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00:02Anything they start off fighting about, he can bring it back to that.
00:05I mean, this time, it's about how my mom never puts gas in the car and he always has to
00:08do
00:09it when he's already late.
00:10You know, and somehow he brings it back to how my school wants me to apply to all these
00:13private out-of-state D1 colleges for lacrosse, and it makes him look like the bad guy, because
00:17he can't afford any of them.
00:18Shane, I mean your dad is the Kevin Garnett of talking shit about Bridgefield, you know,
00:24and also there's such thing as lacrosse scholarships.
00:26Ivy's don't have athletic scholarships, and nowhere else is going to be a four, right?
00:30Whatever, I mean talking about why all these schools are no-go's also pisses them off.
00:34You're so lucky.
00:35Yeah, I know you think so.
00:36I'm not even talking about being able to afford Stanford, being able to afford to buy Stanford
00:40and rename it after yourself.
00:42St. Leger University.
00:43Yeah, shut up, dude, please.
00:46I'm talking about not having to listen to your parents screaming at each other every five
00:49minutes over something you can't change and neither can they.
00:52Well, I mean, to want to argue about shit, you kind of got to care about it.
00:56No, it's not that difficult.
00:58Well, I mean, anytime mine won't stop caring so much, that would be great.
01:01But they won't, because they can't live unless they're up my ass.
01:04My sister can't either.
01:05I mean, Shiloh moved to fucking Pawtucket.
01:06She's still trying to be my boss.
01:09What I would give, to be you for one day, just one, just to try it, just to see.
01:14Not even for the money, just for the, like, silence.
01:23That guy might have told Paul he would be here.
01:25Whatever.
01:25He's not a bad guy if you give him a chance.
01:27No, you say that every single time.
01:29No, he's just insecure.
01:31Yeah, I promise.
01:31If you hang in there, eventually it starts being such a dick.
01:34Prove it.
01:35What does that even mean?
01:36What's up, fuckheads?
01:41You gonna be okay?
01:42What's up?
01:42What's up as I fucking ran here?
01:44You're kidding, from Bridgefield?
01:45Yeah, that's right, shithead.
01:47Wow.
01:47I mean, I know Coach said you need to do more cardio, but damn.
01:53You guys are so into this place.
01:55I think it was cool for, like, you know, five minutes in middle school.
01:59Jesus.
02:01And don't you literally have, like, a massive house with a fucking helipad?
02:05There's no helipad.
02:06Why would anybody want to hang out here instead of there?
02:09Your dad have, like, no peasant rule or something?
02:12No, because I'm a peasant, right?
02:13A scholarship peasant?
02:14Yeah, I've been in there.
02:15Has your dad even lived in that house before?
02:18Like, even when you were a baby?
02:21Because my dad says your dad hasn't been back to Narragansett since, like, the 90s.
02:24How would your dad even know that?
02:25Well, he's in global finance too, dude.
02:27People talk to each other.
02:28It's a network.
02:30Who cares?
02:31All these houses are fucking freezing and none of the furniture is comfortable, okay?
02:34Yeah.
02:36What the?
02:37Are you fucking kidding me?
02:38There's mosquitoes now?
02:39Come on.
02:40Is your mom in town?
02:41Is that why we can't go to your house?
02:43What's your fucking deal, dude?
02:44Uh, it's buggy and clammy here and it doesn't not smell like pee.
02:48You have a house too, dipshit?
02:49Yeah.
02:50Well, they're selling it.
02:52Because the whole divorce is my dad punishing my mom for getting mad at him for cheating.
02:58So...
02:59That's hard.
03:01I'm really sorry.
03:04Thanks.
03:07How is your mom doing?
03:09Shittily.
03:09Why?
03:10Just sucks, that's all.
03:13Makes total sense why she'd be having a tough time with everything.
03:16Yeah.
03:18Makes total sense your mom would be running her mouth again about someone she barely fucking knows.
03:22Fuck you, she knows it.
