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00:09Chris Reagan deserves to be brought home to his children. They deserve to bury him.
00:15We find Chris Reagan's glasses, his shoe can. I see my dog go up to what looks like a rock,
00:23and I was like, holy crap. Finding Chris Reagan's skull, everything changed.
00:31I returned to Iron County Jail and see if she would tell me the truth when it came to other
00:35victims.
00:36Gary, I've probably heard that name before. She's putting a name with a location,
00:42the actual method of murder. It was like doing a jigsaw puzzle without looking at the picture on
00:48the front of the box. She knew that for us to be able to find the truth in that big
00:57mess was going
00:57to be pretty difficult. We had to make sure that we had everything we needed to get a murder conviction.
01:13She admitted that she was supposed to kill Chris Reagan rather than Jason.
01:19He put a gun in my head. He was going to shoot me. He was going to shoot himself.
01:23All right. Number one, guilty of first degree. We had a stated murder.
01:30Guilty on all counts in the death of 53-year-old Christopher Regan of Iron River.
01:36Kelly's willing to plead straight up to Jason Cochran's murder, with the exception that she can
01:42never be charged with another homicide in Indiana. You've sat here and you've told me that there
01:46are multiple bodies in Indiana. Who killed them? There's a guy that was shot and killed in Minnesota
01:53named Jason Reuter. I have no doubt in my mind that Kelly had other victims. And we're going to find
02:02them.
02:31There's just so many interviews of you taking credit for a lot of things. What's been said is,
02:38there's truth in the lies. Is there some truth in that? There is, except for, I won't take credit
02:45for something I didn't do. Jason kept a diary and a journal of stuff that he did. So he had
02:52a lot of
02:53detailed stories of what he had done. I never got a chance to read it all. It wasn't in my
03:00possession
03:00long enough because the police ended up coming. But do you believe that he actually did perpetrate
03:06some of these things that he wrote down? I believe at least half of them.
03:20When Kelly was convicted of murder, it gave Chris Regan's kids the closure they really needed.
03:28But there are other victims' families out there that need closure too.
03:32Eight years later, at this point, if we don't do it, nobody will.
03:38Jeremy retired from the Hobart police. And once my law enforcement career ended,
03:43Jeremy and I both talked about opening our own private investigative agency.
03:51We're going to take a look at the 5-23-2016
03:54interview with Kelly and I at the Iron County Jail.
03:58See if she gives any useful information about other victims' identities.
04:02When we were doing the murder investigations of Chris Regan and Jason Cochran, we didn't have the time
04:09or the means to do all the investigation into these other victims. So that's why we have to do it
04:15now.
04:16The hard part is that Kelly lies and she uses misdirection so much, it's hard to figure out what's
04:23what. If she was truthful about the location of Chris Regan's skull, what other truths did she
04:28give us that we overlook?
04:30This is the first interview that I actually do with Kelly after she's in custody and gets
04:37transported back from Kentucky. I'm basically putting the ball back in her court to decide
04:42whether or not she wants to provide more information that could lead to other victims.
04:48I don't want you to sit in this room with me and embellish. I want you to be truthful with
04:53me,
04:53okay? Can we do that?
04:55Sure can.
04:55Can you and I have a good conversation?
04:58No more cheating.
05:01You too. We're like on equal playing field.
05:06No we're not. I'm wearing pink fucking handcuffs.
05:10I drove all this way because you told me that you wanted to tell me the truth. You wanted to
05:15tell me the story, okay? There's a bag and a composition book. You can have that.
05:23Where's it at? It'd be my attic. You probably have it now. The composition book. I didn't know
05:31they packed all my shit up and put it in the attic.
05:33Attic.
05:34Right.
05:35Yeah. What's in it?
05:39Everything.
05:42So she's saying that these identities of other victims were in a composition book that was seized
05:48during the execution of a search warrant at her parents' house? That should be our focus?
05:53Right. Yeah. Also, she makes reference to the trophy bag.
05:58Sure.
05:58Take a listen to this phone call that I had back in 2016.
06:02This is a prepaid collect call from Kelly.
06:06An inmate at Iron County Michigan Jail.
06:10Hello? Yeah, I was returning your call.
06:13So, about this trinket bag you...
06:15Jason got rid of the body.
