Recent resurfaced claims and online speculation suggest convicted s-x offender Jeffrey Epstein had deeper financial or intelligence-style links to powerful global families and corporations. Verified reporting shows Epstein had documented financial and advisory connections with figures linked to the Rothschild banking network — including business contact and consulting-style agreements — but no credible evidence publicly confirms he “worked for” the Rothschild family in the way viral claims often suggest.
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00:00:00Well, when I first met him, it was just hello, and he didn't represent anything, and I didn't ask anything.
00:00:08I was just meeting a friend's acquaintance.
00:00:12As that business relationship became closer and you eventually hired him, I assume he pitched his services in some way.
00:00:20What was his way of framing what he was offering to you?
00:00:30I think it was his experience at an industrial level, like looking for a big company like Bear Stearns, and
00:00:40then he had done personal work for the Rothschild family in France.
00:00:45Personal wealth management, essentially?
00:00:50I don't know.
00:00:52We've seen some reports that he would present himself as a bounty hunter, that he would find people's missing money.
00:01:00Do you recall him saying anything like that?
00:01:03No.
00:01:07It says Epstein represented that he had that.
00:01:10He wouldn't know if he did or not.
00:01:12Were you aware of any of Mr. Epstein's other clients?
00:01:19Let me think.
00:01:33Well, specifically, I talked to L.A. de Rothschild, and so I mentioned that earlier.
00:01:40So he represented their whole families.
00:01:43There had been a whole bunch of people, most of whom I never would have met, but I knew L
00:01:48.A.
00:01:52I never met people, but there were people that called me that either insinuated or said they knew Jeffrey through
00:02:09a financial relationship.
00:02:15And so, I mean, they could have been actors, but at the time, a guy calls me up.
00:02:20I'll give you an example.
00:02:24Just, it's just a question.
00:02:25No, no, because I want you to understand this, because it's so confusing to me.
00:02:28He would say, like, I'm providing financial advice to the founders of Google.
00:02:33I'm financial, providing financial advice to Jeff Bezos.
00:02:38I'm providing financial advice for the chief technologist at Google.
00:02:44And I'm like, wow, I'm in good company, because these are really smart guys with a lot of money.
00:02:50And you have to put yourself in the mindset of, if my attorney said, you know, he was qualified, you
00:02:59know, we will go off the record.
00:03:04We can go on the record.
00:03:07Good morning, Mr. Wexner.
00:03:10My name is...
00:03:14I will be doing most of the questioning for the minority today.
00:03:18We appreciate your time.
00:03:20As you know, our conversation today will focus on your relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
00:03:25We'll touch on, probably, your financial and business relationship with him.
00:03:29We'll also discuss your personal relationship with him.
00:03:33You already discussed with our colleagues the way that you originally met Jeffrey Epstein.
00:03:38I would just like to ask a couple of questions on that topic.
00:03:42When you first met Epstein, how did he originally present himself to you?
00:03:48What services did he say he was offering?
00:03:52Well, when I first met him, it was just hello.
00:03:57He didn't represent anything, and I didn't ask anything.
00:04:00I was just meeting a friend's acquaintance.
00:04:03As that business relationship became closer and you eventually hired him, I assume he pitched his services in some way.
00:04:12What was his way of framing what he was offering to you?
00:04:22I think it was his experience at an industrial level, like looking for a big company like Bear Stearns.
00:04:31And then he had done personal work for the Rothschild family in France.
00:04:37Personal wealth management, essentially?
00:04:42I don't know.
00:04:44We've seen some reports that he would present himself as a bounty hunter, that he would find people's missing money.
00:04:52Do you recall him saying anything like that?
00:04:55No.
00:04:58One of the articles that my colleagues already introduced, I won't make you look back through it, but it was
00:05:05the Vanity Fair article.
00:05:06I will just read you a paragraph out loud.
00:05:09It's the only paragraph I have a question about.
00:05:10But that article reported that during a conversation, Jeffrey Epstein asked Mr. Meister to introduce Epstein to you, Mr. Wexner.
00:05:21And Epstein told Meister that Epstein had learned that Wexner's current money manager was stealing from him.
00:05:29And the article identifies Harold Levin, I think, as your previous financial advisor.
00:05:35Do you have any recollection of whether Mr. Epstein ever claimed that Mr. Levin was stealing from you?
00:05:42Objection to the article on Horsesay Grounds, you can answer.
00:05:52As I recall, Jeffrey never thought Harold was stealing, and I didn't think Harold was stealing.
00:05:59Did anybody ever say that Harold was stealing?
00:06:02No.
00:06:03Okay. No recollection of that.
00:06:05No recollection of that.
00:06:07That article also describes a story where you sent Mr. Levin to meet with Mr. Epstein and just discuss an
00:06:13investment opportunity,
00:06:14but Mr. Levin came back to you and told you to stay away from Mr. Epstein.
00:06:19Do you have any recollection of that type of a warning from Mr. Levin?
00:06:23No.
00:06:23Do you have any recollection?
00:06:25No.
00:06:26Okay.
00:06:29When you initially hired Mr. Epstein, do you recall, and some of this may be repetitive, so you have my
00:06:36apologies,
00:06:37do you recall what year you initially hired Mr. Epstein?
00:06:41No.
00:06:42Would it be right to say that it may have been either 1989 or 1990?
00:06:54Yeah, about that.
00:06:55Okay.
00:06:57Do you recall anybody warning you not to get involved with Jeffrey Epstein when you first hired him?
00:07:06No.
00:07:11I'd like to talk about Epstein's roles and responsibilities while he worked for you.
00:07:18You touched on this in the last hour.
00:07:20The total amount of time that he worked for you, how long was that approximately?
00:07:25It started maybe in 1989 or 1990, and I think you testified it ended in 2000 and what year did
00:07:34you say?
00:07:35It didn't.
00:07:36Okay.
00:07:37Well, what year do you recall the relationship ending?
00:07:39Could your statement help refresh your recollection?
00:07:42Yeah.
00:07:43But where I said in the statement would be the correct date, and so whatever period that 89 or 90
00:07:50it had been about then,
00:07:54and it ended when it ended.
00:07:55Was that upon his final plea in 2008?
00:08:02Whatever I said in the statement is accurate.
00:08:05I remember it as being concomitant with finding out he was stealing from us.
00:08:10In terms of the different things or roles that he would play for you,
00:08:15is it right to say that he acted as an investment advisor or a money manager?
00:08:21What would be the right term for that role?
00:08:29The term wasn't part of my vocabulary, but he was kind of like the family office manager.
00:08:37And so they oversaw investment, oversaw people getting paid, made sure taxes were done, and talked to accountants.
00:08:49It's just that I had, in hindsight, because I had done so well, and I was dating Abigail, and I
00:08:59was married and running 20 businesses.
00:09:02I was very busy, and all that stuff that was in my personal life was either managed, wasn't managed by
00:09:14me.
00:09:14It was like my admin was like the, which sounds kind of crazy, was the closest thing I had to
00:09:20any kind of supervision.
00:09:22Would he be making investments on your behalf the way a traditional investment advisor would?
00:09:30I must have known at the time.
00:09:32I don't recall specifically asking him about investment.
00:09:38I would like to introduce Minority Exhibit A.
00:09:49And this is an article from the Wall Street Journal titled,
00:09:56Epstein Flourished as He Forged Bond with Retail Billionaire.
00:10:15And you don't have to read through this whole article.
00:10:17It's just helpful to have it in front of us.
00:10:19But on the bottom of page 3, I will read just a single sentence to you.
00:10:26And it, the article...
00:10:27Identify where it is.
00:10:28Sure, it starts with the word soon.
00:10:30It's the very last sentence on the bottom of page 3.
00:10:39Starting there.
00:10:41Oh.
00:10:41And that sentence, I'll read it out loud as well,
00:10:43says that soon, Mr. Epstein was presenting Mr. Wexner with a variety of investments,
00:10:50including apartment buildings and a development involving a former post office building,
00:10:56says Mr. Morosky.
00:10:58And we understand that to be Robert Morosky, a former vice chairman of your company.
00:11:04Is that consistent with what you remember Epstein doing for you?
00:11:09Objection.
00:11:10Hearsay.