03:23Yeah, from sidelines and sport banquets, but not really.
03:26What are you even talking about?
03:27You just seem like you know something, Shane, so you tell me.
03:30Your mom's the one saying shit she heard from somebody who heard it from somebody like it's fucking real.
03:34She saw it in the paper.
03:35Who reads the local news?
03:36No one.
03:37When MPD arrests someone, it's always in the local police blotter.
03:40I'm not saying it should be, but...
03:41She didn't think she was gonna need a basket, and then she had too many things in her hands, so
03:44she was gonna go get one.
03:46I mean, she didn't even leave the fucking store, and now everybody thinks she's a fucking thief.
03:56You know what, I'm sorry.
03:58Yeah, I'm sorry too.
03:59Yeah.
04:00I'm sorry your mom's a bitch who won't shut the fuck up.
04:03Fuck the...
04:06Man, what's your fucking problem?
04:07Fuck!
04:07Fuck!
04:10Hey, guys!
04:11Fucking fucking bitch!
04:13Guys!
04:14Fucking...
04:14Ow!
04:16Take a sec, okay?
04:17Take a sec, okay?
04:19Chill out.
04:19Fuck!
04:21I'm so afraid to get this!
04:21Who are you two?
04:24Wave your finger, you must have been...
04:27Out your head!
04:30I hold deep in mud and waters, you practically raise your hand!
04:37Shut up!
04:38No!
04:38No!
04:39No!
04:41Get it!
04:47No!
04:48No!
04:49Thousands, thousands of miles, so don't look like a fool
04:53You must have been
04:59You must have been
05:02You must have been
05:06Let me go!
05:32Let me go!
05:58If I say it's self-defense
06:00If I just tell them that it's self-defense
06:02It doesn't work like that!
06:03They're gonna say that it's self-defense
06:04But if we just
06:06Because it was you that did it
06:07You weren't defending yourself
06:10Look
06:12We didn't go to the Narrows today after school
06:14Alright, and we didn't
06:15We didn't know Paul was gonna be there
06:16He didn't ask me to hang out after practice
06:18And he wouldn't have asked you anything
06:20Because you're not even fucking friends
06:23I had to go home and babysit my sister anyway
06:26So you gave me a ride
06:27And then you what?
06:31Say it!
06:36I went home
06:38Yeah, I studied for chem
06:41Until I got a headache
06:42And then I
06:43And then I went to bed
06:52What about your, um...
06:56What about your, um...
06:57I wiped out during school angels
06:59And someone must have stepped on me
07:04I'm sorry
07:07I'm sorry
07:08I'm sorry
07:10I know you were just trying to help me
07:13Save me
07:16You probably did
07:19Thanks
07:47What are you doing?
07:49Nothing
07:53Where were you?
07:56Those are dirty
07:56Yeah, whatever
07:58Why you wet?
07:59I took a shower
08:00When?
08:01Just now
08:02And I thought I heard something outside
08:05What did you do to your face?
08:07Nothing
08:07You look like...
08:08No, I don't!
08:09Megan!
08:15I got fouled at practice
08:16Alright?
08:17And then I came home
08:18And I took a shower
08:19And I'm back in here
08:20With you
08:20Like I have been this whole time
08:24Are you okay?
08:28I'm fine
08:31I'm hungry
08:33You wanna make stovetop s'mores?
08:35I don't think so
08:37I don't think I was going to tell you
08:37No, I że
08:44No, I can
08:56No, I will
08:59Yo tako
09:01No, mi amor
09:03No, mi amor
09:03No, mi amor
09:04No, im ŠŠ°ŠæŃico
09:54Hey, Oliver. I don't have him, but I maybe might this weekend.
09:58It has to be now.
10:01I'm sorry. It's really boring.
10:06I hope you think so.
10:14Hello? Can anyone hear us?
10:17Gretchen and Kenji, if you're on, get off.
10:21So what's so cloak and dagger?
10:22I killed someone.
10:24What?
10:27Who?
10:31Paul.
