Ki dönti el, hogy ki tartozik Európába? A migrációs vita visszatér

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Ki dönti el, hogy ki tartozik Európába? A migrációs vita visszatér  A Ring e heti epizódjában Juan Fernando López Aguilar (S&D) és Tomas Tobé (EPP) európai parlamenti képviselők mély vitát folytatnak arról, hogyan kellene Európának kezelnie a migrációt - a "biztonságos harmadik ország" koncepciójától Spanyolország nagyszabású legalizálási tervéig.  BŐVEBBEN : http://hu.euronews.com/2026/02/13/ki-donti-el-hogy-ki-tartozik-europaba-a-migracios-vita-visszater  Iratkozzon fel: Az Euronews elérhető 12 nyelven

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00:08Hello and welcome to The Ring, Euronews' debate show from the European Parliament in Strasbourg,

00:15where elected members of the European Parliament go head-to-head on the most pressing issues for Europe.

00:22And this week we talk about migration. Our executive producer, Luis Albertos, has more.

00:29Immigration is back on the European political agenda.

00:32The European Parliament debated applying the safe third country concept.

00:36In practice, this means designating certain states as capable of offering adequate protection,

00:42allowing European authorities to declare some claims inadmissible or unlikely to succeed.

00:47Supporters see speed and consistency.

00:49Critics warn that responsibility for protection may be quietly shifted beyond Europe's borders.

00:54At the same time, Spain approved a plan to grant legal status to thousands of migrants.

00:59This large-scale regularization policy raises another question.

01:04Beyond labor shortages and demographic decline, is Europe willing to offer refuge to people whose lives are threatened?

01:10Beyond the legal language lies a deeper reality.

01:13Around the world, from political chambers to cultural stages, like Bad Bunny's Super Bowl performance,

01:18celebrating Latin identity on one of America's biggest events,

01:21migration is not just a policy issue.

01:24It is part of how societies evolve, work, and redefine themselves.

01:28So the debate is not only about lists and procedures.

01:30It is about who belongs, who decides, and whether Europe can reconcile national choices

01:35with collective responsibility on one of its most defining questions.

01:40And that's indeed the question for our contenders.

01:43Let's meet them.

01:46Juan Fernando López Aguilar, a Spanish MEP from the Socialists and Democrats Group.

01:51He chairs the Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice, and Home Affairs,

01:55and is one of the European Parliament's most influential figures on migration and asylum policy.

02:00Before being an MEP, he served as Spain's Minister of Justice.

02:04López Aguilar has consistently stressed the need to balance effective migration management

02:09with respect for international law and fundamental rights.

02:12Policies that legalize and integrate people already living and contributing in our societies

02:17are part of a mature and humane approach to migration, he said.

02:22Thomas Tobe, a Swedish MEP and vice chair of the Central Right European People's Party.

02:28Like López Aguilar, he serves on the Committee of Civil Liberties, Justice, and Home Affairs,

02:32and has consistently emphasized the need to strengthen Europe's asylum system

02:36through efficient border management and cooperation with third countries.

02:40We are taking decisive steps to guarantee effective control over migration

02:44and speed up the return of illegal migrants.

02:46By clearly distinguishing between those in need of international protection

02:50and those who are not, we are reducing pressure at our borders, he said.

02:55Juan Fernando López Aguilar and Thomas Tobe,

02:58thank you so much for joining us on The Ring.

03:01As you know, the goal and really the essence of the show is to bring our viewers a real taste

03:06of the parliamentary debates that go on both in Strasbourg and Brussels.

03:11The topic is migration.

03:12And my first question, is migration an opportunity or has it become a problem?

03:18Both.

03:18But as for me, it's certainly an opportunity.

03:21It's only obvious that migration happens to be the most divisive issue in the European agenda.

03:26It's polarizing in geographic terms.

03:30It's not the same, the perception in the north, in the Baltics, that it is in the south.

03:34I come from the Canary Islands.

03:36I know what I'm talking of.

03:37It's ideologically divisive.

03:39It's not the same, the approach of the reactionary nationalism

03:43to the approach of the progressive responsibility,

03:48shared responsibility and humanitarian approach to migration.

03:51Same question to you.

03:52Of course, Europe needs work migration.

03:55That is not the problem.

03:57The problem we have is that we have a large number of illegal migration.

