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A Ucrânia na UE - Uma questão de solidariedade ou de poder estratégico?
Neste episódio de The Ring, transmitido a partir do Parlamento Europeu em Bruxelas, centramo-nos no percurso da Ucrânia na UE, com os eurodeputados Petras Auštrevičius (Renew Europe) e Aurelijus Veryga (ECR).
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Neste episódio de The Ring, transmitido a partir do Parlamento Europeu em Bruxelas, centramo-nos no percurso da Ucrânia na UE, com os eurodeputados Petras Auštrevičius (Renew Europe) e Aurelijus Veryga (ECR).
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03:13here is to give our viewers just a taste
03:15of what exactly goes on in the European
03:17Parliaments, what you do when you debate, what you
03:19discuss. So let's get started.
03:21Petros, should Ukraine join the European
03:23Union by 2027?
03:25I mean, I would consider
03:27it probably as a start of
03:29negotiations. How long the negotiations
03:31will take, what kind of negotiations we
03:33will have, and probably what kind
03:35of initial membership
03:37we will offer to Ukraine,
03:39it depends. It depends. What about
03:41you, sir? Should Ukraine join by 2027?
03:45Well,
03:45I agree with Petros that
03:48the target should be ambitious
03:49one, because if you set
03:51a long-lasting
03:53target like 2030
03:55or 2035,
03:57it means that, you know, it lowers our
04:00perception how
04:01fast we should move. So if we say
04:032027, most probably
04:05technically it will not happen,
04:07but it adjusts our attempts
04:09to speed up.
04:11And why do you think Ukraine should join
04:13the European Union?
04:15Well, look, I mean,
04:16after the full scale
04:18of Russian invasion to Ukraine,
04:21and as well as threatening
04:22European security, I think we have
04:24absolutely different political
04:26description of Europe.
04:28Ukraine is a part of Europe.
04:30To my understanding, Russia
04:31never been and is not
04:33a part of Europe. So that's why, I mean,
04:36Ukraine rejoins
04:37its family.
04:38And what benefits would Ukrainian
04:40membership bring to the European Union?
04:42Well, first of all,
04:43if we would look to
04:44today's perspective,
04:47first of all, I believe it's
04:48safety.
04:49Because EU,
04:52actually now,
04:53Ukraine fights for
04:55the EU safety
04:56in a way that
04:57Russia was always
04:59threatening,
05:00at least the Baltic
05:02Baltic countries,
05:04but also
05:04other EU member states
05:06like Finland
05:07or Poland.
05:09So Ukraine
05:10joining the EU,
05:11first of all,
05:12would mean
05:12the security.
05:14Because now,
05:15Ukraine,
05:16I would say,
05:17is the most
05:18advanced
05:19country
05:20in fighting
05:21Russia's
05:22aggression.
05:24they do have
05:25experience,
05:26so this is the
05:27security and safety
05:28issue.
05:28And then,
05:29it's a huge economy.
05:31It's a huge
05:32possibility
05:34for the EU
05:35itself
05:35with the new
05:38possibilities
05:38to expand,
05:40you know,
05:40the economical
05:42growth
05:42for the EU
05:43itself.
05:44And do all
05:44your colleagues
05:45in the ECO,
05:46the Conservatives,
05:47support your view
05:47here?
05:48I believe
05:49most of them,
05:49yes,
05:50because,
05:51you know,
05:51everybody would
05:52like to see
05:53Europe safe.
05:54ECR was always
05:56on this issue
05:57very consistent,
05:59supporting Ukraine,
06:00fighting Russia's
06:01aggression,
06:01so I believe,
06:02yes.
06:03But one thing
06:03is defence
06:04and security.
06:05Another point
06:05is, of course,
06:06the functioning
06:06of the EU
06:07institutions,
06:08taking in
06:08such a huge
06:09member.
06:10How would
06:10even this
06:10parliament
06:11function then?
06:12Well,
06:12probably,
06:13EU must
06:15change as well.
06:16Look,
06:17we are not
06:18a law firm.
06:20We are not.
06:21Although,
06:22I mean,
06:22our key
06:22communauté
06:23is fundamentally
06:24important for
06:25the European Union.
06:26We stand,
06:27I mean,
06:27on the rule
06:27of law,
06:28on principles
06:28of law
06:30and so on
06:30and so forth.
06:31But the world
06:32is changing,
06:33so we become
06:33more geopolitical.