10:34Paul Sparling.
10:36You're sure he's dead?
10:47Yeah. We were at the Narrows.
10:50Who's we?
10:53Me, Shane, Martin, and Paul.
10:56Who else?
10:57It was just us.
11:00Okay. Stop talking. I need to think.
11:12Oliver. I'm Detective Sheehan.
11:15My lieutenant's just getting off a call, but we can start.
11:18This being recorded, Jerry?
11:20I'm out of custodial interrogation, so I want to make some notes, but first things first.
11:26Your lawyer here, Mr. Sykes, he filled me in a little bit on what happened.
11:29But obviously, I want to hear from you.
11:31Can you tell me about it?
11:33Just start wherever you're comfortable.
11:35If I have any questions, I'll ask.
11:41Yeah, I was, um, I was home, and I had been studying all night because I had a midterm
11:48coming up, and I didn't really understand the material, but I, uh, I forgot to eat.
11:54So after a little while, like, I got a headache, and I set an alarm for early so I can
12:01wake up
12:03and do some more in the morning. But then I, uh, I woke up because someone was, um, was, uh,
12:12wasn't to be let in.
12:14And who was that?
12:17Um, that was, uh, Shane, Shane Martin.
12:22Shane Martin, okay. And this was what time?
12:28This was around midnight.
12:31Last chance.
12:33No idea. You have no idea?
12:35No.
12:36You can't think of a single thing happening they might want to talk to you about?
12:39Right, and I don't buy it. It's why I keep asking, because I want to have some idea of
12:43what kind of buzzsaw we're about to walk into.
12:45You knock out some more streetlights or steal some shit your buddies think is nothing, but
12:48to regular people means real money.
12:50God, like, you and your friends never gotten into anything stupid before.
12:53Except, you know what, no one at your school ever got into an Ivy League college.
12:56Probably doesn't even know what one is.
12:57Oh, shh.
12:59So Shane's going to the Ivy League now?
13:01Wow, really, wow.
13:03When were you guys going to tell me that?
13:04After we talked to the cops, I guess?
13:05Could you have a little faith in your son, please?
13:07Could we just...
13:08Because I have no faith in my son, right?
13:11So you're on with that whole narrative again, that I have no faith in my son.
13:22Hey, great to see you.
13:24Fabulous.
13:25Look at you, you're a man.
13:27Listen, I wanted to tell you the father and sister.
13:29I mean, the male.
13:31Please, isn't that a guy.
13:33I mean, it's...
13:35Stop, stop!
13:36Hey!
13:36What the hell?
13:37Hey!
13:37Hey!
13:38Hey!
13:38Hey!
13:39Hey!
13:40Hey!
13:40Bring it now!
13:41Stop it!
13:42Stop it!
13:42Stop!
13:43Come on!
13:43Get easy!
13:44Stop it!
13:45Get out of here.
13:46Where's he going?
13:47Come in!
13:47Come in!
13:48Get back inside.
13:52Oh, oh, oh, oh.
14:11I don't know.
14:52I don't know.
15:17You're kind of close there, Otis.
15:20Hey, Oliver, a little bit.
15:21Seven minutes till morning announcements.
15:25If I had that car, I'd probably want to hang out in it all day, too.
15:27But you're about to get one demerit for being late
15:29and another for ignoring me to my face.
15:32Oh, my God. Are you all right?
15:33Hey, Oliver, can you open the door?
15:35Where's my...
15:36Where's my... We need to call 911.
15:37Come on. Please, please, please.
15:39No, please don't.
15:41Please.
15:43I still think we should at least go to urgent care.
15:46I feel way better now.
15:48I really do.
15:50All right.
15:51Still, an hour ago, you were passing out in your car.
15:57Uh, amoxicillin.
15:59Here.
16:01Take two.
16:02Or maybe four.
16:04Why do you just have these?
16:06Dog bite.
16:07You know, the stop and shop parking lot?
16:09Yeah.
16:10Apparently, different tail waggings have different meanings.
