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00:37Mr. Eberdhausen.
00:40He prefers Bear.
00:42Lucy Haynes, Bear's appropriate adult.
00:45Darrell Griffith, duty solicitor.
00:48So, Bear, I'll be sitting in in your interview today,
00:51but you're also free to arrange your own representation too.
00:54You'll be pleased to know you passed your medical assessment
00:55and I've been deemed fit enough to answer questions today.
00:57Does that sound OK?
00:58Good morning.
01:00Bear, you slept well, I hope.
01:04It was me.
01:06I did it.
01:08I killed Ray.
01:10We still need to take you through questioning to ascertain the full facts.
01:14You understand?
01:15But he's my dad and he's not well.
01:17I really need to see him and I really need to talk to him privately.
01:20About?
01:21Privately.
01:22Do you want a dictionary?
01:23We don't tolerate abuse.
01:25Abuse?
01:25My dad's the victim of actual abuse and he's still locked up in here all night without being
01:29allowed to make a phone call.
01:30Not true.
01:31He was given the opportunity to make a call, but he declined.
01:34What?
01:34He also has an appropriate adult in with him.
01:37Who?
01:37Lucy Haynes.
01:39His counsellor.
01:40Go home, Mr. Dingle.
01:41Once the DS has done interviewing him, we'll be in touch.
01:44Paddy.
01:47I heard about Bear.
01:49Yeah.
01:50They won't let me see him.
01:52Doesn't he want to call me?
01:54Let him down, haven't I?
01:58This is my fault.
02:00Let's go home.
02:01You can tell me everything there.
02:10Right.
02:10That's all the kids washing done.
02:12I'm pretty sure there's a couple of pairs of your grundies in there.
02:14Not when I really think about that.
02:16Er, did you drop the kids off with Sam and Lydia?
02:19That would be, er, after I was up at five.
02:22Yeah, clearing out the barns on my own again.
02:25What do you want?
02:26A Pride of Britain award?
02:28No, just forget it.
02:30We're all run ragged here.
02:31I've got little man Tate trying to get your mum's half of the farm off us.
02:36You know, I could just do without your mood.
02:37Do you know what I mean?
02:39Morning, old.
02:43Er, do you think I could just grab a minute with Ken?
02:46Yeah, he's all yours.
02:48Actually, you know, erm, yeah, I might not be my usual cheeky-chappy self right now,
02:53but I've got a mum in prison, and it was a year ago this week.
02:58I lost Amy.
03:00Just give me a break, yeah?
03:07Do not beat yourself up.
03:10You are going through the toughest time imaginable at the moment.
03:15Which is why I come bearing news.
03:20That'd be good.
03:25Bear confessed to killing Ray Walters yesterday.
03:29He's admitted that to the police?
03:31Apparently so.
03:33That's why Paddy didn't want me talking to him, why he was being so cagey.
03:37Do you think this could help Moira?
03:38Well, yeah, I mean, if he tells the police about the set-up on that farm, then this could get
03:43Moira off.
03:44Yeah, certainly possible.
03:46I'm going to see her later.
03:47I mean, this will give her a boost.
03:49And are you going to tell her what's going on with you?
03:52Well, she knows.
03:54The full extent of your diagnosis makes she's your wife.
03:59She needs to know.
04:01It's like watching a horror film.
04:04I know we've watched enough of them, but seeing it for real.
04:10Seeing the life being choked out of another human being.
04:16Especially of somebody you love.
04:18I'm so sorry I wasn't there.
04:20I'm glad you weren't.
04:21It's not like it is in the films.
04:26I know I hated Ray for what he did to my dad, but he didn't deserve to have his life
04:33snuffed out like that.
04:35Well, that already makes you a better human than me.
04:38I'm not.
04:39What happened next was worse, and that's on me.
04:42How is any of this on you?
04:43Because I should have just rung the police.
04:45There and then, like any other human being.
04:48But Dylan was scared that we wouldn't be believed.
04:52They'd think that we did it deliberately after what Ray had put my dad through.
04:56You can see his point.
04:57Honestly, it was genuinely an accident.
05:00My dad wasn't in his right mind.
05:03I came in the door and Ray were there.
05:06How did he get in?
05:07Why was he there, do you think?
05:09The door might have been open.
05:10I don't know.
05:11Maybe he were looking for Dylan.
05:14OK.
05:15Go on.
05:17I was upset.
05:19I don't recall about what exactly.
05:22All I remember was just grabbing hold of him to try and stop him.
05:30To stop him?
05:31What was he doing?
05:32I can't remember.
05:36I just wanted him to stop.
05:40So I was holding on to him.
05:45And then he...
