The controversy around a reported birthday note allegedly sent by Leslie Wexner to Jeffrey Epstein has reignited scrutiny of their past association, business dealings, and social ties. The note, reportedly signed “Your friend, Leslie,” surfaced during legal questioning and depositions, fueling public outrage and renewed debate over how closely the two were connected during Epstein’s years operating within elite financial and social circles.
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00:00:02I think the request was to write a card or a note or something for a birthday book.
00:00:08And did that come from Ms. Maxwell?
00:00:10I don't remember.
00:00:14Mr. Wexner, would you please read the main body of the birthday note for the record, please?
00:00:21I wanted to get you what you want, so here it is.
00:00:26Happy birthday, your friend Leslie.
00:00:29And what was your understanding of what Mr. Wexner would want?
00:00:36He was a bachelor, so I drew a pair of boobs.
00:00:43It's kind of a joke and offhandedly, I'd say.
00:00:47I understand.
00:00:49I hope you do.
00:00:52You've said a few times throughout this deposition today that you did not consider Mr. Epstein a friend of yours.
00:00:59However, you signed this letter, and I quote, your friend Leslie.
00:01:04Why would you sign your friend Leslie to someone you did not consider to be a friend of yours?
00:01:10I don't know.
00:01:14I normally say less, not Leslie, either, when I write notes.
00:01:18And, you know, I guess I could, I can't explain why I would say you're friends if we weren't friends.
00:01:29Did you ever speak to Ms. Maxwell directly about this particular letter?
00:01:36No.
00:01:36No.
00:01:37Any birthday book compiled for Jeffrey Epstein's 50th birthday in January of 2003?
00:01:50I will give you a second to familiarize yourself with the letter.
00:01:55What's the example most?
00:01:56Six.
00:01:57Yes.
00:02:13Mr. Wexner, is this letter familiar to you?
00:02:19I have seen it before, yes.
00:02:22Where have you seen it before?
00:02:26I'm part of, I think, the document's preparation for today's meeting.
00:02:35Did you yourself write this letter to Mr. Epstein?
00:02:39Sadly, I did.
00:02:43Did Ms. Maxwell approach you to write this letter for Mr. Epstein's birthday?
00:02:52I think the request was to write a card or a note or something for a birthday book.
00:02:58And did that come from Ms. Maxwell?
00:03:00I don't remember.
00:03:05Mr. Wexner, would you please read the main body of the birthday note for the record, please?
00:03:11I wanted to get you what you want.
00:03:15So here it is.
00:03:16Happy birthday, your friend Leslie.
00:03:19And what was your understanding of what Ms. Epstein would want?
00:03:26He was a bachelor, so I drew a pair of boobs.
00:03:34As kind of a joke and offhandedly, I'd say.
00:03:38I understand.
00:03:40I hope you do.
00:03:42You've said a few times throughout this deposition today that you did not consider Mr. Epstein a friend of yours.
00:03:50However, you signed this letter, and I quote, your friend Leslie.
00:03:54Why would you sign your friend Leslie to someone you did not consider to be a friend of yours?
00:04:00I don't know.
00:04:05I normally say Les, not Leslie, either, when I write notes.
00:04:09And, you know, I guess I could, I can't explain why I would say your friend, because we weren't friends.
00:04:20Did you ever speak to Ms. Maxwell directly about this particular letter?
00:04:26No.
00:04:27Did you ever speak to Mr. Epstein directly about this particular letter?
00:04:32No.
00:04:35Was this letter something that you would commonly send, um, like a better term, business associates?
00:04:44No, of course not.
00:04:51I was trying to be funny.
00:05:04I'm going to mark as majority exhibit seven a photo.
00:05:23I'll give you a second to review.
00:05:24You want more?
00:05:25One more.
00:05:36Are you in this photo?
00:05:39Yes.
00:05:40And Ms. Epstein is also in this photo?
00:05:42Yes.
00:05:43And a third individual is redacted in this photo?
00:05:46Yes.
00:05:48Do you have any way of knowing who the redacted individual in this photo is?
00:05:52I know who the redacted person is in this photo.
00:05:55Who is that redacted person?
00:05:56My wife.
00:05:57Understood.
00:05:59Um, do you recall?
00:06:00The man in the back is Peter Lurson.
00:06:02And the picture was taken in Bremen when the vote was launched.
00:06:05We got a bunch of pictures of the vote launching.
00:06:09Uh, do you recall what year that was?
00:06:13Uh, do you recall what year that was?
00:06:19We had two children.
00:06:22Probably three or four years after we were married.
00:06:27And did you invite Mr. Epstein to this vote launch party or event?
00:06:32That's what I recall.
00:06:35Can you recall who would have invited Mr. Epstein to this event?
00:06:38No.
00:07:05It is 2.08 and the majority will end this hour now and go off the record.
00:07:15We can go back on the record.
00:07:20Welcome back.
00:07:23Got just a couple of follow ups about some things you've already touched on.
00:07:29Uh, the New York City house.
00:07:33Um, do you remember when Epstein first had some kind of ownership interest?
00:07:40In the home?
00:07:44I think you may have said after 1993.
00:07:49Yeah, when I sold it to him.
00:07:52But I don't remember the date.
00:07:53The sale is reported as 1998.
00:07:58As far as you know, would that be the first time that Mr. Epstein had any kind of ownership of
00:08:04the home?
00:08:06Do you know?
00:08:07I don't know.
00:08:08I just think you could tell me any date.
00:08:11I know it was after we were married.
00:08:14And whether it was a year or two, I don't remember.
00:08:16Was that 1993?
00:08:18We got married in 1993, yes.
00:08:21Do you recall at all Mr. Epstein talking about why he wanted the home?
00:08:27No.
00:08:31With respect to the home, I think you were asked whether you felt like the sale price was a fair
00:08:42deal for you.