06:35So we need,
06:36I mean,
06:36to increase,
06:37I mean,
06:37EU needs
06:38bigger power,
06:40bigger geopolitical
06:41power,
06:41so we need
06:42more partners
06:43and probably
06:44partners like
06:45Ukraine
06:46might change
06:47the European Union
06:48as well
06:48for much better.
06:50Not just
06:50Ukraine itself
06:51will be reforming
06:52and transforming,
06:53but the European Union
06:54will receive
06:55a kind of impetus,
06:56I mean,
06:56a positive impetus
06:57for a change,
06:59politically,
07:01economically,
07:01and from the
07:02security point of view.
07:03And critics are arguing
07:04that the commission
07:05is trying to
07:05power grab a little
07:06bit of that power.
07:07What would you say
07:08to that?
07:08The world
07:09has changed
07:10a lot,
07:11not just because
07:11of war
07:12in Ukraine,
07:13but geopolitics,
07:14if we see
07:15the broader picture,
07:16is evolving
07:18very rapidly.
07:19So I believe
07:21that we are,
07:22as politicians,
07:24elected to react
07:25to the new reality
07:27and to adjust
07:28politics to
07:30the new reality.
07:31React and adjust
07:32fast.
07:32Yeah,
07:33and adjust fast
07:34and adjust
07:36in a way
07:37to reflect
07:39the new reality.
07:40So how do
07:41these adjustments
07:42look?
07:43Are we talking
07:43here about
07:44actual radical
07:44reform of the
07:45institutions
07:46before we enlarge?
07:48I believe
07:49it could
07:49go in a parallel
07:53happening
07:53at the same time
07:55because,
07:55you know,
07:56we should not
07:57confront
07:57the two things
07:59because my fear
08:00then would be
08:01that,
08:02you know,
08:02some more
08:03conservative
08:03member states
08:04could use
08:06that as an
08:08argument
08:09against,
08:10you know,
08:11faster accession.
08:12So I believe
08:13we should find
08:14the balance
08:14in this way
08:15going two ways
08:17at the same time.
08:18But that's
08:19already happening,
08:20right?
08:20I still see
08:21the European Union
08:22as a bit
08:22of sleepy giant.
08:25We have to
08:25wake up ourselves,
08:27all right?
08:27This next
08:29enlargement
08:30will be
08:31definitely different
08:32from the previous
08:32ones.
08:33I mean,
08:33all previous
08:34ones.
08:34It's a chance
08:35for you to
08:36transform itself.
08:38So that's why
08:39I would call
08:40this process
08:41of internal
08:42reforms and
08:43enlargement
08:43like a two-way
08:44street.
08:45Same time.
08:46I mean,
08:46we shouldn't
08:47waste any time
08:48given now
08:50and, I mean,
08:51transform ourselves
08:52and at the same
08:53time to enlarge.
08:54And can we
08:54afford this
08:55enlargement?
08:55I mean,
08:56there's big
08:56talks coming
08:56up in the
08:57next few
08:57years as
08:58well over
08:58the budget.
08:59I think the
09:00budget is an
09:01important issue,
09:02but again,
09:04we are more
09:05than a budget
09:05line.
09:06The budget
09:07of the
09:08European Union
09:08in the future
09:09will be
09:09different.
09:10I hope
09:10revenues
09:11side will
09:12be different,
09:12so we have
09:13to reform
09:14revenue
09:14sides of
09:14the...
09:15But will
09:15we be able
09:15to afford
09:16Ukraine,
09:16which will
09:16be a net
09:17recipient for
09:17the first
09:18couple of
09:18years?
09:18I mean,
09:19Ukraine
09:19is broke.
09:20The 90
09:20billion euro
09:21loan is frozen
09:22this week
09:22because of
09:23politics.
09:23But as I
09:24said before,
09:25I mean,
09:26incoming
09:27enlargement
09:27will be
09:28different.
09:28I mean,
09:29listening to
09:29the Ukrainian
09:30politicians,
09:31they already
09:31kind of sent
09:33a message
09:33that we
09:34don't need
09:34much of
09:35the support
09:35for agriculture
09:37and probably
09:38it's a good
09:39chance.
09:39I mean,
09:39probably seeing
09:41this enlargement
09:45towards Ukraine,
09:46Western
09:47Balkans,
09:47it's a chance
09:48to reform
09:49some policies
09:49lines of
09:51the European
09:51Union.