05:49Then he were dead.
05:51Do you need water?
05:59I didn't mean to do it.
06:01I thought he was my friend.
06:04Why would you say that you killed him if he was your friend?
06:07Because that's what happened.
06:08But you don't know why.
06:10You think you know yourself.
06:12You think you know your limits.
06:14And you think you know your own humanity.
06:17But you don't.
06:20Not really.
06:22Not till it comes down to it.
06:24Hey.
06:27You did what you did.
06:28Out of trauma.
06:30And confusion.
06:33But mostly out of love.
06:35And if that isn't a sign of your humanity, I don't know what is.
06:46For...
06:48Just...
06:49Let me talk.
06:51For listening to me without judging.
06:55It's been...
06:57A very lonely place to be.
07:00Oh, buddy.
07:01Hey.
07:04It's been like living in hell.
07:11Ray Walters held you captive for months.
07:14It's been like you killed him.
07:18I don't know.
07:19Maybe.
07:20And just to be absolutely clear, you're saying that you were alone when you killed him.
07:25Yes.
07:27So, you acted alone and without any particular reason.
07:32There wasn't an argument or an altercation?
07:35No.
07:36He didn't attack you or threaten you?
07:39No, but it were noisy.
07:41There was one heck of a din going on.
07:43Lots of noise.
07:44Lots of shouting.
07:44Okay, so there was an altercation.
07:48What else can you tell me?
07:50I just wanted it all to end.
07:53I needed it to end.
07:54I mean, I couldn't hear.
07:58You couldn't hear?
07:59No.
08:01You just said there was shouting.
08:03Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I couldn't hear myself think because they were shouting.
08:07They?
08:09They were shouting?
08:12Didn't you just say that you were alone with Ray Walters when you killed him?
08:24Sorry.
08:29Sit down.
08:38Face on, I'd be able to get.
08:40It'll all be as hot as you.
08:43How you doing, sweetheart?
08:45Any news?
08:48First up, um...
08:52Victoria's left the village.
08:53Probably feels guilty about selling to the techs.
08:57I don't blame her for getting out.
08:59And Kim, she can smell blood from ten paces.
09:04So, no doubt she's already circling?
09:06She sent a little goblin round.
09:08Made a stupid offer for your half of the farm, but I sent him packing.
09:12My hero?
09:14Hardly.
09:16How are my boys?
09:18Kyle's quiet.
09:19It was M's anniversary this week.
09:21Oh, God.
09:22Forgotten the anniversary.
09:26Are him and Matty okay?
09:28They will be.
09:29I'm taking us all out for a chippy tea later, so...
09:32Not my sauce, Kyle.
09:33Oh, I so wish I could come.
09:36Will you tell them that I love them?
09:39And you?
09:42Are you sure there's nothing else from the hospital?
09:45You really don't need treatment or anything.
09:48It's just that almost sounds too good to be true.
10:00What are you looking at?
10:02Why are you looking at me?
10:03You've got a problem!
10:05You've got a problem with me!
10:06Do you want it now?
10:07No, no.
10:09I was definitely, definitely alone.
10:13There were no one else there.
10:14There were just me and him.
10:15But you said they were all shouting.
10:18How many times there was a slip of the tone, woman?
10:24Sorry.
10:27How did you hurt your hand?
10:29It was nothing.
10:32Okay.
10:34How did you come to have the keys of the Milligan depot van?
10:37The place where you say you left Ray's body?
10:42Doesn't Dylan Penders work at the depot?
10:46And he is currently living with your son, Paddy, and his wife, Mandy.
10:50In the same house where you say you murdered Ray Walters.
10:54Dylan weren't there when it happened.
10:56Neither were Paddy.
10:57Mandy were an island.
11:00I stole the van keys from Dylan's bedroom.
11:03You stole the keys.
11:06I'm tired now.
11:08Can I go?
11:09You're doing really well.
11:10Perhaps it's time for a break.
11:12We will be giving Mr. Howlson a break shortly.
11:14Bear.
11:16Where was Dylan Penders and your son, Paddy, at the time of the murder?
11:20I told you I don't know!
11:22Look, I've told them all that I told you.
11:24And you've shown incredible courage in doing so.
11:26Well, lock me up, then, and get on with it!
11:27I need to know who helped you.
11:30Was it Dylan?
11:32Or your son?
11:33Or was it both?
11:47Oh, smashing bit of Vicky Sponge, that.
11:49Well, you made short work of it.
11:51Yeah, I never got a look in.
11:53Piggington's.
11:55Hey, how are you doing?
11:57The news of Bear killing Ray can't have come easy to you.