00:08:43And I think your answer was yes.
00:08:46Is that right?
00:08:47Yes, that's right.
00:08:48And with respect to the plane, I think you were asked whether you felt like the company got a fair
00:08:58deal at $6 million.
00:09:00And I think you said yes.
00:09:02Is that right?
00:09:03Yes, because that was the asking price.
00:09:07I think your counsels represented to DOJ in 2019 that Mr. Epstein sold himself both those assets at deeply discounted
00:09:18prices.
00:09:19And that that was part of his theft from you.
00:09:23I never heard that before.
00:09:25Do you have any sense of why that discrepancy would exist?
00:09:29Not a clue.
00:09:41In terms of Mr. Epstein's repayment to you, I think your counsels also represented that he repaid you about $100
00:09:50million in 2008.
00:09:52Would you have any knowledge of exactly how much he repaid you or how?
00:09:58No.
00:10:03There were a few other physical assets I just wanted to quickly touch on.
00:10:08Sure.
00:10:09There was a second home in New York City at 11 East 71st Street.
00:10:13So it's right next to the home that we've been discussing.
00:10:18And it sounds like you bought the home in 1988.
00:10:21Epstein bought the home from you in 1992.
00:10:24Do you have any recollection of that?
00:10:30Take your time.
00:10:31Are you seeing two homes in New York next to each other?
00:10:33Yeah, right next to it.
00:10:34The address for this one would have been 11 East 71st Street.
00:10:38No recollection of that happening.
00:10:42Okay.
00:10:44There was and still is a condo building at 301 East 66th Street in New York.
00:10:53It's been reported that Epstein lodged many of his victims at that building.
00:10:59The reporting has also been that you once owned that building and that you sold it to Mark Epstein, Jeffrey
00:11:06Epstein's brother in the early 90s.
00:11:08Do you have any recollection of that?
00:11:10The building or the condo?
00:11:12The building.
00:11:13No.
00:11:14No recollection.
00:11:15Okay.
00:11:19With respect to I think what we understand to be two homes in New Albany that Mr. Epstein owned at
00:11:26one point or another.
00:11:27So there was first a home on the 7500 block of King George Drive that Epstein received from you in
00:11:371990.
00:11:38Do you have any recollection of that home?
00:11:41I know he bought a house from Jack Kessler, the one we'd mentioned before.
00:11:45That's the only one I know about.
00:11:47Got it.
00:11:47This I think is a separate home and was earlier in time.
00:11:50No.
00:11:51Okay.
00:11:51No recollection.
00:11:54That second home, I think you mentioned that Mr. Epstein bought it from Mr. Kessler.
00:12:03I think that the documents show that it was a company that Epstein bought the home from.
00:12:09And I'll represent to you that it was you who signed the deed to Epstein.
00:12:14Would you have any knowledge about why that might have been the case?
00:12:19I understand the question.
00:12:21I signed the deed to sell the house to Jack, to sell Jack Kessler's house to Jeffrey.
00:12:27Yeah.
00:12:27And it was in your capacity representing an entity of some kind that seems to have been associated with yourself
00:12:33and Mr. Kessler.
00:12:37It's just shocking.
00:12:40Okay.
00:12:47Does it ever create you that stuff like that could be just for juries?
00:12:52I think in this case.
00:12:53Yes.
00:12:53No, I mean, it's like me signing a deed to somebody else's house is just.
00:13:00It's okay.
00:13:01It's okay.
00:13:02I'm sorry.
00:13:07And the entity for that sale was JW and CPK and Company.
00:13:13Does that ring any bells for you?
00:13:15No.
00:13:21What is the history of that home, if you recall?
00:13:24In other words, was it originally built for Mr. Kessler to live in?
00:13:29Was it his primary residence?
00:13:31Yes.
00:13:32Okay.
00:13:32And what do you recall as the purpose of the sale to Mr. Epstein?
00:13:38Why would Jeffrey Epstein, why did he buy that home, if you recall?
00:13:43First of all, I didn't recall that he bought it.
00:13:48I don't remember that.
00:13:49I know Jack had financial problems and he came to me and said, I've got problems, I've got to sell
00:13:54my house.
00:13:57That's all I recall about it.
00:13:59I don't think it's ever in the house.
00:14:01Do you recall Epstein purchasing it at the time?
00:14:04Were you aware of that?
00:14:05No, I wasn't.
00:14:13I'd like to ask a little bit about your personal relationship with Mr. Epstein.
00:14:19Some of the reporting has described you as close.
00:14:23I think that's been mentioned earlier today.
00:14:25I would just like to ask about a few examples that have been reported and just understand your knowledge of
00:14:31that.
00:14:31Sure.
00:14:32The New York Times, for example, has reported that sometime in the late 80s, Mr. Epstein managed the design and
00:14:39construction of your yacht, the limitless.
00:14:42Do you have any recollection of that being the case?
00:14:47First thing from the truth.
00:14:48Not true.
00:14:50I worked on the design for 10 years.
00:14:54Me.
00:14:55And it took three years to build the yacht and the only person that was there beside me watching the
00:15:02construction was Abigail.
00:15:05Period.
00:15:07And a gentleman who represented himself to the New York Times as your former captain, Craig Tafoya, seemed to be
00:15:14of the understanding that Mr. Epstein had a role in designing.
00:15:18The yacht, Mr. Tafoya, from your point of view, Mr. Tafoya is simply mistaken.
00:15:25Absolutely mistaken.
00:15:27If you wanted to, I can draw it in detail for you right now.
00:15:33The Wall Street Journal has reported that Mr. Epstein would sometimes do personal tasks for you, such as helping your
00:15:41wife Abigail find a nanny or showing up at a restaurant with a gift for a mutual friend.
00:15:47Do you have any knowledge or recollection of those types of activities?
