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主持人: 安姿麗(Anjali Rao)

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00:02she's taiwan's golden girl of music for 15 years armay has been wowing the chinese-speaking world
00:09with her unique sound and stage prowess born into an aboriginal clan in eastern taiwan
00:15she first gained attention with this song a duet with the late music producer chang yu sheng
00:25it didn't take long for armay to secure her own record deal and release her first album to
00:30critical and commercial acclaim with songs like this since then her music and fashion may have
00:43evolved but she's stayed true to her indigenous roots and even recorded under her aboriginal name
00:50amit for her 2010 album but it hasn't all been smooth sailing for the musician once hailed as an
00:57asian hero she was temporarily banned by mainland china for singing the taiwanese anthem at the
01:04inauguration of president chen shui bien now at 38 years of age she's proven her longevity in the
01:12music business with the release of her 15th studio album and a new single
01:20this week on talk asia we're in taipei with armay
01:35armay welcome to talk asia it's good to have you with us now you have been a near constant feature
01:40on the music scene here since the late 90s and you continue to stand out as the only known
01:46taiwanese tribal pop star why do you think that your music has been so successful and so enduring
01:53i think perhaps it's because of my passion for music i've been exposed to music ever since i was a
02:04child singing music to me is a part of life i think i have a lot of passion for music
02:10and when i hold so
02:11much passion i'm easily inspired and i want to share my inspiration with people when i'm performing
02:15on stage or for my album i think this is perhaps the reason that people have been very supportive
02:20and have encouraged me to produce good music you've also um won six awards at the golden melodies
02:27which are like the chinese language grammys that's the most for a single artist ever
02:37of course and i'm very happy since i began my career more than a decade ago i've produced a new
02:43album every year it's been such a transitional time because i've changed my music style i think my fans
02:49are actually receptive of my fresh start and i've gone on to win many awards at the golden melodies
02:54all of this has given me drive to keep going
03:14i also feel that since i don't normally try to attract too much attention when i'm producing albums
03:19and everyone has acknowledged my latest work in spite of that especially when i'm trying a new
03:24style it's really motivational you were born into the buyuma clan of aborigines in the eastern mountains
03:32of taiwan which sounds very mystical indeed um how different was your life then to the glamorous
03:40existence you leave now you lead now my hometown in the east is a very tranquil town where life goes
03:48on
03:49slowly my life in the tribe can be described by one word simple everything is simplified very simple
03:56resources very simple thoughts very simple happiness a simple lifestyle was sufficient for us to live in
04:02the tribe so transitioning from such a simple life in the tribe to my fast-paced life in the city
04:08especially given my current profession as an artist i think was extremely different at the beginning
04:14it took me about three to four years to adjust to the fact that i need to approach things
04:18differently compared to when i was in the tribe during that transitional period i encountered quite
04:23a few obstacles because i had to transform my introverted and rather shy personality into an artist
04:29who has to have the ability to excite tens of thousands of fans on stage i think this transition
04:34is quite incredible for example one day i could be performing on stage in front of tens of thousands
04:39of people but at the end of the day i could be back in my tribe resting barefoot in the
04:43backyard
04:44chatting with my siblings and relatives appreciating the surroundings and the singing but it's not
04:49been an easy road for your tribe the bainan um basically when the first chinese settlers came here
04:56they took your land off you and kicked you guys up into the mountains um is there any sort of
05:00resentment
05:01or ill will that your tribe feels towards greater taiwanese society
05:07i don't think my generation feels very strongly about this we live very peacefully even when i was
05:16growing up it was extremely rare to see any disagreements or fights among different tribes
05:21i think everyone from my generation lives in harmony with each other at the beginning of my career there
05:26was a lack of communication between all of the tribes in taiwan when my first album was released there
05:31was a call for deeper communication and understanding among tribes that was when people started noticing
05:36me oh she's from a tribe and her tribal tunes are mixed with pop songs and that adds a special
05:41flavor
05:41to the mainstream music
