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00:14Bom dia, é friday, 27 de februário.
00:18Eu sou Mave MacMahan e esse é Europe Today.
00:21O seu dia de dose de news e análise, live aqui no Euronews.
00:26Coming up, Viktor Orban has sent a letter to Brussels.
00:30The Hungarian Prime Minister has told EU Council President António Kosta
00:34that he understands he caused, quote,
00:36political difficulties this week when he vetoed a €90 billion loan for Ukraine.
00:42He says he's open to, quote, finding practical solutions.
00:46Hungary wants the EU to send a fact-finding mission to the Druskva pipeline
00:50at the centre of a political storm.
00:52For more on this moving story, I'm joined here in the studio
00:55by our EU news editor, Maria Tadeo.
00:57So tell us about this letter.
00:59Good morning, yes.
00:59It's a letter that adds some nuance now to the spat, of course,
01:03which is now escalating in European politics.
01:06Yesterday, in public, Prime Minister Orban,
01:09in the context, of course, of an election,
01:11it's important to remember the Hungarians were head to the polls
01:13in April once again attacked President Zelensky,
01:17saying that he is flat-out lying, that the pipeline is not broken,
01:20that as a result of the halt in transit,
01:24that means that energy prices could go up
01:26and the Hungarian people will be punished for it.
01:28Of course, he also said that he is going to reinforce security
01:31around strategic assets.
01:33We should note that Ukraine has not attacked Hungary directly
01:37or indirectly, even during the war.
01:39But of course, all of this is being played up
01:40in the context of this election.
01:42Having said that, behind the scenes,
01:44Orban did send a letter to Antonio Costa,
01:46which we have here,
01:48in which he acknowledges, as you said,
01:51that this Hungarian double veto
01:53has created political difficulties for the EU.
01:56Remember, there is a sanctions package
01:58against Russia at play,
02:00but also a loan to which Hungary will not participate
02:04and has no financial obligation to
02:05that is being blocked by Budapest too.
02:08So in this letter, he says Hungary is ready
02:11to constructively engage in all efforts
02:13to return the transfer of oil to Budapest.
02:18He also says that Hungary supports
02:19the idea of a fact-finding mission.
02:22This is not surprising because, of course,
02:24Euronews this week, we reported
02:26that this was an idea floated already on the Monday
02:29that inspectors could go on site
02:31just to check out and figure out
02:33what's going on with this pipeline.
02:35The Hungarians suggest that experts
02:37that are delegated, so vetoed in some way
02:41by Slovakia and Hungary,
02:43could go and see exactly what is the status
02:45of the Durshba pipeline.
02:47It seems like a possible solution,
02:49but I should note that the Ukrainians
02:52were not very keen at the start of this week.
02:55They said they needed to ask for permission.
02:57Certainly, the Ukrainian foreign minister
02:58told that in a meeting on Monday.
03:01And, of course, this is an active war zone.
03:02It's not clear that Ukraine would allow this
03:05immediately, considering, obviously,
03:07the complexities and the complications
03:09on the ground.
03:10So, OK, but then what, Maria?
03:11Well, that's a very good question.
03:13Well, there's two focus points at this point.
03:15One is to look at the alternatives.
03:17And Croatia is emerging as a big player.
03:20Obviously, it's a big business opportunity
03:21for the country, the transport of oil.
03:25The Croatian operator, Jana, have said this week
03:27that it has capacity to supply
03:29both Hungary and Slovakia.
03:31They also say that seven tankers
03:33will get to Hungary by the end of April.
03:36But there is a catch.
03:37All of this is non-Russian oil.
03:40And for the Hungarians, that's a problem
03:42because they won't pay the price.
03:43They pay for Russian oil,
03:44which is cheaper to some of the alternatives
03:46in the market.
03:48At this point, the Croatians,
03:49they say they need to figure out
03:51whether or not they can carry even Russian oil
03:54because there are sanctions in place
03:55from both the EU and the US.
03:57The other point, perhaps, is money.
03:59The Hungarians have applied for a loan
04:01for defence to the EU.
04:03Most of the funding is frozen, of course,
04:05because of the issues over rule of law.
04:07So perhaps if they get an indication
04:08that money could flow,
04:10they could step back from this maximalist position.
04:12OK, Maria, you mentioned as well Croatia.
