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This panel brings together watch collectors, designers, and industry insiders to explore the cultural significance of timepieces—from luxury investments to personal storytelling and generational heirlooms.
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00:00We've got a special guest for you today.
00:02We have the one and only actor and host, Terrence J.
00:15My guy, welcome.
00:17Thank you so much for having me, Essence, what's up?
00:19How y'all feeling?
00:20Good.
00:22So we're going to talk today about timepieces and legacy,
00:24the influence of watches and culture.
00:26But before we get into that, Terrence, on our show,
00:29wrist check pod, we have a tradition.
00:32Okay.
00:33And that tradition is called the honorary wrist check.
00:35The honorary wrist check, okay.
00:38And so what we do is we share what we're wearing on the wrist,
00:41and we kind of explain why we chose it
00:43and maybe the relevance it has today.
00:45We always kick it off with my man in the center here
00:48who never repeats a watch.
00:49Mr. Rashawn Smith, what do you got on the wrist, sir?
00:51Okay, so today I had to bring a very special timepiece.
00:55This one here is the Rolex Cellini.
00:58Danos.
00:59It is a traditional dress watch.
01:03So two-hander solid gold on a custom red lizard strap.
01:09Wow.
01:10It's got the Rolex clasp and a little bit of extra sauce on the back.
01:14My date when I got married back in 2023.
01:19Wow.
01:20What a story.
01:22Beautiful piece.
01:23Beautiful timepiece, my man.
01:24I'll go next.
01:25We'll save the guest of honor for last.
01:26I'm wearing a Cartier Tank Louis rose gold anthracite dial with a little bit of blue on a blue gator strap.
01:36I was thinking this morning.
01:37I was like, man, what does the Essence man wear?
01:40Right?
01:41And I wanted to go with some of those little refined, little classy.
01:43And I was like, Cartier will do the trick.
01:45Terrence, what do you got on the wrist?
01:47Datejust, the Rolex, gold and silver.
01:53You know, I picked this piece today because I knew I was going to be out moving around.
01:57Didn't want to do something too flashy, but wanted it to be nice and classy.
02:01I love coming to Essence Fest.
02:03I love being able to mix it up with the people and walk through.
02:06So I wanted to have something that's beautiful, but also conservative.
02:10And it kind of goes with everything.
02:11So definitely one of my go-tos on the wrist.
02:14It's a classic piece, man.
02:15You can never go wrong with a Rolex Datejust.
02:17Yup.
02:19So 10 to 15 years ago, the watch scene felt a little closed off.
02:25Now it's showing up in hip hop.
02:27You see creators on TikTok, social media, Fashion Week, and a lot younger collectors.
02:34I'm curious on your thoughts if the industry is finally starting to reflect who's really moving the culture.
02:40Yeah, it's so funny you say that.
02:42We've really seen, over the last decade especially, watch cultures and watches really blow up and become a staple.
02:51This year we're celebrating the 25 year anniversary of 106 and Park.
02:55Oh, that's right.
02:56Yeah, so we've been really excited about that.
02:58But as I've been seeing older photos of the show, and 15 years ago, I mean, people were coming on with just bubblegum watches.
03:07Like, it wasn't even, you know, the artist didn't really, it wasn't something that really resonated with us and our culture like that.
03:14Over the last decade, you've just seen the, it explode.
03:19You've seen so much focus on, you know, Patex and APs and, you know, just so many different beautiful watches.
03:26It's just kind of become more of a piece of our culture that everybody's really paying attention to.
03:32Yeah.
03:33And Terrence, I want to ask, since watches has now become the forefront in terms of how you're expressing yourself,
03:41is there a go-to piece that you like to wear that kind of makes you feel, you know, very, very special?
03:50Yeah, I have a gold, what is it, 41 millimeter, so it was the older model, presidential Rolex, which is like my go-to like every day when I'm doing gold.
04:05I got a Cartier, I got a Cartier bust now that I just love.
04:09I saw that.
04:10Yeah.
04:11I love that when I want to do, when I'm going out at night.
04:15And then I got just some other, you know, classic time pieces, but those are probably my favorite go-to's.
04:20Let's take it back real quick.