11:59Yeah, well, I suppose I'm still in shock a bit, if I'm honest, Lydia.
12:03When I imagine what Bear must have been put through for him to do that.
12:06And all on our doorstep, practically.
12:08All those people's lives are destroyed.
12:11Yeah.
12:11It's truly horrific.
12:13All of it.
12:15How's Moira doing?
12:17Oh, Cain's going to see her today.
12:19And we've got the kids.
12:20They're outside playing.
12:21Kyle's quiet.
12:22He's dealing with his mum's anniversary.
12:24Oh, poor boy.
12:26And with Moira in prison and...
12:28Cain's hoping the news about Bear might help get her out, but...
12:31I can't see how.
12:32Well, let's just hope things get better.
12:34For everyone.
12:38Give it back.
12:39No, mate.
12:40I'm when there's tables waiting on service.
12:42I mean, nice phone, by the way.
12:43Yeah, hand it over.
12:44Did you not hear what I said?
12:46You know, you can sink your pox in your job.
12:48Er, Arthur.
12:49Oh, Arthur.
12:52What is the matter with him?
12:54He's been like this for weeks.
12:58I was like you.
13:00Living in this alternate universe.
13:03Village life going on outside, but inside.
13:06You didn't cover a murder up, though, did you?
13:07No, but I could have done.
13:09Because I get what it's like when you're that desperate.
13:10You'll do anything.
13:11Anything.
13:13But none of this is us, Paddy.
13:15None of this is who we are.
13:16Isn't it?
13:18After all the mess.
13:20The devastation.
13:22The upset.
13:23To realise it's all been for nothing.
13:25That the one thing I feared the most.
13:27My dad going to prison.
13:28Probably me and Dylan too.
13:30That.
13:31That's going to happen.
13:32No, no.
13:33You don't know that.
13:33Your dad will keep you out of it.
13:36He's so fragile mentally.
13:38The police will get it out of him one way or another.
13:41Right.
13:42Bear was Ray and Celia's victim, okay?
13:44The police must have some sympathy for that, surely.
13:47I mean, look at the exonerated April with the drug dealing.
13:49They didn't know how evil these people were.
13:51But a man died when his body was moved and the police need someone to pay for that.
13:57Right, yeah, listen to me, okay?
13:58Just listen.
13:58There is still a good chance the police will believe that your dad acted alone and in self-defence
14:03and they'll release him.
14:04All of this could soon be over.
14:06So let's just take it one step at a time.
14:08And hold on to hope.
14:13Yeah, her name's Angela.
14:15She's a footloop.
14:16I mean, she thinks she's top dog, but don't worry.
14:20It doesn't scare me.
14:23Are you okay?
14:28You're not.
14:29Please don't tell me.
14:31More bad news?
14:34Actually, there's potentially some good news.
14:37Really?
14:39Bear admitted to killing Ray.
14:42Handed himself in to the police yesterday.
14:45Bear killed Ray?
14:46You do realise this could change everything?
14:49How?
14:50What if he tells the police about the set-up on the farm?
14:52This could get you off.
14:54Yeah, but the bodies on the land, all those IDs, I mean, it's all pretty damning.
14:59Maybe he knows about their plot to set you up, or maybe he has some evidence.
15:04I've spoke to Tristan Lister about it and they seem hopeful.
15:07So we just have to sit tight.
15:14Hey, this is more than we had this time yesterday, isn't it?
15:16It is.
15:18And who knows?
15:20Maybe I'll be out sooner than we think.
15:23All I know is this.
15:24I killed a man.
15:25There's no one else involved.
15:26She'll just flipping charge me and get a move on.
15:28Bear.
15:29So that break?
15:30Let's change the subject for a bit.
15:32Give ourselves a breather.
15:33Then we can all take a break.
15:36Moira Dingle.
15:38How does she fit into the operations with Ray Wartles and Celia Daniels?
15:42She didn't.
15:43But you knew she had business dealings with them?
15:46No.
15:47Two bodies were found on Moira Dingle's land.
15:50Anya, Berisha, and Celia Daniels.
15:54Do you know who killed them?
15:56Anya died of an illness.
15:58Moira had no to do with it.
16:00She weren't even there.
16:01I said as much to Cain when he came round to ask me to talk to you lot about it.
16:05Er, you've spoken to Cain Dingle?
16:08He had words.
16:09To pressure you into talking to the police?
16:11Not what I said.
16:12But that's what he wanted.
16:14For you to speak up for Moira.
16:18If she was innocent, why would he do that?
16:20Because she is innocent.
16:22You're barking at the wrong bush.
16:23There's only one guilty person here.
16:25Me.
16:26Not her.
16:40Arthur?
