ever seen,
11:33because I love you in stockings and I got to see your legs and so much, so much more.
11:39You're just so adorable, baby. You're the best one out of all of them.
11:42But it's such a freaking landslide. I just, I love you so much.
11:46I really do. You're so, you're so gorgeous and nerdy and your own person.
11:50And that's what makes you so special.
11:52So people telling me I'm pretty doesn't really do anything.
11:55But if people telling me pretty and gives me money, yes, that will do something, you know?
12:00This is just amazing that I get to see you like this, those beautiful little nipples that I just want
12:05to suck and bite on.
12:07I can't wait, baby. I can't wait to feel you.
12:10I think he sent me like, I don't know, maybe a thousand.
12:13I'm not sure if it's for anything specific, maybe, because I just need it.
12:18I just want you to know that I'm always thinking of you and I appreciate all the pictures and videos
12:22and everything.
12:23And that's why, it's why is my itch queen. I love you, sweet.
12:32Wow.
12:36Hey.
12:37Hello.
12:39How are you feeling?
12:41Yeah, I'm doing okay.
12:44Yesterday me and had kind of a heated conversation because she told me that her parents, I don't know, they
12:53don't approve of the relationship that she has with me.
12:55And, you know, I just analyzed it and I was like, wow, this is shockingly similar to my relationship with
13:04Sylvia, where everybody else is perceived as this unnatural thing.
13:10He thought he was in love with her.
13:11Obsession. So obsessed.
13:13Sylvie doesn't love you. It's a full on addiction.
13:16It's just very difficult to try and explain when in your mind you're just like, obviously, you know, they're not
13:22going to believe it or they're going to be close-minded.
13:24It just closes you off. I mean, it makes you angry.
13:28Great.
13:29Wake up.
13:31It's virtual. She's not real. She doesn't love you. You're paying for it. Wake up.
13:37No amount of people saying to me that this is what the reality of the situation was, I was never
13:44going to come to terms with.
13:46I believe that my relationship with her was a certain way.
13:50You know, Grant, you know, there's so much that is hard to make sense of in this story, but it
13:56does seem like Sylvie was the one person that you felt comfortable opening up to.
14:01What do you think we're missing by not having her voice?
14:04Without her involvement, nothing can really get cleared up.
14:17My light.
14:20This might seem out of the blue, but I do not have any excuse for the separation that has existed
14:29since the circumstances of your life became what they are.
14:35You're still the only man to treat me the way you did.
14:42You made me feel like little girl again.
14:50You will always be my light and my superhero.
14:57Grant, I have to ask you. I've asked you this before. I'm going to ask you again.
15:02Is that letter that Sylvie sent you real?
15:07Yeah, that letter that she sent me is real.
15:11This is after everything had been revealed, after you'd been accused of murdering your family, that you had stolen all
15:17this money.
15:18Did Sylvie really reach out to you after all that?
15:26You know, not to not directly answer your question, but I feel like...
15:33Oh my God, I'm so sorry.
15:37I mean, I really wish that Sylvie would be more open to contributing to this project.
15:42Just talking to you, even if it was, like, off the record.
15:48You know, as you know, we're planning to go try to find Sylvie, speak to her, to get her end
15:54of this story.
15:58Hopefully we can find her, convince her to sit down and talk with us.
16:12We can find her.
16:32Hey Dora, where are we right now?
16:34So, this is the Druzba neighborhood. It's on the outskirts of Sofia.
16:38These blocks around here are quite typical for the older neighborhoods of Sofia.
16:44They were built, like, 50, 60 years ago, let's say, and they all look the same.
16:50And as far as I understand, we sort of had an incomplete address for Sylvia.
16:54Is this right? So, we have a building, but not an apartment number, is that right?
16:59That's right. So, there's no way to tell exactly which apartment she lives in.
17:06I mean, this is what's so curious to me, is seeing, you know, just how radically different this environment is
17:10from this, like, lush, green suburbia of Florida where Grant lived.
