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00:09Chris Reagan deserves to be brought home to his children. They deserve to bury him.
00:15We find Chris Reagan's glasses, his shoe can. I see my dog go up to what looks like a rock,
00:23and I was like, holy crap. Finding Chris Reagan's skull, everything changed.
00:31I returned to Iron County Jail and see if she would tell me the truth when it came to other
00:35victims.
00:36Gary, I've probably heard that name before. She's putting a name with a location,
00:42the actual method of murder. It was like doing a jigsaw puzzle without looking at the picture on
00:48the front of the box. She knew that for us to be able to find the truth in that big
00:57mess was going
00:57to be pretty difficult. We had to make sure that we had everything we needed to get a murder conviction.
01:13She admitted that she was supposed to kill Chris Reagan rather than Jason.
01:19He put a gun in my head. He was going to shoot me. He was going to shoot himself.
01:23All right. Number one, guilty of first degree. We had a stated murder.
01:30Guilty on all counts in the death of 53-year-old Christopher Regan of Iron River.
01:36Kelly's willing to plead straight up to Jason Cochran's murder, with the exception that she can
01:42never be charged with another homicide in Indiana. You've sat here and you've told me that there
01:46are multiple bodies in Indiana. Who killed them? There's a guy that was shot and killed in Minnesota
01:53named Jason Reuter. I have no doubt in my mind that Kelly had other victims. And we're going to find
02:02them.
02:31There's just so many interviews of you taking credit for a lot of things. What's been said is,
02:38there's truth in the lies. Is there some truth in that? There is, except for, I won't take credit
02:45for something I didn't do. Jason kept a diary and a journal of stuff that he did. So he had
02:52a lot of
02:53detailed stories of what he had done. I never got a chance to read it all. It wasn't in my
03:00possession
03:00long enough because the police ended up coming. But do you believe that he actually did perpetrate
03:06some of these things that he wrote down? I believe at least half of them.
03:20When Kelly was convicted of murder, it gave Chris Regan's kids the closure they really needed.
03:28But there are other victims' families out there that need closure too.
03:32Eight years later, at this point, if we don't do it, nobody will.
03:38Jeremy retired from the Hobart police. And once my law enforcement career ended,
03:43Jeremy and I both talked about opening our own private investigative agency.
03:51We're going to take a look at the 5-23-2016
03:54interview with Kelly and I at the Iron County Jail.
03:58See if she gives any useful information about other victims' identities.
04:02When we were doing the murder investigations of Chris Regan and Jason Cochran, we didn't have the time
04:09or the means to do all the investigation into these other victims. So that's why we have to do it
04:15now.
04:16The hard part is that Kelly lies and she uses misdirection so much, it's hard to figure out what's
04:23what. If she was truthful about the location of Chris Regan's skull, what other truths did she
04:28give us that we overlook?
04:30This is the first interview that I actually do with Kelly after she's in custody and gets
04:37transported back from Kentucky. I'm basically putting the ball back in her court to decide
04:42whether or not she wants to provide more information that could lead to other victims.
04:48I don't want you to sit in this room with me and embellish. I want you to be truthful with
04:53me,
04:53okay? Can we do that?
04:55Sure can.
04:55Can you and I have a good conversation?
04:58No more cheating.
05:01You too. We're like on equal playing field.
05:06No we're not. I'm wearing pink fucking handcuffs.
05:10I drove all this way because you told me that you wanted to tell me the truth. You wanted to
05:15tell me the story, okay? There's a bag and a composition book. You can have that.
05:23Where's it at? It'd be my attic. You probably have it now. The composition book. I didn't know
05:31they packed all my shit up and put it in the attic.
05:33Attic.
05:34Right.
05:35Yeah. What's in it?
05:39Everything.
05:42So she's saying that these identities of other victims were in a composition book that was seized
05:48during the execution of a search warrant at her parents' house? That should be our focus?
05:53Right. Yeah. Also, she makes reference to the trophy bag.
05:58Sure.
05:58Take a listen to this phone call that I had back in 2016.
06:02This is a prepaid collect call from Kelly.
06:06An inmate at Iron County Michigan Jail.