00:15:52Never happened.
00:15:54No recollection or you believe that those things did not happen?
00:15:59I have no recollection and believe they never happened.
00:16:07Vanity Fair has reported that Mr. Epstein once broke up with a woman for you here in Columbus by going
00:16:13to her house.
00:16:14This, of course, was before you met your wife.
00:16:16Do you have any knowledge or recollection of that?
00:16:20No.
00:16:23Did I break up with a woman?
00:16:25Yes.
00:16:26Did Mr. Epstein perform the act directly or indirectly?
00:16:30Okay.
00:16:50I'd like to introduce as Minority Exhibit G.
00:17:04An email from 2006.
00:17:06I'll give you a moment to look at it.
00:17:18I'll only be asking about a very short part, but feel free to scan it.
00:17:23What it looks like is an email from Mr. Epstein to somebody with a limited brand's address, D. Larson.
00:17:32I don't know if you would have an idea of who that probably is.
00:17:36My admin, Don Larson.
00:17:38Great.
00:17:39Can we have a chance to just read the email?
00:17:40Sure, of course.
00:17:41Thanks.
00:18:23I forgot I knew Neil Wurdenstein.
00:18:48And at a certain point I'll just direct your attention to a sentence yeah no that's fine it's just he's
00:18:53not on this so yeah so at the very end of this email Mr. Wexner I would say close to
00:19:02the very end there's a sentence that starts with I believe that this information and if you see that I'm
00:19:09sure your counsel can guide you to it.
00:19:13And I'll read that out loud this is a long email seems to relate to business topics and people but
00:19:22Epstein signs off by saying I believe that this information belongs to you and under gang stuff rules I cannot
00:19:29simply be the repository of people's hushed calls and not share with you and the subject of the email is
00:19:37for less is eyes only please do not circulate.
00:19:40So the phrase gang stuff rules is that a familiar phrase to you in this context?
00:19:54Jeffery was like a Brooklyn guy and he in hindsight he didn't use words like have a confidential discussion or
00:20:02my opinion or this is secret or private or confidential personal things that lawyers or accountants might use in normal
00:20:09language he would say this is gang stuff.
00:20:11got it, so.
00:20:14there's a phrase that Mr. Epstein would use to mean confidential or constitution say confidential conversations.
00:20:23OK and this again never use the other words which in hindsight I didn't.
00:20:30Like, my wife would never say, it's between us, dear, you know, but we just, they're words
00:20:37or phrases that you associate with some people, and to me it was just kind of funny that this
00:20:41Brooklyn guy would talk about gang stuff, and, you know, gang stuff might be what he
00:20:45ate for dinner or something.
00:20:47Would he use that phrase pretty commonly, whether it's in a verbal conversation or
00:20:52a written email?
00:20:54MR. I don't specifically remember, but I would, I don't think he ever said
00:21:00confidential or private, it was like his language.
00:21:06MR. Thank you.
00:21:09With respect to, we can move on from that email.
00:21:12With respect to the power of attorney that you gave Mr. Epstein in 1991, I know it was
00:21:20discussed earlier, could you just flesh out for us a little bit the theory of an unfettered
00:21:29power of attorney?
00:21:30In other words, it wasn't conditional or restricted to a particular account or a particular type
00:21:35of asset.
00:21:36It covered, as we understand it, all of your assets, which is an enormous, I think, step
00:21:42of trust.
00:21:43What is your recollection of why you made that choice?
00:21:49MR. Friendly enough, I think power of attorney is that.
00:21:53So the notion of having a limited power of attorney was kind of, and it's just not how I would
00:22:01think about it.
00:22:03So Harold had a power of attorney, Jeffrey had a power of attorney, Dennis Hirsch had a power
00:22:08of attorney, because they needed it to do their work.
00:22:10MR. And did the advisor, as you recall, it sounds like, the previous advisor before
00:22:17Mr. Epstein and the subsequent advisor after Mr. Epstein, both had the same scope of power
00:22:24of attorney?
00:22:25MR. I don't know specifically, but I would think they were, I don't recall what the words
00:22:32say, but I think power of attorney is that.
00:22:40MR. We've seen reporting, I think in the New York Times, that you accompanied Mr. Epstein
00:22:46to visit the White House in 1993, a few months after President Clinton took office.
00:22:55Do you have any recollection of that?
00:22:58MR. Absolutely.
00:22:59It didn't happen.
00:23:00MR. Didn't happen?
00:23:01MR. Well, I'd been at the White House, but the only time I was at the White House
00:23:05when Clinton was president, he invited a group of, like, 20 CEOs from around the country
00:23:11to get feedback on the economy, and that was said – and I was there like the president
00:23:20of one of the lumber companies, the chairman of J.P. Morgan, Sears, companies like that.
00:23:26I was kind of the smallest fish in that bowl, but it was that purpose.
00:23:32MR. And Mr. Epstein was not present?
00:23:34MR. Of course not.
00:23:35MR. So, as far as you know, you did not visit the White House under any administration
00:23:40with Mr. Epstein?
00:23:42MR. I never visited the White House under any administration under any circumstance
00:23:47with Mr. Epstein.
00:23:49MR. That I'm positive of.
00:23:52MR. The New York Times has also reported that at your 59th
00:23:56birthday party, Mr. Epstein acted as sort of a master of ceremonies.
00:24:01He would give toasts and introduce guests and arrange for some people such as Alan Dershowitz
00:24:06and Simone Perez to attend.
00:24:08Do you recall the party that I'm describing?
00:24:14MR. Well, Simone was at a couple of birthday parties.
00:24:17I don't remember Jeffrey being there.
00:24:21If the party was in Columbus, I probably could remember four or five of the people that were
00:24:26there, and it was a surprise too.