04:01And only one out of five who don't have the right to stay in Europe actually returns.

04:07And of course, we need to shift this.

04:10We need to have control of our borders.

04:12People who don't have the right to be in Europe should not be in Europe.

04:15And then, of course, we should have legal work migration.

04:18But what we're seeing now, for example, in Spain,

04:22they are now giving amnesty to 500,000 illegal migrants.

04:27This is a direct threat to the Schengen area.

04:30It undermines the Europe effort.

04:33We are trying to work now to have a more of a common European migration policy.

04:38And I think it's time for us to actually decide, do we want to have control of the border?

04:44Do we want to have legal work migration?

04:47Or should we continue this path in Europe with illegal migration?

04:50It needs to stop.

04:51I strongly disagree with what I just heard from my colleague and friend, Thomas Tobey.

04:56First, there's no illegal people.

04:58We used to talk about irregular migrants.

05:00It's not an amnesty.

05:01He used the word amnesty.

05:02Of course it is not.

05:03It's a regularization which belongs to the competence of the member states.

05:07And it's been recognized by the European Commission itself.

05:11Second, it is not true that they're illegal.

05:15We always had a problem in the European Union with lack of legal pathways.

05:20That's one thing.

05:21We need more legal pathways.

05:23But when people come irregularly, it's because they are not given the chance to make it regularly.

05:27But insofar as they happen to already be in Spain, working in Spain, we are regulating not only human beings,

05:35but also jobs.

05:37And we're making it possible for those human beings employed in the irregular economy, in the so-called black market,

05:46as for now, to make it regularly so that they can actually pay taxes.

05:49They can actually contribute to the sustainability of the social services, in which it is a fact that they support

05:57more, they give more than they receive.

05:59It is not true that they are predatory to social services.

06:03On the contrary, they can actually contribute to the sustainability of the social services.

06:08And I make a final point.

06:09Spain is number one in growth and job creation in the European Union.

06:13And there is no economic analysis that does not underline the fact that it's largely due, because it's alternative approach,

06:22positive approach, to migration, incorporating, inclusive, integrating migrants instead of rejecting migrants.

06:28Of course, if you take a decision that to say 500,000 people, we're not talking of a small group

06:36here, and you're basically handing out documents.

06:38That means that the next day, they could travel to Sweden, they could travel to Germany.

06:44You don't even check if they have a criminal history.

06:47And, of course, a large number of these people in Spain are people who just want to work, to want

06:52to contribute to the society.

06:54But this is a decision that will have serious consequences, because both me, Juan Fernando López Aguilar, and me, we

07:01worked together during the last mandate with the Migration Pact.

07:04We tried to work together.

07:05And, for example, we are saying we need to help Spain, because many times Spain is under migratory pressure.

07:12The problem is now, you're saying you need help with migratory pressure in Spain, and at the same time, you

07:19make this decision to give amnesty to 500,000 irregular migrants.

07:24It doesn't add up.

07:26You should know better.

07:26However, the decision being made by the Spanish government has been actually explained by the prime minister himself in an

07:32article published in New York Times.

07:34He doesn't even care about the Spanish parliament, he doesn't even care about the commissioners.

07:39It's not an amnesty.

07:40It's a regularization.

07:41Second, it is not true that they will be free to circulate in all of the Schengen area, because they

07:47will be given the chance to actually regularize their job, because they are actually employed in Spain, only in the

07:53black market, for one year.

07:55Just for one year of residence.

07:56It doesn't mean that they will circulate freely, because they are bound to the job market in Spain and to

08:02the residents in Spain.

08:03So, we are given the chance to those many people.

08:06But it is a fact that Spain is a large country, larger than Sweden to begin with.

08:11It's 50 million people, Spain.

08:13So, 500,000 immigrants, which are already in the job market, which are already working in Spain, they are given

08:20the chance to make it dignified, to have dignity, to have a regular situation, and to actually contribute with the

08:26taxes.

08:26This is a reflection of reality.

08:28He says this is a reflection of reality.

08:31It is not true that they are going to invade the rest of the Schengen area, because they are bound

08:35to the job market in Spain and the residents of Spain.

08:36I'm not talking about invading.

08:38I'm talking about that we need to have, we have to choose a path.

08:41Some use the word invasion.