06:10Hello? Yeah, I was returning your call.
06:13So, about this trinket bag you...
06:15Jason got rid of the body.
06:17I had hid the trophies that he had kept. I put them in a vacuum sealed bag. I put the
06:23trophies
06:24there and you didn't know about it.
06:26And what was in the bag? Like things from an unrelated...
06:29I saw Chris, yeah.
06:31And you put those things in that same area as Chris's body?
06:36Uh, pretty close.
06:39This trophy bag for Kelly is a collection of souvenirs from each victim. It could be
06:43things like driver's licenses, personal items. I believe there's validity to that. And I think
06:50it's probably in the area near the remains where the skull was located. And I think we need to go
06:54back
06:55up there and check for that. If we can find this trophy bag, it could link her to several other
07:02homicides. While you're up in the UP, I'm going to talk with Hobert PD, go through the evidence there,
07:07and see if I can have any luck finding that notebook. Yeah.
07:22I'm heading to the UP. It's where I was born and raised, and I haven't been back there since
07:30everything happened. It brings back memories.
07:43You always think that you want to get out of the small town, move away. But ultimately,
07:48when you get older, you want to come back to what you know and what feels comfortable.
07:55Did you see the deer?
08:03Hello. I just spoke.
08:18Chris's apartment are the right two windows.
08:23This doesn't look like Chris's apartment at all.
08:26It's all disheveled.
08:33That's the apartment he was staying in.
08:45So we're pulling up in front of where Kelly and Jason Cochran's home was.
08:51It's been demolished.
08:54Hi, Kelly.
08:55Hi.
09:15It's just crazy to think what all took place in this little neighborhood that's so quiet.
09:23They had no idea what was going on in that house.
09:25I mean, you just never know who's living next door to you, right?
09:37This is Pentoga Trail.
09:42I haven't been here since we found Chris Regan's skull.
09:46I fell in love the first time I came up here. God's country. I believe that.
09:54And this is also the location that I'm going to start searching for Kelly Cochran's trophy bag.
10:00It won't be easy, but if we can find it, it's going to be justice, hopefully, to a lot of
10:05other victims.
10:18As soon as Kelly was convicted
10:21of Chris Regan's murder up in Iron River, I was back down in Hobart, assigned to the patrol division.
10:28I wish I could have spent months going through all of the evidence from Kelly's case.
10:33I just wasn't in a position to do that.
10:37But now, I am.
10:44So, what is it?
10:46What is the book?
10:47The composition book.
10:49What's in it?
10:51Everything.
10:52Like?
10:53Every fine detail.
10:56I believe that finding these notebooks is the key to exposing other murders that she committed.
11:05What's going on, Bear?
11:06Hey, Paul.
11:07Long time no see, bro.
11:09Yeah.
11:09As we talked before, if you can open up anything, please just let me know.
11:13Sure.
11:13All right.
11:14Thanks, bro.
11:14It's good to see you.
11:18I retired from the Hobart Police Department in July of 2018,
11:22two months after we closed the Kelly Cochran case.
11:24This was in her truck in Kentucky.
11:27It's hard to believe that all this evidence has been sitting here for six years.
11:31Vehicle registration, Marlboro cigarettes.
11:35Pretty much untouched.
11:36Ultimately, she took her glasses apart in Kentucky and made shanks from the earpieces.
11:42But that's the reality of police work.
11:43You prepare, gather evidence, hand it off to the prosecutor, and then you're off to the next case.
11:51But some cases stick with you.
11:53And you say you'll go deeper into those cases as soon as you have the time.
11:57Well, now is that time.
11:59Police Department recovered this out of the dumpster for me in Kentucky.
12:05Kelly wrote this.
12:06It's a list of how they killed and dismembered Chris Reagan.
12:14Gun location, bullets, location of the body, glasses, watch, necklace, garbage bags,
12:23cleaning supplies, tools for cutting up Chris.
12:30There are different kinds of murders.
12:36This is evil.
12:40Wow.
12:41This was in there like personal stash of weapons.
12:45There's pitting and it's rusted.
12:47I think there's some use that's gone on.
12:50Any of that that has rust that shows use.