09:51Do you
09:52show that
09:52optimism that
09:53this time
09:53it would
09:53be different?
09:54If this
09:55will not
09:55be different,
09:58I have a
09:59fear that
10:00we will
10:00lose,
10:01exactly,
10:02the Ukraine
10:02will not
10:03become a
10:03member.
10:04Because
10:05your question
10:06is right
10:07to the
10:07point.
10:08Ukraine
10:08is one
10:09of the
10:10biggest,
10:10let's
10:11say,
10:11the new
10:12possible
10:12member
10:13states.
10:15And if
10:15we would
10:16follow the
10:16same logic
10:18with the
10:19cohesion,
10:20with the
10:21agricultural,
10:21most
10:22probably
10:23this
10:23will
10:23not
10:23happen.
10:24But
10:24at the
10:24same
10:25time
10:25we
10:25should
10:25be,
10:26I would
10:27say,
10:27more
10:27flexible
10:28when we
10:29look also
10:30to other
10:31areas.
10:31And there
10:32could be
10:32also a
10:33disagreement
10:33between
10:33different
10:34political
10:35perspectives
10:36where
10:37this
10:37flexibility
10:38could
10:39happen.
10:39One
10:40is the
10:40money,
10:41another
10:41could be
10:43the
10:43legal
10:44systems
10:45or other
10:46things
10:47because we
10:47understand
10:48Ukraine
10:48now is
10:49in the
10:49war.
10:50Some
10:50territories
10:51most probably
10:52will be
10:53lost at least
10:54for some
10:54period of
10:55time.
10:55So there
10:55will be
10:56a lot
10:56of
10:56questions.
10:57And many
10:57of our
10:58viewers
10:58would argue
10:58that you
10:59cannot
10:59allow a
11:00country
11:00at war
11:01into the
11:02European
11:02Union.
11:03It will
11:03change.
11:04I believe
11:05Ukraine in a
11:06final end will
11:07be a winner
11:07in this
11:09against the
11:10Russian
11:11aggression.
11:11But the
11:12war is not
11:12ending any
11:12time soon
11:13and Ukrainians
11:13know that.
11:14We saw that
11:14this week.
11:15We saw it on
11:15their faces.
11:16We have
11:16time.
11:17Let's be
11:17patient.
11:18Let's be
11:19prudent in
11:20this regard.
11:21Not to
11:21make any
11:23hectic
11:24decisions or
11:25conditionalities
11:26imposed.
11:27Let's take
11:27time.
11:28See a
11:29more distant
11:30future.
11:31Okay.
11:31Let me stop
11:32you there,
11:32gentlemen, as
11:33we're just
11:33getting warmed
11:34up here on
11:34The Ring.
11:39So now it's
11:40time for our
11:40viewers to get
11:41a real
11:41taste, as I
11:42said, of
11:42European
11:43Parliament
11:43chamber
11:44debates
11:44where MEPs
11:45tend to
11:45fire hard
11:46questions at
11:46each other.
11:47That means
11:47it's time for
11:48you to
11:48directly
11:48challenge each
11:50other.
11:50Mr.
11:51Verga, we
11:51can start
11:52with you.
11:52What's your
11:52first question?
11:54Okay.
11:54So first
11:55question from
11:56my side
11:56would be
11:58what
11:58considering
11:59the overall
12:00context of
12:01today's
12:02geopolitics
12:02could be
12:03considered as
12:04a victory
12:04for Ukraine?
12:07I mean,
12:08what means
12:08victory?
12:10We have
12:10pronounced
12:10many
12:11good
12:11promises
12:12towards
12:13Ukraine.
12:13We said
12:14Ukraine is
12:14a part of
12:15Europe and
12:15so on and so
12:16forth.
12:17Now we have
12:17to deliver.
12:18We have to
12:19prove our words
12:20by deeds, by
12:21actions, so
12:22that's why we
12:23have to open
12:23accession
12:24negotiations as
12:25soon as
12:25possible,
12:26delivering in
12:27this regard
12:28towards Ukraine.
12:29And I
12:29believe
12:29everybody
12:32all around
12:33understands that
12:34this is a
12:34dynamic
12:36process,
12:37will be
12:37negotiations,
12:38meetings,
12:39adjustments,
12:40and so on and
12:41so forth.