04:14You'll have an exclusive interview
04:15with the Prime Minister Plankovic right here
04:16on your play on Monday.
04:18So stay tuned for that.
04:19Maria, thank you so much for those details.
04:21Well, this Hungarian veto
04:22and, of course, the ongoing war in Ukraine
04:24is making EU leaders nervous this week,
04:26especially given the full-scale war
04:28has now entered its fifth year.
04:30For the view from Estonia,
04:31a country that borders Russia,
04:33I sat down with Prime Minister Christian Mihal,
04:35a fluent Russian speaker.
04:36I started by asking him
04:37why Vladimir Putin was agreeing to peace talks
04:40while bombing civilian infrastructure in Ukraine.
04:43It's like riding a bike,
04:45being a dictator,
04:46that when you stop,
04:47you will fall away.
04:48That is the same with Vladimir Putin.
04:51For example, everybody in Europe,
04:53and I always remind my colleagues that
04:55right now Putin has more men under the arms
04:57than at the start of the war.
04:59If we would stop right now,
05:01and he would stop right now killing
05:03women and children in Ukraine,
05:06then what to do with those guys?
05:08They need medical assistance,
05:09but they have to glorify this hero in Russia.
05:11And they will come all over the Europe and so on.
05:14So we will have everybody problems in Russia
05:16and also domestic security problems.
05:18And the Americans, of course,
05:19are leading these peace talks.
05:21Do you think they're mindful of the fact
05:23that Ukraine cannot budge on their red lines?
05:26It used to be like a 28 points plan
05:28to the Thanksgiving.
05:30Right now it's something all different already.
05:33Europe stepping up,
05:34having 90 billions,
05:35funding Ukraine changed the game.
05:38But we don't have 90 billions.
05:40It's frozen.
05:40We will have,
05:42because meeting Ursula von der Lai
05:44and Antonia Costa,
05:45they have different plans
05:47how to deliver the money.
05:48And just in Kiev,
05:49they also said that they have plans.
05:51What are these plans?
05:53They will tell.
05:54Are they going to work?
05:55I hope so.
05:55Because to be honest,
05:57if Europe cannot make
05:58this kind of big decisions,
06:00which affect our security,
06:03then probably there will be
06:04many discussions about
06:05how Europe will decide things altogether.
06:08will there be some kind of enhanced cooperation,
06:10how it will go?
06:11But are we on plan C now?
06:12Because, of course,
06:13we spent months talking as well
06:14about the frozen Russian assets.
06:15They're off the table now.
06:16The Belgians have said so.
06:17So and so,
06:18because they are not off the table.
06:20They are still frozen,
06:21which is a good thing,
06:22because I can remember back
06:26each six months
06:27we had to roll over the sanctions,
06:29say, keep them frozen.
06:30But right now,
06:31they are frozen permanently,
06:32which is a good thing.
06:34But we need to deliver
06:35this 90 billion.
06:36We decided,
06:37and to be honest,
06:38we decided
06:39everybody was in this room.
06:41Orbán was in this room.
06:42Vico was in this room.
06:43Babis was in this room.
06:46They decided to opt out,
06:47but we still decided.
06:49So do you feel they're treasers,
06:50one hungry is treasers,
06:51for doing this?
06:51For a long time,
06:52I don't understand
06:53Viktor Orbán's position,
06:54but he exactly knows
06:55that nobody understands
06:56his position
06:57to have this kind of idea
06:59that we should ask
07:00for European security
07:02from a dictator
07:03from Russia.
07:04And are you being tough enough
07:05on him in these meetings?
07:07Everybody's been tough enough
07:08on him in this meeting
07:10and outside these meetings.
07:11But going forward,
07:12how do you deal
07:12with these vetoes
07:13in the future?
07:14We'll see how it goes,
07:15because I have the feeling
07:17there's probably
07:17a couple of lines
07:18everybody's right now
07:19waiting in Europe.
07:20The first one is
07:21how Hungarian elections
07:23will go.
07:24Everybody knows that
07:25that can be a game changer.
07:27And the second thing
07:28is that there's also
07:30different kind of talks
07:31of how to change
07:33the deciding mechanisms,
07:34because, for example,
07:36on the economic side,
07:37Mario Draghi
07:37and his report said
07:38that we need
07:39more central deciding,
07:41more federalization.
