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00:01Hello and welcome to the Traitors Uncloaked Grand Finale!
00:04I'm Ed Gamble and I'm here to debrief that unbelievable last episode with all of our finalists.
00:09If you haven't watched it yet, you need to do that now.
00:12I cannot stress that enough because I'm about to give you the biggest spoilers ever.
00:17Head to iPlayer and join us as soon as you're finished.
00:20Right, joining me tonight on our Grand Finale
00:22Claudia Winkleman is here to finally talk about the show she spends months avoiding discussing.
00:27Charlotte, Alexander and Frankie are on stage to decompress from that hugely stressful final day.
00:33And our winners Jake and Leanne will be joining us for their first ever interviews.
00:37Grab yourself a cup of tea and a biscuit as Claude would say, because this is the Traitors Uncloaked.
00:53What a final episode.
00:55I was so excited I had to go and lie down in a coffin to calm down.
00:59Otherwise known as the Alexander Technique.
01:02We'll be speaking to the finalists shortly, but first I'm joined by the icon that is Claudia Winkleman!
01:09Thank you for having me.
01:10Welcome, Claudia, to Uncloaked.
01:12How hard has it been keeping everything a secret?
01:14I just...
01:15Well, I just haven't spoken at all, really.
01:18I've just been very, very quiet for months.
01:20No, it's okay.
01:21I think everybody wants to keep it a secret.
01:24We have a brilliant crew who are there.
01:26Just everybody who's involved, but we know it's very important.
01:29So we just...
01:30I find, because I'm a little bit ahead sometimes when we're doing Uncloaked, I find people actively avoid talking to
01:36me full stop.
01:37Yes.
01:37Because they don't want to read into anything I say.
01:39No, that's exactly right.
01:41Can I get a sense of how you felt watching that final back?
01:45I...
01:46My makeup's deeply smudged, even more than usual.
01:49I found it very emotional.
01:51The last three days were very emotional, because Mina went, and then Charlotte was brilliant, utterly brilliant.
02:02Freddie didn't want to be a traitor, and he was amazing.
02:06And then Alexander and Frankie, and then the winners, and I tell you who we really missed in there.
02:14We, and I'm not just saying it because he's over there, we missed Joe.
02:18Because Joe got rid of any tension.
02:21Just when it was like, oh, I can't breathe, Joe would say, Lisa, could you ask upstairs?
02:27Like, that's not his voice.
02:28But Joe brilliantly just cut through everything, and then with him gone the last couple of days was very emotional
02:37and very tense.
02:38Yeah, sometimes you need that release valve, don't you?
02:40We just needed him.
02:41Yeah.
02:43Now, we're going to be chatting to Charlotte and Frankie shortly about the seer power.
02:47Obviously, something new for the series.
02:49How excited about that were you when they told you that was going to happen?
02:53Well, the people who make the show, they are geniuses.
02:55They're so clever, and they said it to me, and I was like, what?
02:59And I need to ask Francesca, actually, because when we were in that room, I, and she was choosing,
03:06and going between this person and that person, then when she chose, I could hear my own heartbeat.
03:12I could hear it. It was so intense.
03:17And what are the chances she chooses her best friend, just for affirmation, just like, now I'll know.
03:23And us two, what are the chances?
03:26I couldn't believe it.
03:27But, yeah, the people who make the show are so clever.
03:30I thought it was brilliant.
03:30Maybe she was doing it judged on your heartbeat.
03:34That would be very bad, because my whole job is to try and give nothing.
03:39Really?
03:40How do you think Frankie and Charlotte both played that moment?
03:43I thought they played it, if this isn't too weird a word, really beautifully,
03:48because they were incredibly close, and such best friends.
03:52They'd looked after each other from the beginning, and they were both in a very difficult situation.
03:58And, I mean, honestly, hats off to both of them.
04:02But I thought Charlotte was so strong and faithful to the game,
04:08because I think anybody else would have gone, oh, never mind.
04:11Yeah.
04:11And she didn't.
04:12It was so beautiful, that scene.
04:14Properly filmic.
04:15Yeah.
04:16Charlotte taking on the role of a mob boss in that moment.
04:18It was incredible.
04:19Which she so isn't.
04:21She's the most adorable creature.
04:23So it was, I thought they both handled it brilliantly.
04:27So another new addition this series was the banished players in the final round table,
04:32not revealing their roles within the game.
04:35Yeah.
04:35What do you make of the new addition?
04:37I love it.
04:38I absolutely love it because, as we've always said,
04:41it's a game of listening to your gut and of instinct.
04:45And then they're second-guessing.
04:48And Leigh-Anne, who I adore, because she played with her entire heart,
04:54with all of the passion, it was going to be life-changing for her.
04:59And, anyway, you could see when I announced that Frankie and Alexandra are faithful,
05:06she's just second-guessing her whole face, her whole demeanour was like,
05:10no, no, no, this is happening to me.
05:13And then he said.
05:14Yeah, it must have been really difficult.
05:14Yeah.
05:15Cast your mind back to episode one, please, Claude.
05:17OK.
05:18Where the first piece of evidence that someone was a traitor
05:20was spotted by one of our winners, Jake.
05:22Mm-hm.
05:23Everyone knows what I'm going to say.
05:25Linda's head turn when you said traitors.
05:27Now, we love Linda on Uncloaked.
05:29I'm obsessed by Linda.
05:30Yes.
05:31Did you see her head turning?
05:33Yeah.
05:33Yeah.
