Prêt à l'Ukraine: les ministres de l'UE se réunissent face au blocage de la Hongrie et de la Slovaquie

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05:59de la Russie, la nourriture de la guerre de l'économie de la Russie.

06:03Et ensuite, numéro 3, la démonstration d'export de produits luxueux de l'Europe à la Russie.

06:10Parce que je pense que c'est une peste qu'ils puissent encore aller en achat comme usual.

06:15Et cette annoncement est censée être faite par Ursula von der Leyen tomorrow symboliquement en Kiev,

06:19quatre ans que l'invasion de la full-scale de l'invasion a commencé.

06:22Elle doit maintenant avoir de l'invasion empty-handed ?

06:24Nous ne savons pas encore. Je suis toujours optimiste.

06:28Je suis vraiment d'accord que nous pouvons mettre de l'invasion en ces deux pays.

06:33Mais nous allons voir.

06:35Il y a un ancillement aujourd'hui et ensuite l'ambassadeur de l'invasion.

06:39Donc je ne suis pas encore donné.

06:41Parce que c'est pas juste le sanctioned package que nous parlons de l'invasion,

06:44c'est aussi le 90 billion euro lifeline que Hungary est maintenant bloquée.

06:47Et nous avons décidé de prendre ça.

06:50Donc c'est un disgrace que ils ne pas pas le pass.

06:54Mais nous allons continuer de mettre de l'invasion en eux.

06:56J'ai peur qu'il y a beaucoup de politique domestique dans tout cela,

07:01avec l'élections qui s'est passé en Hongrie.

07:03Et c'est une frustration, bien sûr,

07:07quand nous voyons que les Ukrainien se souffrent tous les jours.

07:10Et aussi que la Russie est de l'invasion en plus en plus en plus en plus.

07:14Donc maintenant est le temps de changer le calcul.

07:17Et c'est quoi sur les talks pour finir la guerre, les US-brokered talks ?

07:20N'y a pas de confiance en eux ?

07:21Et est-il le temps d'avoir un envoy d'EU à parler à Vladimir Putin ?

07:55Ils ont perdu plus de 1 million de vies.

07:59Donc on a toujours besoin de mettre plus de pression sur eux,

08:02parce qu'ils sont de l'invasion et c'est la seule façon d'avoir qu'ils intéressent

08:07en sérieux des talks de la paix.

08:09Et ce qu'est-ce que l'EU de l'Université pour l'Ukraine ?

08:11Vous soutenez-vous cela par 2027 ?

08:14Nous sommes des grands supporters de l'EU de l'Université pour l'Ukraine

08:18et nous soutenons aussi leur path de l'EU de l'Université.

08:21Je veux dire, c'est un processus-là qui est important

08:24qu'ils puissent atteindre les niveaux qui sont nécessaires

08:28dans différents zones, mais nous allons faire tout ce que nous pouvons

08:32pour assurer qu'ils puissent devenir membres de l'Université.

08:35Mais 2027 n'est pas realistic ?

08:37C'est un très élevé, mais nous allons soutenir qu'ils puissent

08:44en sorte qu'ils puissent atteindre cette voie.

08:46Et juste, Minister, une autre grande histoire

08:47que nous suivons ici sur Euronews,

08:49une grande annoncement de Donald Trump

08:50concernant les nouveaux tarifs de l'Université.

08:52Comment l'EU répondit à l'Université ?

08:54Avec l'Université et avec l'EU de l'Université,

08:57comme nous avons fait l'université.

08:59Mais on va être très clair, les tarifs sont des taxes.

09:02Ils sont très harmés pour les entreprises, pour les entreprises.

09:07Et pour l'économie, overall.

09:10Je veux dire, maintenant, j'espère que l'Université

09:11de expliquer ce qui est la route pour eux.

09:16Mais, of course, nous voulons avoir moins de tarifs.

09:21Alors, ce que je préfère, c'est no tarifs.

09:25Et si il y a plus de tarifs,

09:26s'il y a plus d'économie de l'Université ?

09:30A trade war is not what we need,

09:33but if needed, we should be able to show strength

09:37and, above all, unity.