08:42Is that too much?

08:43No, I mean, I don't think we should use those kind of words.

08:46But, I mean, we need to make a decision.

08:49Do we want to have control of our immigration policy or not?

08:52And I would say, if we have people coming to Europe, we reject their asylum request, they come irregular,

08:58then you should not be in Europe.

09:00You cannot have it both ways.

09:02We have people who have come, and they do have the right to be in Europe, we say yes.

09:06But for those who get a no decision, you actually need to return.

09:10Now you're basically saying, well, if you come, if you live in the shadows, if you somehow make sure that

09:16you stay in Europe, you will get this chance.

09:18What you're saying now is basically, and this is also very, it's a difference, you know, in approach, if we

09:25compare it to Greece, if we compare it to Italy.

09:28They are trying to handle a situation.

09:31Spain is now going on a rogue way in Europe, and this is actually very dangerous.

09:35You say it's a political decision.

09:36We've got to move on to our next round.

09:38I see you're all warmed up already.

09:43So now this is the moment for you to ask each other questions directly.

09:48So since I cut you off, Mr. Toby, let me give you the floor in the first place.

09:52Juan Fernando López Aguilar, we worked together on the migration pact, the last mandate.

09:57I think we actually achieved some very important things together for Europe.

10:02But you also know that we need to tackle returns.

10:07One out of five people are actually returned, and this cannot continue.

10:12Now, Commission is presenting proposals supported by several S&D governments across Europe.

10:18But now the S&D group and the European Parliament are voting no to every proposal.

10:24That means that we actually could be more efficient with returns.

10:28When will you face the reality?

10:30Yes, we work together in the migration and asylum pact, eight regulations, but it's not complete.

10:35It takes a lot of coordination in search and rescue operation at a European scale.

10:39It takes a lot of legal pathways.

10:41It takes a lot of cracking down on the business model of organized crime, dealing with trafficking of human beings.

10:48But yes, we have to come up with a European scale of response when it comes to migration and asylum

10:53and returns.

10:55It's part of the equation.

10:56We don't deny that, but we want returns to be negotiated with dignity, with third parties, with third parties, countries

11:04of transit and origin.

11:06And it takes a diplomatic architecture which is lacking.

11:08You cannot impose returns, and you cannot ignore that you cannot return people to places they don't belong to.

11:16And that is why we object the proposal by the Commission, because it escapes the meaningful link between the country

11:25of transit or origin and the human being which is supposedly to be returned there.

11:30I have heard, because I have been the representative of the European Parliament in the Council of Ministers of Interior

11:36many times, fly them to Rwanda.

11:38And my question is, why Rwanda?

11:39Do you think because they're just indistinct in Rwanda because they're black, even though they don't belong to Rwanda?

11:46Even though they come from Mali or from Sudan or from Uganda?

11:51No, it doesn't make sense.

11:52You need meaningful links.

11:54And for that, it takes a negotiation with third parties.

11:57It doesn't suffice that you simply pay some ruler, some money, to keep them out of our sight.

12:03So you say, why continue the Rwanda model?

12:05We're not talking about Rwanda here.

12:07It's about saying, we have candidate countries to Europe.

12:12Could we consider them safe countries?

12:14So they go up to Albania?

12:15It could be.

12:17We're talking about, for example, India.

12:21We have a, I mean, look at the assignment request, unfolded assignment request.

12:26There are under 5% that actually get a yes to come to Europe.

12:30And everything will be assessed individually.

12:33But what we need to do, we cannot continue in this way, where we have a lot of unfounded

12:38assignment requests coming to Europe, and then it takes a long time, and basically it

12:43means that you never leave.

12:44We cannot continue in this way.

12:46But just to be precise on this point for our viewers, when you mentioned Albania, the

12:49Italian government ran into major issues with the judiciary over sending migrants arriving

12:54in Italy to Albania.

12:55So it's not crystal clear this is going to work.

12:57No, no, no.

12:58But Albania is another topic.

13:00It's between, it's a deal that has been done by the Italian and the Albanian.

13:06That is a deal that they've done.

13:07But if they had issues, what makes you think that the EU would not run into issues in other

13:11candidate countries?

13:12Well, this has, this proposal has been now assessed by all the EU authorities.

13:19UNHCR, and of course we have the right to return people if they are not in any risk of persecution

13:26and so on.