07:42But on the security side,
07:43maybe some kind
07:45of enhanced cooperation
07:45to pull in Norway,
07:47UK, Canada,
07:48Iceland,
07:49these kind of countries
07:50which we need.
07:51One final question
07:52on the transatlantic bond,
07:54which is, of course,
07:54very important
07:55for both Brussels
07:55and DC,
07:57but it's going through
07:57a bit of a rift.
07:58How bad is it?
07:59Tough to say,
08:00because on the one side,
08:03which Trump
08:03had the message
08:05that Europe
08:06should invest more
08:08in security,
08:10because Europe
08:10is a very free
08:12and wealthy neighborhood.
08:14And that's to my liking,
08:15to be honest,
08:16not the wording,
08:16but also the message
08:17that we should be able
08:19to keep ourselves
08:20the way we like it.
08:21Estonia is behaving
08:22accordingly,
08:23because we have,
08:24this year,
08:25we have our defense
08:25expenditure 5.4% of GDP.
08:28This is a very tough
08:30thing to achieve.
08:31This is not easy.
08:32But at the same time,
08:33I know that
08:34my grandchildren
08:35will live in peace,
08:36because our neighbor
08:37knows that we take
08:38ourselves also seriously.
08:39So if whole Europe
08:41would behave this way,
08:42I would say that
08:43we are better off
08:44in 5, 7, 10 years.
08:47But at the same time,
08:48the rhetorics
08:49that Europe is
08:50decaying gold
08:51and so and so
08:52and not free,
08:54this is not serious,
08:55because if you look
08:56at different indexes,
08:57we are among
08:58the freest nations
08:59in the world.
09:03Estonian Prime Minister
09:04Christian Mihal there.
09:05And the ongoing war
09:06in Ukraine
09:07and the spat
09:07over the Drespa pipeline
09:09is also under discussion
09:10over at NATO this week.
09:11Secretary-General
09:12Marco Lutte
09:13has welcomed
09:13a number of leaders,
09:14including the Lithuanian
09:15Prime Minister
09:16Inge Rugenjene.
09:17Our correspondent
09:18Shona Moore,
09:18Marie, reports
09:19from NATO.
09:20Well, Maeve,
09:21just as the dust
09:22has been relatively
09:23settling here at NATO
09:24in relation to
09:25Donald Trump's claims
09:26last month
09:27that he was going
09:27to take over
09:28Greenland,
09:29a new fissure
09:30has emerged.
09:31as we've seen
09:31Viktor Orban,
09:33the Hungarian
09:33Prime Minister,
09:34saying he's going
09:34to block
09:35a 90 billion euro
09:36loan for Ukraine,
09:37a considerable amount
09:38of which was going
09:38to be spent
09:39on military support.
09:41And I caught up
09:41with Lithuania's
09:42Prime Minister,
09:43Lithuania,
09:43of course,
09:43a frontline state
09:45in all this war,
09:46Inge Rugljene,
09:47and I asked her
09:48about this situation.
09:49When you live,
09:50you know,
09:51in a border
09:51of the European Union,
09:53when you face
09:54off every day
09:55with the threats,
09:57different kind of threats
09:58from balloons
09:59and other things,
10:01when you're fighting
10:02for the security,
10:03not just for Lithuania,
10:05but for whole Europe,
10:06to hear such words
10:09and decisions,
10:11it's nonsense.
10:13So we are worrying
10:15about it,
10:16and I am speaking
10:18about that
10:19in different levels
10:19in the European Union,
10:22that it is unacceptable.
10:24And the European Union
10:26can be strong
10:27if we can have
10:28a strong one voice.
10:31So we have to be,
10:33we have to have ability
10:34to have common decision
10:36in very strategic questions.
10:39When you say
10:39it's nonsense,
10:40are you saying
10:41the whole point
10:43that Orban is making
10:44that Ukraine
10:45is blocking
10:46Hungary's access
10:47to the Druzhba
10:48pipeline,
10:49we know that Russia
10:50bombs the pipeline,
10:51are you saying
10:51it's nonsense
10:52his claims
10:53that Ukraine
10:54isn't fixing it,
10:55isn't bothered
10:56to fix it?
10:57It's almost yes.
10:59And, you know,
11:00for me,
11:01I don't understand
11:02that the person
11:03thinks that
11:04if the war will start
11:05in NATO area
11:07in European Union,
11:09he thinks that
11:10it will not
11:12come to Hungary.