17:15These people lived in such, like, different universes and yet they're joined together by this hamming relationship
17:21and now this terrible crime.
17:23I wonder if they really had any conception of what each other's lives were like.
17:26I would say it's probably kind of CUV's day-to-day life looked quite different from what you're describing over
17:36there in Florida.
17:40I keep scanning everyone's face, waiting to see her walking down the street.
17:57Okay, so we have a building, we have a block, but not an address and certainly not a Sylvie.
18:01So, where does this live us?
18:04So, I've had a few clues to look through.
18:07So, basically what I realised is that it's almost like there is two different people that I've been looking for.
18:16So, we have this first person, Adi Sweet.
18:21And then there is the other person that is a lot more private.
18:26And that's Sylvia.
18:28Online there is not that much about her.
18:31I couldn't find a social media profile.
18:34There is nothing that's related to the real world, if you see what I mean.
18:39Right.
18:39But, because Sylvia sent posts and postcards and she sent small presents to Grant.
18:47There is this, the strangest thing that she sent that I was looking at.
18:53Yeah, what is this?
18:54I remember seeing this.
18:56So, this looks like a blood test that you would go and do in a lab.
19:01All sorts of like glucose.
19:03I mean, we have to assume this is hers, so I don't know why else she would say.
19:06Yeah.
19:08You know, Grant, Grant is a nurse.
19:10He was almost a certified nurse anesthetist.
19:13He would have known exactly how to read this.
19:14He would have known exactly what all of this meant.
19:16So, she must have been sharing her blood test with him to see what he thought, to see if...
19:22Okay, yeah, maybe she just send it to consult with him about something.
19:27I mean, I don't know.
19:28In a way, it's something that you would send to someone you kind of really trust, which is...
19:32Someone you really trust?
19:34But then there was one other thing I saw in the folder.
19:39There is a Viber account with a number.
19:42What is Viber?
19:43It's a messaging app and a free calls app.
19:46It's like WhatsApp and Messenger.
19:49I tried calling.
19:52I also sent a message, but I haven't got a response.
19:55But I can keep trying.
19:57I mean, this is a four-year-old number at this point, I'm sure.
19:59After the crime, she disconnected it.
20:02Yeah, we'll see.
20:02Maybe we'll keep trying or something?
20:05Yeah, yeah, exactly.
20:05Who knows?
20:07So the investigation continues.
20:09We're not done yet.
20:10Yeah.
20:10That just happened there.
20:12Okay.
20:37I know, there was a very, very strange thing behind the scenes.
20:40I visitedוח.com and I spent the team there with help.
20:45Grant, I heard the news about your appeal.
20:48Yeah, it was flat outside, 100%.
20:52They just said, yeah, no, pass.
20:55That must be tough for you.
20:57You know, it sucks because, you know, you come to a point in your life where you've been beat down
21:03or you've lost so much over and over and over again.
21:07And it's so hurtful.
21:09So that's pretty much what my life has boiled down to is nothingness.
21:15And I don't want to keep wearing masks anymore or keep up anything false.
21:24So that's just kind of the realization that I've come to.
21:28Well, Grant, you're being, you know, both profound and ominous right now.
21:35Is there anything you want to say to me before this call ends?
21:38It's going to be very soon.
21:40No, just, you know, obviously I always appreciate your assistance and the professionalism and respect and everything.
21:48You have one minute remaining.
21:53So basically, this whole entire time I've been protecting my innocence for the sake of, like, my future with the
21:59appeals process and everything like that.
22:00But, you know, I feel like it's important to you and just for other people in general that I actually
22:09tell the truth.
22:13And the truth is that I did commit those crimes and I did do those murders.
22:17And that is obviously currently what I'm in prison for right now.
22:29Did Grant ever tell you if he killed his family or not?
22:31Yeah, he did.
22:33He told me his dad's last words was saying his mom's name, Margaret, Margaret, over and over again.
22:42And did he say anything about Margaret?