04:22You know, do you remember the first time you saw someone rock a watch and you thought, man, that's a, that's a power move.
04:29That's a serious statement piece right there.
04:31Like it meant something more to you than just telling time.
04:34Yeah.
04:35I remember when, when Jay-Z started wearing Hublots.
04:38Oh yeah.
04:39Oh yeah.
04:40And he mentioned it in the song and really started like bringing it out.
04:43And I, I had seen him at the 40, 40 had one on his wrist.
04:46I was like, Oh wow.
04:47And that was really like a pivotal moment for me to be like, wow, I really need to start paying more attention to watches.
04:54And I remember like Jacob and Cole, when they were really starting to blow up, their watches were all over New York City.
05:02People really paid attention.
05:04But now over the past couple of years, you know, you see the Richard Milley's, you see like, there's just so many different fly watches.
05:11Yeah.
05:12And Noriega is a huge, huge watch guy.
05:16Big collector.
05:17And so he's always like texting.
05:18He's like, you need to get into more watch.
05:20I'll put you on the list of protect.
05:22I'll put you on the list.
05:23So I love just watching him and watching his watches.
05:26Cause they're definitely an investment piece as well.
05:28And I'll be getting more and more into it.
05:30Yeah.
05:31So I also have to ask, do you have any friend groups where you guys collect watches together or do you have any enablers or are you the enabler?
05:41Yeah.
05:42I would say like Norie is like the most watch heavy watch centric guy in my, in my phone right now.
05:49So he's always talking about great watch time pieces.
05:52You know, it's a lot of the guys I know just have pieces that they've worn for years and they add in one or two.
05:59But now I think more and more people are looking at it as an investment.
06:02So I'm starting to see more of my friends jump into watches.
06:05You mentioned Jay Z and Noriega.
06:07You've been at the center of music, fashion and film for a while now.
06:11How do you think pop culture, especially in hip hop, has sort of shaped the way people see luxury time pieces today?
06:17Yeah.
06:18Yeah.
06:19You know, I think music, culture, entertainment, all of that is very inspirational when it comes to time pieces.
06:26And I think all parts of fashion from shades to shoes, like when you see it on your favorite artists, when you see it in your favorite movie, it inspires you to want to do it as well.
06:36So I think, I think the two go hand in hand and always compliment each other.
06:41Do you think watches are sort of becoming like sneakers in a way for some people?
06:45Absolutely.
06:46I mean, I think if you can afford it, I absolutely think it.
06:49You know, sneakers obviously is a touch point that everybody can afford.
06:53I think watches is a beautiful thing for people to look at as an investment for yourself.
06:59I mean, look, you can't take the money with you.
07:01So to have something beautiful on your wrist, you know, I think it's something that everybody is enjoying right now.
07:06Sure.
07:07And so I want to ask, what is what has been your early experiences in watch collecting?
07:16Can you recall a time where, you know, you felt like time pieces was something that spiked your interest or was it something that just fell into your lap?
07:26You know, it's funny you ask. So growing up, I grew up really poor, so I didn't really have a bunch of people in my life to explain what the culture was.
07:37But I do remember, you know, as a child, you know, nine, ten years old, I remember being on a train and just seeing like a businessman with like a crazy looking watch.
07:47And I remember thinking to myself, wow, that's really shiny. That's really something to inspire and look up to.
07:52And I just remember always just having watches in my head as something that I wanted to get more into when I had the resources to do it.
07:59You speak about resources. I know you have a new podcast called Money Talks where you're talking with business professionals and entrepreneurs.
08:06I'm curious what your perspective is on sort of investing in watches.
08:11Do you see it as an investment? Are there some gray areas there? What's your take?
08:15Absolutely. Right now, I'm just at a place in my life where it's all about, you know, assets and not liabilities,
08:20where it's about making sure you're making proper investments.
08:24Watches are a very interesting thing because when you put money in the bank, obviously there's a certain amount of appreciation.
08:31A lot of times people are afraid of the stock market, so you have to ease your way into that.
08:36Real estate is always a great investment. But when you look at watches as an investment and you invest in the right timepieces,
08:44they can really appreciate and value.
08:47I had a watch that was stolen. I remember it was a Rolex. I believe I had purchased it for maybe $30,000, right?