00:24:29MR. Do you recall, I suppose at any birthday party, but that one in particular, Mr. Epstein
00:24:35playing that sort of a role as a master of ceremonies of sorts?
00:24:40MR. No.
00:24:43MR. No.
00:24:43I'm thinking even at the party that I was thinking about, Shimon Perez, I don't – if
00:24:50you asked me who was there, he wouldn't have been on the list.
00:24:52That's not who I remember.
00:24:54It was a different kind of group of friends that Abigail picked to come to the party.
00:25:01But to the original question, do you recall Mr. Epstein ever acting as a master of ceremonies
00:25:06at a birthday party for you?
00:25:09MR.
00:25:09MR.
00:25:10Never.
00:25:15MR.
00:25:16You're going to keep quoting the New York Times?
00:25:19MR.
00:25:20It's a good thing I don't read newspapers very often.
00:25:26That's crazy.
00:25:33I'd like to introduce as Minority Exhibit H.
00:26:02I'll give you a moment to look this over.
00:26:04It's just one page.
00:26:05It's just one page.
00:26:06It's just one page.
00:26:19I have three copies, though.
00:26:24Okay.
00:26:34Stand here.
00:27:01So this is a file that was part of the recent DOJ release and it's some kind of draft or
00:27:09fully composed email from Mr. Epstein.
00:27:12It appears to be intended for you.
00:27:14We do not have knowledge of whether you ever received it.
00:27:18Did you ever receive this email?
00:27:21Sorry, just for the record.
00:27:22Did you ever receive this email?
00:27:23I had never received this email or letter or whatever it was.
00:27:28Understanding that you have not received it and therefore have not previously seen it,
00:27:33is that correct?
00:27:34Other than anything that counsel may have shown him.
00:27:36I would like to touch on a few discreet parts of it.
00:27:43Mr. Epstein at one point early in the email says that, quote, I owe a great debt to you
00:27:49as frankly you owe to me.
00:27:52Would you have any sense of why he might feel that way in general or did he ever express
00:27:57that type of a sentiment to you?
00:27:59No.
00:28:01When I saw this, like, I know what you do or people do, they write letters to the file.
00:28:08I've never written one, like a memo to myself.
00:28:12And so I read this and I thought, this is like cover your ass kind of thing.
00:28:17And this doesn't even sound the way he speaks.
00:28:21And just nonsense in it.
00:28:25He also said, quote, as I'm sure you recall, you didn't sit with your mother or sister or
00:28:31Sharon when the conflict arose, as I did it for you.
00:28:34You didn't sit with Jack Kessler, Stanley or Stanley's son.
00:28:38I did it for you.
00:28:40Do you have any sense of what Mr. Epstein might be referring to there?
00:28:45Well, I don't know what he's referring to about my mother or my sister.
00:28:49I know who Sharon was.
00:28:52Stanley, I presume, was our previous attorney.
00:28:57Stanley Schwartz and his son worked in our business and, you know, worked in it until
00:29:03he retired.
00:29:03So I don't know what the hell he was talking about.
00:29:07Did you ever ask Mr. Epstein to mediate a dispute or otherwise insert himself into a dispute
00:29:13with the individuals he mentioned here, your mother or sister or Sharon, for example?
00:29:19No.
00:29:21Mr. Epstein also says that, quote, Abigail and I sat.
00:29:24She asked many questions.
00:29:25She made many unfair, aggressive and false accusations, none of which could have been fully answered
00:29:31without violating a confidence with you.
00:29:35Firstly, do you have an understanding of what he's referring to in terms of Abigail
00:29:40and he having a conversation?
00:29:44My wife and I have no secrets.
00:29:47So the fact that he's having a secret, it's just nonsense.
00:29:52He goes on to say that you and I had gang stuff for over 15 years, a great deal of
00:29:57it,
00:29:58that she was unaware of.
00:29:59I had no intention of divulging any confidence of ours, no matter what accusations she made.
00:30:05So Mr. Epstein at least seems to be asserting that there was something confidential between
00:30:10you and he that your wife was not aware of.
00:30:13Do you have any sense of what that might be?
00:30:16No.
00:30:19I'm going to object to the whole thing.
00:30:21This is why we have the hearsay rule, but keep going.
00:30:25Mr. Epstein goes on to say the quote, I always told you, I would never under any circumstances
00:30:30give it up or put you in harm's way, no matter who, what or when.
00:30:36Do you have any sense of what he might be referring to there?
00:30:41And I'll need a verbal audible.
00:30:43No, absolutely not.
00:30:48This is cover your ass psychobabble as far as I'm concerned.
00:30:57I'd like to do one more exhibit on your personal relationship with Mr. Epstein.
00:31:09So this will be Minority Exhibit I.
00:31:50I'll just tell you briefly what this is.
00:31:52Oh, good.
00:31:53It's long, and you're not going to have to read it.
00:31:55It's a PowerPoint presentation that the FBI put together that looks like, within the last year,
00:32:02summarizing their investigations into Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
00:32:07It's just their summary of the steps they took during their investigation and who was charged with what.
00:32:12That's what the document is.
00:32:15There is one page of the document that mentions you, and I'll direct you to that.
00:32:22It is all the way toward the back.
00:32:25So, I've never seen an FBI document, but should they be giving this shit to me?
00:32:32So there's one page towards the back that ends in 956.
00:32:37I think it's the third from the last page of the presentation.
00:32:41There's an earlier reference on 949.
00:32:48Oh, right. Confirming the proper. Apologies. There is. Agreed.
00:32:52Which page do you want me to look at?
00:32:54Ending in 956, the only substantive mention of you.
00:33:00Yes.
00:33:00You can see, this is a slide that's titled Prominent Names, and it's naming some prominent individuals who have some
00:33:09connection or link to Mr. Epstein.
00:33:12Your name appears in the middle column, all the way down to the bottom.