22:45She was playing Candy Crush and that's kind of sad too.
22:49Why is the Candy Crush part sad?
22:50I don't know.
22:51I don't know.
22:51She was just being a mom and playing a game on Facebook and she just minding her own business.
22:57And I just can't imagine raising someone till adulthood, getting them to college just for them to murder me.
23:05That's just sad.
23:08I just wanted to know if you had anything that you wanted to ask me in particular.
23:13Grant, can you tell me where the gun is?
23:19Yes.
23:22The gun is buried in...
23:44So we, I think, told you that through our reporting we'll come up with a couple of new details.
23:49We want to play you an excerpt from a conversation I had with Grant recently.
23:52We're going to give you a phone and then you're going to hit play and we just want to see
23:54your reaction.
23:56Everyone just let us know when you're set.
23:59Are we rolling everybody?
24:00Yep.
24:01Okay.
24:01All right.
24:02You want to hit play?
24:04Yeah.
24:04So this whole entire time I've been affecting my innocence for the sake of, like, my future with the appeals
24:09process and everything like that.
24:11But I feel like it's important to you since you, you know, you've always been there with me throughout this
24:16whole entire thing and just for other people in general, that I actually tell the truth.
24:22The truth is that I did commit those crimes and I did do those murders and that is obviously currently
24:28what I'm in prison for right now.
24:35That's it.
24:38Well, that solves the mystery.
24:41So what do you think?
24:42Oh, it's fascinating. Yeah.
24:44It leaves me a little bit of closure that I know that he wasn't wrongly convicted.
24:51So the fascinating part to me is, like, I did those murders.
24:54It's not like I shot and killed my dad, I shot and killed my mom and I shot and killed
24:57my brother.
24:58It's just interesting the way he says it.
25:01Are you surprised that he decided to confess?
25:02No, I'm not surprised he decided to confess. I think this may be his way to finally get it out
25:09in the open, kind of a weight off his shoulders.
25:13So, on one hand, my reaction to that is that he could have saved his remaining family a whole lot
25:22of grief by saying that and pleading guilty.
25:26And he chose not to do that. And it's the continuation of the selfishness that we've always seen from him.
25:36Maybe it was gnawing at him, so he felt like he had to get it off his chest, but he
25:41didn't show any remorse for what he did.
25:44I just said, no, if you had anything that you wanted to ask me in particular.
25:48Grant, can you tell me where the gun is?
25:53Yes.
25:56The gun is buried in my truck in the backyard.
26:02Mr. Turpin, raise your right hand. Be ready to be sworn, please.
26:06Do you know an individual named Grant Amato?
26:09I do.
26:09How long have you known Grant Amato?
26:11I've known Grant since we were in high school, about 15 years.
26:15All right, the car is clearly about in the car.
26:18We're in the backyard.
26:21I'm one of the only big oak trees that he had back there.
26:25Only, like, a couple feet feet.
26:37When would that have happened?
26:39If he shoots them and kills them with that gun, he then drives to Blake Turpin's house and messes around
26:47in his backyard.
26:53There was digital imprints that he was at the Publix at 3 o'clock. By 9.30, he was under
26:58surveillance.
27:00So somehow he must have done it between 3 and 5 a.m.
27:06Isn't there going to be some kind of leftover evidence of some kind of digging?
27:11I mean, it's not exactly like the best way to dump something.
27:13But then again, who am I to say they didn't find it?
27:25It's kind of just unimaginable what this man did after committing these homicides.
27:30And now we have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight sheriffs back here.
27:34On a scavenger hunt that Grant sent us all on.
27:39I just don't know. I don't know what's real anymore.
27:41Is he lying? Are they just not finding it?
27:44Oh, my God. He didn't find anything?
27:47They definitely look like they're losing confidence.
27:50Nobody knows what's real anymore.
27:51I don't know why.
27:58Grub.
28:04There's no doubt he's a liar.
28:05Yeah.