13:27We, S&D, we don't deny the importance of returns.

13:30Actually, we have heard about just ministers of interior, which are actually concerned about

13:35returns.

13:36But why the percentage of returnees is so low?

13:40Because we don't have an architecture of agreements with third parties of transit and

13:45origin, and then there comes the commission saying, we're going to enlarge the list arbitrarily,

13:52the list of safe third countries, including Bangladesh and Egypt, for instance, which

13:57are not considered safe countries of transit or origin by the European Asylum Agency.

14:03That is why we have objected.

14:05We have tried to come up with amendments.

14:07And the conservative party, the People's Party, the EPP, along with the far right, have

14:13denied all of our amendments, saying that they are red lines for them.

14:17So what is the question?

14:19My question is, do you really think that you can actually export people to some third country

14:25with no meaningful links with those particular human beings, just for the sake that you're

14:29paying some money to some ruler to keep them out of our sight?

14:32Do you think you can send someone which is actually from Sudan to Egypt, or do you think

14:38you can send someone which is actually from Uganda to Libya or to Tunisia, just for the

14:45sake of having them out of our sight?

14:47Do you think that we can actually ignore the meaningful links which include culture, linguistic,

14:52or even family links, which are to be considered seriously by countries which are to return human

14:58beings to some other place?

15:00If the Socialist and European Parliament would decide there are no safe countries outside

15:05of Europe, I mean, I hear that.

15:07When we started the negotiations about the countries, there's no country that you can

15:12accept.

15:13If you come to Europe, of course, we need to assess where you come from.

15:17Of course, we will always do that.

15:18But of course, there are countries.

15:20When a person comes to Europe, we can look from which country have you been.

15:24Could you be safe in this country or not?

15:26That is the question.

15:27And of course, this is now portrayed as some kind of delusional far-right policy.

15:35This is a policy coming from Commission.

15:37This is a policy coming from S&D governments all across Europe.

15:41Because we cannot continue in this way where we have only one out of five people returning

15:46in Europe, then it means that even the people that need protection in Europe will not get

15:52the protection in Europe.

15:53We have to change the policy.

15:55We are going to continue.

15:56It takes agreements.

15:57It takes agreements, of course.

15:58And that's the point of the show, too, at times.

16:00Let's try to bring in a new voice into this debate.

16:03We've heard from the two.

16:04Let's bring in a new one.

16:08And of course, the voice that I'm referring to is the man who handles this file, Commissioner

16:13Magnus Bruner, who did say on the record, member states need to ensure that these decisions

16:18do not put at risk the integrity of the EU area, the common area, without internal controls,

16:25and to duly consider potential migratory and security implications.

16:29What is your reaction to these words?

16:31He's obviously not happy with this decision.

16:33He's saying it should have, at the very least, been done in consultation with the rest of

16:37the EU.

16:38I stated it clear because I was part of the debate just yesterday.

16:42Let's be blunt and clear about it.

16:45The Spanish government is a progressive government in a European Union, which is leaning right

16:50to far right more than ever before.

16:53But, sir, that's not the point of the commissioner.

16:55He's simply saying do it in consultation.

16:57Spain is being attacked precisely because there is a progressive government, which is meaning

17:01an alternative to the prevalent, to the predominant look to migration and asylum, which is negative

17:07and rejection.

17:09And it's doomed to fall, to fail.

17:12The point that Spain is making is that there is another way, integration, inclusion, and respect

17:19to the dignity of the jobs that are actually being implemented in Spain as a factor for the Spanish

17:28growth and job creation.

17:29Meaning that Spain has the competence, which has been recognized by the commission, to take

17:35a decision of regularizing people who are already living and working in Spain to give them a chance

17:42of opportunity to have a dignity, which is an alternative to fear, to fear-mongering, to exploiting

17:50fear against migrants.

17:52There is a bit of distrust.

17:54I mean, if Spain wants to have high migration, let's say that you decide that you want to have

18:00even higher migration to Spain.

18:01It's up to the Spanish government, for sure.

18:04But the problem with this decision is that you're sending the signal, come irregular to Spain or Europe,

18:11and then we will give you an amnesty.

18:13That is, I think, the problem that Spain will face now.

18:16You can say the word amnesty.