16:13I thought a dog wagging its tail always means friendly.
16:15It does not.
16:18Yeah, I thought that, too.
16:19Yeah, well, now we both know better.
16:30Hey, what about your mom?
16:32What if we called her?
16:33No, I think it's, uh, I think it's 12 hours ahead there.
16:36Well, still wouldn't be past 11 p.m.
16:37I don't think that there's reception.
16:39There's gonna be reception at a resort.
16:40Uh, she's off the coast.
16:42It's her friend's boat.
16:44Um, and the school knows.
16:45She told them.
16:46I'm gonna have to mark you in excused absence.
16:48I'll say, I saw you and I sent you homesick.
16:51That's not even a lie.
16:55And I'll leave you the amoxicillin.
16:57Take a couple more tonight.
16:59Look, I know.
17:03You were good friends with Shane and Paul.
17:06I know you're having a hard time right now.
17:08I wish you weren't having it alone.
17:11Go easy on yourself, okay?
17:13Understand that something terrible has happened to you, too.
17:20Try to give yourself a little grace.
17:28Uh, wait, uh, please, wait.
17:36And you're what again?
17:37Uh, guidance counselor?
17:39School counselor.
17:40What kind of backgrounds is a school counselor supposed to have in this kind of thing?
17:44Well, I'm actually a licensed independent clinical social worker.
17:48But I'm working towards getting licensed in Rhode Island as a clinical mental health counselor.
17:53And what makes you think my son needs your help?
17:56Yeah.
17:57I'm not saying it has to be me.
18:03But, from the amount of detail Oliver gave me about his present headspace and what led to it,
18:10he's going to need therapy from someone.
18:13And what amount of detail would that be, exactly?
18:18Clinically.
18:20Enough?
18:22Enough for what?
18:25It's enough to know what really happened.
18:29Every time I think there's nothing left that can surprise me,
18:33I'll put you in touch with my personal accountant.
18:45Mom?
18:48Yeah?
18:52Do you want tea?
18:56No.
19:04I understand.
19:05This may be weird at first.
19:10It's okay.
19:11You do this too.
19:12You know, you see people outside of school.
19:15My real life goal was always this.
19:19So, I'm your first patient?
19:23Yeah.
19:23Kind of are.
19:28Don't you have to be able to come clean?
19:32Tell the truth, you know?
19:35Be honest.
19:38What are you saying?
19:38You haven't been honest with me?
19:41You didn't tell me the truth.
19:44Of course I have.
19:45Yes, I did.
19:48Okay then.
19:50It's gonna work.
19:51Hey, it's already working.
19:59Uh...
20:02Uh...
20:04Uh...
20:06Uh...
20:07Uh...
20:07Uh...
20:15Uh...
20:17Please.
20:47Shiloh, you want to meet us at the crib?
20:48No, I can't. Do a shooter for me.
20:54Hello?
20:55Hey, McGaggy.
20:56Hi, Shai.
20:58Hello?
20:59It's not Shane, Mom.
21:01Don't tie up the phone.
21:04She just talked to him yesterday, didn't she?
21:06They're not going to let him call her again today.
21:07I doubt she knows what day it is.
21:11When are you coming home?
21:1220 minutes. I'm leaving work right now.
21:14Just do us all a favor and stay out of her way.
21:17Okay?
21:19Okay.
21:23You're packed.
21:25You travel Tuesday, right?
21:28Boy, orientation's probably going to be pretty hectic.
21:32A lot of new people.
21:34New living situation.
21:39What? What are you thinking right now?
21:44That you were right.
21:46That I might not be ready right now to go to Stanford.
21:55That I can't.
21:58Have you talked about any of this with your dad?
22:05No.
22:09Well, you need to, Ollie.
22:15Call him.
22:17And tell him.
22:20I can't.
22:22You want me to do it?
22:25Please, yes.
22:27Okay.
22:32Oliver St. Ledger.
22:33He dropped my brother off at our house in his car.