06:17I had hid the trophies that he had kept. I put them in a vacuum sealed bag. I put the
06:23trophies
06:24there and you didn't know about it.
06:26And what was in the bag? Like things from an unrelated...
06:29I saw Chris, yeah.
06:31And you put those things in that same area as Chris's body?
06:36Uh, pretty close.
06:39This trophy bag for Kelly is a collection of souvenirs from each victim. It could be
06:43things like driver's licenses, personal items. I believe there's validity to that. And I think
06:50it's probably in the area near the remains where the skull was located. And I think we need to go
06:54back
06:55up there and check for that. If we can find this trophy bag, it could link her to several other
07:02homicides. While you're up in the UP, I'm going to talk with Hobert PD, go through the evidence there,
07:07and see if I can have any luck finding that notebook. Yeah.
07:22I'm heading to the UP. It's where I was born and raised, and I haven't been back there since
07:30everything happened. It brings back memories.
07:43You always think that you want to get out of the small town, move away. But ultimately,
07:48when you get older, you want to come back to what you know and what feels comfortable.
07:55Did you see the deer?
08:03Hello. I just spoke.
08:18Chris's apartment are the right two windows.
08:23This doesn't look like Chris's apartment at all.
08:26It's all disheveled.
08:33That's the apartment he was staying in.
08:45So we're pulling up in front of where Kelly and Jason Cochran's home was.
08:51It's been demolished.
08:54Hi, Kelly.
08:55Hi.
09:15It's just crazy to think what all took place in this little neighborhood that's so quiet.
09:23They had no idea what was going on in that house.
09:25I mean, you just never know who's living next door to you, right?
09:37This is Pentoga Trail.
09:42I haven't been here since we found Chris Regan's skull.
09:46I fell in love the first time I came up here. God's country. I believe that.
09:54And this is also the location that I'm going to start searching for Kelly Cochran's trophy bag.
10:00It won't be easy, but if we can find it, it's going to be justice, hopefully, to a lot of
10:05other victims.
10:18As soon as Kelly was convicted
10:21of Chris Regan's murder up in Iron River, I was back down in Hobart, assigned to the patrol division.
10:28I wish I could have spent months going through all of the evidence from Kelly's case.
10:33I just wasn't in a position to do that.
10:37But now, I am.
10:44So, what is it?
10:46What is the book?
10:47The composition book.
10:49What's in it?
10:51Everything.
10:52Like?
10:53Every fine detail.
10:56I believe that finding these notebooks is the key to exposing other murders that she committed.
11:05What's going on, Bear?
11:06Hey, Paul.
11:07Long time no see, bro.
11:09Yeah.
11:09As we talked before, if you can open up anything, please just let me know.
11:13Sure.
11:13All right.
11:14Thanks, bro.
11:14It's good to see you.
11:18I retired from the Hobart Police Department in July of 2018,
11:22two months after we closed the Kelly Cochran case.
11:24This was in her truck in Kentucky.
11:27It's hard to believe that all this evidence has been sitting here for six years.
11:31Vehicle registration, Marlboro cigarettes.
11:35Pretty much untouched.
11:36Ultimately, she took her glasses apart in Kentucky and made shanks from the earpieces.
11:42But that's the reality of police work.
11:43You prepare, gather evidence, hand it off to the prosecutor, and then you're off to the next case.
11:51But some cases stick with you.
11:53And you say you'll go deeper into those cases as soon as you have the time.
11:57Well, now is that time.
11:59Police Department recovered this out of the dumpster for me in Kentucky.
12:05Kelly wrote this.
12:06It's a list of how they killed and dismembered Chris Reagan.
12:14Gun location, bullets, location of the body, glasses, watch, necklace, garbage bags,
12:23cleaning supplies, tools for cutting up Chris.
12:30There are different kinds of murders.
12:36This is evil.
12:40Wow.
12:41This was in there like personal stash of weapons.
12:45There's pitting and it's rusted.
12:47I think there's some use that's gone on.
12:50Any of that that has rust that shows use.
12:53We knew that Chris Reagan was killed with a rifle.
12:56But looking at these medieval weapons, it's possible they used them on other victims.
13:02Phone data.
13:04The bag with miscellaneous documents and books.
13:08Postcards.
13:09There's a lot of evidence that I expected to be here that's not here.