05:34And...
05:36Sure.
05:36And I went, I want to say, babes.
05:40What'd she do?
05:40Eyes down.
05:41Because I literally went traitors.
05:43But because Linda is so...
05:46so well brought up, so just...
05:48Manners was like, mm-hm.
05:49And then, when I said, you'll find your identities later,
05:52she nodded at me.
05:55I'm like, what's she doing?
05:58Uh, but Linda, I'm not...
06:02I'm looking at you now.
06:03You are a gift.
06:05My favourite...
06:06You are.
06:07My...
06:10My favourite thing, because I obsessively watch them all the time.
06:15That sounds creepy, but I do.
06:17Um, upstairs, and my favourite thing was the loudest voice.
06:20Just...
06:21There were just...
06:22You would just hear it.
06:23Who's going to come in at breakfast?
06:25I was like, there she is.
06:27That's my girl.
06:28Well, Claudia, you've entertained us every episode,
06:31and the show would not be the same without you.
06:33Let's have a reminder of some of your highlights.
06:38There she is.
06:41We've taken her up a notch.
06:43Boys, lower me.
06:47It's brutal here, isn't it?
06:49This little game is called Deathmatch.
06:52Alexander and Fosier, your first traitor's breakfast.
06:56Watermelon, pickles, a selection of cheese.
06:59I really hope you like Columbo.
07:01What's Columbo?
07:02Freddie, you're very young.
07:05I've never asked this in this room before.
07:07Ew.
07:07How do you feel about murdering your sister?
07:11What have you got?
07:12No!
07:12No!
07:13You horrid man!
07:16That was very fast.
07:18Like a pony.
07:20Time is ticking!
07:22It's not Eurovision.
07:26First question.
07:27What do you think of my boyfriend?
07:29It's a ten from me.
07:31Players, well done.
07:32You deserve a biscuit.
07:34Go back to the castle.
07:35Can I just say to anybody who's watching,
07:37Alexander is single.
07:40I can't wait for you to find out where Charlotte is from.
07:43Oh, my God!
07:45Nish, nish, nash, nish, nish, nish, nish.
07:53We'll be talking to our winners soon,
07:55but now I'm thrilled to welcome our three runners-up,
07:57Charlotte, Alexander and Frankie!
07:59CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
08:03We are so excited to have you all here
08:06and we'll be speaking to each of you
08:07about your time playing the game.
08:10But The Traitors is famed for its lies and treachery,
08:13but one player decided to take it one step further,
08:17convincing everyone she was, in fact, Welsh.
08:19She kept up for a whole series,
08:21I can barely manage one sentence.
08:22Her fellow players had to find out eventually
08:25and, of course, we had to film their reactions.
08:27Oh!
08:28Oh, God!
08:32We've got a scroll.
08:34Should we find out what it says?
08:35Go for it.
08:35I am ready.
08:37Are you ready?
08:38I don't give my heart a take anymore, man.
08:40I'm nervous.
08:40I'm nervous.
08:45Scared?
08:45Well, yeah.
08:48Charlotte is born and bred in London.
08:51How did she say she's from Wales?
08:52She's from Wales!
08:54Oh!
08:57Do it.
09:00Her Welsh accent is fake!
09:03What?
09:04Why?
09:05Why?
09:06Are you serious?
09:10Oh, my God!
09:11What?
09:12She's not Welsh?
09:16What?
09:20What the hell, Charlotte?
09:22I feel like it must be easier for her to put on the persona
09:25and throw people under the bus as a traitor when everything about her is pretend.
09:30Maybe there's some sort of statistic that the Welsh are more trustworthy.
09:33I don't know.
09:37Why?
09:37Why?
09:38She's been Welsh for weeks.
09:39Does she?
09:40She's been Welsh every day since the train.
09:42She's the most Welsh person I've ever met.
09:45How?
09:47Dare she?
09:48Dare she?
09:49Oh, my God.
09:50It must be like the relief of taking off your bra after a long day.
09:53And she's like, hello!
09:56Hello, governor!
10:06Charlotte, welcome to Uncloaked, first of all.
10:09The Welsh accent, what were you thinking?
10:13I mean, I literally did it on my audition video to try and stand out.
10:18I literally did it, like, you see in episode one, I was like,
10:20hi, I'm Charlotte, I'm from Wales, I'm really great, da-da-da-da-da-da,
10:23and then I was like, I'm actually from London.
10:24And, I mean, it got me on the show.
10:26Yeah, it worked.
10:27And it got you to the end.
10:28And it got me to the end, and it gave me the biggest headache ever.
10:33I thought, especially when I met Ellen in the kitchen on that infamous scene,
10:39I thought, oh, Christ, I can't do this.
10:42Like, I'm done.
10:43But then, I think, when Ellen got banished,
10:46and I thought, okay, the threat's gone.
10:48The immediate threat has been removed.
10:50The actual Welsh person is gone.
10:52I'm going to taper it back a bit.
10:54I thought, no-one's actually going to question how you speak.
10:56Like, really.
10:57Even though it was a bit like, sometimes like this,
10:59and sometimes like this, and, you know, so, yeah.
11:01It would be a mad thing for someone to question, wouldn't it?
11:03Yeah.
11:04Just like, I don't think you're really Welsh.
11:07But also, I mean, I'm not going back and playing the game again,
11:10but maybe it contributed to my getting as far as I did.
11:14I don't know.
11:15Yeah.
11:15We can't do a test.
11:16Who's to know?