06:04your debut single sisters was unlike anything else that was out there at the time because it featured all
06:10these tribal rhythms what did the members of your tribe back home think about you know the idea
06:15that one of their own was going mainstream it was quite an unbelievable time for them mixing tribal
06:25rhythms into the pop songs was an innovative and unique combination then i also felt extremely proud when
06:31i was recording the sister single i thought wow i'm representing my tribe and i can sing my hometown rhymes
06:37and i can intertwine pop songs with tribal tunes i felt extremely happy then i was very happy and
06:45passionate about the fact that i could introduce my tribe and tribal music to all my fans all over the
06:50world it was such an honor for me you aren't the first taiwanese aboriginal singer um but you are the
06:57first one who hasn't tried to hide it reportedly um did you ever think about concealing your true identity
07:10actually i'm not the first famous taiwanese aboriginal singer because there have been a lot of
07:15aboriginal singers who were established before me perhaps at the time i was a bit concerned about
07:20publicly advertising my aboriginal identity but personally i don't feel that i should have anything to
07:25hide at all i think my tribe is a truly beautiful tribe and the fact that i enjoy singing is
07:31precisely because
07:32of my background and upbringing so when i became a professional artist i never felt the need to
07:37conceal my origin in fact i was hoping that more people would know that i'm from a minority tribe
07:42the banan tribe and i want people to understand more about us i believe artists before me have also
07:51tried to encourage awareness but during my time particularly the public has started to pay more
07:56attention to aboriginal singers coming up armay opens up about the controversy surrounding a presidential
08:13performance
08:32the lyrics in your songs though are about you know love and heartbreak and stuff that you know plenty of
08:40others sing about as well how do you make sure that you don't get lumped in with them that you
08:45sort of stand alone as your own artist i think the type of songs my fans are most familiar with
08:55are love ballads probably because almost everyone can relate to a love ballad a lot of people have asked
09:01why all my love ballads strike such a chord with them and make the pain of past experiences resurface
09:07i'm an extremely sensitive person and i'm very sensitive to all types of emotions
09:12my songs include my personal experiences of love as well as what i've seen in other people
09:17in movies stories and books you are the third youngest of nine kids uh what are the best bits and
09:25the worst bits about growing up in such a big family the best bits about living in a large family
09:31are of course the atmosphere the older kids can take care of the younger ones and the younger ones
09:36can always see comfort from their old siblings you never feel lonely and there's always someone to
09:41speak to when you feel lost i think this is the best part of a large family as to the
09:46worst bits of a
09:47big family i think it's perhaps the lack of personal space this isn't that big a problem when you
09:52were younger but as you grow older sometimes you can feel i want to be alone i don't want anyone
09:56around me also all the decision making process needs to take everyone into consideration in a big
10:04family especially my family my parents place a lot of emphasis on the harmony and relationships within
10:10the family all the siblings must support each other so you really can't do whatever you want
10:15you must put your family before yourself i guess that's the downside of a big family
10:21interesting that you say it like that that you know your parents were into harmony because
10:24they sang both of them and your sisters also sang and of course you did a lot as a kid
10:31and you entered a national singing contest you got to the finals you're doing really well
10:37then something terrible happened you forgot the words yes take me back to that episode
10:49in retrospect i think that singing competition was a rather important step in my singing career
10:54because that contest made me feel that i was beginning to compete in a more professional setting
11:00in fact that competition was important to a lot of people back then why because i came from a very
11:06small
11:06village also i entered as an aboriginal so when i was competing almost everyone was watching it and
11:12thinking that we're cheering for you you have to win the competition so i felt a lot of pressure
11:18especially since i entered the contest solely because of my father
11:21my father's health was deteriorating and i was usually the one who'd go and take care of him in the
11:26hospital he said something to me that made me feel determined to enter the competition for him
11:31my father said all the candidates singing on tv don't sing as well as you do you can sing much
11:38better than them you should enter the competition so i can see you win after he told me that i