08:57Which at the time, it was a very big investment. The watch got stolen. I had insurance on the watch and made the file to the insurance company.
09:07They gave me the $30,000 back for the watch that I had. When I went to rebuy the watch, this was probably 10 years later, the price on the same watch I had doubled.
09:20Wow. So that same watch that was $30,000, you could only buy it for $60,000. I couldn't even afford off of the insurance to reclaim my watch.
09:30That was the first time I really realized, oh wow, the appreciation on this was even better than putting it in the bank.
09:38And it's something that you can have on your wrist and it's something that you can enjoy on a daily basis.
09:44So I think, again, everybody has to look at their finances and everybody has to make the right financial decisions for them.
09:51But I do not write off people that say they're buying watches as an investment because the appreciation on the right timepieces can definitely be exponential.
10:02No, that's an excellent point because, you know, we know from some of our friends and we've had Nori on the show, he is a big collector, that if you're buying the right pieces, right, it is an investment.
10:13If you have access to the particular items, you know, and even now with insurance, many insurance companies are paying out not only what the watch costs, but they're paying the appreciation value too.
10:26So in today's market, you get a watch stolen, you actually might make some money.
10:30Yeah, very, very much so.
10:33And I want to ask, are there any watch brands that stand out to you outside of the usual suspects, the Rolex, the AP, Patek Philippe?
10:44Yeah. What is it? Journey F?
10:47Oh, FP Join.
10:48Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's a, they have a store right by my house.
10:53And there's a wine shop next to it that I go to get wine from and they have like little wine hours.
10:59And I'm always just why it's, it's kind of like a, like, it's a very exclusive club.
11:04And so that they put me on the list. So I'm going to buy, I'm going to get one because I'm like, whatever's going on, it's like a, it's like a secret, a secret site.
11:12Yeah, yeah. So it's just good for networking. Good to have those conversations. So that's definitely the next watch on my list.
11:18I'm curious what, what your thoughts are on the process, right? The process of like, I don't know if a lot of people know that you can't just walk into a store and buy some of these watches.
11:26Yeah, a lot of these watches are, are invite only. You know, I have mixed feelings on that. I, I, exclusivity is, is, is cool to a certain extent. For a lot of us black and brown people, it's hard to get on those invite lists.
11:42So for me, all the things I've tried to do in my career is, is breaking down doors, opening up opportunities for others and, and enlightening people on things that they might not have known about.
11:53So that's why I love the, you know, the fact that I'm able to do this podcast with you guys. You guys are doing amazing work, exposing people to, to watches.
12:01I think for us as a part of the culture, we, we shouldn't be able to have any doors that are closed to us. So whether it's the golf course, whether it's the racetrack or whether it's the watch world, I think opening and exposing us to everything is, is very important.
12:15So while it's cool to have those doors closed, I just think that it's, it's, it's, it's great that we're talking about it and exposing people to it.
12:22Yeah. Yeah. I have to agree. This conversation is very powerful as we are exposing people to kind of art, artisanal design and opening the doors for people to build another asset class.
12:38Um, when you speak of investing in watches, uh, for some people, it may sound outrageous, but when you get into the hobby and you understand that there is a community involved, uh, you know, you start to love it.
12:53So speaking of community, uh, do you have a community or have you built a community of friends to collect watches?
13:01I don't have a watch a community, but I'm, you know, I'm exploring it and getting more into it, uh, by the day for sure.
13:08Sure. You, you made mention of, you know, uh, being in a place where you could finally afford these things.
13:14I want to talk about what the experience is like when you purchase your first luxury timepiece.
13:19I think for many of us, especially black men, you know, we do love to adorn ourselves with the efforts, the fruits of our labor, our hard work.
13:27What did it feel like when you purchased your first luxury timepiece and what watch was it?
13:32Whew, man, there's no feeling like being able to purchase something that you worked really hard for, right?
13:40Uh, I come from a very blue collar background.
13:43Um, and so my mom was always telling me, you know, don't spend your money on goofy things that'll depreciate.
13:51Uh, for me, obviously the first thing that a lot of times a guy will want to get is a chain.
13:56You'll all guys always go for the big chain. And I remember getting one.