11:17But, yeah, something got you very far, and that might have played into it.
11:20Exactly.
11:21Was it more difficult, as well, when you became a traitor,
11:24to have the accent to think about?
11:26No.
11:26Honestly, after about two or three days where I genuinely would go back
11:30to my room at night and sort of have a breakdown and be like,
11:33what am I doing?
11:35I kind of just rolled with it and just thought, right, well,
11:37this is, I've signed on the dotted line here.
11:39I've just got to stick with it.
11:40And then it became me.
11:41I think I've actually seen some of the cuts where I'm speaking
11:43to the camera.
11:44Or even when you came into the tarot.
11:46I actually am still sort of doing my Welsh,
11:49even though I'm meant to be doing this now.
11:50I was getting, my brain was a total mix.
11:53But also, because I think you are so brilliant, and when we met,
11:58you said something about, also, if you're putting on an accent,
12:00it means that you have to, you think before you speak.
12:04So, and you did.
12:06Yeah.
12:06And it sort of stopped you just going straight in.
12:09And that was very clever.
12:10100%.
12:10I think, you know, when we speak normally, we speak fast,
12:14we interject, et cetera.
12:15And with the Welsh, it was honestly like taking on a different language
12:19and I couldn't be as fast with butting in, et cetera.
12:21So, I was a bit more considered before I spoke.
12:25And yeah, maybe that helped.
12:26And also at the round table, which was really good.
12:28Everyone does listen to you.
12:30Everyone's very respectful.
12:31So, that was kind of easier to launch into my monologue, you know.
12:35Here I am at the table, you know.
12:37Oh!
12:37She's doing it now, guys!
12:40But I couldn't keep, like, a really strong values accent.
12:42This was definitely not what you heard on TV.
12:45I had to really taper it back.
12:46I just couldn't do it.
12:47I just couldn't do it for the longevity.
12:49Frankie and Alexander, did you suspect anything?
12:51About Charlotte's accent?
12:53No.
12:54And it's one of those things where, as you say, if you'd raised it
12:56and been like, I actually think your accent may not be real,
12:59I think that would have reflected worse on me than on Charlotte.
13:04Now, we should talk about The Seer, one of the biggest talking points
13:07of that final episode and the whole series.
13:10Charlotte, can you explain what was going through your mind
13:12when Claudia told you that Frankie had picked you?
13:15It was literally horrendous.
13:18Because we'd been sat in the billiards room on the sofa,
13:21sort of essentially all saying, you know, I really hope Frankie picks me
13:25because, you know, it will just prove my faithfulness.
13:28So when you said my name, my immediate reaction was just to beam
13:31and be like, yes, she's picked me, isn't this so great?
13:34Well, I thought that was amazing that your reaction was to smile
13:38because I would have cried and dived through the window.
13:39I mean, I just did that sort of, you just didn't see that bit.
13:43I really, really wanted to just try my best and do it.
13:48But you were amazing, honestly, Charlotte.
13:50And what I said earlier, before you came in,
13:53is anybody else, honestly, anybody else would just give up,
13:57just go, all right, it's done.
13:59And you played, you were a brilliant traitor
14:02and you really played it beautifully.
14:04Thank you, Frankie. You did. You did. You played the game.
14:10Frankie, I do want to know, because that was a very difficult decision
14:13for you on who to bring in and you were torn between Charlotte and Alexander.
14:16What made you settle on Charlotte in the end?
14:18Well, Alexander kind of confused me with the coins
14:21and I was sort of suspicious that he was being nice to me
14:24and giving me coins, and then that kind of threw me.
14:26And then, because Freddie had voted for Charlotte
14:29and I sort of really wanted Charlotte to be a faithful
14:32and that to be affirmed, but then Freddie doing that
14:35and then before he was banished, I thought,
14:37oh, I've just got to just scratch that itch
14:40and find out, kind of hoping that wasn't the case.
14:42But it was. Yeah.
14:45Alexander, can you describe that moment in the breakfast room?
14:48Oh God. Oh God.
14:48When Frankie and Charlotte came in the morning after the SIA meeting.
14:52Yeah. I mean, they were really close.
14:54You guys were really close in the game
14:56and watching them come in with this kind of ice in the room
14:59and they sort of, you know, you could have sort of cut it.
15:02It was just, something was really wrong.
15:04And you could just see that in the way you guys interacted.
15:06And it was silence.
15:07I mean, everybody wanted to know what was the outcome.
15:10And instead what we got was silence and like, you know, Charlotte...
15:13A cup of tea?
15:13Charlotte was like, a cup of tea.
15:14Yeah.
15:15The last question on anyone's mind is, was the Charlotte wanted a cup of tea?
15:19Well, I offered her a cup of tea.
15:20I didn't know what else to say.
15:21I didn't know how to play it.
15:23Obviously, I'd been thinking about it overnight and thinking, you know,
15:26I literally did not know what to do, because I can't just go in and be like,
15:29yeah, I am a traitor, you know, let's just all go home.
15:32Well, I deliberately waited.
15:34You did incredibly well to hold the line.
15:35But I just didn't know what to do.
15:36And it was really hard.
15:37And I think, I kind of wish maybe I should have...
15:40I should have waited for Frankie to speak
15:42and then I could have reacted really shocked.
15:45But then I was like, oh, I just don't know.
15:47And then anyway...
15:48But I like that you took the narrative, you were the one who took the narrative.
15:50Well, I wasn't going to speak.