12:53We knew that Chris Reagan was killed with a rifle.
12:56But looking at these medieval weapons, it's possible they used them on other victims.
13:02Phone data.
13:04The bag with miscellaneous documents and books.
13:08Postcards.
13:09There's a lot of evidence that I expected to be here that's not here.
13:13Writings of theirs.
13:18Wait a minute.
13:21It says here that these items were given back to Kelly's father.
13:25The notebooks that were seized from Kelly's parents' house and placed into evidence, they're not here.
13:30The police just returned the items back to the family.
13:35It could have contained all kinds of information that could have helped solve other cases.
13:40I can't even tell you how frustrating this is.
13:49This is a prepaid collect call from Kelly.
13:52An inmate at Iron County, Michigan Jail.
13:59So, about this trinket bag, you're saying that you put those things somewhere in that same area as Jason put
14:07Chris's body?
14:09Right back where Chris was.
14:12There's a 12 by 18 inch metal plate under the ground, under the grass.
14:16And I put it in the bag inside of a Ziploc bag, a vacuum tube bag.
14:22Slid the plate in and put the grass back down.
14:25Why that spot?
14:27That was a spot that I knew I would be able to find.
14:31And I knew I'd meet him one day.
14:38Today I'm meeting Mike Niger at the location where Chris Regan's remains were located.
14:47Within probably the first two weeks of the Chris Regan investigation, Mike Niger came to me.
14:58Michael!
14:59Hey, Chief.
15:00How's it going?
15:01Michael was invaluable when we were searching for Chris Regan's remains.
15:05Now I need his expertise again.
15:07Just lay these sticks around the area you want searched, and then I'll pound them in the ground.
15:14If there is a trophy bag out there to be found, Michael Niger is going to find it.
15:21Okay, so this is one side of the lane.
15:24Kelly said she took this trophy bag and buried it in the ground.
15:28She claims she covered that hole with a metal plate.
15:31That's good because that's a pretty large footprint for the metal detector.
15:36Since we have had prior habitation in the area, we have a lot of man-made items.
15:44Which set off the metal detector.
15:46The pipe.
15:47There was a bolt there.
15:48A shotgun shell.
15:50Fuck.
15:51All right.
15:55This is fucking crazy.
15:59I feel like I'm just losing my mind sometimes.
16:03Is there really a trophy bag?
16:06Or was this just another one of Kelly's games?
16:09There's still more down there.
16:10We don't have any choice but to follow her leads.
16:14So, we have to keep going.
16:16I feel like I'm Real B också.endeor.
16:31I don't
16:31have to be live in the sky. I have to
16:31keep going. I feel like
16:35ask her. We love that
16:35song in the sky. I feel like
16:35of my children? I'm sean Paul.
16:45I still hate myself.
16:45Morning.
16:46You had a late night last night, huh?
16:49Tired.
16:50How things go up there?
16:52Well, frustrating.
16:54We covered a lot of ground, but we didn't find the bag.
16:58I'm still determined.
17:00Well, I don't think we should ever stop looking for it.
17:02It's somewhere.
17:03Yeah.
17:04We went to Hobart PD, and we went through evidence there,
17:08and unfortunately, Kelly's personal journals
17:12had been returned to her mom and dad,
17:16and I think it's kind of unlikely that mom and dad
17:19will talk to us or help us in any way.
17:23I think the only way that that's possible
17:25is if Kelly were to decide she wanted that.
17:28Would tell them to do it.
17:29You know, as we develop more leads,
17:31we're definitely going to have to link her
17:34to someone that's missing.
17:36Then is when we reach back to her and say,
17:39hey, listen, you know, we have this information.
17:42We can link you to this person.
17:44I think that's when she'll decide
17:47she wants to start engaging again.
17:49I agree.
17:52If we could find that trophy bag
17:54that Kelly claims is buried in the woods,
17:56we would know the identity of all her victims.
17:59Until we find it, if we find it,
18:02we have to do this the hard way.
18:04So you can sit here and you can try to manipulate this
18:07because that's what you do.
18:11Or you can sit here and you can decide
18:13to tell me the real story about everything.