14:01I got an iced out chain that I had on, that I was wearing on TV.
14:05And I remember once I got bored of it, cause you're always going to get bored of things after a certain amount of time.
14:10When I went to sell it back or get rid of it, you can't, right?
14:14There's it's when you buy, how you doing? There's not a lot of appreciation on it.
14:19So I remember my first, uh, my first watch.
14:23I gotta, I would have to really think about what, which one that was.
14:27Jacob five times old maybe?
14:29No, no, no, no. It wasn't that. It was either a Cartier or a Rolex.
14:32Probably. I want to say that it was a Rolex.
14:34And I remember just, I remember the jeweler and I remember like I started a very long relationship with that jeweler.
14:41Um, but I, there's no feeling like it.
14:44There's no feeling like working hard and having the fruits of your labor pay off with something that you, you, you work for.
14:49Now I'm at a place, um, I'm engaged.
14:52Congratulations.
14:53Thank you so much.
14:54And now, um, I, I, I, I'm excited to buy my fiance a really nice watch.
15:00Like I'm really, you know, I'm really excited about what I'm going to get her.
15:03Like that's something that I'm looking forward to giving the gift of, of a watch as well.
15:09That's beautiful.
15:10And speaking of that, um, how do you feel about passing down watches?
15:14Sort of as like a family heirloom.
15:15I think you made a point about investing in something that you could actually wear.
15:19And I think that's what's unique about watches, right?
15:20It's not like art that hangs in the house.
15:22It's not like a car which sits in the driveway.
15:24You could drive it.
15:25You know, this is something you could actually take with you.
15:27Have you ever given any thought to that?
15:29Yeah. You know, that's a, that's an amazing question.
15:31I am so happy, uh, to be here in this room with you guys.
15:35It's a Saturday afternoon.
15:37You guys are here listening to, to watch culture, right?
15:41There's so many different panels.
15:42So we appreciate you guys spending the time with us.
15:45And I appreciate you guys for doing this show and opening and exposing it.
15:49There's so many things in African American culture through the years and years of oppression that we've had.
15:56Through the years and years of, you know, from slavery to Jim Crow to segregation.
16:00All of the things that we've been through in this country and in this world, right?
16:04And we, a lot of times historically didn't have family members that would pass down a house for us to begin our wealth.
16:13That would pass down a business for us to begin our wealth.
16:17Watches are such an interesting thing because they're, they're, they're classic and they're timeless, right?
16:22And when you buy gold, especially when you, you know, you buy gold, you buy high quality, uh, products, silver, platinum.
16:29These things appreciate over time.
16:31So to answer your question, I know I went around to answer your question, when you look at passing down, uh, watches as a means of legacy, as a means of building your, your, your generational wealth.
16:45I think it's of the utmost, uh, importance for us to have these conversations, giving down our time pieces to our children, our grandchildren, passing on that legacy, things that appreciate and value.
16:58I think are all very important things that we should be discussing in the black community for sure.
17:03So, uh, Terrence, you had mentioned, uh, FP John, uh, a couple minutes ago.
17:10Um, I think there's a huge value proposition in living watchmakers.
17:15Um, you know, 20 years ago, FP John would have never probably come out of your mouth as an interest.
17:22Uh, I find that, you know, when you think of Rolex, AP, the usual suspects, the, they really don't step into the community as much as a brand like FP John, where they do have those communal events and, and those kinds of things to bridge the gap for culture.
17:46So it does open the door for people like us to do such.
17:50Um, I'm curious if there are any living watchmakers that you are exposed to outside of FP John.
17:59No, I, I, I've been watching your show and trying to catch up because your historical knowledge and your, your vast knowledge of it.
18:07I just think it's such an interesting culture.
18:10I definitely want to spend more time learning about it.
18:12I want to go over to, to, to Switzerland and do, do some, uh, some research, but I think the, the process is beautiful.
18:18I think there's so many incredible watchmakers and I love that we're having this dialogue about the different processes and the different type of time pieces that people are wearing.
18:26No, it's, it's a, it's a great question too. And it's a great point.
18:29And I think, you know, what's also, you know, just kind of answer that question too.
18:34Um, there are some amazing black watchmakers that are doing their things right now.