00:11:10You can answer.
00:11:11No.
00:11:12No.
00:11:12Do you have any recollection of Epstein presenting you with investment opportunities such as these?
00:11:19I'm sure he did, but they weren't apartment buildings or post office.
00:11:25But he didn't, you know...
00:11:30Do you remember?
00:11:32No.
00:11:32I don't remember.
00:11:33Is it that you don't recall at all, or that, as far as you recall, that statement is just not
00:11:39accurate?
00:11:41Well, there's two parts of it.
00:11:42But in reading this one, not accurate.
00:11:46And I fired Bob Morosky for bad behavior.
00:11:50But as to the substantive part, is it that you don't recall whether or not Epstein would present you with
00:11:56these types of investments?
00:11:56I don't know.
00:11:57No, I do not recall.
00:11:58Okay.
00:11:59And the quote is from somebody that I fired.
00:12:02Okay.
00:12:04In addition to the, I guess, family office role that you described, I'd like to ask about whether Epstein provided
00:12:12other services to you.
00:12:14We know that he provided some later clients with tax planning services.
00:12:19Did he ever do anything like that for you?
00:12:23It must have, but I have no specific recollection.
00:12:26I mean, somebody, my attorney, tax attorneys, I'm kind of a model about who did what.
00:12:32And so, is it fair to say, again, that that is that you just don't recall either way?
00:12:37Yeah, I don't recall at all.
00:12:39Okay.
00:12:39Separately from that, Mr. Epstein was a trustee for various trusts and charities of yours.
00:12:49I'd like to touch on both of those roles, starting with trusts.
00:12:54And so, I will introduce Minority Exhibit B.
00:13:14And that article is from ABC News, and it's titled, Billionaire Businessman Leslie Wexner Refuses to Reveal Full Scope of
00:13:24Jeffrey Epstein's Alleged Multi-Million Dollar Theft, Dated January 23rd, 2020.
00:13:31It's January 23rd.
00:13:33Ah, great.
00:13:35Well, I have January 23rd.
00:13:38Oh, I'm looking at the date in the upper right.
00:13:41You're right.
00:13:41Under the byline is January 23rd.
00:13:43There you go.
00:13:44It's got two dates.
00:13:44I don't know which is correct.
00:13:45All right.
00:13:47On page three of this article, and I'll let you take a moment, in the middle of that page, the
00:13:55article says that they identified nearly a dozen trusts connected to you.
00:14:02I don't think...
00:14:02Sure.
00:14:03It starts in the paragraph of Volscher and Boyd, in the middle of the page.
00:14:08Okay.
00:14:09Who are those?
00:14:10I think they're associated with ABC's investigative reporting team.
00:14:14And it tells us that they found nearly a dozen trusts with names like health and science interests, arts interests,
00:14:22and community interests connected to Wexner that listed Epstein as trustee and received large gifts of stock in Wexner's company.
00:14:31So, I'll stop there.
00:14:34Do you have a recollection of the trusts that are described here?
00:14:39None.
00:14:39None.
00:14:40And so, do you have any recollection of Mr. Epstein's role with those trusts?
00:14:46None.
00:14:47Okay.
00:14:48We will come back to that, but I'd like to touch for a moment on Epstein's role with the Wexner
00:14:57Foundation.
00:14:59And I, for that, will introduce Minority Exhibit C.
00:15:21And this document is titled Independent Review of Jeffrey Epstein's Involvement and Interactions with the Wexner Foundation.
00:15:32And the document is dated February 24th, 2020.
00:15:36I'm not going to ask you to read through this.
00:15:39It's a long document.
00:15:40I will point you to a specific part of it.
00:15:42But first, we understand this to be an independent review that was undertaken by a law firm at the request
00:15:49of the Wexner Foundation in the wake of Mr. Epstein's arrest in 2019.
00:15:53Is that also your understanding?
00:15:56I never knew of it.
00:15:59I'm looking at this.
00:16:00I'm laughing because the address is 65 East State Street, and that was the address of my dad's first store
00:16:05when I was 13.
00:16:07Okay.
00:16:08Well, so is the report unfamiliar to you?
00:16:12Yes.
00:16:13Okay.
00:16:14Completely.
00:16:14And I think page four of the report says that you were interviewed by the law firm for this report.
00:16:20Do you have any recollection of that?
00:16:24Nope.
00:16:25None.
00:16:26Do you have any reason to doubt the report, that you were, in fact, interviewed for the report?
00:16:33No.
00:16:34Okay.
00:16:35I don't remember it, so I can't doubt it.
00:16:40Page nine of the report simply tells us that Epstein, and I'll let you turn to it if you'd like,
00:16:47but it just tells us that Epstein was elected as a trustee of the Wexner Foundation in 1992,
00:16:53and that he remained a trustee until September 2007.
00:17:01Epstein would not have been the only trustee of the Wexner Foundation, correct?
00:17:06Objection to hearsay as to the document.
00:17:09The question is fine.
00:17:10Can you repeat it?
00:17:12Sure.
00:17:12Would Epstein, did the Wexner Foundation have more than one trustee?
00:17:19I'm sure it did, and I think there was a legal requirement to have three, and I don't know that.
00:17:28I just think that.
00:17:30Okay.
00:17:31On the next page, page 10, under the header number two, there's a header that reads,
00:17:40Epstein played no role in the operation of the Foundation's fellowships or other programs.
00:17:46And the first sentence afterwards says,
00:17:49Based upon our review of Foundation records and interviews with Foundation leaders,
00:17:54we concluded that, although a trustee, Epstein played no role in the management or administration of the Foundation's operations or
00:18:04programs.
00:18:05Now, on that topic, I'd like to introduce one more single-page exhibit for you.
00:18:12So, I'm just going to object to the statement as both a statement and hearsay, but go ahead.
00:18:18I think, as the Majority General Counsel noted, the objections have no legal grounding in this forum.
00:18:24I'm making it for the record.
00:18:26It is a deposition, so I'm making an objection, that's all.
00:18:41So, this is a single-page, and I'll give you a moment to look it over.
00:18:47This is D?
00:18:47That's D.
00:18:57I'll describe it briefly.
00:18:59This is...
00:19:00Can you give me a chance to read it?
00:19:01Sure, of course.
00:19:20I think I just read it.
00:19:23I've never seen this before, but go ahead.
00:19:25Great.
00:19:26It's an email chain from 2006 between, starting with Peg Ugland, who we understand was the financial controller for your
00:19:34family office,
00:19:34a person named Darren, who we understand to be Mr. Epstein's lawyer, Darren Indyke, and Jeffrey Epstein.
00:19:41And the chain appears to relate to a Foundation grant, and the question is whether the funds should come from
00:19:47the Wexner Foundation or some other related entity.
00:19:52Epstein appears to make the decision that if the recipient is a U.S. charity, then the funds should come
00:19:59from the Wexner Foundation.
00:20:01I'll just represent to you, there are other emails with similar themes.
00:20:05This email chain seems to clearly show Mr. Epstein acting as a final decision-maker with respect to the disbursement
00:20:13of Wexner Foundation funds.
00:20:15And that obviously does not square with findings in the independent report.
00:20:19So, having been interviewed for the report, my question is whether you had any understanding of Mr. Epstein playing this
00:20:27kind of role for the Foundation.
00:20:32I'm not sure I understand the question.
00:20:34No problem.
00:20:36Are you asking me, did Jeffrey decide that money should be given to Abeben?
00:20:41Or do I write a personal check or is it a Foundation check?
00:20:46It seems in this example, Mr. Epstein was deciding whether or not the funds for this entity should or should
00:20:53not come from the Wexner Foundation.
00:20:57Or from someplace else, not whether the donation should be made itself.
00:21:01I think that's the distinction he's trying to draw.
00:21:05I had no recollection of where it came from.
00:21:15I regularly helped Abeben after he retired from government.
00:21:22And I probably would have started with writing a personal check and then I would speculate how it was paid.
00:21:29I don't remember writing the check.
00:21:31But Abeben was a very good friend and he had no money.
00:21:36He worked for the government of Israel and Social Security was, his income was nothing.
00:21:42He was living in public housing.
00:21:44And my sense was that it wasn't fair.