18:17We need to review her interrogations
18:18and try to identify the real victims
18:20among all the names of men she claimed she killed.
18:30This is the first time that she actually starts giving me
18:33names and locations and there's truth and there's lie
18:38and there's a puzzle that we have to try to figure out.
18:42Right.
18:44Okay, so what's the name of five?
18:46Michael.
18:48This happened outside a bar in Chicago.
18:52Stabbed.
18:54Body recovered?
18:56Not yet, but can be.
18:59Okay.
19:00Where did you stab him at?
19:02In the throat, neck.
19:04In the car, outside the car?
19:05Inside the car.
19:06Whose car?
19:07His.
19:07His.
19:08Well, while she's talking during this time,
19:10her mouth is actually frowning rather than smiling.
19:14Smiling, grinning.
19:14Yeah.
19:15Which could mean she's actually telling the truth.
19:19Adam Russell.
19:22R-U-S-S-L-E-V-O 38.
19:29Where was Adam Russell killed?
19:32Doesn't matter.
19:33Okay, you're not going to do it with me.
19:34You're not going to answer my question.
19:37But at some point, you can tell me when you want to start to talk.
19:42You do your job and you do well.
19:44Obviously not.
19:45You're telling me I don't.
19:46I'm telling you you do.
19:48No.
19:49But you won't tell the truth.
19:50You're going to sit here and you want to play a game with me
19:52after I drove another six hours just to have a conversation with you.
19:56And you want to play a game.
19:58So, why on earth sit here and play the game with me?
20:02Good question, right?
20:03Very good question.
20:04Okay, so give me the answer.
20:12Maybe you think I'm better than I am.
20:16Whatever.
20:17Okay.
20:19Let's stop right there for a minute.
20:20I think she's trying to manipulate you with body language, facial expressions.
20:26I think she's trying to connect with you so that you view her differently.
20:31The way she's acting is like she knows you so well.
20:35And she's trying to build your ego up because it does work with men and she knows that.
20:39Back when we were doing the investigation almost 10 years ago, I became a little bit annoyed with how Kelly
20:47would interact with Jeremy.
20:48I think she was trying to use a seductive technique to try and manipulate him.
20:54But I also could see him being able to do what he needed to do that was necessary at the
21:00time to keep her talking.
21:02Watching the interviews now, he brings out this different part of her that's eerily seductive in a way.
21:13It makes me kind of sick to my stomach.
21:16These are the worst things in the world to watch with my wife.
21:19The guy that I have to be in the room with Kelly is not who I am.
21:24It's a manipulative character that I have to play.
21:27And it's definitely not the guy that you want to meet your wife.
21:30The normal techniques that you would use with people in order to elicit a response, they don't work with her
21:38like they do with everybody else.
21:39Right.
21:40This is hard.
21:42Give me eight and nine names.
21:44Please.
21:46Stop that.
21:47Eight and nine.
21:48Come on.
21:48Just the names.
21:49What's with the please? Come on.
21:50I'm serious.
21:52Will you tase me?
21:53No.
21:55No.
21:55Why not?
21:56Eight and nine.
21:57Can't do it.
21:58I mean, I get it.
21:59I get what Jeremy had to do to get what he needed from her.
22:03But watching this interaction and watching any woman really thinking that my husband's, you know, eating out of their hand
22:09is really hard to watch.
22:12This was effective, your relationship, your communication with her.
22:21Another Jason.
22:24Jason who?
22:25Just put Jason for now.
22:27No.
22:27Jason who?
22:30Olsen.
22:34Owen.
22:35Where's he from?
22:38From Minnesota.
22:39But it didn't happen in Minnesota.
22:41This happened outside of Madison.
22:43This was on a road trip that I went to with...
22:46Madison, Wisconsin?
22:47Yes.
22:48This happened with Bowden.
22:50With?
22:51This happened with him?
22:52No.
22:53When I was done with him.
22:55And I didn't kill him.
22:56Didn't hurt him.
22:57You had a relationship with Bowden?
22:59Not really.
23:00I don't know what I had with him.
23:03What she's saying and the way she's saying it, I think it's possible that there's some truth to it.