09:39OK, Minister Nuttman, c'est une parole.

09:40Thank you so much for coming into us today on Europe Today.

09:42All the best for that Foreign Affairs Minister's meeting.

09:45But as you heard there, Brussels a little bit in wait-and-see mode

09:48over that fresh announcement from Donald Trump

09:50about global tariffs.

09:51Senior trade MEPs have been telling us here at Euronews

09:54that they're staying calm so as not to add fuel to the fire.

09:57But there is a big debate now on whether or not

09:59to freeze the EU-US trade deal.

10:01For analysis, shortly, we'll be joined here on set

10:04by our EU news editor, Maria Todayo.

10:06But first, a quick refresher on what exactly is going on.

10:09Jakub Yanis reports.

10:12In Soviet Russia, there was a famous joke.

10:15You turn on the radio and hear about Lenin.

10:18You open the newspaper and read about Lenin.

10:21Now I'm terrified to open my fridge.

10:24These days, one could say the same about Donald Trump

10:28and his global tariffs.

10:29Because after a US Supreme Court ruling

10:32called his last week tariffs unconstitutional,

10:35Trump simply doubled down and announced

10:38a new 15% import tax anyway.

10:41So what actually happened and how it will affect you?

10:45The Supreme Court ruled that the US Constitution

10:48gives the power of taxation

10:50strictly to Congress, not the President.

10:53By using emergency laws to tax the world,

10:56Trump overstepped his authority.

10:59And for the EU, this creates chaos.

11:02Last summer's still unratified EU-US trade deal

11:06capping tariffs at 15%

11:08is now in legal limbo.

11:10And with those powers voided,

11:13the European Commission is asking now for clarity

11:16as European companies could potentially get billions

11:19in refunds for the tariffs they already paid.

11:22But here is the catch.

11:24This doesn't affect Trump's older tariffs

11:27on steel, aluminium and cars,

11:30which relied on completely different laws.

11:32But even with a conservative Republican-nominated majority,

11:37the Supreme Court still ruled against Trump.

11:40And in response, he publicly attacked the very justices

11:44appointed by Republican presidents.

11:46They're just being fools and lapdogs for the rhinos

11:49and the radical-left Democrats.

11:52So, back to that fridge joke.

11:54If these new tariffs hold,

11:56expect whatever the EU imports from the US

11:58to get more expensive.

12:00But there is hope.

12:02Danish shoppers are now using a new app

12:05that scans products to help you easily find

12:08local alternatives to US imports.

12:10So perhaps it's time for Europe

12:12to follow the famous motto

12:14Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

12:22Yeah, Kapiannis reporting there.

12:23And to hear now what the EU could do,

12:25or at least hear what tools they have at their disposal,

12:27I'm joined here on set by our EU news editor,

12:30Maria Tadeo.

12:31Good morning, Maria.

12:32Good morning.

12:32So, look, we heard there about this causing chaos in Brussels.

12:35What are you hearing?

12:36Well, it is chaos because, Maeve,

12:38there are two big questions this morning.

12:40One is the validity of the deal that was made

12:42between the European Union and the US last year.

12:45And then, of course, a question of refunds,

12:47which is not a minor question

12:48for European companies.

12:50And when you look at that ruling on Friday,

12:52of course, the Supreme Court

12:54does not enter the merit of the tariffs.

12:55It does not say whether this is good or right policy,

12:58whether this was wrong or right.

12:59But it does say that the way

13:01in which these tariffs were designed,

13:02it is illegal.

13:04It's been struck down.

13:05The issue is that, of course,

13:06those Liberation Day tariffs

13:07were the basis of that deal

13:09that the EU and the United States

13:11cut in the summer,

13:1215% tariff that was included in that package.

13:16But over the weekend,

13:17I spoke to a number of lawyers

13:18who told me,

13:19look, if the legal basis changes,

13:21you could argue that deal,

13:23in many ways, no longer applies.

13:25So there is a question of the validity of it

13:27going forward.

13:28When it comes to the refunds,

13:30European companies have been paying

13:31that 15% threshold.