28:06He lied to us, lied to his family, lied to his friends.
28:08Yeah.
28:09Lied to her.
28:11It's a very strange case.
28:12It is.
28:13A very sad case.
28:14Yeah.
28:15I know we did everything we could have done.
28:16Exhausted everything we had available to us.
28:19I think the right person is in jail in my opinion.
28:22Yeah.
28:26Grant.
28:28We just went down to Florida to Blake Turpin's house and tried to dig up the gun.
28:35We were in touch with the Seminole County Sheriff's.
28:38They spent about four hours digging up his yard and they did not find a gun.
28:43That's crazy.
28:48So what's going on?
28:51I mean, that is very surprising.
28:54Only because the only thing that I can think of is there's obviously been like long work done.
29:05Maybe even excavation type work to get rid of the huge tree stumps and whatnot for the couple of trees
29:10that he had back there.
29:12Because that's very strange that it's not there anymore.
29:25Well, Grant, you know, I feel really conflicted.
29:28You know, I put myself on a limb to go out there.
29:30I had to give a sworn statement and then the gun wasn't there.
29:35I think you can imagine how that makes me look, how that makes my team look.
29:39You know, are you being truthful with me, Grant?
29:43That is crazy.
29:44You know, I know that this is a professional question.
29:48But it's very irritating to always have to defend myself when I'm trying to do something like, ouch.
29:54You know, I'm trying to do something here where this has absolutely zero benefit to me.
30:04But, yes, once again, I am being truthful.
30:11I think there's a lot of people who look at Grant and would say, oh, this guy's an expert liar,
30:16manipulator, a man of masks.
30:20Do you think you ever met the real Grant?
30:23Probably not, honestly.
30:25He was trying to impress me, you know, so he would curate this image of being kinder than he is.
30:33And probably hid more of his darker traits, I guess.
30:38Do you think there is a real Grant?
30:40I don't think there's a real anybody, in my opinion.
30:44People are just the roles that they play.
30:47I mean, look, Sylvia is playing a character, right?
30:50Yeah.
30:50That's not really her. Grant's playing a character, that's not really him.
30:54You know, they were both playing roles.
30:56I think that they're kind of just like characters just falling in love with the other character.
31:01But I also don't really think the Grant and Sylvie thing is not really that crucial part of the story.
31:08Really?
31:09Nope.
31:10It's more his own mental problems and, like, kind of this break with reality.
31:18Talk to me more. What break with reality?
31:20He was not happy with who he was or where he was in life.
31:24And so he was able to escape into a fantasy persona, you know, online.
31:31And I guess he really wanted it to be a reality.
31:34But you can't really maintain a fantasy forever, unfortunately.
31:39I guess reality might have been too painful for him.
31:47Everybody believes that I murdered my family for Sylvia.
31:53Everybody believes that the reason why Grant Amato murdered his family was because they would not let him be with
32:03this woman.
32:03And that is not true.
32:06It wasn't some act of passion or anything like that.
32:12Well, Grant, what's the right answer?
32:15What went wrong?
32:18Every single day was the same exact two, three hour long conversations, just about the same shit over and over
32:25and over again.
32:26I was completely disconnected from Cody, who was my literal lifeline my whole life.
32:33My mom was isolated in her own world and dealing with all of the ramifications of my dad.
32:40It was just a constant reminder every day of the failure that I had become and how much I just
32:46let down everybody.
32:51And Grant, did they try to help you figure out what you were going through?
32:56You know, you had made mistakes.
32:58Did they try to help you examine them?
33:02My mother and my father had actually been going to a family therapist.
33:08And I went to one.
33:10I went to one family therapy session.
33:14And I can't put it into enough words how embarrassing it was, especially when my brother Cody started talking.
33:27Because everything that he said was right.
33:32And I knew that this therapist was thinking, wow, this dude's got it together.
33:39Like, he's so logical.
33:41He's successful.
33:42He's trying to help out.
33:44Look at all the money he spent for his brother.