00:33:17And under Les Wexner, it just has one entry.
00:33:21There's a name that's redacted, and its redacted name stated, Epstein earned his money from having homosexual sex with Wexner.
00:33:29I know you were asked this question earlier, but in the context of this FBI report, is it correct that
00:33:36you did not have any sexual or romantic relationship with Mr. Epstein?
00:33:41Absolutely not, or any man ever.
00:33:44I'm very straight.
00:33:46Super straight.
00:33:50That's wacky.
00:34:07No.
00:34:08I just never read an FBI report.
00:34:11I just never read an FBI report.
00:34:21Thank you, Mr. Wexner, for your testimony here today.
00:34:25Just wanted to start with a question around U.S. Senator John Husted, and it's been reported that you gave
00:34:36him
00:34:38something like $117,000 in donations.
00:34:42Is that correct?
00:34:43I think you mean John Husted?
00:34:44I'm John Husted, yeah.
00:34:46I don't know how much money I gave him.
00:34:48Would that sound about right?
00:34:49It was a substantial sum.
00:34:51Well, I'm thinking, I met John when he was a state representative, and I'm sure I helped him.
00:34:56I helped him politically when he ran for a lieutenant governor.
00:35:03I probably contributed to a senatorial campaign, so is it possible over time I would have given him that much
00:35:10money it is?
00:35:11Well, let me be more accurate.
00:35:12But I don't agree.
00:35:13I think it was recently reported that you gave him $117,000 sometime shortly before he voted no on releasing
00:35:20the Epstein files.
00:35:21Would that sound familiar?
00:35:22No.
00:35:23No?
00:35:25Did you or any of your representatives ever lobby Senator Husted or anybody else in the federal government to prevent
00:35:34the release of materials related to Jeffrey Epstein file?
00:35:37Absolutely not.
00:35:38Did you or your representatives ever request that the Department of Justice redact your name in any files?
00:35:44No.
00:35:45Absolutely not.
00:35:47I wanted to move on.
00:35:49Now, I remember the document you referenced a little earlier mentioning former Prime Minister Ehud Barak.
00:35:57Did you ever have a relationship with the former Prime Minister?
00:36:01Can you define relationship?
00:36:04Any relationship.
00:36:05Do you know Prime Minister Barak?
00:36:08If so, could you elaborate on how familiar you were with him?
00:36:12I was only with him a couple or three times in my life.
00:36:16I happened to be in Israel when he was elected, but before he was sworn in as Prime Minister.
00:36:24We had a brief meeting in his, like, political office.
00:36:29It wasn't the government office.
00:36:32May have met him in Israel when he was Prime Minister, but I don't recall.
00:36:40I know that I had dinner with him and I think his wife and daughter and Abigail in New York
00:36:49after he was out of office, I think.
00:36:53I don't think he was Prime Minister.
00:36:54Did you ever communicate with the Prime Minister outside of personal meetings, phone calls, emails?
00:37:00He came here once, I think, for Jewish community stuff, and we went to a football game.
00:37:05That's all I remember.
00:37:06Did you ever communicate by email or phone call or other correspondence?
00:37:10No, I don't think I ever had his address or phone number or email address or text number or whatever.
00:37:18Are you aware of the Wexner Foundation or any other trusts or foundations or organizations affiliated with you ever donating
00:37:26money to the former Prime Minister?
00:37:29No.
00:37:30Would it surprise you if I told you that an FBI report stated a report that the Wexner Foundation transferred
00:37:37at least $2.3 million in U.S. dollars to former Prime Minister Ayahu Baraj?
00:37:42Shocked.
00:37:43Shocked.
00:37:46I want to move to a different topic here.
00:37:49Are you familiar with the gentleman named Richard Adrian?
00:37:51Who?
00:37:52Richard Adrian.
00:37:53No.
00:37:54Do you remember anybody being a bodyguard from you by that name?
00:37:59No.
00:38:00No?
00:38:001991 to 1992?
00:38:02No.
00:38:03How many bodyguards have you had over the course of your career?
00:38:08I don't know.
00:38:10Hundreds?
00:38:10Dozens?
00:38:11No, not hundreds, but I don't know.
00:38:13Dozens.
00:38:14Now, Mr. Adrian reported that he had accompanied you between 1991 and 1992 when he was your bodyguard to Epstein's
00:38:24Palm Beach home.
00:38:25Does that sound familiar at all?
00:38:26No.
00:38:26Injection.
00:38:27That's not what it says.
00:38:28That he accompanied Mr. Epstein, Mr. Wester to Epstein's property.
00:38:33No, it doesn't say that.
00:38:35Are you looking at the...
00:38:37EFTA 12-1249191?
00:38:39Yeah, it should.
00:38:40I don't have it in front of me, but that...
00:38:42No, it says that he did accompany him, and then it says the bodyguard was at the Epstein residence.
00:38:48It doesn't say the bodyguard was at the Epstein residence with Mr. Wexner.
00:38:52I'm sorry.
00:38:53Did you ever accompany the bodyguard to Epstein's Palm Beach home?
00:38:58Everywhere when they had security.
00:39:01And so what has surprised you then, I believe that this is correct, that the bodyguard said that he noticed
00:39:05a number of young girls there.
00:39:08Noticeably young.
00:39:10You've never seen young girls at the Epstein property?
00:39:12I was only there once for an hour, and I was there with my wife and another couple.
00:39:17I have one last question, and then I'll kick it back.
00:39:22You mentioned a couple of times that you received $20 million for the mansion on 71st Street in Manhattan.
00:39:28How was that money transferred to you?
00:39:30I don't know.
00:39:31You don't know?
00:39:32Like, nobody...
00:39:33How do you know it was ever paid to you?
00:39:36Well, I guess Abigail would have known.