11:46knew
11:46he wanted me to enter the contest so i did the entire competition process was a long stressful
11:52nerve-wracking and exhausting experience and when i came so close to winning i forgot the lyrics
11:58maybe because i was too nervous so the competition stopped when i forgot the words and i lost i remember
12:05feeling extremely defeated then and before heading back to my village i told myself that i would never
12:09sing again because singing is no longer joyful and obviously your father wasn't discouraged because he
12:15encouraged you to enter again the following year but he died without being able to actually see you win
12:23it at that time what sort of an impact did his passing have on you since i was young my
12:32father
12:33played a very important role to me he was a very good friend often my father would tell me that
12:38if you
12:39want to do something you have to actually do it when you've done it we will clap for you because
12:44it means
12:44that you've succeeded if you tried your best to do it but failed you'd realize that at least you've tried
12:50and that maybe it's not the right thing for you so i think my father has always instilled this belief
12:55in me i always hold this in my heart and everything i do i put all my efforts into doing
13:00something
13:01and once i've done that the rest is out of my control i have to admit that when i re
13:06-entered the
13:06contest and again came so close to winning and my father suddenly passed away his death was another
13:12really cruel defeat for me i remember my mother telling me please don't think that your father left you
13:18when he died in fact he's still watching over you from above seeing whether you are trying your best
13:23to finish what you've started when my mother told me this i thought okay i'll finish the competition
13:29for my father as soon as i received first prize i returned to my tribe and visited my father's grave
13:39i left the trophy with him and said i've listened to everything you said i tried my hardest with
13:45everything i've done now that i've finished what i set out to do and have everyone's praise now i need
13:51you to acknowledge it i hope you know that i did it and that you're clapping for me from up
13:56high
13:57even now i've gotten into the habit of talking to my father regardless of what i do
14:11so
14:36By 2000, you had become a household name, and that led to Chen Shui-bian asking you
14:41to sing the Taiwanese anthem at his presidential inauguration.
14:47He was seen very much by China as a splittist, somebody who wanted independence.
14:53Did you have any idea that by singing you would be tarred with the same brush?
15:03This question has been bothering me for quite a while.
15:07Everyone knows that since the beginning of my singing career, I've never touched on politics.
15:11For artists like me, I want to sing to everyone who likes music and everyone who listens to
15:15my songs.
15:16We don't like to get involved in sensitive subjects.
15:19So this has bothered me for quite a long time.
15:22Let me explain this in a very simple manner.
15:24I was a singer then.
15:26I had a record company and I had an agency.
15:29So the artist must act in accordance to the arrangements made by the companies who have
15:33hired them.
15:33I believe both my record company and agency didn't think much about the performance either.
15:39So for me, I was obligated to do what my company had arranged for me to do.
15:43I have never had any political preference.
15:46Throughout my musical life, or just my life in general, I have never felt the urge to be
15:50a political spokesperson.
15:51I only strive to do my job.
15:53And in doing so, I have to carry out my contract as a singer.
15:56To be honest, the incident had huge implications.
15:59I shouldered all the pressure and the rumors on my own.
16:02But trust me, professional artists don't want to complicate their lives.
16:06Sprite axed you as its spokesperson.
16:09Beijing decided to ban you from playing on the mainland, though eventually they relented
16:13and said, OK, you can come back and tour.
16:15So you did that.
16:16And then in 2004, when you were touring on the mainland, protesters demanded that you sing
16:22the Chinese national anthem.
16:38In my opinion, the big issue about the relationship between the two sides is not something I could
16:43comment on, because I don't think that I'm qualified to comment on it.
16:47To me, just as I said before, it's very simple.
16:50I am a singer, so there shouldn't be so many complicated relationships added upon me.
16:55So I only hope that prominent figures do not place too much complication upon professional
16:59artists, because we all hope that everyone is good, just like my songs.
17:04They convey love, peace, and feelings.
17:07I hope the same for the world.
17:10Coming up, TalkAsia hits the stage with Ame to talk about a very special concert.
17:16Big
17:20I've been a long time for a long time.
17:23I won't regret.
17:27I love you, let the end of the day be before.