00:21:47So I took care of him privately and his wife Susie until they both died.
00:21:54Did you have any knowledge that Mr. Epstein was acting as a final decision maker for whether or not to
00:22:00spend Foundation funds?
00:22:03Not at all. He would never have done that.
00:22:05He does appear to have done it here.
00:22:07As a decision maker, no. Absolutely not.
00:22:11This, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have not, didn't know it, wouldn't have thought it.
00:22:16So this, this role would have, him playing this role would have occurred without your knowledge?
00:22:22Objections. Seems in fact not in evidence.
00:22:27It happened without my knowledge.
00:22:30But I, but I did give money to my friend Abeben and his wife Susie.
00:22:36Okay. Thank you.
00:22:41I think we've had an additional member of Congress join us.
00:22:45If that individual could identify themselves, please.
00:22:49Congressman Steve Lynch of the 8th Congressional District of Massachusetts.
00:22:57Hello. I'm Les.
00:23:01I'd like to spend a little bit of time on the development of New Albany.
00:23:06And I know my colleagues also touched on that topic.
00:23:10Could you just briefly describe for us your role in the development of New Albany?
00:23:17I know it was substantial.
00:23:18So a brief overview.
00:23:21Yeah.
00:23:22It started out with me thinking I wanted to live, have a house in the country.
00:23:27And it began with thinking I would buy an old barn and restore it.
00:23:30And that'd be kind of a cool thing.
00:23:32And as I worked through the project, my personal project, I asked my friend Jack Kessler,
00:23:41who was a professional in the real estate business and a developer, you know, what land cost
00:23:47and, you know, what he thought of the idea.
00:23:55And then I got to thinking, do I really want to build a barn?
00:23:58And then I thought I'd want to build a house.
00:23:59And I kept telling Jack about what I was thinking I was going to do, having not done anything.
00:24:04And it started out pretty modestly.
00:24:06I think I bought like a 30-acre farm, which is about a mile from here, which I thought was
00:24:13a good location.
00:24:14And over time, I kept thinking about it, decided that wasn't a good location.
00:24:19This was a good location.
00:24:22And in the conversations with Jack, he kept saying, these are good ideas.
00:24:25You're not overpaying for land.
00:24:27Because this was something entirely new to me.
00:24:31And one day I said, Jack, if it's such a good idea, why don't you live here?
00:24:35And he said, I would, but my wife wouldn't move.
00:24:38And then one day he called up.
00:24:39He said, she thinks it's a good idea.
00:24:41And we're going to sell our house and we'll build one near yours, which is the house that's a half
00:24:45a mile away.
00:24:46And I said, if we're going to live here, do you think any of our friends would want to live
00:24:50out near us or acquaintances of his?
00:24:53And he said, yeah, I think a lot of people would like that.
00:24:56You know, the idea of having more land around and it's not that far from the airport, stuff like that.
00:25:04And that's how the idea began.
00:25:07And then the next idea was, how do you do it?
00:25:09And Jack is a professional, the only professional I know in the real estate business, other than shopping center developers,
00:25:17relied on his judgment about prices we were paying and acquisitions.
00:25:22Because I had a full-time job and I didn't know anything about this.
00:25:27And then I got to thinking one day, how do you do it?
00:25:31I mean, not acquire the land, how do you plan it?
00:25:34And I thought, there's a lot of smart people at Harvard.
00:25:37So I made a cold call to the School of Architecture, talked to the dean.
00:25:42I said, I have this idea.
00:25:43You don't know me.
00:25:45Could you recommend some architects?
00:25:47And he said, I don't recommend architects to strangers and projects I don't know about.
00:25:54And we talked a while more.
00:25:56And he said, if you'll buy a day of my time, if you're really serious, I'll come out and look
00:25:59at it.
00:25:59Because I don't know whether you're really serious about doing this.
00:26:03And then he gave me a list of architects.
00:26:06And I didn't know any of them.
00:26:08Want me to keep going?
00:26:09No, I think I've got the sense of it.
00:26:13It kind of just grew by topsy.
00:26:16I appreciate it.
00:26:18You also touched on this earlier, but what was the role of the New Albany Company in the development of
00:26:24the town of New Albany?
00:26:28Well, it was just the name of the community, so we called it the company.
00:26:32Because we were developing New Albany.
00:26:35If we developed it in Poughkeepsie, it would be called the Poughkeepsie Company.
00:26:39What was that, as far as you recall, Mr. Epstein's role in the development of New Albany?
00:26:47None.
00:26:48What was his role with the New Albany Company?
00:26:57As a fiduciary, being my financial advisor, to understand what was going on financially,
00:27:03I thought I knew what was going on in our businesses, but we always had a CFO.
00:27:09So I'd rely on the CFO to do what the CFO did, because I did the marketing and the planning.
00:27:15But every business had a CFO, every business had over you.
00:27:24And I had a lot of complexity that I didn't realize at the time in my life.
00:27:30So it was either, you know, somebody had to do this.
00:27:35And there's paper.
00:27:36I don't want to throw paper at you if I don't have to.
00:27:39But I'll represent to you that yourself and Mr. Epstein were, at least at one point,
00:27:43co-presidents of the New Albany Company.
00:27:46And I'm happy to show that, if that would be helpful.
00:27:49But I guess my question would be, what would his role have been as co-president of the
00:27:54New Albany Company?
00:27:58I don't remember it, but if he did, it was just, I don't know.
00:28:05I was the president, chairman of the board, and then the CEO of the company.
00:28:09But I really just thought my job was to be the president, so that the titles wouldn't
00:28:14have meant anything to me.
00:28:16It is right, I think, you tell me that the purpose of the New Albany Company was to assist
00:28:21in the development of New Albany.
00:28:23Is that right?
00:28:25It was more than that.
00:28:26New Albany was just a farm village.
00:28:28And I bought land here and developed it.
00:28:33Built the schools, built the fire station, built the police station, did all the community.
00:28:40Public facilities, you know, planted streets, I can remember, did all the drawings.
00:28:46So, I was the master developer of New Albany as a community.
00:28:54Did the New Albany Company have any purpose other than to assist in the development of New
00:28:59Albany?
00:29:00No.
00:29:01Okay.
00:29:02Mr. Epstein was, at one point, president of the New Albany Company.
00:29:07Objection.
00:29:08And I think you said he was co-president?
00:29:09That's correct.
00:29:10Co-president.
00:29:12But, just so I understand it, your testimony is that Mr. Epstein played no role in the development
00:29:17of New Albany.
00:29:18Absolutely no role.
00:29:20Okay.
00:29:27I'd like to talk about the limited company.
00:29:31Was Mr. Epstein ever employed by the limited company or any of its affiliated entities?
00:29:38Never.
00:29:38Did Mr. Epstein ever have an informal role with the limited company or any of its affiliated
00:29:44entities?
00:29:45Ever.
00:29:47Did he ever provide any services or advice to the company, regardless of compensation?
00:29:53Not that I recall.
00:29:56The Vanity Fair article we looked at earlier, I'll just relay the anecdote.
00:30:01You're welcome to look at it if you want to.
00:30:02But it retells a story that in 1996, the limited was preparing to spin off Abercrombie and Fitch
00:30:09on the New York Stock Exchange.
00:30:11And Epstein, reportedly, flew to Columbus and told your executives that he would decide the
00:30:17share price.
00:30:19Do you have any recollection of that occurring?
00:30:23No.
00:30:25And the article says that Tom Hopkins, who I think was the vice chair of the limited at
00:30:30the time, told you at that point that Epstein was a con man.
00:30:34Do you have any recollection of that occurring?
00:30:38No.
00:30:39Okay.
00:30:40I'll note there's been a lot of reporting that Mr. Epstein held himself out as affiliated
00:30:45with Victoria's Secret.
00:30:47We will come back to that topic a little bit later.
00:30:49Were there any instances at all that you can recall in which Epstein got involved in the
00:30:56limited business affairs?
00:30:59No.
00:31:03In terms of Mr. Epstein's compensation, how was he compensated for his work for you?
00:31:14I don't specifically recall, but I would guess fairly.
00:31:18I should be more clear.
00:31:20Was he compensated with salary or would it have been investment-based or securities or
00:31:26fee-based?