16:41Where's my passport?
16:42What are you doing?
16:43Well, I want to go see Grandad in Australia.
16:45What?
16:46Because you had a spat with Gabby?
16:47No.
16:48It's because I don't know what's here for me anymore, Mum.
16:51I mean, all my mates have gone to uni and I'm just stuck here waiting tables.
16:54Well, I did say that I would support you if you wanted to go to uni and you said no.
16:58Well, yeah, because I don't want to end up with 50 grand worth of debt in three years' time.
17:02Yeah, I know, but still, Australia?
17:04The flights alone are outrageous.
17:07I've got money.
17:09Where from?
17:12I noticed that you had new trainers and Gabby said you got a new phone.
17:16So what's going on?
17:17You don't need to know.
17:18I'm going anywhere.
17:30What have you done?
17:32I feel so much better for seeing you.
17:35We're going to get you out of here and we're going to get the rest of your farm back.
17:38And we're going to get through this cancer of yours.
17:43He's not going to know what's hit it.
17:44Mm-mm.
17:48Right, keep holding him.
17:51Yeah, you too.
17:53Stay out of trouble.
17:54Me, me.
17:55Be of yourself.
18:00I love you.
18:05I love you too.
18:10Bye.
18:14Kian.
18:17Promise me you're definitely okay.
18:20No, I don't look okay.
18:22Well.
18:27There must be three, four grand here, Arthur.
18:31Where did you get it?
18:32Wages and tips from work.
18:34Oh, come on.
18:35People are nice, but they're not that nice.
18:36So I'm going to ask you again.
18:38Where did you get it?
18:41Arthur.
18:42All right, he was in Ray's bag with his drugs.
18:44The drugs I got rid of?
18:46Why didn't you tell me?
18:48Well, because I knew you'd get rid of them as well.
18:49Oh, my God.
18:50Just when I thought this nightmare was over.
18:52Mum, it's free money.
18:53It is not free money.
18:54It is drug money.
18:56Did you honestly think you could keep this?
18:58Don't do anything stupid.
19:00Oh, and spending money from a known criminal isn't?
19:02I mean, you brought him into this house, so if anyone's stupid, it's you.
19:06What did you say?
19:07What are you going to do, Mum?
19:08Hit me again.
19:10You know, imagine if people knew what you were really like.
19:12Get out of my sight.
19:24If Bear had said anything, you'd know about it by now.
19:26Yeah.
19:27We've not let him out yet, though, have we?
19:28Harry.
19:30Any word on your date?
19:31No, no.
19:32Thanks for letting us use your house yesterday.
19:34All right, no.
19:36I'm praying for him.
19:37And you.
19:38All of you.
19:40If you knew the truth, though, would you?
19:48That's my home.
19:52Sorry, but I can't allow you in there.
19:54It's now being searched and treated as a crime scene.
19:56Well, how long are you going to be?
19:57Not sure.
19:59But we'll gather you an overnight bag and keep you fully informed.
20:03You and Dylan can stay at us.
20:06Come on.
20:10This is it, isn't it?
20:13It's really happening.
20:15Sounds very much like Cain Dingle went out of his way to pay you that visit.
20:18Well, he lives up the road.
20:20I meant metaphorically.
20:22How did he seem?
20:24I don't know.
20:24Was he angry?
20:25I don't know.
20:27You can answer no comment.
20:29What did he want you to say?
20:31No comment.
20:32Okay.
20:33You said earlier to help clear Moira's name.
20:37Except you didn't.
20:39Why was that?
20:40Look, I told you.
20:40I don't know.
20:42Can I see me sound now?
20:44I'll stay as long as you need.
20:45Was it because Moira Dingle was involved in the killing of Ray Walters?
20:50You're just not listening.
20:51I've listened to a lot today.
20:53You say you killed Ray Walters, which is possible.
20:56But you haven't given a reason.
20:57And considering your physical condition, it's highly unlikely that you could have moved a body on your own.
21:03So I'm left wondering who helped you.
21:07You say it wasn't Dylan Penders or your son, Paddy Dingle.
21:10Was it Moira Dingle?
21:13We know that you were helped.
21:18I want to see my son.
21:23We'll talk more tomorrow.
21:26Interview suspended at 15.15.
21:35We will get to the truth of this, Bear.
21:37So it is in your interest to cooperate.
21:39We will get to the truth of this, Bear.
21:54We will be in your interest today.
21:54We will talk later.
21:54Bye-bye.
21:54Bye-bye.
21:54Bye-bye.
21:55Bye-bye.
21:56Bye-bye.
21:56Bye-bye.
21:58Bye-bye.
22:01Bye-bye.
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