33:48And man, he's like, Jesus Christ reincarnated.
33:53Then it comes to me.
33:57I'm going, I'm going, I'm going.
34:00Nice job, Grant.
34:02And you are going to be good.
34:08And they're just asking, you know, why I ventured into this alternate lifestyle.
34:17Thank you, Grant, for everything tonight. Everything that I'm learning tonight.
34:21And I see it as a problem.
34:23All that anybody was talking about was these six months.
34:27And it's like 27 years before this didn't exist.
34:34So the end result was that I was to improve my self-image.
34:40Because apparently that's what my issue was.
34:44I perceive myself as less than, less than my father, less than my brother, the male figures in my family.
34:58And once again, you're telling this to a person who has a very dominant, pompous personality.
35:07And instead of just fucking giving me a plane ticket and letting me disappear into the world on my own,
35:13which is all that I said that I wanted to do.
35:15I wanted to get away from everybody.
35:18That's kind of a red flag that you all are not helping me.
35:23So I was very unreceptive to therapy when it like wasn't going in the direction that I thought that it
35:34should be going.
35:36And the day after we had this therapy session was when they tell me, hey, we're going to be admitting
35:45you to a private rehab facility because you have a problem.
35:50You're not open to any form of family therapy.
35:54And I was just completely taken aback.
35:59I just felt so betrayed.
36:06I just did what my normal defense mechanism was and I closed off.
36:09I shut down.
36:11Being told that I'm not going to be able to have my cell phone or any electronic device for 60
36:16days being detached from the online world was just all the more traumatic.
36:23You know, my one outlet that had brought me joy, this alternate lifestyle that I had developed was gone.
36:33So now this life that I was left with was pointless.
36:45And so that was when I started thinking about killing my family members.
36:54Grant, I, I have to ask some questions about the mechanics of that evening.
37:00Did it, did it feel real?
37:03It was all very tactical.
37:07When it was done each time, it didn't end up the way that I thought that it would.
37:14It didn't happen like it does in video games or in movies.
37:19It wasn't as immediate as I am asked it to be after each one.
37:24You are kind of faced with the fact that, well, you can't run away from this now.
37:38It definitely takes a toll on you working these crime scenes.
37:42You feel for the families.
37:45I mean, you think about your own family.
37:48God forbid something like this could happen.
37:53And this just goes to show, you can put someone in a perfect circumstance and still have a kid that
37:58is a major, major problem that you could not solve even with your best efforts.
38:03And this family seemed like they put in their absolute best efforts to try to fix his issues.
38:13I believe that people perceive me to be a monstrous psychopathic, simple human being, you know.
38:27And it's so polar to who I actually am.
38:31You know, I can't think of, I don't really know, I can't think of like a better way to commit
38:42those crimes.
38:43Because nobody saw me, nobody knew what was about to happen.
38:47You know, and I did that on purpose.
38:50Because I didn't want that final thought to be, wow, I can't believe you're about to do this to me.
38:59You know, so, the fact that I had that compassion, that's the way that I am.
39:10You know, it's like even in the process of doing something terrible, I'm trying to be as compassionate as possible.
39:17Grant, you must know that people are going to have a lot of difficulties saying that you committed these homicides
39:24in a compassionate way.
39:26You must know how that's going to sound to people.
39:30I might say that I don't care about people, that, you know, I just want to be left alone.
39:36But, honestly, you know, whatever capacities I have to help people, I do.
39:41I'm questioning.
39:44.
40:02Hello, my name is Teodora Barsakova, Sylvia Tarsia.
40:11Hello, Sylvia.
40:13Обаждам се от името на една американска продуцентска компания.
40:18Продайте на тези хор, които си разли с вас, че това нещо ни причини изключителен трет,
40:28изключително поклава за малко да изпробували целия живот.
40:32Аз разбирам, наистина това със сигурност е било ужасно тежко и травмиращо за вас.