15:51I was, I just wanted to see what she would say first.
15:54Yeah.
15:54I was like, cup of tea.
15:55And then, come on, Charlotte, say what you're going to say.
15:57You spoke with your eyes, rather.
15:58Oh, very much.
15:59And also into Jake's ear.
16:00Yes, into Jake's ear.
16:01Really close.
16:03There was an amazing shot as well,
16:05when everyone sat around awkwardly during that breakfast,
16:07and you are in the middle, Alexander, still fully eating breakfast.
16:11Maybe everyone thinks this, but in every shot,
16:13I'm sort of quietly eating in the background.
16:16Frankie, did you have a plan for the different scenarios,
16:19whether Charlotte was going to be a traitor or a faithful in that meeting?
16:22No.
16:22No, I didn't.
16:24I just, I was hoping that she was obviously a faithful.
16:27And I just thought, I'm just going to go with it and see what happens.
16:30Kind of just hoping, she's not really going to be one.
16:32I've got this sort of theory, she might be, but she's not really going to be one.
16:36So when I opened the envelope, I was genuinely just like,
16:40and I probably should have had a plan rather than just cry.
16:42But I just was so shocked.
16:45Yeah.
16:45And what about you, Charlotte?
16:47In terms of going, obviously, you're walking to that room,
16:49you know what's going to happen.
16:50Yeah.
16:50Did you have it set in your head on what you were going to say and do?
16:53No, I think, oh, it was just so, I couldn't do anything.
16:57I mean, literally, she's going to say, see, I'm a traitor.
17:00Um, but yeah, I obviously, I did sort of say, I mean,
17:03it comes out so maliciously on the, in the episode, but I kind of,
17:07I think it's because I was honestly feeling so much pressure and like,
17:10kind of on the brink of, I don't know, I weirdly was like smiling
17:13kind of in this menacing way.
17:15But essentially, I was like, you realise I'm a faithful.
17:18Like, I have to play as a faithful.
17:20Like, this is really horrendous for both of us.
17:23Like, actually awful.
17:24Like, it was all, it was really, really not nice.
17:26It wouldn't have been nice with anyone, but especially with Frankie.
17:29And so, yeah, it was just, there was no game plan.
17:32I just had to let her read it.
17:34Well, yeah, I mean, if the game plan was to pick up a flute of champagne
17:36like a sort of badass.
17:38I nailed it.
17:39Yeah.
17:40Uh, Claudia, how did you feel watching that SIA meeting play out?
17:45Um, I, well, I wasn't, obviously, in the room,
17:49on a bean bag, going off, you're going off.
17:52Um, I, I couldn't believe it.
17:55And I was saying earlier, Francesca,
17:57that when you and I were standing in that room,
18:00and I just thought Charlotte, I thought there's no way you're
18:02going to pick Charlotte, because she was your best friend.
18:04And then when you went with that, I was so worried,
18:07because I could hear, I could hear my blood going round my body.
18:11I could hear my heartbeat.
18:13I was like, huh, my, like, my only job is to give nothing away.
18:16That and make myself orange, my only two things.
18:19And I, yeah, I couldn't, I couldn't, I just, you couldn't write it.
18:23How was that final day for you, Frankie?
18:26Because, obviously, you and Charlotte were very close,
18:28and then you had the SEA meeting.
18:30How was it battling against Charlotte?
18:32Oh, it was horrid.
18:33But it was, strangely, it kind of made me really focused as well,
18:36rather than kind of, because I knew I kept on getting things wrong.
18:38And I thought, right, I actually have some information here.
18:41And so, I think I cried less than I did every day.
18:44And I think I just was like, I've just got to tell the truth.
18:47That's my only mission today, is to tell the truth.
18:50And if it goes my way, it goes mine if it doesn't.
18:52But it was really difficult, because I kind of felt like
18:55we were sort of scrabbling around, you know,
18:56in kind of weird mud wrestling kind of thing,
18:59like flinging mud at each other.
19:00But neither of us won, and we just kind of got muddy.
19:03I mean, it's just, you know, it was just like, it was just weird.
19:05It was just sort of a situation that you never envisage happening.
19:09And have you, you've made up now, all friends again?
19:11Yeah, we're always friends.
19:13Yeah, yeah.
19:14And they made it to the end.
19:15Yeah.
19:16Yeah, we made it to the end.
19:17It's really hard, I would say, as a traitor,
19:19because when you were playing a traitor, and anyone else
19:21that's, you know, ever been a traitor, it's, you know,
19:23it is a game.
19:24So you're deceiving people, and you are lying,
19:26but no one knows.
19:27But in this instance, Frankie knew.
19:29So it felt ever so slightly less fun for me, you know,
19:33because I'm just lying, and someone knows I'm lying.
19:36You know, so when we had that moment in the kitchen,
19:38and it was just kind of weird, like the two of us
19:40just took ourselves away, but it was like,
19:42well, you literally know, I literally know.
19:44I'm really glad.
19:45You kind of just got to let the other three sort it out.
19:46It was just a bit weird, you know.
19:49So, yeah, it was hard, but obviously, yeah.
19:51I'm really glad we had the moment in the kitchen,
19:53because it's sort of...
19:54I think we were getting so tense throughout that day,
19:56and then we just slightly reconnected as friends,
19:59and I was like, I know why you're doing this.
20:00You know why I'm doing this.
20:02And then we'll go back to the game.
20:03It really made me cry.
20:05I was watching upstairs.
20:06I watched...