12:41But let's
12:42start moving
12:43the sooner
12:44the better.
12:45Let's start
12:45moving the
12:46sooner the
12:46better.
12:46but if I
12:47may, the
12:4790 billion
12:48euros is
12:49frozen, the
12:49loan, what
12:50are the
12:50other options
12:50on the
12:51table?
12:52It's a
12:52disaster.
12:53I would
12:54call it
12:55absolutely
12:56debt end
12:57for decision
12:59making in the
12:59European Union.
13:00If I'm
13:01correct, those
13:0324 member
13:04states which
13:05backed the
13:0790 billion
13:08loan, they've
13:10been told that
13:10there will be
13:11no unanimity
13:12needed to vote
13:13on this issue.
13:14So now
13:15Orban came
13:15out just
13:16out of the
13:18blue asking
13:18for unanimity
13:19votes.
13:20I mean, what
13:20is wrong with
13:21our decision
13:22making?
13:22I mean, I
13:23believe Orban
13:25really must be
13:26in the
13:27court for
13:28this
13:28threatening
13:29and this
13:29blackmailing
13:30operation.
13:31And unfortunately
13:32we don't have
13:32a colleague
13:33of Viktor Orban
13:34on the show
13:35today.
13:35We did invite
13:35them, but
13:36unfortunately
13:36they were
13:36not available.
13:37Time for
13:38you now to
13:38address your
13:38first question.
13:39All right.
13:40So, Aurelius,
13:42given your
13:43political
13:43group's
13:44political, let's
13:46say, image,
13:49which criteria
13:50political or
13:51economic should
13:52be most
13:53decisive deciding
13:55upon membership
13:56of Ukraine
13:57or any
13:57new
13:58member state?
14:00Well, good
14:02question.
14:03I believe
14:04they are
14:05not
14:06separable
14:07because, you
14:09know, the
14:09economic criteria
14:10always comes
14:11from some
14:12political
14:12perspectives.
14:13We do
14:13have
14:14different
14:14beliefs,
14:16the
14:16conservative,
14:17more liberal,
14:18more social
14:18beliefs,
14:19even on
14:20economic
14:20criteria.
14:21So, I
14:22believe this
14:22should be a
14:23mixture.
14:24And from
14:25my
14:26perspective,
14:27I think
14:28we should
14:28have more,
14:30let's say,
14:31tactical
14:31flexibility,
14:33understanding
14:34the needs
14:34of the
14:34countries that
14:35are reflecting
14:36more economic
14:37criteria.
14:38criteria, I
14:38mean, Poland
14:40most probably
14:40or Hungary,
14:42and at the
14:43same time,
14:44other countries
14:45would probably
14:46prefer mostly
14:47political criteria.
14:48So, I
14:49believe it
14:49should be a
14:50mixture.
14:50Would you
14:51agree with
14:51that?
14:52I would
14:52probably start
14:53from political
14:54criteria as
14:56a starting
14:56point.
14:57I mean,
14:57economic
14:57criteria, of
14:58course.
14:58I mean,
14:58conversions of
14:59new member
15:00states will
15:00take time.
15:01I mean,
15:01let's be
15:02realistic.
15:03Now it's
15:03time, Petros
15:04Ostevichus,
15:05for your
15:05next question
15:05for Mr.
15:06Verja.
15:06I have a
15:06very provocative
15:07one.
15:08Good.
15:09Aurelius,
15:09would you
15:09agree with
15:10the kind
15:11of different
15:12kind of
15:13membership,
15:14I mean,
15:14second category
15:15of membership,
15:16if to speak
15:17about, for
15:18example,
15:19case of
15:19Ukraine?
15:20Well,
15:21I don't know
15:21what that
15:21means,
15:22because,
15:23you know,
15:23it's devil
15:24is always
15:24in details
15:25what that
15:26means.
15:26But I
15:27would
15:28definitely
15:28agree that
15:29the process
15:30should be
15:31adjusted
15:31to,
15:33from the
15:33previous
15:34times
15:34to
15:34nowadays,
15:36and Ukraine
15:36is not
15:37the only,
15:39let's say,
15:39candidate
15:39to access,
15:41so definitely
15:42it would be
15:43to all of
15:44them,
15:45probably,
15:45yeah,
15:46so we
15:46have to
15:46bear that
15:47in mind.
15:48But I
15:48would agree
15:49that we
15:49should adjust
15:50the processes.