00:39:39Abigail wouldn't know?
00:39:40Whether it was a check, whether it was a money order, whether it was a bag of money.
00:39:45So $20 million, and you just, like, take some and say so for it?
00:39:49No, $20 million is a lot of money, and airplanes cost a lot of money, too, and I don't know
00:39:54exactly how we pay for them,
00:39:56or if we sold an airplane exactly how we get paid.
00:39:58But, you know, we've bought and sold, personally, a few airplanes.
00:40:02I don't know if you ask me the same question.
00:40:03I don't know.
00:40:05And so I think we have a number of media references in the New York Times.
00:40:09I think the Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg, all noting that no cash was transferred at the time of essential transaction.
00:40:17No exchange of money was noted at the time.
00:40:21So do you have any records, like, after the fact, after you learned that Jeffrey Epstein, as you put it,
00:40:27stole from you?
00:40:28Did you ever look into how that money was transferred to you?
00:40:31No.
00:40:32No?
00:40:32Didn't strike your interest, even though you knew that Jeffrey Epstein was stealing from you?
00:40:40Once I knew he was stealing from me, it was, again, my wife is a very competent business attorney.
00:40:46We have good accountants.
00:40:48I believe good counsel, and that's not what I do.
00:40:51And I don't go back and, you know, if I fired somebody in the business, I didn't follow them to
00:40:57see if they behaved badly again.
00:41:00They were done.
00:41:01Let me then follow up and ask, did your wife ever mention to you how the money was transferred?
00:41:06No.
00:41:07Or that it was transferred?
00:41:08Objection.
00:41:09That's to spousal privilege, but he's already answered.
00:41:11All right.
00:41:12Thank you very much, then.
00:41:16Mr. Washington, Steve Lance.
00:41:20How long did you know Mr. Epstein?
00:41:24When did you first meet him?
00:41:31I think they asked me that question earlier before you joined this group.
00:41:35I think it was like five years before I got married, about early 80s, I would guess.
00:41:39Early 80s?
00:41:40I think so.
00:41:41I don't remember precisely.
00:41:44And in all the time that you knew him, and he worked for you, he was your power of attorney,
00:41:51handled a lot of really important things in your life.
00:41:57Did you ever, do you remember him ever having a romantic interest or women in your presence
00:42:07as his guests or associates?
00:42:12Yeah.
00:42:13I mentioned earlier, too, the first one was Dr. Ava Anderson.
00:42:17I met her, and Jeffrey said, when I first met him, whenever that was, early, it is.
00:42:27And my understanding of meeting her, Ava was a very attractive woman.
00:42:34I think she was in med school.
00:42:39And, you know, so she was a serious person.
00:42:42And she is a serious person.
00:42:44She's an oncologist.
00:42:45She's married.
00:42:45She has children.
00:42:46And then, I don't know how many years later, he broke up with Ava, and Glenn came into his
00:42:53life probably about the time I got engaged.
00:42:58When was that, sir?
00:43:00I got engaged in nine, I got engaged on September 8th, 1992, because I got engaged on my birthday.
00:43:10And so at that point, Mr. Epstein's relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell was romantic at the time.
00:43:18It was about then that I met her, and they said they were going to get married.
00:43:23And it was, you know, I was getting married, you know, Jeffrey was getting married, so it
00:43:34seemed like, you know, everybody was going to be in Happy Valley in terms of their life.
00:43:42And both women, I mean, there were grown-up women.
00:43:48And Glenn is exactly the same age as Abigail, and very smart.
00:43:55She said she was like an honors graduate of Cambridge or Oxford, and, you know, quite charming,
00:44:02and, you know, English accent, and an attractive woman, so I was very happy for them.
00:44:08Do you ever remember spending time with Epstein and any of his other romantic interests or girlfriends,
00:44:14especially younger women, in your presence?
00:44:18No, there were no others that I was present or mentioned.
00:44:25Ever in his presence with women who may have been of teenage or minors?
00:44:37You know, I thought about that, what did I miss about this guy, and I don't think I was
00:44:44ever with him, or he was ever with anyone, it was vague in my memory, that I would say
00:44:51it was under the age of 28, 30.
00:44:53I mean, he was with adult women, or women that, they looked adult, they said they were a lawyer
00:45:02or an accountant or something.
00:45:03I know this name has come up earlier in the deposition, Virginia Dufresne, Dufresne, I'm
00:45:10sorry.
00:45:12Do you recall ever meeting her in Jeffrey's presence?
00:45:16Absolutely never.
00:45:19Or Virginia Roberts, I think, or made new ones?
00:45:23No, absolutely not.
00:45:25How about Ms. Farmer?
00:45:27I thought Ms. Farmer might have made allegations about something that happened here on your property.
00:45:35We've actually covered it.
00:45:37It wasn't his property, it's an adjacent property.
00:45:39An adjacent property.
00:45:40Thank you for the clarification.
00:45:42Or certainly, uh, on, on, on the, next door.
00:45:47No, never.
00:45:47Was that Mr. Kessler?
00:45:50Whose, whose property is next door, I'm sorry.
00:45:52My friend, my friend, was business, business partner in Noamany, Jack Kessler.
00:46:01Uh, so, no women who seemed unusually young, then?
00:46:07Absolutely.
00:46:07Okay.
00:46:09We also understand from your counsel's proffer, uh, that you interacted with a number of other
00:46:15prominent people who, who knew and had dealings with, with Epstein, including Prince Andrew,
00:46:24uh, various professors at Harvard, uh, perhaps, uh, a sultan of some sort in Dubai, perhaps Howard
00:46:34Lutnick, uh, with, with respect to Prince Andrew, uh, who has also been accused of, uh, of sexual
00:46:43misconduct in, in, in connection with at least one woman trafficked by Mr. Epstein.