00:31:27Do you recall?
00:31:28What was the way in which you would compensate him?
00:31:30I don't recall.
00:31:36We discussed earlier, I think, that the breadth of his theft from you, I think, has been estimated
00:31:43by your counsels to be the hundreds of millions.
00:31:46Do you recall approximately what Mr. Epstein's total compensation would have been in his time
00:31:53with you?
00:31:55I'm sure I would have known them, but I don't recall them.
00:32:06I'd like to talk about Mr. Epstein's misappropriation or theft of your assets.
00:32:13And so I will introduce as Exhibit E.
00:32:38So this is an excerpt from a memo that the Department of Justice wrote in December of 2019.
00:32:45And DOJ was assessing the extent to which people around Epstein might have been liable for their
00:32:53conduct.
00:32:54The memo is long.
00:32:56I will represent.
00:32:57I have given you only the excerpt that relates to you.
00:33:00There's nothing else in this document that relates to you directly.
00:33:04The section that I've given you on pages, on the second and third pages of the document,
00:33:10that's 65 and 66 at the bottom, this is a summary of a proffer that your lawyer or lawyers
00:33:21gave to DOJ in July of 2019.
00:33:27With respect to Epstein's theft from you, in the second half of the second paragraph,
00:33:35I'll read it out loud.
00:33:36Your attorneys, quote, explained that over his years handling Wexner's finances,
00:33:42Epstein stole or otherwise misappropriated several hundred million dollars from Wexner.
00:33:48That misconduct, together with the fees that Epstein paid himself for his services to Wexner,
00:33:54appears to account for virtually all of Epstein's wealth.
00:34:00So several hundred million dollars is a large but not precise figure.
00:34:06To the best of your knowledge, how much exactly did Epstein steal?
00:34:10I don't know.
00:34:12I don't think I'll ever know.
00:34:17I'd like to try to understand a little bit better how Epstein was able to steal or misappropriate
00:34:23that many funds.
00:34:26One way, reportedly, is that the trusts that we described earlier, which I know you said
00:34:33you have no recollection of, but I just want to be thorough, the trusts that he was trustee
00:34:38of would receive gifts of limited stock.
00:34:41And he would then sell that stock on the New York Stock Exchange and then use a portion
00:34:47of those proceeds for his own personal purposes.
00:34:50Do you have any knowledge or recollection of what I just described?
00:34:54I'm effing surprised.
00:34:58I'm shocked.
00:34:59I didn't know this.
00:35:01Is it that you have not previously heard what I just described?
00:35:04I never heard of it.
00:35:06Never saw this document.
00:35:07And it was publicly reported, I think, by ABC several years ago, but not ever on your
00:35:13radar?
00:35:14Never.
00:35:15Okay.
00:35:16The report indicates that it was more than or around $1.3 billion of stock that Epstein
00:35:25moved around that way.
00:35:26Not that he kept all of that money for himself, but the total amount of stock sales was over
00:35:31a billion dollars.
00:35:31You have no knowledge or awareness of that.
00:35:36I don't know the amounts.
00:35:38The only trust that I'm aware of is my wife set up trusts for our kids, you know, so however
00:35:46she set them up in the amounts, I have no idea what's in them then or now.
00:35:51And then separately, it's been reported that around $20 million of stock and cash were contributed
00:35:58by two of your charitable foundations to one of Epstein's charities.
00:36:03Do you have any knowledge or awareness of that?
00:36:06Effing shocked.
00:36:07I just, I'm appalled.
00:36:09I never heard that.
00:36:11Effing shocked.
00:36:15Did you know that?
00:36:19No.
00:36:23Thank you, Mr. Reckstrand.
00:36:24We have some additional questions and we have some questions from some of the members here.
00:36:27I'll start. I want to just go back to something.
00:36:32Earlier in the deposition, you said that you were
00:36:35never aware of Jeffrey Epstein or Lee Maxwell
00:36:39sexually abusing minors or adult women. Is that correct?
00:36:45I know Jeffrey
00:36:47was accused by an adult woman of abusing her
00:36:52and that's the only thing
00:36:55that I knew until the shit hit the fan. So prior to
00:36:59becoming public knowledge, you were never aware of Jeffrey Epstein or
00:37:04Elaine Maxwell? Absolutely not.
00:37:05You have to wait until he finishes asking the question.
00:37:09The court reporters will get mad at you if you don't.
00:37:11I think you said being or not. Were you ever aware
00:37:15of Jeffrey Epstein or Elaine Maxwell sexually abusing
00:37:19men or boys? No.
00:37:25How about
00:37:26trafficking men or boys? No.
00:37:29Prior to it
00:37:30becoming public knowledge, were you
00:37:32ever aware of Jeffrey Epstein or Elaine Maxwell
00:37:34arranging for a prominent
00:37:36person to have sex with
00:37:38another person? Never.
00:37:39Mr. Webster.
00:37:41Can I ask you, Mr. Webster, were you
00:37:43ever with Jeffrey Epstein
00:37:45in the presence
00:37:47of women or men
00:37:49in bathing suits or underwear?
00:37:56No.
00:37:57Never in the presence of women
00:37:59or men in bathing suits or underwear
00:38:02with Mr. Epstein?
00:38:04No.
00:38:08No.
00:38:08I mean, if he was at the fashion show,
00:38:11if he was at the fashion show,
00:38:12he would have seen women in the underwear.
00:38:14But, you know, 500 people.
00:38:16So you're saying that if he was at a fashion show
00:38:19with you through the fashion business,
00:38:20it may have been the case.
00:38:22But maybe, but could it have been the case
00:38:24that you were with Mr. Epstein maybe
00:38:25prior to the fashion show
00:38:27or in another space?
00:38:29No. Absolutely not.
00:38:31So did any women or men
00:38:34ever model clothes for you
00:38:36in the presence of Mr. Epstein?
00:38:39No.
00:38:40So not at a fashion show
00:38:42and not in a private home or residence?
00:38:46Being in the audience of the fashion show
00:38:48would have been the only possible time.
00:38:54Are you aware of any individual
00:38:56that has given either a public statement
00:39:00or any information of anyone
00:39:02that has actually said
00:39:04that they believe you were,
00:39:06with Mr. Epstein,
00:39:08in the presence of women or men
00:39:11modeling clothes or underwear?
00:39:18I think the answer is no,
00:39:19but I'm not sure I understand the question.
00:39:21I'll move on.
00:39:24Just a direct question for you, sir.
00:39:25Also, did you yourself
00:39:27ever have a sexual encounter
00:39:30with any individual that was introduced to you
00:39:33by Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell?
00:39:34No.
00:39:37Did you personally
00:39:39have a sexual relationship
00:39:41with Jeffrey Epstein?
00:39:42No.
00:39:45Are you aware
00:39:47that others have claimed
00:39:49that you had a sexual relationship
00:39:52with Jeffrey Epstein?
00:39:54No.
00:39:57Did you ever suspect, sir,
00:40:00if Jeffrey Epstein
00:40:01ever had any sexual relationships
00:40:03with other men?
00:40:04No.
00:40:07But you, since it being public knowledge,
00:40:10you are now aware
00:40:11that Jeffrey Epstein
00:40:12had inappropriate sexual relationships
00:40:14with other women.
00:40:15Is that correct?
00:40:18Yes.
00:40:19What I know from the press, the stories.
00:40:21Yes.
00:40:21Okay.
00:40:22I'm sorry.
00:40:26I'd like to ask you
00:40:27about Epstein's properties
00:40:28and your visits to them.
00:40:30Of course, Epstein's New York
00:40:32and New Albany houses
00:40:33were originally yours
00:40:35we discussed earlier.
00:40:36And you also had a house
00:40:37in Palm Beach.
00:40:38Is that correct?
00:40:40Objection.
00:40:41The, the,
00:40:41I think he testified
00:40:42that the house in New Albany
00:40:44was Mr. Kessler's.
00:40:45Okay.
00:40:48I'm just trying to clarify.
00:40:50No.
00:40:51And the house in Palm Beach?
00:40:53Is there a house
00:40:54that you had in Palm Beach?
00:40:55Sorry?
00:40:56I had a,
00:40:57I did have a house in Palm Beach.