18:39Who are some of the amazing black, black watchmakers you should look out for?
18:42So in Switzerland, you have Daniela Defoe, who's the daughter of a legendary watchmaker, Philippe Defoe.
18:48Um, and it looks like he's preparing her to take over the family business.
18:52The father is a big deal and everyone's kind of looking to see what the daughter is going to do.
18:56Then back here in the States, um, we've got a couple of friends.
18:59You got well wrote Timmy out in Ontario who has a brand called sovereign watches.
19:03Uh, and they're amazing.
19:04He's doing complicated time pieces for an accessible price.
19:07Uh, we have our friend David.
19:09Yeah.
19:10Compass watches out in, uh, Los Angeles.
19:13Yup.
19:14Yeah.
19:15And so it's interesting to see how like the, the, you know, talking about moving the needle culturally,
19:19like many of us have been influenced by people in your space, um, and people in your circumference.
19:25And watching you guys wear these watches and hang out with these people and, and sort of introduce us to the world of luxury.
19:31And now because of that, you know, many of these doors are breaking down.
19:35You have us doing our show, but you got people who are stepping up and producing watches.
19:39And it is pretty incredible.
19:40Uh, I want to ask you, you know, as someone who is a seasoned watch purchaser, uh, who's rounding out your collection.
19:47Right.
19:48There's probably someone in here right now, uh, that's thinking about purchasing their first time piece.
19:51Uh, with where you are currently in, in, in your state of, of collecting and getting information on knowledge.
19:57What would you, um, what would you advise them to do?
20:01What advice would you give them concerning behind their first watch?
20:03Oh, that's another great question.
20:05You know, when you're going after your first watch, your first beautiful luxury time piece.
20:09I think the first thing is for you to do your research, right?
20:12Know as much as you can about how much they should cost.
20:15Uh, because again, you want to make sure that you're getting the best price.
20:19We only have one life.
20:22So as you look for it, it's getting a good watch.
20:26It's something that you're going to wear every day.
20:28It's something that's going to be a part of your, your outfit every day.
20:31So that is something that I'm definitely all for.
20:34If you're going to ball out on something, you know, you ball out on your watch.
20:38If you're going to save up for something that's really special, you know, I'm all for doing that.
20:43Get something that you love, get something that you, um, uh, really want to wear every day.
20:48And then also know it's, it's a marathon, not a sprint.
20:51You might not be able to just jump out the gate and get your, the, the first craziest watch that you want.
20:57So it's, it's okay to take those baby steps.
21:00And the beautiful thing about watches is like, you can build.
21:03So you could take, you could take this watch and I could be working towards getting the next watch.
21:08Trade this one in.
21:09If I want to trade up, like there's so many different ways to do it.
21:12So doing your research or you can have a collection and not have to wear the same watch twice.
21:17That's right.
21:18All aspire to do that so that you could just, you know, have the, the, the, the collection that big.
21:23So I think it's, you know, move at your own pace, but also don't be afraid to jump out there.
21:28If you've saved up and you're ready to do it.
21:30Hmm.
21:31Hmm.
21:32I want to, I want to, I appreciate you for recognizing that because I wanted to give a little backstory
21:38of how I got to that point.
21:40Um, I have been collecting watches since I was a kid.
21:43Um, my grandfather was someone that exposed me to watches.
21:48And one saying that he would say is if you're early, then you're not on time.
21:56But if you come sooner than you are, you know, he was a military guy.
22:00And so if you, if you showed up, you know, right when you were supposed to be there, no,
22:05you were late, you know, so time was always important to me and he exposed me to watches
22:10and I was able to, to collect.
22:12I've been collecting for over 20 years and turned around.
22:15And turned around and my first couple of watches were Casio's and Timex's.
22:19And then as I started to earn more money, right.
22:22Then you step into bigger brands, Rolex, Cartier, AP, et cetera.
22:26Um, so to piggyback on that, it is a marathon.
22:31It's not a sprint.
22:32You can't rush to the finish line.
22:34You want to be able to enjoy this experience.
22:37Being early is on time.
22:39That's right.
22:40Being on time is late.
22:41Yeah.
22:42Being late is unacceptable.
22:43Unacceptable.
22:44I want to talk about style and taste for a second.