00:46:50Did you ever see or, or become aware of this interaction between Prince Andrew and one of these young women?
00:47:01I, I, I never met Prince Andrew, so I wasn't aware of anything other than that.
00:47:08No, no chatter about that in terms of, uh, you're dealing with Mr., either introduced by Mr. Epstein
00:47:17or by Ghislaine Maxwell, uh, that whole interaction between those two and, and Prince Andrew.
00:47:24Um, I had, I had, I had no conversations, interactions with Prince Andrew about women or anything.
00:47:34I had one brief, like, two-sentence fun conversation.
00:47:39He called me here in Columbus.
00:47:42And what was that for?
00:47:45I, I, it's, to me, it's a funny story.
00:47:49Um, um, getting ready to go to work, I think I was in the garage, and my wife or somebody
00:47:55came out and said, you have a phone call.
00:47:56Maybe it wasn't my wife, but it was somebody, and he said, it's a guy that says he's the Duke
00:48:00of York.
00:48:01And I thought, the Duke of York, what the hell is that?
00:48:04So I went in the kitchen, hello, and this, this is Andrew, uh, I don't think he said,
00:48:11I don't think he said, this is Andrew Duke of York, this is Andrew Windsor, or whatever
00:48:15he called himself, and I said, hello.
00:48:19And he said, uh, you know, I helped my mother buy her airplane, and I know that you buy and
00:48:26sell airplanes, so if I could be of service, uh, with you in airplane transactions, I could
00:48:32help.
00:48:32And I said, no, thank you, we're covered, and have a nice day, and I just kind of laughed
00:48:38my ass off that the Duke of York called me.
00:48:41So he cold called you to sell, to sell you an airplane?
00:48:44Or to help you buy an airplane?
00:48:46It was airplane advice, because he helped his mother.
00:48:49Was that a plane that you eventually sold to Mr. Ebson?
00:48:52Oh, no, no, no.
00:48:52It was just, it had nothing to do with anything that was going on.
00:48:56It was like, I know that you buy and sell airplanes in your business, I know you have
00:48:59buy an airplane personally, and I know you buy and sell airplanes, and when you do, if
00:49:04you need an advisor, I'm available.
00:49:06And it's like, no, thank you, I'm covered.
00:49:08So he offered to advise you on, on purchasing airplanes?
00:49:12Pardon?
00:49:14Did he?
00:49:15Did he offer to advise you?
00:49:16I'm just trying to understand why the Prince of York would be calling you about fine terms.
00:49:20Yeah, me too.
00:49:21It was like, out of the blue.
00:49:25I mean, you could have called me up that day and said you were the Prince of York and
00:49:29you want to advise me on my lunch or something.
00:49:31I was like, what the hell is this?
00:49:33If you were to recognize the difference in accents.
00:49:36Yeah, maybe, maybe.
00:49:40And with respect to those other figures who I mentioned, did you ever see or become aware
00:49:46of any prominent academic figures or this so-called Sultan of Dubai or Howard Lutnick or any other
00:49:58notable person being introduced to young women by either Epstein or Maxwell?
00:50:14Well, I've never met Howard Lutnick.
00:50:17Didn't know his name until he became popular or, you know, in the news.
00:50:23Yeah, his name's extensively in the news, like you're wrong.
00:50:27But anyway, I just never heard his name and didn't know him.
00:50:31Some of the people that were on that list, I knew their names and some of them introduced
00:50:37themselves to me.
00:50:39But that wasn't his question.
00:50:41I understand.
00:50:43Wasn't it?
00:50:44No.
00:50:45Oh.
00:50:46Because you asked me.
00:50:46I thought you asked him.
00:50:48Any other of those prominent individuals, were you aware that either Epstein or Ghislaine
00:50:56Maxwell was facilitating introductions or contact between those individuals and young women?
00:51:04No, no, no, absolutely not.
00:51:08And you yourself, sir, never had physical contact with any of these young survivors or victims
00:51:16as they are alternatively called these young women?
00:51:19Never, ever.
00:51:25All right.
00:51:26I think that's all I have.
00:51:28Just two more, then we'll give you a break.
00:51:31First, with respect to the birthday note that we looked at earlier for Mr. Epstein's birthday,
00:51:38just making sure we have your testimony, it's that you signed the note, your friend,
00:51:44but Mr. Epstein was not ever actually your friend from your point of view.
00:51:48Is that correct?
00:51:49Correct.
00:51:50And you do not have any understanding of why you would sign that card, your friend?
00:51:59Correct.
00:52:02I think if I was sending a birthday note to somebody, I would say your friend or something,
00:52:08I would just sign my name.
00:52:09It would be like a, I don't know, it's not a salutation, is it a, it's the end of a
00:52:15letter
00:52:16or something.
00:52:17Yours truly best, something like that.
00:52:21Do you recall ever drawing a pair of women's breasts on any correspondence with any other business
00:52:29associate of yours?
00:52:30No.
00:52:32We can go off the record.
00:52:39We will go on the record.
00:52:41It's 3.12 p.m.
00:52:44Mr. Wexner, I am going to ask you to bear with me for a second.
00:52:51I have a list of names.
00:52:54I will ask you one question that applies to that, to the entirety of the list, and you
00:53:02will just answer yes or no.
00:53:04And if you answer yes to one of the names, we will come back to further explore that name.
00:53:10Does that make sense?
00:53:12I think so.
00:53:13Let's try it, see how it works.
00:53:15So the question is, have you ever had a conversation with any of the following people about Jeffrey
00:53:21Epstein, his crimes, his criminal investigations, or in regard to sexual activity of any kind?
00:53:28Okay, so not have you ever had a conversation with them, but have you had a conversation with
00:53:34them about those topics?
00:53:35Do you want to repeat it so that we are solid here?