13:13Writings of theirs.
13:18Wait a minute.
13:21It says here that these items were given back to Kelly's father.
13:25The notebooks that were seized from Kelly's parents' house and placed into evidence, they're not here.
13:30The police just returned the items back to the family.
13:35It could have contained all kinds of information that could have helped solve other cases.
13:40I can't even tell you how frustrating this is.
13:49This is a prepaid collect call from Kelly.
13:52An inmate at Iron County, Michigan Jail.
13:59So, about this trinket bag, you're saying that you put those things somewhere in that same area as Jason put
14:07Chris's body?
14:09Right back where Chris was.
14:12There's a 12 by 18 inch metal plate under the ground, under the grass.
14:16And I put it in the bag inside of a Ziploc bag, a vacuum tube bag.
14:22Slid the plate in and put the grass back down.
14:25Why that spot?
14:27That was a spot that I knew I would be able to find.
14:31And I knew I'd meet him one day.
14:38Today I'm meeting Mike Niger at the location where Chris Regan's remains were located.
14:47Within probably the first two weeks of the Chris Regan investigation, Mike Niger came to me.
14:58Michael!
14:59Hey, Chief.
15:00How's it going?
15:01Michael was invaluable when we were searching for Chris Regan's remains.
15:05Now I need his expertise again.
15:07Just lay these sticks around the area you want searched, and then I'll pound them in the ground.
15:14If there is a trophy bag out there to be found, Michael Niger is going to find it.
15:21Okay, so this is one side of the lane.
15:24Kelly said she took this trophy bag and buried it in the ground.
15:28She claims she covered that hole with a metal plate.
15:31That's good because that's a pretty large footprint for the metal detector.
15:36Since we have had prior habitation in the area, we have a lot of man-made items.
15:44Which set off the metal detector.
15:46The pipe.
15:47There was a bolt there.
15:48A shotgun shell.
15:50Fuck.
15:51All right.
15:55This is fucking crazy.
15:59I feel like I'm just losing my mind sometimes.
16:03Is there really a trophy bag?
16:06Or was this just another one of Kelly's games?
16:09There's still more down there.
16:10We don't have any choice but to follow her leads.
16:14So, we have to keep going.
16:16More fun.
16:45Good morning.
16:46You had a late night last night, huh?
16:49Tired.
16:50How things go up there?
16:52Well, frustrating.
16:54We covered a lot of ground, but we didn't find the bag.
16:58I'm still determined.
17:00Well, I don't think we should ever stop looking for it.
17:02It's somewhere.
17:03Yeah.
17:04We went to Hobart PD, and we went through evidence there,
17:08and unfortunately, Kelly's personal journals
17:12had been returned to her mom and dad,
17:16and I think it's kind of unlikely that mom and dad
17:19will talk to us or help us in any way.
17:23I think the only way that that's possible
17:25is if Kelly were to decide she wanted that.
17:28Would tell them to do it.
17:29You know, as we develop more leads,
17:31we're definitely going to have to link her
17:34to someone that's missing.
17:36Then is when we reach back to her and say,
17:39hey, listen, you know, we have this information.
17:42We can link you to this person.
17:44I think that's when she'll decide
17:47she wants to start engaging again.
17:49I agree.
17:52If we could find that trophy bag
17:54that Kelly claims is buried in the woods,
17:56we would know the identity of all her victims.
17:59Until we find it, if we find it,
18:02we have to do this the hard way.
18:04So you can sit here and you can try to manipulate this
18:07because that's what you do.
18:11Or you can sit here and you can decide
18:13to tell me the real story about everything.
18:17We need to review her interrogations
18:18and try to identify the real victims among all the names
18:21of men she claims she killed.
18:30This is the first time that she actually starts giving me
18:33names and locations and there's truth and there's lie
18:38and there's a puzzle that we have to try to figure out.
18:42Right.
18:44Okay, so what's the name of five?
18:46Michael.
18:48This happened outside a bar in Chicago.
18:52Stabbed.
18:54Body recovered?
18:56Not yet, but can be.
18:59Okay.
19:00Where did you save him at?
19:02In the throat.
19:03Back.
19:04In the car?
19:05Outside the car?
19:05Inside the car.
19:06Whose car?
19:07His.