23:08That's real.
23:10What she's saying is real.
23:12Throwing out all these names and all these places.
23:15I think her goal was to basically bury us in bullshit.
23:19But I do believe one thing that she said.
23:22Another Jason.
23:25From Minnesota.
23:28This happened with Bowden.
23:31And I didn't kill him.
23:33Didn't hurt him.
23:34We think this is a case of her giving us a piece of the truth wrapped in a lie.
23:40Jason who?
23:43Olsen.
23:45Olsen may be a fictional last name.
23:48Owen.
23:49But we first heard about another Jason.
23:52Jason Reuter.
23:54From Kelly's brother Colton.
23:56It was between 2012 and 2013.
23:59She had been talking with a guy for quite some time on Facebook.
24:03She said he was from Minnesota.
24:07And I specifically remember his name being Jason.
24:14After looking online, there's a guy that was shot and killed.
24:19His name is Jason Reuter.
24:22Police were called to the 1200 block of Edie Street in Hastings around 10 p.m. Sunday night, June 22nd
24:28on reports of shots fired.
24:29Police do not believe this to be random.
24:31The picture on the site, I can't tell you 100% that's the guy.
24:38But right now about 90, 95% sure.
24:42Okay.
24:51We're going to attempt to contact Bowdoin.
24:54She was dating him or seeing him prior to the date of Jason Reuter's murder.
25:00Hello.
25:01Hi, this is Laura Frizzo Ogden.
25:05I'm calling from Indiana right now, but I did an investigation in Michigan.
25:10And I wondered if you have a minute for me to ask you a couple questions to help me out.
25:15Oh, what kind of investigations?
25:17I'm just doing some follow up on a case that I handled.
25:20You may have heard of it involving Kelly Cochran.
25:24Oh, my goodness. Okay.
25:27Are you familiar with Kelly?
25:33Okay.
25:34Can you tell me about that?
25:35What year do you think it was that you saw her?
25:412012-ish?
25:43Yeah.
25:44How did you meet her, may I ask?
25:49What game was that?
25:51Battle Pirates or something?
25:53I know that I met them playing a Facebook game called Battle Pirates.
25:58Interesting.
25:59And we met up and had some potential fun, and that was about it.
26:06It was only just the one time?
26:10Uh, yeah, the weekend, yeah.
26:12Did you think there was anything weird about the time you spent together?
26:15Any point where you were like, thought something might be off?
26:19Uh, yeah.
26:21Um, she had all these butterflies tattooed all over her.
26:25She refused to talk about the meeting and the way that she clammed up so hard.
26:30I thought maybe it was something in her past that was an issue, but...
26:33How come you never saw each other again?
26:36Um, she, for lack of a better term, ghosted me.
26:42She stopped playing the game.
26:44Uh, she's not responding.
26:45When you guys hooked up, did you have any other, any other close family living by you at that time?
26:52Uh, yeah, I was living at my parents' house, actually.
26:54Okay.
26:56It's kinda hard to be getting a call from you so many years past what's going on.
27:00Uh, you're aware that she's in prison now, right, for murder?
27:04Telling her husband or something.
27:06Yeah, and another guy, also, that she was, uh, having an affair with.
27:10So, count your blessings.
27:13Oh, my goodness.
27:16God must have a reason for me to still be here after that, you know what I mean?
27:19Right.
27:20Well, um, thank you so much for taking the call, for answering all these questions.
27:26You take care.
27:27Yeah, thanks, you too.
27:28Alright, bye-bye.
27:29Bye.
27:32Well, that, that's interesting.
27:35Um, the whole butterfly thing.
27:38You ever been to a cadaver farm?
27:40No, I haven't.
27:41But I know what, I know what you're gonna tell me.
27:44They flock to them.
27:46Oh, I like butterflies.
27:48How did you find that out?
27:51I was allowed to go to a cadaver farm.
27:54In Illinois.
27:55Yeah.
27:57That had to be an interesting experience for you.
28:00That's great.
28:02If the actual meaning of the butterflies isn't what we've been led to believe it is, meaning victims,
28:07why would she not have told this guy, two years before they killed Chris Regan, um, what the butterflies meant?