17:31We must be together.
17:35We must be able to meet the end of the day.
17:44In 2007, you put out A May Star, which sold a million copies and featured the hit single, A Moment,
17:52with Jam Chao.
17:54Did you feel at that point that the troubles were behind you?
18:01I think everyone would experience ups and downs in life.
18:04And to me, I also think that my career is filled with both high points and low points.
18:09I've always told myself not to be bothered by too many irrelevant things, so I have trouble focusing on what
18:15I want to concentrate on.
18:17Therefore, I've always tried to face an issue, to deal with it, and to eventually let it go.
18:22I think even though this process requires practice, I think I've done a decent job so far.
18:28Away from the studio, you've been working with World Vision as well.
18:32You've even traveled to Sudan along with that role.
18:36Has what you've seen and experienced with that position affected your outlook on life?
18:44Since the beginning of my career, I've always liked to do charity work.
18:48At first I did it rather quietly and slowly, but gradually I began to work with larger organizations, and the
18:54impact became much bigger.
18:56I'm also very glad to participate in such work.
18:59To me, I think regardless if it's in Taiwan or elsewhere in the world, there are so many people in
19:04need of help,
19:05so there must be someone who initiates the helping effort for them, someone to create a large impact in order
19:11to help as many people as possible.
19:13So to me, the next big goal in my life, on top of my passion for music, is to help
19:18as many people as I can through charity work.
19:21For example, I collaborated with World Vision to implement a fund.
19:25This fund targets many Aboriginal children to fulfill their dreams.
19:29For example, some children cannot go to school, and some face really difficult financial situations.
19:34However, some of them have very unique talent or ability, but they don't have any financial support to obtain training.
19:41So this fund can help these children to complete their studies.
19:44I believe this is a wonderful plan, and we are currently working on different cases under the fund.
20:08This is one of the stages where you have played previously, and we'll talk about that in just a minute.
20:13But it wasn't that long ago where you decided to perform your first concert under your new name, which is
20:22your tribal name, Amit.
20:23Yes.
20:24What was the name change about?
20:30Actually, to me, since the beginning of my career until right now, more than a decade later,
20:36I think I've mostly sang pop music, including love ballads and dance songs.
20:40After singing many different types of songs, I've always hoped to create a new brand for me to experiment more
20:47authentic music.
20:48So in recent years, the government implemented a new policy to allow Aboriginal people to convert their names back.
20:57So at the time, since my Aboriginal name is Amit, I thought, Ame is me, Amit is also me.
21:04So why not use my Aboriginal name, Amit, to establish a completely new music brand?
21:10And when you did take to this particular stage, I understand that the audience was a little bit different than
21:17usual.
21:23Actually, ever since I began my career, a lot of my very loyal and supportive fans are from the gay
21:29community.
21:30These fans brought me a lot of encouragement and support.
21:33I think, I don't know why, but I've always had this special kind of connection with them.
21:37They consider me a very good friend, and I can be their good friend naturally as well.
21:43Perhaps it's because I'm surrounded by a lot of talented professionals who are gay, be it the composer or concert
21:48organizers.
21:49They all supported me greatly.
21:51So after my new albums released, I organized a special party, a boys only party.
21:57Only boys came.
21:59I thought it was quite fun.
22:01It gave me an opportunity to thank them properly.
22:04That night was definitely a crazy night.
22:06Seeing them being very happy made me very happy as well.
22:10So what does this all mean for Ame then?
22:13Is she dead?
22:16No, no, no, no.
22:18Actually, I hope to continue my career through two different brands of music.
22:22Ame will continue on with what the audiences are familiar with, such as love ballads, pop songs, and rock music.
22:29Ame, on the other hand, will take on a more daring and modern approach, be it the lyrics or compositions.
22:35I think I can expand my creative space through these two different brands.
22:39So I am Ame, and I am also Ame.
22:42I will always be on stage performing different types of songs for my fans.
22:47Thank you so much, honey. It was brilliant.
22:49See you soon. Take care. Bye.
22:52Bye.
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