19:08While she's talking during this time,
19:10her mouth is actually frowning rather than smiling yeah which could mean she's actually telling the
19:17truth adam russell are you ss le be about 38 where was adam russell killed doesn't matter
19:33okay you're not gonna do it with me you're not gonna answer my question
19:37but at some point you can tell me when you want to start to talk you do your job and
19:43you do well
19:44obviously not you're telling me i don't i'm telling you you do no you won't tell the truth
19:50you're gonna sit here and you want to play a game with me after i drove another six hours just
19:54to
19:54have a conversation with you and you want to play a game so why on earth sit here and play
20:00the game
20:00with me good question right very good question okay so give me the answer
20:12maybe you think i'm better than i am whatever okay let's stop right there for a minute
20:21i think she's trying to manipulate you with body language facial expressions i think she's trying
20:27to connect with you so that you view her differently she the way she's acting is like she knows you
20:34so
20:34well and she's trying to build your ego up because it does work with men and she knows that back
20:41when
20:41we were doing the investigation almost 10 years ago i i became too a little bit annoyed with how kelly
20:47would interact with jeremy i think she was trying to use a seductive technique to try and manipulate him
20:54but i also could see him being able to do what he needed to do that was necessary at the
21:00time to
21:00keep her talking watching the interviews now he brings out this different part of her that's
21:09eerily seductive in a way don't swear with me don't lie it makes me kind of sick to my stomach
21:16these are the worst things in the world to watch with my wife
21:19the guy that i have to be in the room with kelly is not who i am it's a manipulative
21:25character that
21:26i have to play and it's definitely not the guy that you want to meet your wife the normal techniques
21:32that you would use with people in order to elicit a response they don't work with her like they do
21:38with
21:38everybody else right this is hard eight nines names please stop that eight nine come on just the
21:49name what's with the please come on i'm serious will you tase me no no why not eight nine i
21:57can't do it
21:58i mean i get it i get what jeremy had to do um to get what he needed from her
22:03but watching this
22:04interaction and watching any woman really thinking that my husband's you know eating out of their hand
22:10um is really hard to watch this was effective your relationship your communication with her
22:21another jason jason who just put jason for now no jason who
22:30olsen
22:35where's he from from minnesota but it didn't happen in minnesota this happened outside of madison
22:43this was on a road trip that i went to with madison wisconsin yes this happened with boden
22:50this happened with him no when i was done with him and i didn't i didn't kill him didn't hurt
22:57him
22:57you had a relationship with him not really i don't know what i had with him
23:03what she's saying and the way she's saying it i think it's possible that there's some truth to it
23:08that's real what she's saying is real throwing out all these names and all these places i think
23:15her goal was to basically bury us in but i do believe one thing that she said another jason
23:28this happened with bowden and i didn't kill him didn't hurt him we think this is a case of her
23:36giving us a piece of the truth wrapped in a lie jason who
23:44olsen olsen may be a fictional last name
23:49but we first heard about another jason jason reuter from kelly's brother colton it was between 2012
23:582013 she had been talking with a guy for quite some time on facebook she said he was from minnesota
24:07and i specifically remember his name being jason after looking online there's a guy that
24:17was shot and killed his name is jason reuter police were called to the 1200 block of edy street in
24:25hastings around 10 p.m sunday night june 22nd on reports of shots fired police do not believe this
24:30to be random the picture on the site i can't tell you a hundred percent that's the guy
24:38but right now about 90 95 sure okay
24:51we're gonna attempt to contact bowden she was dating him or seeing him prior to the date of jason
24:58reuter's murder hello hi this is laura frizzo ogden um i'm calling from indiana right now but uh i did
25:08an investigation in michigan and i wondered if you have a minute for me to ask you a couple questions
25:13to help me out oh uh what kind of investigations um i'm just doing some follow-up on a case
25:20that i
25:20handled you may have heard of it um involving kelly cochran oh my goodness okay are you familiar with kelly
25:29uh we hung out for a weekend like 10 years ago or something okay can you tell me about that
25:35what year
25:36do you think it was that you saw her let's see about 12 maybe 2012 ish yeah how did you
25:44meet her may i
25:45ask we met on facebook actually we played a game on facebook together what game was that battle pirates or
25:52something i know that i met them playing a facebook game called battle pirates interesting