15:51It should
15:51be different
15:52than previous
15:53times.
15:54I think
15:54it means
15:55it's like
15:55giving Ukraine
15:56the key
15:56to the
15:56house,
15:57but not
15:57allowing
15:57them into
15:58every
15:58single
15:58room.
15:59So perhaps
16:00being allowed
16:00to sit
16:01into the
16:01summit,
16:01but not
16:01vote,
16:02for example,
16:02is that
16:02something you
16:03would support?
16:03I mean,
16:04it's
16:04indeed
16:05devil in
16:06details.
16:06I mean,
16:07nobody quarrels
16:08about this,
16:09but to me
16:10it's important,
16:11I mean,
16:11to have a
16:12very clear
16:12time definition,
16:13when this
16:14transition period
16:15will end up.
16:17President Zelensky
16:18expressed his
16:19harsh criticism
16:20about secondary
16:21kind of
16:22membership.
16:23So that's
16:23why we
16:23have to
16:24be sensitive
16:24towards this.
16:25We have
16:25to treat
16:26each and
16:26every
16:26European
16:27state
16:28as,
16:28you know,
16:29eligible
16:29for full
16:30membership.
16:31But let's
16:32be very
16:32clear in
16:32criteria when
16:33it ends.
16:34And it's
16:35a symbol,
16:35of course,
16:35it would be
16:36a negative
16:36symbol you
16:36could be
16:37sending
16:37there to
16:37Ukrainians.
16:38You have
16:38another
16:39question now?
16:40I would
16:40like to
16:41ask more
16:42precisely
16:43you,
16:44Patras,
16:45because you
16:45have an
16:45experience
16:46in negotiations
16:47when Lithuania
16:48was accessing
16:49the EU.
16:51How would
16:52you see
16:52from your
16:53perspective
16:53where Europe
16:55could
16:55demonstrate
16:55or should
16:56demonstrate
16:57flexibility
16:58regarding
16:59the requirements
16:59of accession
17:00when we
17:01speak about
17:02the new
17:02accessing
17:03countries,
17:03new
17:04candidates?
17:05I would
17:06be very
17:07insistent
17:08on
17:08democratic
17:08criteria.
17:09to start
17:10negotiations
17:10there must
17:11be some
17:12already
17:12pre-fulfilling
17:14criteria.
17:15It's clear.
17:16Democracy,
17:17human rights,
17:17nothing to
17:18negotiate about.
17:19Once you
17:20fulfill,
17:21you're ready
17:22to start.
17:23But then
17:23on economic
17:24criteria,
17:25indeed,
17:25it's a very
17:26fluid process.
17:28There are
17:28good and bad
17:29examples in
17:30this regard
17:30to what
17:30comes to
17:31the
17:31European
17:32history.
17:33But
17:33we have
17:35to
17:35impose
17:36this
17:36approach
17:37of
17:37gradual,
17:38differentiated
17:39integration.
17:41So,
17:41letting,
17:42for example,
17:42Ukraine
17:43or other
17:44candidate
17:44countries
17:45into the
17:45single
17:45markets,
17:46certain parts
17:47of the
17:47single
17:48markets,
17:49once they
17:49are ready
17:51to compete
17:52on a
17:53single
17:53market,
17:54not harming
17:54the single
17:55market by
17:57destruction
17:58factors.
17:59So,
18:00here,
18:00I am more
18:01flexible.
18:02On economic
18:03criteria,
18:04I think it
18:04will be
18:05more lengthy
18:06time-wise
18:07and probably
18:09more in
18:09details if
18:10it takes.
18:11Well,
18:11look,
18:12we have
18:12heard the
18:12first views
18:13of our
18:14MEPs.
18:14It is time
18:15now to
18:15bring in
18:15a new
18:16voice.
18:20I'd like
18:20to bring
18:21in the
18:21voice of
18:21President
18:22Volodymyr
18:22Selenskyj,
18:23speaking
18:23alongside the
18:24Commission
18:24President
18:25Ursula von
18:26der Leyen
18:26in Kyiv
18:27this week.
18:27He said
18:28this regarding
18:28EU membership.
18:29It is
18:30important to
18:31receive a
18:31clear date
18:32for joining
18:33the European
18:33Union.