22:35Are you aware Mr. St. Ledger says he did not see your brother after school until Shane came to his
22:39house after midnight?
22:42Yes, I am, but it's not true.
22:43What the hell are you doing?
22:45Are you playing at trial or something?
22:47Is it supposed to be funny?
22:49No.
22:50Because it isn't.
22:51I know.
22:53I did see him.
22:55Shane didn't come right home after practice.
22:57He didn't come home until later, and when he did, I saw him.
23:01I saw him getting out of Oliver's car.
23:03I can't believe you're doing this right now.
23:04I cannot believe you can't see how wrong it is for you to do this right now.
23:10It's not like that.
23:11It's really true.
23:11It's never like that.
23:12Right?
23:14Like when your teacher kicked you.
23:16Like when the woman in the stop and shop tried to kidnap you.
23:18It's never about you wanting attention.
23:20It's always true.
23:21The jury is deciding right now, Megan.
23:25Remember?
23:26They're all sitting in a room talking about whether they're going to send your brother to prison for life.
23:35Now, I'm sorry that we are all so terrified of that, that we can't put our attention on you.
23:40I'm sorry that this is the worst fucking thing that's ever happened in the world, and you still have to
23:45make it about you.
23:46You.
23:57The people of the state of Rhode Island versus Shane Martin.
24:01Verdict, count one, voluntary manslaughter.
24:04We, the jury, find the defendant guilty.
24:22Six minutes, eleven seconds, actually.
24:26Very good for my age, huh?
24:28For anybody's age.
24:31Where were you, last time you were in the pool?
24:35Uh, 3.17.
24:37The fuck?
24:38You're going backwards now.
24:39Are you even practicing?
24:43I'm not really sleeping lately.
24:50Since the verdict.
24:53I get it.
24:55All the more reason to stay disciplined.
24:58Here's the thing.
24:59Practice.
25:00You have to do it every day.
25:02You're staying on it, right?
25:03Grow your capacity.
25:05Your number grows.
25:07That's like anything.
25:08Just keep at it.
25:10Let me know.
25:18Sometimes I just feel like I have to call Shane, but that's stupid because you can't call.
25:24No, you can't call.
25:27I tried to go see him.
25:29To be put on his visitors list, or whatever.
25:35When, um, when did you do this?
25:39I don't know.
25:40A month ago.
25:42They said he said no.
25:44Oh, wow.
25:47That's understandable too, though, right?
25:53If he said yes, would, uh...
25:55So I try to write it in a letter.
26:01I am disappointed.
26:03He didn't feel like this was something you could talk over with me first.
26:06It felt like I could start with this.
26:13Uh, but then, but then I felt like if I send it, is he even gonna open it?
26:23And if he doesn't open it, then maybe sending it at all is still the point.
26:29I don't...
26:30I don't know.
26:31Okay.
26:32Okay, what about this?
26:35Shane knows me from school.
26:38What if I asked to be put on his visitors list?
26:41You know, I-I-I don't say why.
26:44But I take that with me.
26:47And I read it.
26:49Out loud.
26:51And whatever happens next is up to him.
27:02I'm just sorry I couldn't make myself do it before.
27:06And I know it won't make me a good person to do the right thing now, but still.
27:12I'm gonna fix everything.
27:16I promise.
27:23You look a little...
27:24Yeah.
27:25The food's pretty bad here.
27:26Yeah.
27:27They serve it at weird times, whatever.
27:30I don't know why I didn't think you'd actually come.
27:32I don't know why it took me so long to ask.
27:35I mean, we didn't ever talk all that much in school, so...
27:38Oof.
27:38I'm sorry.
27:39I'm not saying that for, like, blame.
27:40No, I know you're not.
27:41It just doesn't reflect very well on me, though.
27:46So, can I ask how you are?
27:52I'm so sorry about all of this.
27:55It's just...
27:56It's really terrible.
27:58Yeah.
27:59Yeah, it's pretty terrible.
28:00Yeah.