20:06I mean, I can't cry now,
20:08but I was watching you both in the kitchen.
20:09I was like...
20:10I mean, it'd help our ratings if you had little.
20:13LAUGHTER
20:15Alexander, you didn't buy into Charlotte's story
20:17after the CRM.
20:18You weren't ever wavering,
20:20and you actually suspected that Charlotte might have been a traitor
20:23after Freddie was banished.
20:25Why was that?
20:25Why did you suspect her?
20:27Charlotte and Frankie and I were quite close for that period,
20:31and that morning when Freddie came in,
20:34Charlotte kind of turned on me a little bit,
20:36and I was like, actually, I don't know,
20:38Alexander, I'm starting to think maybe it's you,
20:40and I was like, no, no, there's a...
20:44We're too close for you to just turn like that.
20:47There is a...
20:47It's a behaviour I haven't seen before.
20:49You would have talked to me quietly or something,
20:52but this is a...
20:53This is a play.
20:55And from that moment, I was sure,
20:56and that's when I took you into the library and...
20:58It was so intense.
20:59I kind of tried this version of the Spanish Inquisition.
21:01It wasn't very effective.
21:02And then I actually...
21:03Was that the nodding?
21:04Yeah, there was a...
21:04Oh, my gosh.
21:05I never want to be interrogated by Alexander again.
21:08I mean, I know I'm a traitor at this point,
21:10but I go into the village room...
21:12It wasn't even very effective.
21:12What was it that I said?
21:14Alexander's behaving erratically.
21:16Erratically.
21:17Alexander's behaving erratically.
21:18And then I think I said to Freddie,
21:19I was like, oh, Freddie, could you go and tell Frankie?
21:22Thinking that Freddie would be my sort of...
21:23my line of truth.
21:24So that was ineffective.
21:27And he was also a traitor.
21:30Now, Leanne and Jake will be here shortly
21:33with their exclusive first interview since winning.
21:35But before that, we've got to discuss
21:37the train ride in episode one,
21:39the final mission,
21:40and the thrilling end game.
21:42But first, here on Uncloaked,
21:43we like to bring you exclusive moments.
21:45So here is Frankie and Alexander
21:46finding out whether the four other finalists
21:48were faithful or traitors
21:50after they'd left the game.
21:51This is great.
21:58Charlotte Trayton.
22:00Alexander faithful.
22:04Leanne faithful.
22:07Jake faithful.
22:10Oh, that's good.
22:14That's great.
22:16I feel bad for Alexander.
22:20Oh, wow.
22:30That is brilliant.
22:33That is absolutely brilliant.
22:37We were all bloody faithfuls.
22:42I guess we didn't trust each other enough.
22:44Oh, there's a real...
22:46I think it's called The Prisoner's Dilemma, isn't it?
22:48Almost everybody goes for each other
22:50without needing to.
22:51That's very funny.
22:58Absolutely amazing.
22:59What a reaction from you, Alexander.
23:01Yeah.
23:01It's kind of the story of the game.
23:02I've watched it on subtitles a couple of times,
23:04and at the bottom,
23:04when I fell into the hedge,
23:05it says,
23:06Alexander cackles.
23:07And I feel like that's a sort of repeating theme,
23:09Alexander cackles.
23:11Sometimes I felt like everyone else was
23:13so, like, super invested,
23:15and not that you weren't super invested,
23:16but sometimes you just felt like
23:17someone watching the show.
23:19You were so excited.
23:19Yeah.
23:20I was watching other people play the show.
23:23But I really always felt like it was a game,
23:25and I really loved that.
23:26And you know that you may not make it to the next day,
23:28so you sort of put everything into that day.
23:31And the first day I was in there,
23:32I sort of went for a walk around the castle grounds
23:34just in case I didn't come back.
23:36I always felt that sense that each day was very special.
23:38And I just loved playing.
23:40You seemed quite surprised there, again,
23:42that Leanne was a faithful.
23:44You always sort of maintained that Leanne was a traitor.
23:47Why did you have such strong suspicions about her?
23:50It was a mix.
23:51I mean, you can remember back,
23:52but voting patterns with Mina were really close.
23:56Her reactions, I just didn't understand some things.
23:58The stories about the Shields and always being murdered.
24:02I just put it together,
24:03and I had this brilliant story in my head.
24:06I remember having, like, a notepad at night,
24:08and I'd sort of make the connections.
24:09I was like, I've been a genius.
24:11I've seen things that no one else has seen,
24:13and I've put all the evidence together,
24:14and I've got the line between it,
24:15and, like, this is a walk in the park.
24:17And I was so, so wrong.
24:20Which is always a risk of going hard on a theory.
24:23So I'm sorry, Leanne.
24:25But not to put any spoilers on, but it kind of worked out.
24:28I feel slightly less bad, but I do feel bad about that.
24:31Frankie, now some time's passed,
24:33how does it feel knowing that, in the end,
24:35it was four faithfuls battling each other?
24:37I think it's the same, sort of, as I said then,
24:40when I found out we just didn't trust each other enough.
24:42I think the seer was so divisive
24:44that we all kind of just got in this sort of fever dream spin
24:48and started turning on each other.
24:50And I was so shocked by Charlotte
24:52that the only person I was clear about was Leanne.
24:55And so, unfortunately, for Alexander and Jake,
24:57I just couldn't see it.
24:59I just wasn't going to see it,
25:00because I thought, you know, Charlotte likes Jake,
25:02and, you know, she sort of said that he's faithful,
25:06and then Alexander at the round table.