18:34If there
18:34is no
18:34date,
18:35if there
18:35is no
18:35such
18:35guarantee,
18:36Russia
18:36will find
18:37a way
18:37to block
18:38Ukraine
18:38for decades
18:39by dividing
18:40you,
18:41by dividing
18:41Europe.
18:41We must
18:42protect
18:43ourselves
18:43from this.
18:45So,
18:45of course,
18:46when it
18:46comes to
18:46a timeline,
18:47both of
18:47you earlier,
18:48when I
18:48proposed
18:48the idea
18:49of
18:492027,
18:50you basically
18:51said that's
18:51not possible.
18:52So,
18:52what date
18:53would you
18:53like to
18:53propose?
18:54I would
18:55say
18:552030
18:56could be
18:57a really
18:58realistic
18:58scenario
18:59for Ukraine
19:00to join.
19:00Same
19:01question
19:01to you?
19:02I think
19:02what
19:03President Zelensky
19:04tries to
19:05convey to
19:06us,
19:06he needs
19:08our commitment
19:09to start
19:10negotiations.
19:11Once you
19:11start
19:11negotiations,
19:12we'll be
19:12the end.
19:14So,
19:14the more
19:15committed
19:15both sides
19:16are,
19:16the more
19:19efficient
19:20negotiations
19:21process
19:21is about.
19:22And,
19:22believe me,
19:23we will
19:24have
19:24absolutely
19:24new
19:25accession
19:26strategy.
19:26And we
19:27heard this
19:27week as
19:28well,
19:28alongside
19:28President
19:29Zelensky.
19:30We heard
19:30also
19:30Ursula von
19:31der Leyen
19:31said she
19:32couldn't
19:32put a
19:32date on
19:32it,
19:33which we
19:33saw a
19:33very upset
19:34looking
19:34President
19:35Zelensky.
19:35Look,
19:36it is time
19:36to take a
19:37very short
19:38break here
19:38on The
19:38Ring,
19:39but do
19:39stay with
19:39us.
19:40We'll be
19:40back very
19:41soon with
19:41some more
19:41political
19:42punch.
19:51Welcome
19:51back to
19:52The Ring,
19:53your news's
19:54weekly show
19:54broadcasting here
19:55from the
19:55European Parliament
19:56in Brussels.
19:57I'm joined
19:58by the
19:58MEPs
19:59Petras
19:59Austravitius
20:00and Aurelius
20:01Verga and
20:01the idea
20:02here is to
20:02bring European
20:03Parliament
20:03debates to
20:04your very
20:04sofa.
20:05This week
20:06our guests
20:07MEPs are
20:07sharing their
20:08views on
20:08whether or
20:09not Ukraine
20:09should be
20:10fast-tracked
20:10into the
20:11European Union.
20:12And as
20:12always,
20:12we love
20:13bringing in
20:13your views,
20:14so we had
20:15a look at
20:15some of
20:15the data
20:16that suggests
20:16actually 52%
20:18of EU
20:19citizens express
20:20their support
20:20for Ukraine's
20:21accession,
20:22providing of course
20:23the country meets
20:23all the
20:24membership
20:24conditions.
20:2541%
20:26oppose Ukraine
20:28and Ukraine
20:29is most
20:30favourite
20:30candidate for
20:31EU membership
20:32in as many
20:32as 14
20:33member states.
20:35So this is
20:36interesting there,
20:36the majority
20:36are in favour
20:37but it's still
20:38quite tight.
20:40How do your
20:40voters back home
20:41feel about this,
20:42Mr. Verga?
20:43Well, I would
20:45guess we
20:46don't see the
20:47data on
20:47each and
20:48every member
20:49of the state
20:49but I would
20:50guess this
20:51could be
20:51very much
20:53the same
20:53like the
20:54percentage
20:55of investment
20:56to defence
20:57according to
20:58the distance
20:59to Moscow.
21:00So I believe
21:00that the
21:01eastern part
21:02of the
21:02Europe
21:02that had
21:04an experience
21:04with the
21:06Russian
21:06aggression
21:06or even
21:07occupation,
21:08they would
21:08really support
21:09Ukraine's
21:11accession
21:11to EU
21:13but I'm
21:14just guessing
21:15so I don't
21:15know.
21:15What about
21:16you?
21:16How would
21:16your voters
21:17feel about
21:17this?