00:40:59Okay.
00:41:00Did you ever visit Epstein's home
00:41:01in Palm Beach?
00:41:03Once.
00:41:06Can you tell us about that visit?
00:41:11He bought a house in Palm Beach
00:41:13and he wanted me to see it.
00:41:17I think he wanted me
00:41:18and Abigail to see it.
00:41:20And we flew down
00:41:21on like a Sunday morning
00:41:22with friends of ours
00:41:24from Columbus.
00:41:28Looked, looked at the house.
00:41:30You know, congratulations.
00:41:31Got back on the plane
00:41:32and came home.
00:41:34And it was pretty modest house.
00:41:37Nothing special.
00:41:38So.
00:41:38So one trip,
00:41:40in that trip,
00:41:41did you ever witness
00:41:41Donald Trump at the house?
00:41:43No.
00:41:44Do you recall any other
00:41:46prominent figures
00:41:46at the Palm Beach house?
00:41:48No.
00:41:49Just Jeffrey and my friends.
00:41:53Who were the other friends?
00:41:54Julie and Steve Tuckerman.
00:41:56Dr. Stephen Tuckerman
00:41:58and his wife Judith.
00:42:01I'm sure they'll be delighted about that.
00:42:03No, they won't be.
00:42:05They're in heaven.
00:42:06Did you ever visit his island
00:42:08in the U.S. Virgin Islands?
00:42:10Yes.
00:42:11Can you tell us
00:42:12about those visits?
00:42:13Yes.
00:42:14Jeffrey invited us to see it.
00:42:21and we were on a boat
00:42:22and we went to the island
00:42:24with our kids.
00:42:26So Abigail, myself,
00:42:27and I can't remember
00:42:28how many kids we had,
00:42:29two or three or four,
00:42:30but at least two,
00:42:32walked around for a while
00:42:33and left.
00:42:35Probably an hour of visit.
00:42:37Okay, an hour.
00:42:38So on that trip,
00:42:40do you recall seeing
00:42:40any prominent figures
00:42:41on the island?
00:42:43No.
00:42:44It was a pretty crummy island.
00:42:46Okay.
00:42:47Did you ever visit his ranch
00:42:48in New Mexico
00:42:49or his house in Paris?
00:42:52Do you want to break those up
00:42:54for clarity?
00:42:55Did you ever visit
00:42:55his ranch in New Mexico?
00:42:57It was the same kind of thing.
00:42:59He wanted Abigail and I
00:43:00to see his ranch.
00:43:01We flew down there
00:43:03and drove around for an hour
00:43:05or two,
00:43:06got back on the plane
00:43:06and came home.
00:43:08And I don't think
00:43:09he had a house.
00:43:10So you would fly
00:43:11just to go visit
00:43:12for one hour?
00:43:14Yeah.
00:43:15I would fly to Europe
00:43:16for one hour
00:43:17on business trips.
00:43:18As crazy as it is,
00:43:21getting in the plane
00:43:22when places for me
00:43:24was like going
00:43:25in the mailbox.
00:43:29And he didn't have a house
00:43:31on the ranch
00:43:32and I never knew
00:43:33he had a house in Paris.
00:43:35And in the ranch
00:43:36in New Mexico
00:43:37that you spent an hour at,
00:43:38were there any prominent figures
00:43:40or anyone
00:43:40that you recall
00:43:41else being there?
00:43:42No, as I recall
00:43:43it was just Abigail
00:43:44myself
00:43:45and I think he'd rented
00:43:46a trailer
00:43:47so it wasn't a house.
00:43:49And
00:43:51that's all I know.
00:43:53Okay.
00:43:54And so to clarify
00:43:55you didn't know
00:43:55he had a house in Paris
00:43:56so you did not ever go
00:43:57to the house in Paris?
00:43:58I didn't
00:44:00didn't know he had
00:44:00a house in Paris
00:44:01and therefore he didn't
00:44:02know the house in Paris.
00:44:04Okay.
00:44:06During any of your visits
00:44:08to any of these properties
00:44:10did you ever see
00:44:12any girls or women
00:44:13that looked unusually young?
00:44:15No.
00:44:17Did you ever hear rumors
00:44:19of any girls or women
00:44:20who looked unusually young
00:44:22visiting Epstein's property?
00:44:24No.
00:44:25Never did.
00:44:26During any visits
00:44:27to Epstein's property
00:44:28did you ever see photographs
00:44:29or other images
00:44:31of women or minors?
00:44:32Not that I recall.
00:44:35Did you ever become aware
00:44:37of Epstein transporting
00:44:38women or minors
00:44:39using assets
00:44:40that you owned
00:44:41whether that's a plane
00:44:41that you owned
00:44:42or a yacht that you owned?
00:44:44Absolutely not.
00:44:46No.
00:44:47And did you ever hear
00:44:49of any rumors
00:44:50related to Epstein's
00:44:51personal life
00:44:52or his sexual activities?
00:44:56No.
00:44:57Rumors that you may have heard
00:44:59from the grapevine?
00:45:05That's kind of ambiguous.
00:45:08I think I'll answer you
00:45:10I think you're asking
00:45:12an ambiguous question.
00:45:16I would go to visit
00:45:19David Gergen at Harvard
00:45:20because I was very interested
00:45:22in the center of public leadership.
00:45:26and David would say
00:45:27Geoffrey was up here
00:45:28your friend Geoffrey
00:45:29was up here
00:45:30and he was visiting
00:45:31Henry Rosofsky
00:45:32who was the dean
00:45:33of Harvard College
00:45:34or he was visiting
00:45:35Larry Summers
00:45:35and he always has
00:45:36an admin with him
00:45:37or you know
00:45:38a girl
00:45:39and he says he never
00:45:40a woman
00:45:41he'd be more accurate
00:45:42he said he never travels
00:45:43by himself.
00:45:46And I think that's
00:45:47what I'm referring to
00:45:48I mean I don't think
00:45:49I'd get through a day
00:45:50without hearing a rumor
00:45:51about somebody
00:45:52so I imagine
00:45:53somebody you were close
00:45:54to you probably heard.
00:45:56No but it wasn't
00:45:56it was more like
00:45:58he was traveling
00:45:59with his admin
00:46:00or his secretary
00:46:01or his lady lawyer
00:46:03or his lady accountant
00:46:04that's what I would hear
00:46:06but it wasn't
00:46:07I don't
00:46:08I never heard rumors
00:46:10about Geoffrey
00:46:13Geoffrey was traveling
00:46:13around
00:46:14with a girlfriend
00:46:15for this
00:46:16or a girl
00:46:17it was like
00:46:17it was part of his
00:46:19I don't know
00:46:20social visits
00:46:21or something
00:46:21it was always
00:46:23if I heard it was
00:46:24in reference to
00:46:25work
00:46:26his work.
00:46:27Okay.
00:46:29Ms. Crockett.
00:46:31Yes.
00:46:33I actually want to start
00:46:35a little bit
00:46:36of a different place
00:46:37really quickly.
00:46:39Dr. Mark Landon
00:46:41are you familiar
00:46:42with him?
00:46:42Who?
00:46:43Dr. Mark Landon?
00:46:44Yes.
00:46:45Okay.
00:46:46He was paid
00:46:47by Epstein
00:46:48on your behalf
00:46:49to consult
00:46:50on biomedical investments
00:46:52is that correct?
00:46:54I just
00:46:55heard about that
00:46:57I didn't know that
00:46:59until maybe
00:47:00I don't know
00:47:00the last few days.
00:47:02Okay.
00:47:02So
00:47:03with you knowing
00:47:04Dr. Mark Landon
00:47:05are you aware
00:47:07as to whether or not
00:47:08Dr. Landon
00:47:09ever
00:47:10was paid
00:47:11to render
00:47:12medical services
00:47:13to any
00:47:14of the alleged
00:47:16victims
00:47:16of Jeffrey Epstein?
00:47:18No.
00:47:19What is your
00:47:20relationship
00:47:21with Dr. Landon?
00:47:25Dr. Mark Landon?
00:47:26Abigail had a complicated
00:47:28pregnancy
00:47:29and
00:47:31their general
00:47:32obstetrician
00:47:34I believe
00:47:35referred her
00:47:36to Mark Landon
00:47:37and he is an
00:47:37obstetrician
00:47:38and
00:47:40that's how I met him
00:47:41and he delivered
00:47:43our children.