11:14I think it is,
11:15again,
11:16it is,
11:19it is quite
11:21silly,
11:21silly thinking.
11:23So you think
11:23basically,
11:24you know,
11:24Hungary is being
11:25naive here
11:26if he,
11:26if the Hungarian
11:27government
11:28believes that
11:28this war
11:29can't go to Hungary
11:30because it can?
11:31If Russia
11:32will put
11:34a step
11:35into
11:35European Union,
11:37they will go
11:38further.
11:38And we,
11:40as Lithuania,
11:42we have
11:43a big experience
11:44about Soviet Union
11:46times.
11:46We know
11:47how it's,
11:48how you feel
11:49when Russia
11:50comes to your land.
11:51We know
11:52how,
11:52how the life
11:53is going on.
11:54That's why
11:55for us
11:56it's very
11:56sensitive questions.
11:58That's why
11:59we as Lithuania
12:00invest a lot
12:01into defense.
12:02So this year
12:03we have
12:035.38%
12:06of GDP
12:07investments
12:08into defense.
12:09It is a huge
12:10amount.
12:10It is almost
12:1125%
12:13of whole
12:13our budget
12:14because we
12:15understand
12:16that we
12:17don't want
12:17to come back
12:18to that
12:19times,
12:19to that
12:20experience
12:20which we
12:21had in the
12:22past.
12:22Given the
12:22context of,
12:24let's say,
12:24slow Europe
12:25and non-unified
12:27Europe blockages
12:28by Hungary
12:28and the
12:29United States
12:30no longer
12:31supporting
12:32Ukraine
12:32militarily,
12:33does Europe
12:34have the
12:34capabilities
12:35to defend
12:36itself
12:37for a few
12:38years
12:38until it
12:39rebuilds that?
12:40I think
12:41we have to
12:42work
12:42for the
12:44situation
12:44that we
12:45have a
12:46very strong
12:46NATO
12:47alliance
12:50and
12:50we have
12:52to do
12:52everything
12:53to build
12:55a very
12:56strong
12:57relationship
12:58between
12:59America
13:00and
13:00European
13:01Union.
13:01This is
13:02our
13:02top
13:03priority.
13:04Of course,
13:04we can
13:05speak
13:05about
13:06the
13:06worst
13:07plan,
13:09what
13:10it
13:11should
13:11be,
13:12but
13:12the
13:13first
13:14top
13:14priority
13:15should
13:15be
13:16strength
13:17relationship
13:18between
13:20transatlantic
13:20relationship.
13:21But by
13:22the same
13:23time,
13:23we have
13:24to work
13:27within
13:27European
13:28Union
13:29and
13:29strong
13:30unity.
13:32One
13:32voice
13:33is crucial
13:34today.
13:35So it
13:35should be
13:37working
13:38in both
13:38ways.
13:42Shona
13:43Murray
13:43reporting for
13:44us there.
13:44Now moving
13:45on,
13:45in other
13:46news,
13:46the
13:46European
13:46Commission
13:47has
13:47endorsed
13:47a
13:48citizen's
13:48initiative
13:48that
13:49aspires to
13:49guarantee
13:50access to
13:50safe
13:51abortion
13:51for every
13:52woman
13:52in
13:53Europe.
13:53Brussels
13:54says EU
13:54members
13:55may use
13:55EU funds
13:56voluntarily
13:56to
13:57finance
13:57safe
13:57abortions,
13:58but fell
13:59short of
13:59ensuring
13:59access
14:00across
14:00the
14:00EU.
14:01The
14:01campaign
14:02did
14:02manage
14:02though
14:02to
14:02clinch
14:03over
14:031
14:03million
14:04endorsements
14:04and
14:05the
14:05nod
14:05from
14:05the
14:06European
14:06Parliament.
14:06Jakob
14:07Janis
14:07fills
14:07us in.
14:09Over
14:10a million
14:10signatures
14:11are
14:11quite
14:12a number
14:12and
14:13my
14:16them
14:16to
14:16ask
14:17the
14:17European
14:17Commission
14:18for
14:18EU
14:18money
14:19for
14:19accessing
14:20safe
14:20abortions
14:21in
14:21other
14:21member
14:21states.