28:14I mean, to me that's, you know, pretty telling that those butterfly tattoos do signify death to her.
28:20And I find it interesting that through the online gaming, she connected with this guy and met up with him.
28:25So you have to wonder if that didn't happen in other situations.
28:30And if she was telling the truth about Bowdoin, then she may have been telling the truth about this other
28:35guy she killed in Minnesota.
28:37I think we need to focus on Jason Reuter.
28:41In fact, in 2016, in a subsequent interview with Kelly,
28:47Jeremy decides to pull a picture that he had printed of Jason Reuter.
28:51You don't know this guy?
29:03I don't want to answer any questions about him.
29:06Why would you not want to answer any questions about him?
29:08I just don't.
29:10For what reason?
29:19Jeremy was supposed to have a meeting with Kelly the following day, which would have been April 27th of 2016,
29:26and on that day she fled.
29:29So that gave us a strong suspicion that maybe there was some truth to what Colton said.
29:35She finally confessed to Jason about seeing the guy.
29:41And Jason said to her, well, I'll kill him if you want.
29:46We're convinced there's some connection between her and Jason Reuter from Hastings, Minnesota.
29:55So I reached out to Jason Reuter's brother, Jeremy.
30:00I told him we were investigating possible victims of Kelly Cochran.
30:05And we think she may have had a relationship with his brother.
30:09And he was very, very willing to participate in anything because he still mourns the loss of his brother.
30:21I'm really thankful that you agreed to meet with us because I know it's hard and I know it's going
30:27to be a lot on you.
30:28So what we really want to do today is have you just give us a little bit of a history
30:34of your relationship with your family, your brother, and how we got to the point that we did.
30:40He was a great brother and a really good dad, really cared for his kids.
30:49I see that tattoo on your arm.
30:52Oh, yeah. That's him there.
30:55Outgoing guy. Always could make you laugh, telling jokes. Just totally opposite of me.
30:59He's a charmer.
31:00Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
31:02He was always on his phone, meeting girls online.
31:06Can you tell us about the night your brother was murdered?
31:11Well, it was right before dark on June, so it was probably 9 or so, you know, 8.30, 9
31:17o'clock or something.
31:18Yeah.
31:19And we just got off work. Me and my, both of my brothers and my dad worked about two blocks
31:24away from where it happened.
31:25And then I went home and Jason went home and everything and he brought his kids to the ice cream
31:30shop.
31:30And I took a shower and all of a sudden the phone rang and said, Jason got shot, you know.
31:34So once you got that phone call, what's the first thing you did?
31:38Fell. Fell to my knees. Couldn't believe it. I mean, it was like my best friend.
31:43I mean, that's me and my brothers are like best friends. We hunt together every day, fish together every day,
31:50call each other.
31:50I mean, it was, I couldn't believe it. And my wife was just like, well, maybe it's not him. Let's
31:57just go figure it out, you know.
31:58And so we all went down to M&H, which is by my brother's house.
32:02My parents, everybody met at M&H and other people were going there.
32:06And you didn't go to the house because it was blocked off.
32:08They wouldn't let us. Yeah, I tried to, but they wouldn't let us because he was laying there, you know.
32:11My parents drove by and said, you don't want to go.
32:14Go by there. Yeah.
32:16So? So they pulled up like that.
32:19And as soon as he walked out the garage door, they sat in their car, I guess, from where they
32:25say the bullets went up into the house.
32:28So they never even got out of the car for the first shot.
32:32They got him that time and then he dropped and then I guess whoever it was got out of the
32:37car and walked up and then shot him in the head.
32:43So somebody saw that?
32:45Yeah, my nephew.
32:50Did he actually see what happened?
32:52Yeah, he heard the shots and then he was looking out the window and watched it.
32:58And then he went and said, Mommy, Mommy, Dad just got shot.
33:02And she's like, no, no.
33:03You know, she thought it was fireworks or something.
33:05And then ran outside and my brother was laying there in the driveway.
33:09And then she's seen this vehicle leaving.
33:12A white truck.