00:47:45Okay.
00:47:45And so
00:47:46our relationship,
00:47:47my relationship
00:47:48with him
00:47:48is my wife's doctor.
00:47:50Did you ever
00:47:50introduce him to
00:47:51Jeffrey Epstein?
00:47:53No.
00:47:55Okay.
00:47:56Alright.
00:47:57Did you ever
00:47:59spend time
00:48:00with Epstein
00:48:00and Donald Trump?
00:48:04Together?
00:48:05Yes.
00:48:16I want to answer this
00:48:17question accurately.
00:48:20I would go to some
00:48:21of the Victoria's Secret
00:48:22fashion shows
00:48:23because they were
00:48:23very important
00:48:24to the brand.
00:48:25At some of the fashion shows
00:48:26Jeffrey was there
00:48:27and some Trump was there
00:48:28and I remember
00:48:29because Trump would always
00:48:30introduce himself
00:48:31to me
00:48:32and always thought
00:48:33it was kind of odd
00:48:35that he was at the fashion show
00:48:36because he had nothing
00:48:37to do with fashion.
00:48:39So
00:48:39the coincidence
00:48:41of them being together
00:48:42at an event
00:48:45it could have been that
00:48:46but I have no specific
00:48:48recollection
00:48:49and never had a social
00:48:50or like a drink
00:48:51or a cup of coffee
00:48:52something
00:48:57that would put them together.
00:48:59Okay.
00:49:00So just to clarify
00:49:01because I want to make sure
00:49:02we're clear on the record
00:49:03you're saying that
00:49:04you can recall
00:49:05instances
00:49:07potentially where
00:49:07Epstein
00:49:08and Trump were together
00:49:09and you were
00:49:10in their presence
00:49:11or just
00:49:12a random scenario
00:49:14where Epstein
00:49:15may be there
00:49:15Trump may be there
00:49:16separately
00:49:17and then you would be there.
00:49:19It would be at random.
00:49:21That would be accurate.
00:49:22If it happened
00:49:23but I have no specific recollection.
00:49:25Okay.
00:49:30Did you ever see
00:49:31or become
00:49:32aware
00:49:33of President Trump
00:49:34having
00:49:35a sexual relationship
00:49:36with a person
00:49:37who was introduced
00:49:38to him
00:49:39by Epstein
00:49:40or Maxwell?
00:49:41No.
00:49:45Has Donald Trump
00:49:46ever discussed
00:49:48Jeffrey Epstein
00:49:49with you?
00:49:50No.
00:49:53Did Jeffrey Epstein
00:49:55ever discuss
00:49:56Donald Trump
00:49:56with you?
00:50:04I would describe
00:50:06it.
00:50:06He would name drop
00:50:07it.
00:50:08So he would say
00:50:09things like
00:50:10I know President Clinton
00:50:11or I know the Pope
00:50:12or I know God
00:50:13or I know you.
00:50:16It was that kind
00:50:17of name dropping
00:50:18but never
00:50:20I can't remember
00:50:21a specific place
00:50:22but Jeffrey dropped
00:50:23a lot of names.
00:50:25Okay.
00:50:26So to clarify
00:50:27you believe
00:50:29he specifically
00:50:30dropped
00:50:30Donald Trump's name?
00:50:32No.
00:50:33I'm saying it could have
00:50:34and I don't remember.
00:50:35Okay.
00:50:37Did Epstein
00:50:38ever share
00:50:39any information
00:50:39with you about
00:50:40Donald Trump's
00:50:42sexual activities?
00:50:44No.
00:50:45Do you have
00:50:45a relationship
00:50:46with Donald Trump?
00:50:48No.
00:50:50But you've
00:50:50met him before.
00:50:56He would
00:50:57he introduced
00:50:58himself to me
00:50:59at the fashion show
00:51:00a couple of times
00:51:02but I wouldn't say
00:51:04hello how are you
00:51:05like you say met
00:51:08like in
00:51:08we knew each other
00:51:10we don't know each other
00:51:11he wouldn't
00:51:12I'd be shocked
00:51:13if he remembered me.
00:51:14Okay.
00:51:15And I know that you
00:51:17specifically mentioned
00:51:18the island
00:51:19that you have been to
00:51:21Jeffrey's island
00:51:22do you recall seeing
00:51:24any of those
00:51:25persons that
00:51:26Jeffrey Epstein
00:51:27name dropped
00:51:28while you were on
00:51:29his island?
00:51:30No.
00:51:30Nobody was there
00:51:31but Abigail
00:51:33myself, Jeffrey
00:51:35maybe
00:51:35somebody cutting grass
00:51:37or something
00:51:37there was a maintenance
00:51:39person I think
00:51:40I don't
00:51:41specifically recall
00:51:42I know for sure
00:51:44I was there
00:51:44Abigail was there
00:51:46Jeffrey was there.
00:51:47And there wasn't
00:51:48anything abnormal
00:51:49about the appearance
00:51:51of the home
00:51:54on the island
00:51:56and the reason
00:51:57that I asked
00:51:58just to give you
00:51:58clarification on
00:51:59what I mean by
00:52:01abnormal
00:52:02we've heard reports
00:52:03of people being
00:52:05thrown off
00:52:06when they walked
00:52:07into his home
00:52:08in New York
00:52:09because there was
00:52:10a massage table
00:52:11that was just
00:52:12sitting randomly
00:52:13in the middle
00:52:14of a room
00:52:14did you see
00:52:15anything like that
00:52:17when you visited
00:52:18any property
00:52:19that belonged
00:52:19to Jeffrey Epstein?
00:52:24Well first to clarify
00:52:26when we visited
00:52:27the island
00:52:27there was
00:52:29like a Pueblo building
00:52:30like
00:52:31maybe a
00:52:32one room
00:52:33and a bathroom
00:52:33or something
00:52:34it was pretty crummy
00:52:35and
00:52:36the island was crummy
00:52:38there were no trees
00:52:40there was no sand
00:52:40there was no beach
00:52:41it was just
00:52:42it was kind of
00:52:43a peculiar thing
00:52:44it was an island
00:52:44but it was like
00:52:45a pile of rocks
00:52:46it was just
00:52:48I was kind of shocked
00:52:49that it was
00:52:50that anybody
00:52:51would buy it
00:52:52for any purpose
00:52:55as far as
00:52:56seeing things
00:52:57you know
00:52:58I never was in
00:52:59the house
00:52:59you know
00:53:00I never
00:53:00at his house
00:53:01in New York
00:53:03the house in Florida
00:53:04we were there
00:53:05after he bought it
00:53:05as I mentioned
00:53:06with the couples
00:53:07I never saw
00:53:08a massage table
00:53:09or
00:53:11anything
00:53:14Hello
00:53:14Thank you so much
00:53:16for sharing
00:53:17Thank you
00:53:17Mr. Weinstein
00:53:18for your ability
00:53:20to answer a lot of questions
00:53:21I think
00:53:21when you meet the survivors
00:53:23it becomes incredibly personal
00:53:25especially for women
00:53:26on this committee
00:53:27so I appreciate it
00:53:28but I'd like to introduce
00:53:28the exhibit
00:53:29I believe it's F
00:53:31the article is titled
00:53:32Jeffrey Epstein
00:53:33made regular payments
00:53:34to Ohio State Head
00:53:35of Gynecology
00:53:37records show
00:53:37which is from a local affiliate
00:53:39it's dated February 10, 2016
00:53:41and we'll be able to give it to you
00:53:43and it's about Dr. Weinstein
00:53:54I know they're passing it out
00:53:56but Mr. Weinstein
00:53:57in the article
00:53:58explains that recent
00:54:00Department of Justice files
00:54:01indicate that
00:54:02in early 2000
00:54:03Epstein was making quarterly payments
00:54:06to Dr. Michael Landon
00:54:08who is the OBGYN
00:54:09and the chair of the OBGYN
00:54:10department
00:54:11at Ohio State University
00:54:13and you said that your wife
00:54:15got
00:54:15received services
00:54:16from Dr. Landon
00:54:17so you know him
00:54:19Yes
00:54:19Okay
00:54:20Dr. Landon said the payments
00:54:22were consulting services
00:54:23he provided for New York
00:54:25Strategy Group
00:54:26which was some kind of firm
00:54:28associated with Epstein
00:54:29Do you know why
00:54:30why was he getting paid
00:54:32the quarterly payment
00:54:33by Epstein?