21:17Well, I
21:18take the
21:18present public
21:19opinion in
21:20the European
21:20Union
21:20towards
21:21Ukraine
21:21much led
21:23by those
21:23pictures
21:24about Ukraine
21:26destruction,
21:27war,
21:28grim pictures,
21:29sad faces
21:30and so on
21:31and so forth.
21:32The public
21:33opinion,
21:33I mean
21:34population
21:35of Europe
21:35must be
21:36well explained
21:37about cons
21:38and pros
21:40of each
21:41and every
21:41candidate
21:42country
21:42and it
21:43should be
21:44well,
21:44I mean
21:44it should
21:45be business
21:45of politicians
21:46not just
21:47you know
21:47President Zelensky
21:49I mean
21:50crying for
21:50his country
21:51and advancing
21:53Ukraine
21:53towards
21:54the European
21:54Union
21:55so that's
21:55why
21:55if we
21:56explain
21:56all
21:57arguments
21:58about Ukraine
22:00it's a
22:00largest country
22:01lots of
22:02mineral resources
22:03we need it
22:04I mean
22:04our economies
22:05are looking
22:05for this
22:06around
22:06so
22:07population
22:08Ukrainians
22:09are very
22:10much
22:10you know
22:11motivated
22:11and qualified
22:12labor force
22:13so they're
22:14innovative
22:15we see it
22:15in times
22:16of war
22:17as well
22:17and
22:18finally
22:19look
22:19I think
22:21this kind
22:21of convergence
22:22of probably
22:23less developed
22:24economic
22:25economy
22:26to more
22:27developed economy
22:28it creates
22:29a kind
22:29of very
22:30positive push
22:31for overall
22:32European economy
22:33so that's why
22:33I think
22:34Europeans should
22:35be given figures
22:35good arguments
22:37and it will
22:37take time
22:38I'm sure
22:38because Europeans
22:39are clearly
22:39so very worried
22:40about the cost
22:40of living crisis
22:41and they're worried
22:42that they might
22:42get poorer
22:43as other countries
22:44join the bloc
22:45and then gradually
22:45get richer
22:46well it didn't
22:47happen previously
22:48when when Europe
22:50enlarged
22:51in the previous
22:54enlargement
22:54so it will not
22:56happen also
22:57this time
22:58so I agree
22:59that we have
23:00to explain
23:02explain people
23:04have more
23:05explanations
23:06but you're not
23:06very good
23:07at explaining
23:07the EU
23:08has a major
23:08communication
23:09problem
23:09let's be honest
23:10yes we do
23:11have a problem
23:12and I believe
23:14those only
23:1552%
23:16is a
23:18clear
23:19example
23:20or illustration
23:21that we still
23:23need more
23:23explanation
23:24about Ukraine
23:26but often
23:26the perception
23:27now for our viewers
23:28they're looking
23:28at Brussels
23:28the constant
23:29summits
23:29and squabbles
23:30and disagreements
23:31and spats
23:32I mean this week
23:33is a perfect example
23:34with Hungary
23:35and Slovakia
23:35blocking
23:36the 20th sanctions
23:37package against Moscow
23:39and of course
23:39the 90 billion fund
23:40being frozen
23:41the loan being frozen
23:42by Hungary
23:43how could an EU
23:44function
23:45a big EU
23:46with more than 30
23:46member states
23:47how could the council
23:47actually function
23:48and have an actual
23:50union that speaks
23:50with one voice
23:51well I mean
23:52firstly
23:53we're really
23:54still led by
23:55cliché
23:56I mean a lot
23:56of cliché
23:57you remember
23:57probably
23:58after the big
23:59bank
24:00enlargement
24:01the Polish
24:02plumber
24:03I mean
24:04that was a kind
24:05of the perception
24:06in France
24:07but the Polish
24:08plumber
24:08didn't destroy
24:09sanitation system
24:10in France
24:11ok
24:11but definitely
24:12coming to this
24:14bigger issue
24:15we have to decide
24:16upon ourselves
24:17this is a very
24:18serious
24:19strategic issue
24:20it's not a daily
24:21issue
24:22next enlargement
24:23I mean
24:23we're speaking
24:24about 10 countries
24:25and more
24:26they will
24:26predecide
24:27Europe's future
24:28and we should
24:29ask
24:29not probably
24:30the
24:31you know