28:04In full disclosure, and I know I should have said this up front when I first asked to come see
28:08you...
28:08Are you gonna try and write a book or something?
28:11Oh.
28:12Uh...
28:12No.
28:16I'm working with Oliver.
28:21Working with him how?
28:22Just counseling him.
28:24As his therapist.
28:27So you're with him, then?
28:29Yeah, I wouldn't let him in, so he sent you?
28:31No.
28:34Although, obviously, that's a very logical first question to ask.
28:37What does he need therapy for?
28:39Huh?
28:40Does he feel bad for what he did?
28:41Actually, yeah, he does.
28:43Which part?
28:44Killing Paul?
28:45Or killing me?
28:48I understand.
28:49It must feel...
28:51Unbelievable.
28:52What must?
28:53I don't know.
28:55I don't know.
28:56How the world...
28:57Is still turning.
29:00Like you were never even in it.
29:04Like all I am is this thing I didn't do, you mean?
29:08All because I was stupid and tried to help my friend?
29:12Do you guys talk about that?
29:14In your little fucking therapy sessions?
29:17What he did to me for trying to help him?
29:19Because if anything else, you're just another person getting paid to listen to him lie.
29:26Shane, it doesn't matter what Oliver's told me.
29:29My job isn't to judge what the truth is.
29:33And I wouldn't be in charge of anything, even if it was.
29:36It's more that his pain has made me think about yours.
29:41And how I just...
29:43I can't imagine what you're going through.
29:45Or the strength I know you'll need to find.
29:47For what?
29:49I have strength.
29:51I know you do.
29:51See, I remember that about you.
29:53Like you said, we didn't talk much, but still I could tell.
29:56You had character.
29:58Integrity.
29:59Those things matter to you.
30:05Just...
30:08Before I came to Bridgefield, I was a social worker.
30:11This was in Connecticut.
30:13And a lot of my clients were in your situation.
30:16With public defenders who were no match for white shoes.
30:19And one of my clients.
30:22Dawn.
30:25Her husband was doing 15 to life in McDougal.
30:28Dave had a carpet laying business with his cousin.
30:31And the cousin had a shady side thing where a guy ended up getting killed over money.
30:35And the cousin took a plea saying it was all Dave.
30:40And Dave just thought, he didn't do it.
30:44And that would prevail.
30:48He did not stop his frustration and rage from getting him into situations that just added more years to his
30:53sentence.
30:55Or how to live.
30:56Knowing he was only in prison in the first place off a lie from someone he trusted.
31:03And compared to you, he was lucky.
31:08He wasn't up against people with enough money to make the world exactly the way they want it.
31:19So what happened to Dave?
31:21Is he still in prison?
31:25No.
31:27And when did he get paroled?
31:32He did.
31:33I mean, I'm not going to go into details if it's okay, just out of respect.
31:40I'm just never, never going to forget that phone call.
31:47There was one tiny silver lining.
31:49Craziest, that is to say.
31:51Dave's family didn't think so, but I know Dave would have.
31:55It's something called the doctrine of abatement.
31:59Look, if you're convicted at trial, even for murder, and you die in prison before all your appeals are exhausted,
32:04your conviction's automatically set aside and your indictment is dismissed like it never even happened.
32:11When he died, because he died, as far as law and the world were concerned,
32:17Dave was an innocent man.
32:24Hey, finally no line at the vending machines.
32:26I'm going to get a soda.
32:28You want one?
32:47No, no, no, they must have, Mom.
32:48They wouldn't just say this is the prison calling, okay?
32:50Yes, they could.
32:50They said this is ACI calling, and we're sorry to...
32:53Okay, but that doesn't make any sense, Mom, okay?
32:55So are they going to call us back?
32:56He wouldn't do that to himself.
32:57He wouldn't do it to me.
32:58He would never do that.
32:59That's okay.
33:00I'm going to call them, and I'm going to find out who called us, okay?
33:02Wherever the guards, right?
33:03Where are they supposed to be watching?