25:59and we met up and had some essential fun and that was about it it was only just the one
26:08time
26:09uh yeah about the weekend yeah did you think there was anything weird about the time you spent together
26:15any point where you were like thought something might be off uh yeah um she had all these butterflies
26:23tattooed all over her she refused to talk about the meeting and the way that she clammed up so hard
26:30i thought maybe it was something in her past that was causing issues but how come you never saw each
26:35other again um she for lack of a better term ghosted me she stopped playing the game uh she stopped
26:45responding when you guys hooked up did you have any other any other close family living by you at that
26:50time uh yeah i was living at my parents house actually okay it's kind of hard to be getting a
26:57call from you
26:58so many years past what's going on all right you're aware that she's in prison now right for murder
27:04telling her husband or something yeah and another guy also that she was uh having an affair with so
27:11count your blessings oh my goodness god must have a reason for me to still be here after that you
27:19know what i mean right crap right well um thank you so much for taking the call for answering all
27:25these
27:25questions you take care yeah thanks you too all right bye-bye bye
27:33well that's interesting um the whole butterfly thing you ever been to a cadaver farm no i haven't
27:40but i know what i know what you're gonna tell me they flocked to him so i like butterflies how
27:48did
27:49you find that out i was allowed to go to a cadaver farm in illinois yeah that had to be
27:58an interesting
27:59experience for you that's great if the actual meaning of the butterflies isn't what we've been
28:04led to believe it is meaning victims why would she not have told this guy two years before they
28:10killed chris reagan um what the butterflies meant i mean to me that's you know pretty telling that
28:17those butterfly tattoos do signify death to her and i find it interesting that through the online
28:23gaming she connected with this guy met up with him so you have to wonder if that didn't happen in
28:28other situations and if she was telling the truth about bowden then she may have been telling the
28:34truth about this other guy she killed in minnesota i think we need to focus on jason reuter
28:41in fact in 2016 in a subsequent interview with kelly jeremy decides to pull a picture that he had
28:49printed of jason reuter you don't know this death
29:03i don't want to answer any questions about him why would you not want to answer any questions about
29:08him i just don't for what reason
29:15i was able to block him out and tell you to bring him up jeremy was supposed to have a
29:21meeting with
29:21kelly the following day which would have been april 27th of 2016 and on that day she fled
29:29so that gave us a strong suspicion that maybe there was some truth to what colton said she finally
29:36confessed to jason about seeing the guy and jason said to her well i'll kill him if you want
29:46we're convinced there's some connection between her and jason reuter from hastings minnesota
29:55so i reached out to jason reuter's brother jeremy i told him we were investigating possible victims of
30:03kelly cochran and we think she may have had a relationship with his brother
30:10and he was very very willing to participate in anything because he still mourns the loss of his
30:21brother i'm really thankful that you agreed to meet with us because i know it's hard and i know
30:27it's going to be a lot on you so what we really want to do today is have you just
30:32give us a little
30:33bit of a history of your relationship with your family your brother and how we got to the point that
30:39we did he was um a great brother and uh a really good dad really cared for his kids
30:49i see that tattoo on your on your oh yeah that's him there yeah outgoing guy always can make you
30:56laugh
30:57telling jokes just totally opposite of me he's a charmer oh yeah yeah yeah he was always on uh his
31:04phone meeting girls online can you tell us about the night your brother was murdered well it was
31:11right before dark on june so it was um probably nine nine or so you know 8 30 9 o
31:17'clock or something
31:18yeah we and we just got off work me and my both of my brothers and my dad worked about
31:23two blocks
31:24away from where it happened and then i went home and jason went home and everything and he brought his
31:29kids to the ice cream shop and i took a shower and all of a sudden the phone rang and
31:32said jason got shot
31:33you know so once you got that phone call what's the first thing you did fell fell to my knees
31:41couldn't believe it i mean it was like my best friend i mean that's me and my brothers are like
31:46best friends we hunt together every day fish together every day call each other i mean it was uh
31:54i couldn't believe it and my wife was just like well maybe it's not him let's just go figure it
31:58out you
31:58know so we all went down to mnh which is by my brother's house my parents everybody met at mnh
32:04and
32:05other people were going there and you didn't go to the house because it was they wouldn't let us yeah