24:32the generation
24:33now in power
24:33but young generation
24:35ok
24:35I mean
24:36let's ask
24:37young people
24:37what kind
24:38of Europe
24:38what kind
24:39of cooperation
24:39they want
24:40to have
24:40with those
24:41countries
24:42joining the
24:42European Union
24:43and we will
24:44get more
24:44optimism
24:45well
24:45please write
24:46to us
24:46the ring
24:47at your
24:47news
24:47dot com
24:48that is
24:48our email
24:48address
24:49we love
24:49hearing
24:49your views
24:50and you
24:51mentioned
24:51there
24:51the Polish
24:52plumber
24:52very wealthy
24:53Polish plumbers
24:54now heading back
24:55to Poland
24:55exactly
24:56to work on
24:57their booming
24:57economy
24:58but now it is
24:59in time to move
24:59on to our
25:00fifth and
25:01final round
25:01are you ready
25:02yes we are
25:03yes
25:08so now it's
25:09time for
25:09something
25:09different
25:10I'm going
25:11to ask
25:11my guest
25:11a set of
25:12questions
25:13and you've
25:13only got
25:14two options
25:15here
25:15yes or
25:16no
25:16is that
25:17doable
25:19that's
25:19most complicated
25:20I think
25:20you're going
25:21to struggle
25:22but let's
25:23try
25:24is the
25:25EU too
25:25large to
25:26function
25:26today
25:26yes or
25:27no
25:27no
25:29no
25:30should
25:31Ukraine
25:31be fast
25:32tracked
25:32into the
25:32European
25:33Union
25:33yes or
25:33yes
25:34yes
25:36should
25:36Ukraine
25:37join the
25:37EU
25:38before
25:382030
25:38yes
25:40I would
25:41like to
25:42see
25:42yes
25:43is the
25:44EU ready
25:44for another
25:44big bang
25:45enlargement
25:46yes or
25:46no
25:48take a
25:49question
25:53factually
25:53not
25:54but
25:56politically
25:57I would
25:58say
25:58yes
25:58not
25:59yet
25:59it will
26:01take
26:01time
26:01should
26:02agriculture
26:02subsidies
26:03be reduced
26:04in
26:04current
26:04member
26:04states
26:05to
26:05accommodate
26:05Ukraine
26:08oh
26:09that's
26:10a good
26:10question
26:10I mean
26:12common
26:13agriculture
26:13policy
26:14will be
26:14different
26:15and
26:15I hope
26:16this
26:17new
26:17accession
26:18will
26:18accelerate
26:18this
26:19process
26:19so
26:20for the
26:21moment
26:21I would
26:22say
26:22no
26:22and
26:23should
26:23enlargement
26:24decisions
26:24require
26:25unanimous
26:25approval
26:25from all
26:26member states
26:27as a final
26:28decision
26:29yes
26:29in between
26:30no
26:31no
26:31yes
26:33and is
26:33enlargement
26:34today
26:34more about
26:34security
26:35than values
26:35do you think
26:36Petros
26:36both
26:37I mean
26:37security
26:38it's about
26:38values
26:39values
26:39about
26:39security
26:40yeah
26:41the same
26:42and
26:43is the future
26:44of the European
26:45Union bright
26:45yes or
26:46no
26:46absolutely
26:46so
26:47because we
26:47are here
26:48yes
26:49definitely
26:49yes
26:50so we
26:51have
26:51a conservative
26:52and a liberal
26:52both agreeing
26:53on a lot
26:53of topics
26:54why don't you
26:55join the same
26:55party
26:56we are from
26:57Lithuania
26:57we don't need
26:58to join
26:59the same
26:59party
27:00it's hard
27:01to find
27:01disagreement
27:02about Ukraine
27:03in Lithuania
27:03I can tell you
27:04we fight
27:05lay cats
27:05home
27:06but here
27:07in Brussels
27:08in the European
27:08Parliament
27:09when it comes
27:10to strategic
27:11decisions
27:11we join forces
27:13it's all about
27:13finding compromise
27:14gentlemen
27:14thank you so much
27:15that answer
27:16does bring
27:16this edition
27:17of the ring
27:18to an end
27:19thank you so much
27:19Petros Austrovicius
27:20and Aurelius Velga
27:21it's been great
27:22hearing your views
27:23and of course
27:24you can join us
27:25anytime
27:25by writing to us
27:26as well
27:26at the ring
27:27at yournews.com
27:28but thank you so much
27:29for tuning in
27:30take care
27:30and see you soon
27:31here on Euro News
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