33:04Where are they all going to go?
33:06It's terrible.
33:07It's a terrible thing.
33:09It's hard to even think about, the kind of desperation behind a choice like Dad.
33:15Makes you think about all your own choices in life, right?
33:18All the things you've done or haven't done.
33:24Hey, hey, hey, hey.
33:28Hey, you know the Navy SEALs use this thing to help them calm down?
33:31They're just crazy, right?
33:32These elite warriors, they train and they practice, and still, they panic.
33:36Even Navy SEALs have to make themselves remember to breathe.
33:39In for four, hold for four, out for four, hold for four.
33:44It's called box breathing.
33:45Box has four sides.
33:46You just focus on the numbers and the sides, and that's it.
33:49Four by four.
33:50Do it with me.
33:50Come on.
33:51Let's build a box together right now.
33:58One, two, three, four.
34:03One, two, three, four.
34:15Hi.
34:17Do we have a...
34:18What the fuck did he say to my brother?
34:20Excuse me?
34:21Show up out of nowhere.
34:22Get in his mind.
34:23Say who the fuck knows what until suddenly he thinks he has no way out of...
34:26Oh, my God.
34:29Can I just...
34:32I was so sorry when I heard what happened.
34:34Why were you even there, hmm?
34:36You didn't exist for Shane at school, and I know that.
34:38He never mentioned you once.
34:39To be fair, seeing the counselor is not always going to be something a student talks about at home.
34:45Right?
34:46You're telling me he fucking came to see you?
34:49HIPAA requirements say I can't tell you anything.
34:52I'm sorry.
34:53But whether he did or didn't, with a student body of 600 kids, being generally aware of all of them,
34:59and their various struggles, yeah, that was my job.
35:06Why'd you go to the prison?
35:09To offer my support.
35:10No, I want to know what kind of apocalyptic shit you said to him.
35:14Besides that fucking Oliver St. Leger sees you for therapy, which is...
35:17I just don't really know how to wrap my mind around that, actually.
35:19So he told you that, but he didn't tell you what else we talked about?
35:21Okay, he's figuring things out.
35:22He's taking fucking classes.
35:23And then here you are, and a month later, he kills himself.
35:28And you think talking to me had something to do with that?
35:32I do.
35:33And I think I have a lot of questions that I'm going to ask to whoever's responsible for you having
35:37a license to talk to anybody, okay?
35:38So just know that's what's going to be happening.
35:41Well, then maybe also ask them if they think someone without a baseline of mental instability
35:44and a history of emotional detachment of the home can be goaded into suicide
35:47by one casual conversation with a sympathetic relative stranger.
35:54Oh, this is such an awful thing.
35:57Look, I understand needing to explain it away somehow.
36:01But when an already mentally vulnerable person is put into such a challenging environment
36:07at an age where they're still struggling with coping skills
36:11and with the idea that the future even exists,
36:14not to mention a support system at home that just isn't up to the task in a real way...
36:18Fuck!
36:19Oh, Jesus.
36:21Fuck!
36:27So, as soon as court opens tomorrow,
36:29I'm going to file a temporary ex parte order of protection against you.
36:33And just to make it final...
36:35Fuck you!
36:35Okay!
36:48Did your mom go to sleep?
36:51She went to her room.
36:53Sure, she's not sleeping.
36:54Nobody sleeps in this house.
36:56Obviously.
37:06Okay.
37:07Talk show.
37:08Old movie.
37:09Infomercial.
37:09Where do you think Shane is now?
37:12Shit.
37:14I'm going to need a drink or ten for that conversation.
37:17Megan, I don't want to talk about heaven or whatever.
37:20Okay?
37:21Because you don't think he's...
37:22If there is a place he is,
37:24I hope that everything makes sense to him.
37:26That he doesn't hurt anymore.
37:28Okay?
37:30Me too.
37:32Also, I wish it was a place like that for mom to go.
37:38Yeah, I mean, mom's still alive,
37:40but I get what you're saying.