25:08I just got so confused.
25:10I was like, I'm just going to focus on Leanne.
25:12But I was wrong completely, that, you know, everyone was faithful.
25:16Well, what I do want to talk to you about,
25:17because you were incredible, is the final mission.
25:21Because I think we could all maybe picked up a slight sense
25:23that you were nervous about being dragged on.
25:26Really?
25:27What gave that away?
25:28Are you proud of yourself for doing it?
25:30Yes, I'm not...
25:31I sort of watched it back, and I was like,
25:33I can't believe I did that.
25:35I mean, my children will say
25:36that I don't even go on the teacups at the fairgrounds.
25:39I literally can't.
25:41And I always have to sit at the front of the car.
25:42I have terrible motion sickness, hate heights.
25:45It is literally my worst nightmare.
25:46So not something you'd try again, then?
25:48No, no.
25:50You've not asked Leanne to put a word in for you with the army.
25:52No, no, it's not.
25:55Now, Alexander, I want to talk to you about the first episode
25:58and the infamous train ride.
26:00You obviously made the heroic decision to leave the train.
26:03Heroic, you did.
26:03One question.
26:04Yeah.
26:05Why?
26:06That's probably the right question.
26:09Part of me was just, it was a kind of emotional reaction.
26:12Someone needed to solve the problem, and I felt like I could,
26:14and I was slightly frustrated.
26:15Nobody was.
26:16So there's a sort of element of sort of righteous indignation
26:18where you're like, right, I'm going to sort of self-sacrifice
26:21just to make a point.
26:23So there's a little bit of that.
26:24But I also thought about it quite hard.
26:26I remember listening to the wording really carefully
26:27of your announcement on the train,
26:29and I thought there's some wiggle room there.
26:31And I also thought no one, you know,
26:34obviously you've watched the series before,
26:35and I thought no one's ever been,
26:37no one's ever left unless they've been murdered or banished,
26:39and this is neither.
26:39Mm-hmm.
26:40And I also always felt that the first episodes
26:43are kind of risky.
26:45You don't know who's going to be thrown out.
26:47And if I came back in with this story
26:50that I'd done something for the group, for the team,
26:53that would be a good story.
26:55It sort of worked out.
26:57Sort of.
26:58I did come back in.
26:59I did, thank goodness, get back into the game,
27:00but it was a pretty choppy ride from there.
27:02Well, Jack got off because he needed the toilet,
27:04so I think you...
27:05Yes, so my reasoning looks great, yeah.
27:08Claudia, I believe you have an apology to make to Alexander
27:11about something you said about him.
27:13Well, yes, I'm so sorry that I reported to the group
27:17that you were single because I'm...
27:19Because I have had more messages...
27:22Yeah, well...
27:23The gang.
27:24Yeah.
27:25The nice people who are watching.
27:27The nice people who are watching.
27:29But I have had more messages about you.
27:32You are...
27:32You're king.
27:34You can...
27:34He is, right?
27:38More messages from friends of mine who are like,
27:40define single.
27:42Right?
27:43All my divorced friends of WhatsApp me.
27:45Yeah.
27:45Can I have his number?
27:46Yeah, yeah.
27:47What does he smell like?
27:49Like, dude.
27:52Divine.
27:53No one wants to.
27:53Please don't ask me that.
27:56You were clearly quite fond of Alexander in there, Claudia,
27:59because obviously great faithful but many entertaining moments.
28:02Do you have a particular favourite of Alexander's moments?
28:06When he ran like a pony.
28:07Yeah.
28:09No, I...
28:10I love all of them so much when I'm in there
28:13and I can't be with them all the time and Sarah is my boss.
28:17Whenever I get close, she's just like, back away!
28:19OK.
28:20OK.
28:20Not like that, but in a kinder way.
28:22But, yeah.
28:23I thought Alexander, Fozier and Jack all for getting off the train.
28:27I mean, they did a stellar job with that.
28:30Absolutely.
28:30They did it fast without thinking.
28:31Well, look, you've all been fantastic players.
28:34Absolutely loved watching you.
28:35Thank you so much for all of the entertainment you've provided.
28:37You've been incredible.
28:38Massive round of applause for Charlotte, Alexander and Frankie.
28:46Well, the time has come to finally hear from our winners, Jake and Leigh-Anne.
28:52Here's the moment the faithful won the game.
28:55We're now going to finally discover who you really are.
29:01Please don't let me down.
29:05Leigh-Anne, please reveal, are you a faithful
29:10or are you a traitor?
29:14I am a faithful.
29:19Jake.
29:20Yep.
29:21Please, now reveal.
29:23Are you a faithful or are you a traitor?
29:28I am.
29:30And I have always been...
29:32Oh, God.
29:35...a faithful.
29:38ujur about we...
29:40You are who like.
29:54I am.
29:57Come on, Jake.
29:59Oh my God, Charlotte.
30:00What the hell?