18:18The Spanish government says it's not an amnesty because they haven't committed.

18:20Well, of course it is.

18:22It's an amnesty.

18:22Why?

18:23Because this is 500,000 people who have come irregular.

18:27It is a decision taken by the prime minister.

18:31He doesn't even consult his own parliament.

18:33He doesn't even speak to the other European countries.

18:36This is a decision which I personally believe is more about the political fight in Spain.

18:42And it's a power grab.

18:44He needs to do this to his coalition partners in Spain.

18:47It's not about solidarity for these people at all.

18:49The Spanish government says they are not criminals.

18:51So it's not an amnesty.

18:53Of course, most of these people are not criminals.

18:58Let's be serious about this.

19:00But he won't even check if they have a criminal history.

19:04He just wants to hand out the documents.

19:06And this is very serious.

19:07What about the background checks?

19:08That's a fair point.

19:09If you're going to give out papers to live or work in a country, you need to know who they

19:13are.

19:13There is going to be a scrutiny and a control by the Ministry of Interior that there are no criminal

19:17record.

19:17How many people that can be done in a year?

19:19There is no police record.

19:20No one would qualify for the regularization.

19:23It's just criminal record or police record.

19:25So they have to be absolutely clean.

19:27And they already have to be in Spain and working in Spain.

19:28So you said have a million people will not have any criminal records.

19:31You can guarantee that that will not be the case.

19:33Of course.

19:33That is the role of the Ministry of Interior.

19:35And that is a condition for the regularization.

19:37That is a legal constitution.

19:38That is legal certainty.

19:40There has to be a time frame.

19:41There is no pull effect.

19:42Let's go now.

19:43Very short break.

19:45Of course, the topic clearly is heated.

19:47But stay with us here on The Ring.

19:49We'll be right back with more.

19:59Welcome back to The Ring, Euronews' new weekly show.

20:03I'm joined by MEPs Juan Fernando López Aguilar and Thomas Tobey.

20:07And the idea, this is really the essence of the show, is to bring you a taste of the European

20:12Parliament's

20:12debates to your home and your sofa, if that's also possible.

20:17And this week, our guests are sharing their views on migration.

20:20And according to data from the European Parliament and the European Commission in 2024,

20:27about 997,000 asylum applications were recorded.

20:32That is a 13% drop compared to 2023.

20:35And in March alone, in 2025, around 58,000 first-time asylum applicants lodged claims.

20:43Both the number of arrivals and the asylum requests have dropped significantly.

20:48So the progressive aisle in the European Parliament argues is that, to some extent,

20:53the right has created a monster that doesn't really exist, were reflected in the numbers.

20:59Is that a fair point?

21:00No, I don't think so.

21:01What we're trying to do is to restore control of migration in Europe.

21:07I think we need to make a difference if you have the right to stay in Europe or you don't

21:11have the right to stay in Europe.

21:13And of course, we need to have legal pathways.

21:16We need to have work migration to Europe.

21:18But we cannot continue in this way, that the main idea for Europe is to have irregular migration to Europe.

21:25But who's saying they want irregular migrants in Europe?

21:30Who's saying that?

21:31Well, that is basically what the progressive in Parliament is saying.

21:34Because they don't want to have proposals to actually have people returned.

21:39And the people that have come irregular, they want to give amnesty.

21:43It's a policy that basically says, well, if you need asylum in Europe, come and we will grant it to

21:49you.

21:49If we can't grant you the asylum, well, we will fix another way for you to be in Europe anyway.

21:54It takes legal pathways to have regular migrations.

21:56But he says you're allowing legal migration.

21:58There is lack of legal pathways.

21:59We need to build more on that.

22:00But let me tell you something.

22:01I'm well aware, because I've been here some years, that there is a mantra by the right,

22:06which is increasingly endorsed by the conventional conservatives, by the far right,

22:12which is that we are subject to some kind of an invasion, that migration is out of control,

22:17that we are going to even be replaced, that the originary toxinous population of the European Union,

22:25white and Christian, will be overnight replaced, they say, by black people and Muslim.

22:31That is complete bullshit.

22:33It's not happening.

22:35The numbers are manageable insofar as we do it not leaning on hysteria or panic,

22:41but making the point, sticking to our values and legislative law.

22:46If we do it together, according to EU laws, we can do it.