13:33Remember, tariffs basically tripled

13:35for European companies

13:37since the end of last summer.

13:39They could say,

13:39I want to get a refund.

13:41Who's going to pay that differentiation

13:43between the tariffs that were now put

13:44over the weekend

13:45to sort of salvo the situation

13:47from the U.S.

13:48and the tariffs that have already been paid.

13:50And then, of course,

13:50we cannot forget that this deal

13:52also included a broader agreement,

13:54which also meant investments in the U.S.

13:57when it comes to Europe

13:58and also the purchases of energy.

14:00What the European Parliament is saying,

14:01and there will be a meeting today,

14:03is that this is not the right time

14:05for the full implementation of this deal

14:07because, again,

14:08the legal basis has changed.

14:10So there's a lot of questions.

14:11The United States also conceded

14:12over the weekend

14:13they do not have an answer

14:14to these questions.

14:15And then, of course,

14:16this deal which was vilified last summer.

14:18Remember, Europe and the Commission

14:20was accused of selling out

14:21the European Union.

14:22This was a deal objectively

14:24tilted in favour of the U.S.

14:26The argument at the time was

14:27it's going to provide certainty

14:28and clarity.

14:29Well, this morning,

14:30I would argue,

14:31there's a complete opposite.

14:32There's not a lot of certainty.

14:33There is not, no.

14:35Marie Itzale,

14:35thank you so much for that update

14:36and for more, of course,

14:37do take a look at yournews.com.

14:39But now, as promised,

14:40it is time to head back

14:41over to the European Council

14:42foreign affairs meeting

14:43here in Brussels

14:44and bring back our Shona Murray

14:46who's been catching up

14:47with foreign ministers

14:48as they arrive there

14:49on the red carpet.

14:50Shona, what's the latest?

14:54Well, good morning, Maeve,

14:55and welcome back

14:55to this foreign affairs

14:56ministers meeting

14:57on the eve of the fourth anniversary

14:58of Russia's full-scale

14:59invasion of Ukraine.

15:00And I'm joined now

15:01by the foreign affairs

15:02minister of Lithuania,

15:03Minister Budris,

15:05who, of course,

15:05Lithuania is a frontline

15:06country minister.

15:07Just tell us, first of all,

15:09your reaction

15:09to that bombshell announcement

15:11by Hungary

15:11over the weekend on Friday

15:12about blocking

15:13this lifeline loan.

15:15That was very frustrating,

15:16of course,

15:17and we were expecting

15:17that everything was

15:18already prepared

15:19for the fourth anniversary

15:20and we will be ready

15:22to deliver new sanctions package,

15:2320 sanctions package

15:24and also 90 billion euros

15:27loan to Ukraine

15:28and that will be something

15:29to show that Europe

15:30is solid,

15:31Europe is resolved

15:33and we can deliver.

15:35Now we cannot

15:35and this is really frustrating.

15:37On the other hand,

15:38it's not the first time

15:39when we see one country

15:40blocking our collective action

15:43for the internal politics,

15:45I don't know for what reasons,

15:46but they're absolutely

15:47in opposite

15:48to European security interests

15:50and we have to be

15:50very honest about it,

15:52whether we are still

15:53the family of the countries

15:54that are sharing the values,

15:55sharing the security interests

15:57and sharing the future,

15:58whether we are in 27

15:59really effective

16:00because we cannot be disrupted

16:02each time by these vetoes.

16:04Indeed, you told me

16:05just a few minutes ago

16:05that you will look

16:06the Hungarian foreign affairs minister

16:09in the eye,

16:10Peter Sarto.

16:10What do you say to him today?

16:12That's what we expect

16:14from the partners,

16:15what we expect

16:15from the European Union

16:17and we expect

16:17a clear explanation

16:18of how it contradicts

16:19their national interests

16:21because this is the only reason

16:23how you can block

16:24the collective action

16:25and we saw so many times

16:27this exploitation

16:27of the principle

16:29of unanimity.

16:30We have to review

16:31whether we have to review

16:32the very decision-making process

16:34or we have to review

16:35the powers

16:36of one of the member states

16:38because we cannot continue

16:40like this

16:41because so many difficult issues

16:43are in front of us.