40:37И по този начин, ако вие разкажете тази история от ваша гледна точка,
40:40можете по някакъв начин да контролирате как се разпространява и да споделите ваше.
40:46Не искам, но по никакъв пат, че не искам какви или не е неща си изглъзва,
40:52какви или не е колко си е било, като жърваме.
40:54Ще разбирам, че в ваша гледна точка от този хор,
40:58гената точка е интересно да чуете и как се помисли и какво не е,
41:03но просто някакъв не се упречва това нещо.
41:08Просто че аз с хорите, с които трябваше и можах да изворя този въпрос,
41:13всички хорите, при които ходях и така, бада се заложи някакъв начин да забродоля тялото това нещо.
41:28Аз сега, да разбирам, да разбирам, просто...
41:39Grant.
41:41Hey, what's up, Colin?
41:42I was looking at the time and I was like, dang it, of course.
41:45Of course, Count's going late today.
41:50Well, we got Sylvie on the phone.
41:54Yeah.
41:57She said that, you know, she was deeply traumatized by the event.
42:01She said that she had been in therapy to try to heal from it.
42:05And that she just doesn't want to revisit any of this and she wouldn't like to talk.
42:09Oh, wow. Very interesting.
42:12Yeah, that's pretty shocking to hear.
42:16You know, at least on the surface that she was going through all that stuff is interesting, to say the
42:25least.
42:26You know, it was obviously like an impactful thing, apparently.
42:37There are definitely some cases where you can feel some sort of sympathy for Grant for his struggles for what
42:43he was going through.
42:44But you put them all together.
42:46You realize that he came from a loving home.
42:51You realize that he had a mother who loved him dearly, who would do anything to protect him.
42:56You realize that he had a brother who did the same.
42:58You realize he had a father who was kind of a hard ass, but still made all these efforts to
43:04protect his son.
43:05And he made the selfish decision to take their lives.
43:13Grant Amato put himself in this downward spiral.
43:19Grant Amato refused to accept the second chances, refused to accept the help that he was offered.
43:29Grant Amato refused to admit what everybody pretty much knew at this point.
43:35Who did this to your family?
43:36He killed his entire family.
43:38I didn't do any of this.
43:41Part of me is wondering if it's this desperate sense of wanting attention.
43:48No.
43:50He knew that he would get attention by going on trial.
43:53As to the reasonable doubt instruction, objection state?
43:56No objection.
43:57Any objection defense?
43:58No.
43:59He knew that none of this would be happening had he pleaded guilty.
44:09And he still chose to put his surviving brother through the hell of seeing his parents and his brother's body
44:20blown up on a courtroom.
44:22The hell of publicizing of this.
44:25This is just a horrific experience for everybody.
44:28Three dead, two men and one woman in her 50s from apparent gunshot wounds.
44:34Grant Amato destroyed so many lives.
44:39People he claimed that he cared about.
44:43And what I would have to say to him is, you know, was it really worth it?
44:52It's a story of a very selfish, manipulative man kind of getting what he wants in the attention.
45:09You know, Grant, we're discussing the homicide of your family, you killing your family.
45:13You know, sometimes a smile will come across your face.
45:18And I know it's so weird, Grant.
45:20But I have to ask, are you remorseful?
45:22Are you sorry you did this?
45:34Yes, I am remorseful.
45:35I wish I had never done this.
45:37I wish I could go back in time and have my family back.
46:00I wish I could go back in the contrôle.
46:00Good luck, Greg.
46:01I need to save money off.
46:01You've got Seninku Res majors.
46:01Phil Scots Has your own account and a confusion in the last minute.
46:02No matter what youancenai, even though, try.
46:02It's not even.
46:02He is long, Pete walking in the night.
46:04Many times, I fear his family.
46:05Dealer.
46:05You to get my family.
46:06You recognize this.
46:06You might need you.
46:07Dana.
46:08You could feel that good you can fís people.
46:09I knew your life.
46:13Anyway, I might ask things to do.
46:13You
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