32:09i tried to but they wouldn't let us because he was laying there you know my parents drove by and
32:13said
32:13you don't want to go go by there yeah so so they pulled up like that as soon as he
32:20walked out
32:21the garage door they sat in their car i guess from where they say the bullets went up into the
32:26house
32:28so they never even got out of the car for the first shot
32:32they got him that time and then he dropped and then i guess whoever it was
32:37got out of the car and walked up and then shot him in the head
32:43so somebody saw that yeah my nephew
32:50did he actually see what happened yeah he heard the shots and then uh he was looking out
32:56the window and watched it and then he went and uh said mommy mommy dad just got shot and she's
33:02like
33:02no no you know it's just on his fireworks or something and then ran outside and my brother was
33:08laying there in the driveway and then she's seen this vehicle leaving a white truck
33:15when his brother's ex-girlfriend called 911
33:19the vehicle she said that she saw outside when she looked out was a white truck
33:24that's the vehicle that kelly and jason cochran drove
33:29and did your nephew describe that person as a male or a female um
33:34um it's uh i don't know i think he was what five years old at the time so i don't
33:40think he identified
33:41they tried to make him do the lineup thing and i mean he's so young and you know i mean
33:45jason was
33:46this whole world you know so to have that happen and to try to like uh have a five-year
33:51-old to relive
33:52that and like going for questioning and lineups and it's like at first after that happened me and my wife
33:58took um the youngest one to counseling for a little while and it was hard you know it was hard
34:06for me
34:06to get my life on track as far as your brother goes though you were aware that he would see
34:11women
34:12on a frequent basis he'd meet up with women you mentioned you know social media but are you aware
34:18of him ever using any dating sites yes he did okay yes do you know of which ones no i
34:24don't i don't
34:24that's okay did he ever have any crazy stories about any of them like any anything that stands
34:29out no but but i do uh my brother is like once he gets a girl or he meets a
34:37girl or something like
34:38that he can be a little like you're mine he can be a little like controlling yeah you know what
34:44i mean
34:44during my investigation all the way back in 2016 um kelly's brother colton came to me
34:53this is how this all begins and i think this is probably really important for you to know
34:58um he came to me and said hey listen um i believe that my sister's responsible for killing up to
35:06nine
35:06people um and i believe that i figured out who one of them is and and he pointed me in
35:15the direction of
35:15your brother he he had already pulled it up on the internet he said that your brother looked like a
35:22photograph that he had previously been shown by kelly uh and he felt that it was her and your brother
35:29in this picture and that she had come to wisconsin to go sledding with him or possibly skiing is what
35:38he said he wasn't sure which one but she she wanted to borrow some pants from him and a sled
35:44and was coming up to meet with who he says was your brother um so did your brother do activities
35:53like that would he have would he have gone and met with somebody for like a weekend getaway kind of
35:59thing yeah he would have that's yes he would and he went to wisconsin often yeah i mean it's not
36:06far
36:06from minnesota he would go hours of driving to meet girls you know that i do know i mean well
36:13at the weekend you wouldn't see him for three four or five days jeremy was able to validate a lot
36:19of
36:20things that we suspected about his brother jason that possibly connect him to kelly cochran
36:25you know his brother in the weeks months leading up to his death was hooking up with girls online all
36:31the time on a lot of different social media sites dating apps he was very likely to have gone off
36:39sledding or skiing in wisconsin on one of these hookups and he's known to get possessive with women
36:46he dates this fits with what colton told us about the guy kelly was seeing next thing i know it
36:53completely
36:53turned to where she was saying you know she stole of them he won't leave her alone keeps calling her
37:00texting her
37:06we've gathered the evidence we need i think it's time to talk to kelly we're headed to uh huron valley
37:14ypsilanti women's correctional facility i've set up an interview with kelly cochran i think she always
37:21felt that we would take the time just to figure out what the puzzle is and then come back to
37:25her with
37:25the answers and that's what we're doing now hopefully she'll want to discuss the jason reuter case out of
37:33minnesota the hopes is she comes in in a decent mood and that she wants to communicate if we're going
37:42to
37:42get anything maybe it's going to be today maybe she's going to give us another piece of the puzzle
37:51all right cameras and pictures are prohibited on these premises no cameras
38:06it's over
38:22so
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