30:05and our faithful champions are here
30:11congratulations to both of you what an incredible game
30:14how does it feel reliving that moment oh feels yeah it feels surreal yeah like
30:19it's so emotional you were so mean to do that
30:23do you know what i just thought after all that stress
30:26i just thought it'd be funny
30:29and i just thought if it was anyone but leanne i probably wouldn't have done it
30:32and but as soon as i started doing it and i could see how angry she was getting i thought
30:36she's gonna come punch me in a minute just because my original my original thought was
30:40to keep it going longer and longer and longer it felt like a lifetime
30:45did you genuinely have suspicions at the end there leanne that yeah i thought especially when claudia
30:50revealed that we were all faithfuls at the end my heart was shattered and then i look at jake
30:57and he's like this and i'm like i've made the biggest mistake of my life and i was just yeah
31:05i mean it was it was an absolutely incredible final moment and yeah thank thank you for doing
31:09a bit of trolling because i think i think we all enjoyed it um we've got to rewind to that
31:13first
31:13round table jake where you spotted linda sorry to bring it up again linda where you spotted linda
31:20turn her head to claudia saying traitors take us back to that moment and what was going through
31:25your mind well first of all i was like blinded by your blindfolds on for so long like i couldn't
31:31see and as soon as i got my eyesight i just just clocked to industry where i couldn't believe my
31:36eyes i thought is the game that easy and i was expecting like everyone to just pick up on it
31:43yeah
31:43and then everyone was like oh no like it's just linda and i'm like it's not just linda but the
31:50thing
31:50about linda is she just reminded me of my like my nana you know when you start you wind your
31:53nana
31:53up about stuff like i almost didn't want to vote for her because i just i loved that whole like
31:58cat and mouse thing i had with her so it was a strange one really now obviously you did have
32:05that theory but it seemed like everyone forgot about it a little bit during the game um and that
32:10was the only bit of hard evidence anyone had really for the for the faithful this year was it
32:14frustrating when so few people were considering linda when you were had your eyes set on her so much it
32:18was
32:18very frustrating i i just felt like i just i got so infuriating in my own head thinking like no
32:26one's listening to me and then more and more people are getting banished and i thought it's just surely
32:31now just the time it's gonna go back onto linda oh no we'll go we'll go down and it's like
32:35people
32:36listen to me like i've got something here but yeah finally people did clutch you know clutch on but
32:42it was frustrating it just felt like it felt like i was speaking but no no voice like i was
32:47just miming
32:48like i mean that is similar to how i think we were all feeling at home as well going how
32:52is linda
32:53getting away with this but but also going she did yeah also going yeah go on another another episode
32:59linda please i mean how come you guys didn't listen to jake this is this is the time we can
33:03settle some
33:04scores here jake i just didn't see it well i didn't see the head turn position on the table but
33:09i just
33:09linda just had me the whole time i know the rest of the nation like what you didn't vote for
33:15her
33:15did you never once because i did towards the end i think i voted for linda twice and like the
33:20second
33:20time obviously she got banished but it became clear to me not because of any head turn but the voting
33:25was
33:25very erratic and um and things like when i think she pushed it back on you and then there was
33:31another
33:31issue oh i think it's you joe actually because you've you've questioned me so i'm going to question you
33:37i think as well like so much happens in a day there and literally with a click of a finger
33:42everything changes and the suspicions change onto somebody else i think it got easier for linda as
33:46the days went on because linda is very dramatic so i think people people just started to think oh it's
33:52just linda like watching it back i'm thinking like it's so obvious but when she's saying like who the
33:58hell's not going to come back it's like that's just linda even then when you said linda was dramatic
34:03you might not have seen this linda went really um leanne now obviously from the start you decided
34:11to pretend you're a nail technician and not admit that you're an ex-soldier how easy or difficult was
34:17it to keep up that lie honestly it was harder than i thought as soon as i stepped on the
34:21platform i had
34:22fosier asking me to do her nails and i was just like yeah yeah of course and honestly the amount
34:28of
34:28conversations people would have with me about being a nail technician threw me i really thought
34:33like honestly i just didn't think it would be um a topic of conversation linda sorry lisa one day
34:42broke a nail and she came to me and she's like leanne can you fix my nails i was like
34:48yeah of course
34:48i'll bring my kit in tomorrow she would remember the next day she was like leanne where's your kit
34:52i was like oh i'm so sorry lisa and i was losing sleep at night not because i thought i
34:57was gonna get
34:57murdered but because of lisa's fingernail the other thing that i loved is during the missions you are
35:05so strong and so fit and i think it was when she when you were putting coins in to get
35:10the cages down
35:11and leanne is running i don't know whether you ever anyway it was like a cartoon you didn't see her
35:17legs
35:17move like i'm not sweating hair in a high pony don't worry i've got it i've got the call and
35:22i was
35:23like easy easy but when she carried the heads up as well like oh she carried all of joe and
35:29i to do
35:29one and leanne's just like on her shoulder okay but again you can't ask can you you can't say a
35:34nail
35:35technician wouldn't be that strong well your fellow finalists might not have clocked on but let's see the
35:40moment the other players found out your true identity
35:49mina i have a scroll that contains a secret oh don't about one of our players i've got anxiety
35:56i'm more nervous about this than finding out who the traitors were oh a secret open this bad boy up
36:03and just the next one please be nice leanne isn't a nail technician what is she now don't say she's
36:13a
36:13friggin surgeon oh she's really an army soldier
36:24i'm actually not surprised at that she smashed that oh my god at the mission there was a point
36:31i was thinking so calm down calm down please yeah because i can't catch up with you right
36:36about now and it's looking embarrassing for me let me see this i don't know what i'm more confused
36:43of her real job or the job she was saying she had amazing did you did you do any research
36:54before