14:22And
14:22responding
14:23to
14:23this
14:23European
14:24citizens
14:24initiative
14:25yesterday,
14:26the
14:26European
14:27Commission
14:27noted
14:27that
14:28health
14:28policy
14:28is
14:29a
14:29national
14:29matter
14:30and
14:30there
14:30will
14:30be
14:31no
14:31extra
14:31money
14:31allocated.
14:32However,
14:33and
14:33that's
14:34new,
14:34the
14:35member
14:35states
14:35can
14:36voluntarily
14:36use
14:37existing
14:37EU
14:37money
14:38to
14:38cover
14:38the
14:38costs.
14:39But
14:39wait
14:40a
14:40second,
14:40what
14:41is
14:41this
14:41European
14:41initiative
14:43Let's
14:43take
14:43a
14:44look.
14:45This
14:45democratic
14:46tool
14:46allows
14:47everyday
14:47citizens
14:48to
14:48formally
14:49ask
14:49the
14:49EU
14:50to
14:50propose
14:50new
14:51laws,
14:51no
14:51matter
14:52where
14:52they
14:52stand
14:53politically.
14:54However,
14:54to
14:54succeed,
14:55an
14:56initiative
14:56needs
14:56at least
14:57one
14:57million
14:58valid
14:58signatures
14:59from
14:59a
14:59minimum
15:00of
15:00seven
15:01member
15:01states.
15:02And
15:02for
15:03the
15:03My
15:03Voice,
15:03My
15:03Choice
15:04campaign,
15:04organizers
15:05got
15:05over
15:06a
15:06million
15:06verified
15:07signatures
15:07from
15:0819
15:08different
15:08countries.
15:09And
15:10among
15:10them
15:10were
15:10Hungary,
15:11Malta
15:11and
15:11Poland
15:12saw
15:13countries
15:13with
15:13highly
15:14restrictive
15:14abortion
15:15policies.
15:16Then
15:16the
15:17European
15:17Parliament
15:17must
15:18discuss
15:18the
15:19proposal
15:19and
15:20following
15:20that
15:21debate
15:21the
15:21European
15:22Commission
15:22is
15:22legally
15:22bound
15:23to
15:23respond.
15:24And
15:24it
15:24has
15:25then
15:25two
15:25choices
15:26either
15:27propose
15:27a
15:27new
15:27law
15:28or
15:28publicly
15:29explain
15:29why
15:30it
15:30will
15:30not
15:30do
15:30it.
15:31So
15:32is
15:32that
15:32initiative
15:33actually
15:33useful?
15:35The
15:35answer
15:35is
15:35yes
15:36but
15:36it's
15:36not
15:37a
15:37magic
15:37wand.
15:38Campaigns
15:39like
15:39Right
15:39to
15:40Water
15:40have
15:40genuinely
15:41resulted
15:41in
15:42revised
15:42EU
15:43laws
15:43improving
15:44drinking
15:44water
15:45standards.
15:46Yet
15:46only
15:4714
15:47campaigns
15:48or
15:49about
15:491
15:50in
15:5010
15:50have
15:51ever
15:51guarded
15:52the
15:52required
15:52signatures.
15:53And
15:54even
15:54then
15:55success
15:55isn't
15:56guaranteed
15:56as
15:57the
15:57Commission
15:57always
15:58retains
15:58the
15:59right
15:59to
15:59refuse
16:00new
16:00legislation.
16:01So
16:02my
16:02dear
16:02viewers
16:03if
16:03you
16:03are
16:04passionate
16:04about
16:04an
16:04issue
16:05start
16:05collecting
16:06your
16:06million
16:07signatures
16:07and
16:08maybe
16:09set up
16:10your
16:10own
16:10lobbying
16:11group
16:11just
16:11in
16:12case.
16:16And
16:16for more
16:16on this
16:17story that
16:17has gained
16:18huge
16:18traction
16:18on and
16:19offline
16:20we're
16:20joined
16:20now here
16:21in the
16:21studio
16:21by
16:21Austria's
16:22Minister
16:22for
16:22Women
16:23Science
16:23and
16:24Research
16:24Eva
16:25Maria
16:25Hulstleidner.
16:26Good
16:26morning.
16:26Welcome
16:26to Europe
16:27today.
16:28Quite
16:29an
16:29achievement
16:30there.
16:30One
16:31million
16:31signatures.