37:44I saw him that night.
37:48What does that mean?
37:51Mom and dad went to Holy Spirit Purse Bingo,
37:54and he was supposed to come home after practice and make dinner.
37:57But he didn't.
37:59So I made it.
38:01And I saw him get dropped off
38:06by a car that I saw.
38:10Whose car it was.
38:14Okay, well, did Shane know this?
38:16Yes.
38:17When?
38:19Right when he came inside.
38:20Okay, what did he say?
38:21He said he was home the whole time.
38:23And he never asked you to say anything later to anybody, ever?
38:28He thought he would.
38:32He was waiting, but he never did.
38:37Why didn't he want me to?
38:40You know what?
38:41Maybe he was afraid.
38:45Yeah.
38:46Of you bringing Oliver into it,
38:48and of Oliver's family.
38:49Of what they might do to us, to you.
38:52I mean, who knows?
38:54With people who can be what they are,
38:59you feel guilty for not saying,
39:03don't.
39:05Okay?
39:06It wouldn't have made any difference.
39:09It still would have all happened the exact same way,
39:11and you couldn't have stopped it.
39:12So please, please,
39:16don't let it de-brail your life.
39:20Okay?
39:21Come here.
39:50Ms. Martin?
39:51One of them.
39:54Which one are you?
39:57Shiloh.
39:58Is your mom Christy?
39:59Is she here too?
40:00She's not here at the moment.
40:02You live here?
40:03With her?
40:04Rub it in, why don't you?
40:06Shiloh.
40:07So, uh, you're Shane's sister.
40:09Hey, can I ask a question?
40:10Yes, we are here to ask people questions about a guy named Oliver St. Ledger.
40:16Specifically about the possible revenge killing of a guy named Oliver St. Ledger.
40:20We spoke to Annette Sparling.
40:21She gave us your address.
40:22Does your sister live here too?
40:25Megan or Ciara Wise?
40:27Which one do you call her?
40:30Look, I don't know where Megan lives.
40:32Okay?
40:34I don't even know where she is.
40:37Or if she's ever coming back.
40:56Hey.
41:02I've just been sitting here watching you breathe.
41:07You make it?
41:10You're Shane's sister.
41:13Yeah.
41:20The day that Paul Sparling died, I saw you.
41:27And I knew that you were lying.
41:31But I was no one compared to you and your family.
41:38And there was nothing that I could do.
41:43And it just kept spinning out of control my whole life.
41:47Even so many years later, spinning out of control.
41:51And I wanted to hurt you.
41:55And I wanted to hurt you.
41:56I really, really wanted to hurt you.
42:00And so I made a plan.
42:04But then I started to know you.
42:07And I saw how lonely you were.
42:13That I didn't need to do anything to ruin your life because you were doing that on your own.
42:23I really wanted to tell you the truth.
42:27I had so many opportunities to tell you the truth and I didn't.
42:38I'm sorry.
42:43I'm sorry.
42:44I am sorry.
42:45He was my best friend.
42:48And your brother, he didn't deserve that.
42:53But your brother didn't do anything to ruin your life.
42:56It was me.
43:00I know that.
43:04But I knew that.
43:10Thank you for saying that.
43:12Because I think I really needed you to say that to me.
43:22And I'm so in love with you.
43:27I'm so in love with you.
43:29Yeah.
43:30Yeah.
43:55I can't say that I am surprised that you're a Tom Petty fan.
43:58But if I hear another Tom Petty song in the next million years, it'll be too fucking soon.
44:02When was Tom Petty bothering you?
44:04When I was driving and you were sleeping?
44:06Or when I was driving and you were sleeping?
44:11So do we think Megan Martin, slash Sierra Wise, is somewhere in the world with or without Oliver
44:20Kennedy?
44:21Yeah, we all know that.
44:23I said we think, not we know.
44:27But you do agree that that's the first road we should go down for?
44:30Okay, yeah, it's the first road, but it's not the only one.
44:40One, two, three.
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