00:53:38George, have you ever had a conversation with any of the following people about Jeffrey
00:53:44Epstein, his crimes, his criminal investigations, or in regard to sexual activity of any kind?
00:53:51First name is Ghislaine Maxwell.
00:53:54No.
00:53:56Richard Kahn.
00:53:58No.
00:54:00Darren N. Dyke.
00:54:02No.
00:54:04Sarah Kellen.
00:54:06No.
00:54:08Leslie Groff.
00:54:09No.
00:54:12Nadia Marcinkova.
00:54:14No.
00:54:16Kathy Rumler.
00:54:17No.
00:54:20Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, formerly Prince Andrew.
00:54:23No.
00:54:26Peter Mandelson, former UK ambassador to the United States.
00:54:31Stephen Hoffenberg.
00:54:33Stephen Hoffenberg.
00:54:35John Luke Brunel.
00:54:37No.
00:54:39Jess Staley.
00:54:41No.
00:54:43Paul Morris.
00:54:45No.
00:54:47Stephen Cutler.
00:54:49No.
00:54:50Mary Casey.
00:54:52No.
00:54:52No.
00:54:53Justin Nelson.
00:54:56No.
00:54:58Leon Black.
00:54:59No.
00:55:01Glenn Dubin.
00:55:05No.
00:55:09Eva Anderson Dubin.
00:55:14I can kind of put those as question marks because I think – I'll tell you the answer
00:55:22later because I want to be completely –
00:55:25understood.
00:55:27Bill Gates.
00:55:28No.
00:55:30Any person elected or appointed to any federal office?
00:55:33No.
00:55:35Any foreign government officials?
00:55:37No.
00:55:38So you said you wanted to clarify on Glenn Dubin and Eva Anderson Dubin?
00:55:43Mm-hmm.
00:55:44Do you have clarification on that?
00:55:46Yeah.
00:55:47I know both of them.
00:55:49I met Eva when I thought she and Jeffrey were engaged and going to get married.
00:55:56And I met Glenn at Harvard, I don't know, 10 or maybe 20 years ago.
00:56:07And he was – he was acquainted with someone there.
00:56:12And I was at David – no, it might have been David Gergen's funeral, something like
00:56:23that.
00:56:23And I saw them and I hadn't seen them in, I don't know, 10 or 15 years.
00:56:27And they said hello and said something.
00:56:29Isn't this a shame?
00:56:31What happened to Jeffrey?
00:56:34And I said, yeah, it's a shame.
00:56:35Something like that.
00:56:36I said it was that vague.
00:56:38But most of the names that you mentioned, I've never heard before.
00:56:41I don't know those people.
00:56:46With Glenn Dubin, you said it was, you know, 10 to 20 years ago at Harvard.
00:56:53When you mentioned Eva Anderson Dubin, you said you thought she was engaged to Jeffrey Epstein.
00:57:00Do you know approximately when that was?
00:57:02About the time I got engaged to Abigail, so at about 92.
00:57:06Okay.
00:57:07But I haven't seen either of them until David Gergen's funeral for maybe a decade.
00:57:13I hadn't talked to him.
00:57:15Never socialized with him.
00:57:17Can we just clarify something?
00:57:18Because I think you previously testified that when you met Ms. Maxwell, it was around the
00:57:22time of your engagement to Abigail.
00:57:25Right.
00:57:25Didn't I just say that?
00:57:26No, you were talking about Eva Anderson.
00:57:28Oh, I'm sorry.
00:57:31Okay.
00:57:31That I got...
00:57:33I met Ava about the time I got...
00:57:40Oh, how could I do that thing?
00:57:42I must have met Ava when I met Jeffrey.
00:57:45And then met...
00:57:48I looked glad when I got engaged.
00:57:52So Ava would have been...
00:57:5310 years before the five years.
00:57:55Early to mid-80s?
00:57:56Yeah, whenever it was.
00:58:00And I think I was only with her once.
00:58:04With them once.
00:58:11So you never...
00:58:12Just to clarify one more name on here, you never spoke with Gilan Maxwell about Mr. Epstein
00:58:21or his criminal investigations of any kind?
00:58:23Never.
00:58:33It had come out a few years ago now that Ohio State University did a review of their donations
00:58:41and they identified a little over $300,000 in donations directly from Mr. Epstein and one
00:58:50of his foundations.
00:58:51They also...
00:58:52Ohio State also reported a gift of approximately $2.5 million from the COUQ Foundation, which
00:59:01is another entity of Mr. Epstein's.
00:59:04Did you help facilitate any donations from Jeffrey Epstein to Ohio State University?
00:59:10Never.
00:59:15Did you personally ask Mr. Epstein to donate to Ohio State University?
00:59:19Never.
00:59:24Did you ever speak to any Ohio State University Board of Trustees members regarding Mr. Epstein
00:59:30or his donations to the university?
00:59:31Never.
00:59:51We discussed earlier in this deposition
00:59:56around the time frame of 2019, if you had any involvement with law enforcement as they
01:00:04investigated Mr. Epstein for his crimes he was ultimately charged with in New York.
01:00:09Just to clarify, did you speak to any law enforcement agency of any kind regarding Jeffrey Epstein's
01:00:17investigation in New York in 2019?
01:00:23Never.
01:00:23No, I don't remember ever talking to any law enforcement agency.
01:00:30Did you ever provide any documentation to any law enforcement agency of any kind regarding
01:00:36Jeffrey Epstein and his investigation in New York in 2019?
01:00:39Not to my knowledge.
01:01:01And just to be clear, you never formally interviewed with anyone from the FBI or Department of
01:01:06Justice about Jeffrey Epstein or his criminal investigation in 2019?
01:01:10Never.
01:01:16Did Mr. Epstein ever contact you or attempt to contact you after his arrest in 2019?
01:01:23I don't think so.
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