16:31What's
16:32the view
16:32from
16:32Austria
16:32here?
16:331.2
16:34citizens
16:34signed
16:35the
16:35initiative
16:35and it's
16:36a very
16:36important one.
16:37my voice
16:37my choice
16:38because in
16:39my point
16:40of view
16:40women's
16:41rights are
16:42a unique
16:43selling point
16:44of the
16:44European Union.
16:45It's one
16:46of our
16:47huge
16:48differences
16:49to other
16:49global
16:50parts of
16:51the world
16:52and so
16:53to strengthen
16:54women's
16:55rights is
16:55very important
16:56for us
16:57for our
16:58democracy
16:58within the
16:59European Union.
16:59And this
16:59campaign
17:00argued that
17:0020 million
17:01women
17:01currently do
17:02not have
17:02access to
17:03funding for
17:03a safe
17:04abortion.
17:05Do you
17:05think a
17:05more
17:05harmonized
17:06look at
17:07this in
17:07the 27
17:08EU states
17:08could be
17:09a good
17:09idea?
17:10We know
17:10that health
17:11issues are
17:12always very
17:13important for
17:13European
17:14citizens when
17:15we look at
17:15surveys for
17:16example.
17:17So it
17:18is a first
17:19step the
17:20answer of
17:21the commission
17:22but in the
17:23future maybe
17:23we can take
17:24a lot more
17:25steps towards
17:27saving and
17:28supporting
17:29women's
17:29rights in
17:30the European
17:31Union and
17:32yes the
17:32access to
17:33abortion is
17:34one of the
17:36most fundamental
17:37women's
17:38rights.
17:38And in
17:38Austria you've
17:39declared war
17:39on violence
17:40against women
17:40and girls.
17:41How are you
17:42implementing
17:42your plan
17:42in a world
17:43run by
17:43men?
17:44We have a
17:45national action
17:46plan against
17:47violence against
17:48women and
17:49girls and
17:50every ministry
17:51in Austria
17:51supports this
17:52national action
17:53plan and we
17:55worked together
17:55so also the
17:56ministry for
17:57interior for
17:58example the
17:58ministry for
17:59education also
18:01the male
18:01colleagues support
18:02this national
18:03action plan and
18:05I think this is
18:06very important
18:07because we
18:08also need men's
18:09support for
18:10women's rights.
18:11And of course
18:11Women's Day
18:11coming up very
18:12soon and just a
18:13final point on
18:13attracting
18:14scientists to
18:15the European
18:15Union and
18:15to Austria this
18:16choose Europe
18:17slogan is it
18:18working because
18:19of course a lot
18:19of scientists
18:19are leaving
18:20Trump's America
18:21currently.
18:22On the one
18:23hand it's a
18:24very sad issue
18:25that researchers
18:26have to leave
18:27their research
18:29institutions for
18:30example but on
18:30the other hand
18:31as Europe we
18:33need to be
18:34attractive we
18:34need to still
18:35be a safe
18:36haven for
18:37science and
18:37research and
18:38so Austria
18:39supported the
18:40choose Europe
18:40for science
18:41initiative we
18:42started at a
18:43very early
18:43stage joint
18:45attractivity effort
18:46and already 50
18:47researchers came
18:49or are actually
18:50at the moment
18:50coming to
18:51Austria because
18:53we know that
18:55free science
18:56and research is
18:57a fundamental
18:58base of our
19:00democracy and
19:01when researchers
19:02are threatened
19:04democracy erodes
19:05so it's very
19:06important to
19:07support also
19:08free science
19:09and research.
19:11And of course
19:11then to get
19:11from the lab
19:13to the market.
19:13Minister thank
19:14you so much
19:15for being our
19:15guest this
19:15morning here on
19:16Europe Today.
19:17Thank you.
19:18And thank you so
19:19much for watching
19:19that does bring
19:20this edition of
19:21Europe Today to
19:22an end.
19:22Thank you so
19:23much for tuning
19:23in.
19:24We'll be back
19:24on Monday
19:25morning with an
19:26exclusive interview
19:26with the
19:27Croatian Prime
19:27Minister Plankovic
19:28so do tune in
19:29for that.
19:30For now though
19:30take care and
19:31see you very soon
19:32on Euro News.
19:49I'll see you
19:50I'll see you
19:51I'll see you
20:00Legenda Adriana Zanotto
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