16:44So that is actually

16:45the key question here.

16:46That's what everybody

16:46I've spoken to

16:47over the weekend

16:47is saying.

16:48This cannot go on

16:49that one country

16:50can use and abuse the veto.

16:51What should the solution be

16:53in relation to Hungary

16:54because it is the country

16:55that does it the most?

16:56We have to go into

16:58the discussion

16:59about the decision-making

17:00in the common

17:00foreign security policy

17:02and whether we should

17:02move to QMV.

17:03Lithuania was one

17:04of the biggest skeptics

17:05and we were supporters

17:07of unanimity.

17:08Now I see how it is

17:10how it is disrupted

17:11each time.

17:12Now I'm also leaning

17:13to the position

17:13that we should use

17:14more QMV.

17:15Another thing is

17:16the principles

17:17that we have

17:18in Article 7

17:19what allows us

17:20to reduce

17:21the voting rights

17:22of one of the member

17:23if we cannot proceed further.

17:24Because with Article 7

17:26just to interrupt you there

17:26I mean it's not been possible

17:28to get a consensus there

17:29or even a two-thirds majority.

17:31Do you think

17:31that might have changed

17:32that EU member states

17:33are a bit more frustrated

17:34with Hungary

17:35that they might push for this?

17:36When I see the faces

17:38across the table

17:39I understand what is

17:40you know beneath there

17:41what will be the precedent

17:42for the future

17:43but we cannot

17:44block ourselves

17:45because otherwise

17:46we would move to

17:46other formats

17:47to make a decision

17:48but not the EU.

17:49It means that it will be

17:50the end for EU

17:51as geopolitical actor

17:52in the future

17:52so this is what is at stake

17:54I'm not even mentioning

17:55the European security

17:56architecture in the future

17:57so this is a real

17:58tough issue

17:59if we cannot proceed

18:01we cannot each time

18:02prepare some carrots

18:03to the donkey

18:04to move further

18:06so we have to

18:07you know

18:07take also sticks.

18:09Okay so what is

18:09the immediate resolution

18:10to this?

18:11Okay because if this

18:1190 billion euro loan

18:13is blocked

18:14we know that Ukraine

18:15is going to run out of money

18:15within the next 6 to 8 weeks

18:17what's the solution?

18:18Is it bilateral loans

18:19from member states?

18:21I mean what to do?

18:22I still have the hope

18:24I'm optimistic

18:24that we will proceed further

18:26there are some certain

18:27instruments

18:27that the European Commission

18:28has

18:29and there are some

18:30interests also

18:31of Hungary

18:32what they want to receive

18:33from the European Union

18:35so I'm optimistic

18:36that we will get there

18:37but we are late

18:38because Ukrainians

18:39need money right now

18:40and of course

18:41there are bilateral tracks

18:42and on this one

18:43we also have to be

18:44really honest

18:45those are Nordic

18:46Baltic countries

18:47Germany, Netherlands

18:48probably

18:49Poland

18:50some others

18:50I won't name everyone

18:51but not every country

18:53supports Ukraine

18:54at the same level

18:55some of them

18:56only talk more

18:59or invest some other material

19:01but not the finances

19:02they need hard currency

19:03and money

19:04Okay Minister for Lithuania

19:05thank you very much

19:06for joining us

19:06on Euronews

19:07and back to you

19:08Maeve

19:09Thank you so much

19:10Shona Murray

19:11and of course

19:11to the Lithuanian

19:12Foreign Minister

19:12Kestusti Spudrys there

19:14for more on those

19:15awkward conversations

19:16taking place

19:16inside that foreign

19:17ministers meeting

19:18in Brussels

19:19do keep an eye

19:20on Euronews.com

19:21and tune in tomorrow morning

19:22we'll have a very special edition

19:24of Europe Today

19:25focused on the impact

19:26the full-scale war

19:27on Ukraine has had

19:28and what it means as well

19:29for the EU

19:30Thanks so much for watching

19:31take care

19:32bye from Brussels

20:00We'll see you next time

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