22:49We are 450 million citizens, 27 member states among them, one of the most prosperous countries in the world.

22:57We have welfare, we have opportunity, we have an economy that can actually incorporate migrants.

23:04Actually, we need them, because it's good for demography, it's good for an economy, it's good for a prosperity.

23:11We can make it right if we do it according to laws.

23:14That is something we can certainly agree, Thomas and I.

23:17But what I see across Europe are even, I mean, conservative governments,

23:23governments, even S&D governments, realizing that Europe needs a shift in migration policy.

23:29We need control of the borders, we need to have a big difference.

23:33If you have the right to stay in Europe, yes, you're welcome.

23:36If you don't have the right, you need to be returned.

23:39And, of course, then you can say that we need work migration, for sure.

23:43We have some shortages that we need, of course, people to come and work in Europe.

23:46But the problem is that we continue in this way to have irregular migrants come.

23:50And that is the big numbers.

23:53Of course, there will be constraints in the society.

23:56The migration policy doesn't work.

23:58Member states don't trust each other.

24:00And finally, now we are building up trust for a European migration policy.

24:05Then we see, in a way, Spain becoming kind of the black sheep.

24:09Now, when it comes to migration policy.

24:10But if you say it's political, what's the political advantage?

24:12You say Europeans don't want to see a regular migration.

24:14This is something they no longer want to tolerate, and there's consensus on this.

24:18What's, therefore, the political calculus of the Spanish government?

24:21I think it's very much a domestic issue.

24:23This is a government that has a very special coalition agreement with some left parties.

24:29Even left parties that actually are having these crazy theories that they want to legalize some of these irregular migrants

24:36because they want votes.

24:38I mean, it's crazy thinking, you know.

24:40But I wouldn't accuse Juan Fernández López Aguilar of that.

24:43I do hope in his heart, okay, he can see some people that actually are contributing to Spanish society and

24:49want to give them a break.

24:51Sure.

24:51But I think he's wrong.

24:52I think those people should come the legal way to Europe.

24:55Spain is a progressive government, a coalition government.

24:57Even a minority government's got nothing to do with the fact that Spain is under attack precisely because it's opposing

25:03an alternative to that predominant negative outlook, to a more positive approach.

25:08But his criticism is this is a decision to keep the coalition together.

25:11It's not really in line with what the people want from their government.

25:15And the results in regional elections for Spain were not good.

25:17So maybe there's a disconnect between public perception and government action.

25:21The organization process that has been decided by the government has had the endorsement of the Catholic Church, of the

25:28entrepreneurs, of the business, of the corporates, because it's good for the job market.

25:33It's good for the economy.

25:34Actually, I insist that there is no economic analysis in Spain, even worldwide, in international press, that does not shed

25:43light on the fact that one of the factors of Spanish being number one in economy, growth and job creation

25:49is precisely.

25:50It's positive look towards migration.

25:52We need to now move on into our next and final session.

25:57This one will be different.

25:58It's shorter.

25:59So I hope that you're ready.

26:04I'm going to ask a set of questions and you can only answer with a yes or no response.

26:11Would you say now the European Union border controls are being effectively implemented or extra measures now still needed to

26:18continue that path?

26:19It's sufficiently controlled?

26:20Yes.

26:21Border source is sufficiently controlled?

26:22No need for extra measures?

26:24We need to do more.

26:26Does Europe need fewer but more clear rules?

26:29The short answer is yes.

26:31But still, I must add that clear rules does not mean lower rules.

26:37We need a clear policy.

26:38If you have the right to stay in Europe, yes.

26:40If you don't have, no.

26:42And then you will be returned.

26:43And now my final question, which is always the hardest and the most difficult.

26:46Did your opponent, in this case, of course you had very different views, did they change in any way, however,

26:52your perception of this debate?

26:53But of course, the European Parliament is all about a humbling lesson.

26:57No one, no one has every reasoning on its own, on his, on her own.

27:03It always takes compromising.

27:04So you change your views in some way?

27:06And of course, I have reached compromises with Thomas and with EPP many times throughout the years I've been here.

27:11And I keep on doing it.

27:12He has historically, perhaps not in the debate today, but I do appreciate that he says that Spain, at least

27:20now, seems to be open to also check the criminal background of the people that they want to give the

27:26amnesty to now.

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