00:54:34Not at court
00:54:35No
00:54:36Um
00:54:37Do you know if there is
00:54:38gynecology services
00:54:39being offered to Epstein?
00:54:41For victims?
00:54:42Women?
00:54:44No idea
00:54:45Cause you were
00:54:45you're like
00:54:46you're very associated
00:54:47with the Ohio State University
00:54:48right?
00:54:49Yes
00:54:50You were the board chair
00:54:51Were you aware
00:54:52that Jeffrey Epstein
00:54:53was paying him
00:54:54quarterly payments?
00:54:55No
00:54:55You weren't?
00:54:57No
00:54:58Okay
00:54:58So the article suggests
00:54:59that Epstein would bill
00:55:00you and your wife
00:55:03for at least one of these payments
00:55:04in 2005
00:55:06quote
00:55:07as we have in prior years
00:55:09that's evidence
00:55:10within the Department of Justice
00:55:11Mr. Wexner
00:55:13Were you aware
00:55:14of these $25,000 quarterly payments
00:55:17coming from your accounts
00:55:18in 2005
00:55:18and earlier?
00:55:20Not until this moment
00:55:22You know Mr. Wexner
00:55:23I'm watching this all unfold
00:55:25and I just want you to know
00:55:26it's incredibly hard
00:55:29for people to
00:55:32understand you don't know this
00:55:33because
00:55:34maybe you don't know
00:55:35the specific details
00:55:36maybe you don't know
00:55:37the dollar amounts
00:55:38but Epstein was able
00:55:40to be empowered and enabled
00:55:41to hurt more people
00:55:42with your money
00:55:44you understand that?
00:55:46Oh yeah
00:55:46he's a crook
00:55:47I know
00:55:49but
00:55:49you don't know the purpose
00:55:51of the payment
00:55:52and the money's coming from you
00:55:53it's your money
00:55:53and you don't know
00:55:55why he's paying a doctor
00:55:56at Ohio State University
00:55:57Sadly I don't
00:55:59Did you introduce him
00:56:00to Dr. Landon?
00:56:01No
00:56:02How did he meet Dr. Landon?
00:56:04I wouldn't know
00:56:05that he met him
00:56:05Because he's
00:56:06your wife
00:56:08received services
00:56:09from Dr. Michael Landon
00:56:11Yes and so did
00:56:12my daughter
00:56:12Okay
00:56:14So was it a routine
00:56:15practice for the
00:56:16New York State
00:56:17strategy groups
00:56:18expenses to be paid
00:56:19by your accounts?
00:56:20I never heard of it
00:56:21It's weird because
00:56:22it's your money going in
00:56:24to pay for this
00:56:25consulting services
00:56:25of another company
00:56:29It's weird to me too
00:56:30So Dr. Landon
00:56:31never talked to you
00:56:32about these
00:56:33quarterly payments?
00:56:34Never
00:56:34Never
00:56:38Something else that comes up
00:56:39because
00:56:39one of the claims
00:56:41that you're saying
00:56:41that you're not close friends
00:56:42and everything
00:56:43you know some of us
00:56:44have access to the redacted
00:56:46emails
00:56:46some of us already
00:56:47I think majority of us
00:56:48have gone down there
00:56:50There is constant claims
00:56:52from survivors
00:56:53again they're redacted
00:56:54from some of the communication
00:56:55directly with Maxwell
00:56:56or directly
00:56:58with other women
00:56:58that were helping
00:56:59with Epstein
00:57:00and your name comes up
00:57:01synonymously sometimes
00:57:03with Epstein
00:57:05Did you know that?
00:57:06I know it now
00:57:07Well they also said
00:57:09that you were lovers
00:57:09and I know
00:57:12it's nothing to be ashamed of
00:57:13I just want you to know
00:57:14It's so great
00:57:15No, no, it's nothing
00:57:16to be ashamed of
00:57:17but it would explain
00:57:18I think
00:57:19the closeness
00:57:20that everyone consistently
00:57:22says no one
00:57:23ever says
00:57:24you're not close
00:57:25is that
00:57:25like everyone says
00:57:26that you had a close relationship
00:57:28that
00:57:29you
00:57:30and Epstein
00:57:31were close friends
00:57:32Did you know that?
00:57:33Objection hearsay
00:57:34Okay
00:57:35I think
00:57:36Mr. Wexner
00:57:37could you provide us
00:57:38with the name
00:57:39of every registered
00:57:40legal entity
00:57:41and this is important
00:57:42because if you don't know
00:57:43now then give us
00:57:44the information
00:57:44help us find the people
00:57:46that hurt the girls
00:57:46with your money
00:57:48I'm asking
00:57:49and urging you to
00:57:50please
00:57:51you started your business
00:57:52with your Aunt Ida's money
00:57:54you don't want your legacy
00:57:55to be not just Epstein
00:57:57but Dr.
00:57:57what is the guy's other's name?
00:57:59Dr. Richard Strauss?
00:58:01Richard Strauss
00:58:02who also
00:58:02the
00:58:02well it doesn't matter
00:58:04you were chair of the Ohio State University
00:58:06he was the board chair
00:58:08at the time
00:58:08that he hurt other women
00:58:10athletes
00:58:11on campus
00:58:11this is to say to you
00:58:13it's not only one person
00:58:15that hurt women
00:58:17but now two
00:58:18that are affiliated
00:58:19with you directly
00:58:20and I just want
00:58:21to urge you
00:58:22that if you don't know
00:58:23the answers to this
00:58:23follow up with our committee
00:58:25give us the information
00:58:26so we can find out
00:58:27who hurt the women
00:58:28and who benefited from it
00:58:30so could you provide us
00:58:31with the name of every
00:58:32registered legal entity
00:58:33of which you were
00:58:34the beneficial owner
00:58:35between the start
00:58:36of your relationship
00:58:37with Mr. Epstein
00:58:38and his death
00:58:40can you provide that
00:58:41to the committee sir?
00:58:42I would provide you
00:58:43with everything and anything
00:58:44I could to nail that
00:58:45son of a bitch
00:58:47where they were registered
00:58:48and the date of registration
00:58:49and the names of whoever
00:58:50acted as the agent
00:58:51of those entities
00:58:53can I request that
00:58:54you just put that
00:58:55request in writing
00:58:56and direct it to me
00:58:58and we will take
00:59:00we'll take it
00:59:01and respond to it
00:59:03and it's important
00:59:03because Mr. Wexner
00:59:04so you know
00:59:04the women the survivors
00:59:06told us to follow the money
00:59:08consistently
00:59:09the other question
00:59:10and this will be my last
00:59:13you claimed that you have
00:59:15been a victim
00:59:15and defrauded by Epstein
00:59:18correct?
00:59:19correct
00:59:19then why didn't you
00:59:21file charges
00:59:22go after him
00:59:23he used money to hurt girls
00:59:26and probably with young men
00:59:27why didn't she do anything
00:59:29to recruit your name
00:59:31which has been synonymous
00:59:34with Epstein
00:59:35do you know your name
00:59:37comes up in the emails
00:59:38among victims
00:59:40who never met you
00:59:42but your name
00:59:43was used
00:59:44consistently
00:59:45I'm not sure
00:59:46I understand
00:59:46what the question did
00:59:47the question is
00:59:48why didn't you file
00:59:49any charges against Epstein
00:59:50if you conned you
00:59:51of 200 million dollars
00:59:53that we know of
00:59:54why didn't you go after him?
00:59:56well at the time
00:59:57I didn't know
00:59:59and
00:59:59when you found out
01:00:00why didn't you go after him?
01:00:04is it because he was a good friend?