33:15When his brother's ex-girlfriend called 911, the vehicle she said that she saw outside when she looked out was
33:22a white truck.
33:25That's the vehicle that Kelly and Jason Cochran drove.
33:29And did your nephew describe that person as a male or a female?
33:33Um, it's a, I don't know, I think he was five years old at the time.
33:39So I don't think he identified as they tried to make him do the lineup thing.
33:43And I mean, he's so young and you know, I mean, Jason was this whole world, you know?
33:47Yeah.
33:48So to have that happen and to try to like, uh, have a five year old relive that and like
33:53going for questioning and lineups.
33:54And it's like, at first, after that happened, me and my wife took, um, the youngest one to counseling for
34:02a little while.
34:02And it was hard, you know, it was hard for me to get my life on track.
34:08As far as your brother goes though, you were aware that he would see women on a frequent basis.
34:14He'd meet up with women.
34:15You mentioned, you know, social media, but are you aware of him ever using any dating sites?
34:20Yes, he did.
34:21Okay.
34:22Do you know of which ones?
34:23No, I don't.
34:24I don't know.
34:25That's okay.
34:25Did he ever have any crazy stories about any of them?
34:27Like any, anything that stands out?
34:29No, but, but I do, uh, my brother is like, once he gets a girl or he meets a girl
34:37or something
34:38like that, he can be a little like, you're mine.
34:41He can be a little like controlling it.
34:44You know what I mean?
34:45During my investigation, all the way back in 2016, um, Kelly's brother, Colton,
34:52came to me.
34:53This is how this all begins.
34:55And I think this is probably really important for you to know.
34:58Okay.
34:59Um, he came to me and said, Hey, listen, um, I believe that my sister's responsible for killing
35:06up to nine people.
35:07Um, and I believe that I figured out who one of them is and, and he pointed me in the
35:15direction
35:15of your brother.
35:16He, he had already pulled it up on the internet.
35:18He said that your brother looked like a photograph that he had previously been shown by Kelly.
35:26Uh, and it, he felt that it was her and your brother in this picture.
35:31And that she had come to Wisconsin to go sledding with him or possibly skiing is what he said.
35:39He wasn't sure which one, but she, she wanted to borrow some pants from him and a sled and
35:45was coming up to meet with who he says was your brother.
35:50Um, so did your brother do activities like that?
35:54Would he have, would he have gone and met with somebody for like a weekend getaway kind of thing?
35:59Yes.
36:00Yes.
36:00He would have.
36:01That's, yes, he would.
36:03And, and he went to Wisconsin often.
36:05Yeah.
36:05I mean, it's not far from Minnesota.
36:06He would go hours of driving to meet girls, you know, that I do know.
36:13I mean, through a weekend, you wouldn't see him for three, four or five days.
36:17Jeremy was able to validate a lot of things that we suspected about his brother, Jason,
36:22that possibly connect him to Kelly Cochran.
36:25You know, his brother in the weeks, months leading up to his death was hooking up with girls
36:30online all the time on a lot of different social media sites, dating apps.
36:36He was very likely to have gone off sledding or skiing in Wisconsin on one of these hookups.
36:42And he's known to get possessive with women he dates.
36:47This fits with what Colton told us about the guy Kelly was seeing.
36:51Next thing you know, it completely turned to where she was saying, you know, she's done with him.
36:58He won't leave her alone, keeps calling her, texting her.
37:06We've gathered the evidence we need.
37:09I think it's time to talk to Kelly.
37:11We're headed to Huron Valley Ypsilanti Women's Correctional Facility.
37:16I've set up an interview with Kelly Cochran.
37:20I think she always felt that we would take the time just to figure out what the puzzle is and
37:24then come back to her with the answers.
37:26And that's what we're doing now.
37:29Hopefully she'll want to discuss the Jason Reuter case out of Minnesota.
37:35The hopes is she comes in in a decent mood and that she wants to communicate.
37:42If we're going to get anything, maybe it's going to be today.
37:45Maybe she's going to give us another piece of the puzzle.
37:51All right, cameras and pictures are prohibited on these premises.
37:55No cameras.
38:05It's over.
38:06January 6.
38:16Enhance.
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