36:55going in there did you sort of build your part extensive research yeah like down to how much i
36:59would charge for a set of acrylics literally um my partner's sister owns a salon down the road with
37:05her best friend so i'm in there all the time like all the time i literally feel like i work
37:10there so
37:10i just thought do you know what i know it like the back of my hands this is something that
37:13i can get
37:13away with and well you did yeah yeah uh let's rewind to the beginning of tonight's final uh when we
37:20saw
37:20frankie and charlotte walk into breakfast jake frankie whispered in your ear that charlotte was a traitor
37:26what went through your mind at that moment did you maybe think she'd whispered traitor because
37:30you'd had the last croissant i just felt panic because i just i wasn't expecting it and i just i
37:38it was so much easier i just said oh yeah shout out to fearful but when she said traitor i
37:43just thought
37:43and then because she's whispered to my ear i just i felt like what what now what do i do
37:48now and it just
37:49yeah it just stressed me out how i mean obviously that was a very tense moment and claudia you then
37:54had to walk into the breakfast and be easy breezy well because they'd made it to the final and
38:00look at them they're fantastic and i have enormous respect for each of them individually and i i didn't
38:08know which way it was going to go but you also have to you know you made it to the
38:11last day and look at our
38:13make every single person in our cast were extraordinary we lost them one by one so you
38:18still want to celebrate that i can't go in going guys i know things attend um you seem to come
38:25in
38:25even bigger this time though i did because it was the final day yeah there are certain rules final
38:29day upbeat first rule can i just apologize to yin you have to drop the portrait there are it's a
38:35it's yeah it's law uh now leanne and alexander we're gonna we're gonna have to thrash this out
38:41now obviously both very suspicious of each other all the way through how's it been watching it back
38:47knowing that you are both faithful oh i've been screaming at myself at the tv every single night
38:53it's a hard watch isn't it and we were so blinded by our distrust in each other when really if
38:58we
38:58worked together we could have done really really well and there were times that we almost managed it
39:04that's that that's on the sofa where you sort of saw us us sort of briefing against each other
39:08the night and then we came to the sofa we looked at this is getting a bit silly let's actually
39:11have
39:11a chat and we looked at each other and we're like maybe we're both wrong yeah and we chat and
39:15there
39:15was a couple of other chats like that and we just kept going and almost getting it right
39:18and then failing again and it was such a shame because you watch the tv now and you're like what
39:23am i
39:23too yeah literally um but it's quite sorry go on no go on you're okay i was gonna say it's
39:27quite nice
39:28because we've kind of been in touch a little bit during them being like oh i know i'm so sorry
39:31i know
39:31and it's actually it's actually rather nice and kind of bonding this side of it yeah and i think
39:36it's just so intense like and the thing is me and alexander got on like a house on fire
39:42and we really had so many laughs together it's just in the game we just we couldn't make it work
39:47couldn't make it work but also it's so easy when you know yeah i would say that to everybody
39:53you know my friends who are like can't they i'm like it's super easy at home it's just not
39:59when you're in there you are absolutely you know you're playing the game of your life and you
40:05have to get it right but my favorite moment is these two even though they would war um leanne would
40:11always go up and hug alexander after oh that's love you watch it all she'd always just go yeah
40:16all right and they just went up to him there's one round table she's like yeah okay
40:20you know promise i'm a lover not a fighter yeah and it's actually really nice because underneath
40:24that i think we have a really strong relationship so it wasn't sort of we just dislike each other it's
40:28almost because we have a strong relationship that it was quite fiery yeah but actually one of the
40:34really nice things this side of it is is actually without that game it's actually been really nice
40:39sort of getting to know each other more so that that's been really good yeah it's like a sibling
40:42rivalry at christmas really like yeah a bad relationship you look at it yeah my husband
40:48jake and leon rivalry jake and leon how how does it feel being the last faithful standing oh it feels
40:56amazing but then they also feel really bad because to find out obviously that alexander and uh frankie
41:02were both fearful it almost like it feels like i've i've robbed robbed them in a way so i'm really
41:08happy
41:08but also i'm really sad because um i do feel like they both deserved the money as well yeah i
41:15think
41:15it feels hard to celebrate i think because the fact that there was four faithfuls in the end is just
41:21sickening and well look you all all five of you played a brilliant game and we loved watching thank
41:27you for keeping us so entertained you're all incredible well done uh can i get a massive round
41:32of applause for our finalist winners claudia and all the players from series three
41:39the chat continues in your bbc sounds bonus episode with more from charlotte alexander frankie
41:46jake leanne and our claude we'll be hearing whether our finalists wanted to be traitors or faithful
41:51plus we'll be lifting the lid on life after the traitors and finding out about the post-game
41:56friendships amongst the players that's in your bbc sounds app right now so scan the qr code on your
42:01screen to get your ears around that if you're watching this and thinking oh i can lie about my
42:06job dangle from a helicopter or look someone in the eye during a tense end game then good news
42:11casting for series four is still open head to bbc.co.uk forward slash take part to apply
42:16applications are closing soon who knows next year you could be sat right here explaining why you'd
42:21spent your time in the castle pretending to be french and if you're already getting traitors
42:27withdrawal symptoms don't panic as we've got you covered the first five episodes of the traitors
42:32us series three are available to binge on iplayer now with new episodes dropping weekly from next
42:38friday so there we have it 25 players five traitors two equally believable welsh accents one badly timed
42:46head turn and more misspelled names than i can count thank you for watching this series of uncloaked
42:51to pinch one of claudia's lines the time for talk is now over i'm ed gamble stay faithful
43:08with 20 games to test your own cunning logic and intuition the traitors book is available to buy now
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