01:00:08no
01:00:10my dad
01:00:11my dad is probably laughing
01:00:13no
01:00:14one of the things my dad told me
01:00:16that you don't get a pissing contest
01:00:17with an elephant
01:00:19and running a public company
01:00:20for a long time
01:00:21I'm not good at public relations
01:00:24or financial public relations
01:00:26and so I would answer questions
01:00:28to analysts
01:00:29I'd call people up
01:00:30and I'd tell them the truth
01:00:32and what I learned
01:00:33in the course of my business career
01:00:36whether it was my chief of staff
01:00:38the company lawyer
01:00:39personal lawyers
01:00:40what should I do?
01:00:42and the advice is
01:00:43let us handle it
01:00:44you don't want to get ahead of this
01:00:47so I'm happy
01:00:49that today is happening
01:00:51because I want to help
01:00:53and I would do everything I can
01:00:56to nail that son of a bitch
01:01:01please let him finish
01:01:02and I can't tell you
01:01:07how much I value my own ethics
01:01:10my own moral compass
01:01:11that it has a true north
01:01:13and what I think happened
01:01:17now knowing about all the cons
01:01:19is that Jeffrey would tell somebody
01:01:21that they were me
01:01:23or this was somebody else
01:01:24I don't
01:01:25you and I have never met
01:01:27I don't recognize you
01:01:29but you're a congresswoman
01:01:31I think
01:01:31yeah I never met you
01:01:33but you're all over the emails
01:01:34yeah but
01:01:35so I presume you're a congresswoman
01:01:37and I presume
01:01:38you're not a man in a woman's clothing
01:01:41I don't know what I didn't know
01:01:43and I
01:01:46I understand
01:01:46this is
01:01:47you know now
01:01:48you can do something about it
01:01:49oh yeah
01:01:50so Wexner claims
01:01:51you claim that you cut ties
01:01:53with that Stephen 07 right?
01:01:55okay
01:01:57but you emailed
01:01:58Epstein
01:01:58quote
01:01:59Abigail told me
01:02:01the response
01:02:01all I can say is
01:02:03I feel sorry
01:02:03you violated your own
01:02:05number one rule
01:02:07always be careful
01:02:08end of the quote
01:02:09that was an email in 2008
01:02:11Mr. Wexner
01:02:13I know
01:02:14I'm letting you know
01:02:15that the public knows
01:02:16probably
01:02:17I was giving him the finger
01:02:20Director
01:02:21that's a Henry
01:02:22Director
01:02:22real briefly
01:02:23did the FBI
01:02:25or the Department of Justice
01:02:26ever directly speak to you
01:02:28about Epstein or Maxwell?
01:02:31has the FBI or DOJ
01:02:32ever directly contacted you
01:02:34or spoken to you
01:02:34about
01:02:36not to my knowledge
01:02:36never
01:02:37never
01:02:38and then finally
01:02:39would you consider
01:02:40Donald Trump
01:02:42and Jeffrey Epstein
01:02:42friends?
01:02:44or friendly?
01:02:44would you classify them that way
01:02:45in the information that you have?
01:02:52I think it's really two questions
01:02:55would I think they were friends?
01:02:57no
01:02:59Jeffrey Epstein held him out
01:03:02as a friend
01:03:03great
01:03:04thank you
01:03:05we can go off the record
01:03:12we'll go back on the record
01:03:14what's that?
01:03:15that is a microphone
01:03:18Mr. Wexner
01:03:19it is
01:03:191-17 in the afternoon
01:03:23our
01:03:23minority colleagues
01:03:25touched
01:03:25on a lot of different
01:03:26subject areas
01:03:27and I just want to
01:03:28go back through
01:03:29and parse out some things
01:03:32first though
01:03:33I want to enter
01:03:34as Exhibit 5
01:03:36the
01:03:38letter from
01:03:39Les
01:04:05general news
01:04:06directed to the Wexner
01:04:08foundation community
01:04:10I will stipulate to you
01:04:11there's no date
01:04:12on here
01:04:13the data was posted
01:04:13on the website
01:04:14was August 8th
01:04:152019
01:04:16do you guys have any reason
01:04:17to dispute that?
01:04:21in this
01:04:22letter that you wrote
01:04:24in August of 2019
01:04:26you mentioned
01:04:28that you had
01:04:29that Mr. Epstein
01:04:30had various
01:04:30well-known
01:04:32respected individuals
01:04:32as financial clients
01:04:34and in his inner circle
01:04:35my question to you is
01:04:37could you elaborate
01:04:38a little bit to
01:04:39who
01:04:40some of those
01:04:41financial clients were
01:04:42that you were aware of?
01:04:45just
01:04:45it says
01:04:47Epstein represented
01:04:48that he had that
01:04:48he wouldn't know
01:04:49if he did or not
01:04:50were you aware of
01:04:51any of Mr. Epstein's
01:04:52other clients?
01:04:57let me think
01:05:11well
01:05:11specifically
01:05:12I talked to
01:05:13Ellie de Rothschild
01:05:14since I mentioned
01:05:15that earlier
01:05:18so
01:05:18he
01:05:19he represented
01:05:20their whole families
01:05:21there have been a whole
01:05:21bunch of people
01:05:23many
01:05:23most of them I never
01:05:24would have met
01:05:25but I knew Ellie
01:05:31I never
01:05:33met people
01:05:35but there
01:05:36were people that
01:05:37called me
01:05:39that
01:05:40either insinuated
01:05:44or
01:05:45said they were
01:05:46knew Jeffrey through
01:05:47a financial relationship
01:05:49and
01:05:53so I mean they could have
01:05:54been actors but
01:05:55in the time
01:05:56a guy calls me up
01:05:58I'll give you an example
01:06:01just
01:06:02it's just
01:06:03no no because I want you
01:06:04to understand this
01:06:04it's so confusing to me
01:06:06he would say like
01:06:07I'm providing
01:06:08financial advice
01:06:09to the founders
01:06:10of Google
01:06:10I'm financial
01:06:12providing financial advice
01:06:14to Jeff Bezos
01:06:15I'm
01:06:16finance
01:06:16providing a natural
01:06:18financial advice
01:06:19for the chief technologist
01:06:22at Google
01:06:22wow
01:06:23I'm in good company
01:06:25because these are really
01:06:25smart guys with a lot
01:06:26of money
01:06:28and you have to
01:06:30put yourself in the
01:06:31mindset
01:06:32if you
01:06:33if my
01:06:34attorney
01:06:34said
01:06:35you know
01:06:36he was qualified to
01:06:37argue in front of the
01:06:39Supreme Court
01:06:39I'd believe him
01:06:40I didn't say
01:06:41call the Supreme Court
01:06:42and say
01:06:43tell me
01:06:44is he really an attorney
01:06:46or did he do this
01:06:47and I'd get a phone call
01:06:48from someone like
01:06:49a guy named Meyerwald
01:06:51who said he was the
01:06:52chief technology
01:06:53of Google
01:06:53you know
01:06:54Jeffrey has been helping me
01:06:55he's financial advisor
01:06:56I told Jeffrey
01:06:58I was building a boat
01:06:58he told me to call you
01:07:01I said
01:07:02I never built a boat
01:07:03but
01:07:03because I hadn't
01:07:05but if I wanted to
01:07:06build a boat
01:07:06I would go to
01:07:07Fedship
01:07:08because reputationally
01:07:09they're the best boat builders
01:07:11then
01:07:13you know
01:07:13it
01:07:14it was
01:07:16and
01:07:16that's the
01:07:17part that
01:07:18is so embarrassing
01:07:19is what a connie was
01:07:20and if you
01:07:21it
01:07:23I don't know
01:07:24if you believe
01:07:24your priest
01:07:25your minister
01:07:26your rabbi
01:07:26is what they are
01:07:27you believe them
01:07:28and people would call
01:07:29it was mostly phone calls
01:07:31that people would say
01:07:32or
01:07:33if you'd bump into something
01:07:35yeah yeah
01:07:37Jeffrey's my advisor
01:07:38or Jeffrey's talked to me
01:07:39about stuff
01:07:40Jeffrey's helped me
01:07:42with financial things
01:07:44I can't remember specifically
01:07:46but as I look back at it
01:07:48it was part of the con
01:07:49so
01:07:50I never met Meyerwald
01:07:53can I have one second
01:07:54because I think
01:07:55it will move this thing along
01:07:56a little faster
01:07:58we're going to tell the stories
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