22:46You're a stylish guy.
22:47You get fly.
22:48You like to dress well.
22:49In terms of looking for a watch, how does a, let's say maybe a lesser known brand,
22:54maybe still in the luxury space, how, how do they get your attention?
22:58How does, how does a watch brand get Terrence J's attention when he walks into a luxury watch retailer?
23:03Ooh, that's a great question.
23:04You know, so, so I, I, I believe at one point in my life, I was really setting the trends.
23:10Now I'm at an age where I kind of see, I kind of look around and, and look for the, for the, for the guys that are really into it.
23:16Cause like now I'm looking at that watch.
23:18I'm like, I might have to, to, to make a, another investment and jump into something else.
23:22So I, I, what I like to do is like really look at my friends that are experts at watches, like, like, like Noriega and like, okay.
23:30What are you, what are you doing?
23:31Like, what are you watching?
23:32I'll look at your, your podcast.
23:34I'll see like what the trends are before I make my next, before I make my next purchase.
23:39My girl wants, she saw, um, a girl, what are the, the, the little APs, the little frosty.
23:45Oh yeah.
23:46Yeah.
23:47Those little frosty.
23:48Yeah.
23:49Yeah.
23:50So those things, I mean, them, them things like 60, I'm waiting for them to drop down.
23:53I'm like, I'm like pace yourself.
23:55But we're just always looking at the trends, always looking at what's cool.
23:59Um, and, and yeah, I think at one point I was probably setting those trends.
24:03You know, I just, I watch you guys to see what's happening.
24:06I gotta say though, how cool is it like, you know, to see a guy like Noriega, we grew up watching from CNN, right?
24:13Uh, to Drink Champs, uh, along with many of his peers, now graduate as they, they're getting older, they're, they're men, you know?
24:21And they're getting into hobbies like collecting watches.
24:24You know, it's, it's, it's so funny, man.
24:26When we, when we started, you know, I, I probably started in television, uh, 20 something years ago.
24:32Uh, 20 something years ago, everything was really broad, right?
24:36So when you did a, a show, it had to appeal to as many people as possible, right?
24:42Right.
24:43When we were doing 106, we did everything.
24:46We were a dance show.
24:48We had a freestyle Friday.
24:50Yeah.
24:51We were a new music show, an old music show, acting show.
24:54Like it was everything.
24:55It was almost a variety show, right?
24:57Over time because of technology.
25:00Now there's so much more specificity, right?
25:03And with that, there's all these beautiful things that we're now being exposed to that products weren't able to do back in the day.
25:12So now you can have a guy like Nori who does his thing and, and he exposes things in a, in a, in a way.
25:19You guys exposing people to watch culture.
25:21You know, my guys from, uh, Eastside golf are exposing people to golf in a way that I never would have thought about.
25:29You know, we, we're getting exposed to the racetrack.
25:32We're getting exposed to Monaco.
25:34I think that it's just beautiful that we're in a place where we can fully appreciate our beautiful blackness and our, our, our beautiful interests in so many different things.
25:45And now we have so many more outlets so that if you are curious about it and you want to learn about it, you can dive into it.
25:52You know, I never thought I've, I've been really, uh, loving financial literacy and loving, helping young people about all the things that come with that.
26:01And so I doing a podcast for financial literacy to help people.
26:05I'm shooting a, uh, that podcast and then I go and I'm producing a movie the day right after.
26:10So I, I just love that we're in a place in the world where you can do so many different things.
26:15You can be a multi hyphen in so many different ways.
26:18And, uh, and we as a collective have so many different interests that we can enjoy it all.
26:24No, that's a great point.
26:25And shout out to Essence Fest for hosting this, uh, today.
26:29You know, I think it's, it's so incredible to have a platform like Essence that is, you know, bringing in other programming and variety of programming, much like what we're talking about, about today.
26:39You've been working with Essence for some time.
26:41What has it been like sort of seeing that process, like just build over the last couple of years and flourish?
26:47Yeah, you know, I've, I've been coming to Essence Fest.
26:50This is like a, uh, a staple on my calendar.
26:53It doesn't matter, you know, what I'm doing.
26:55We could be shooting a film, whatever.
26:57I always try to make sure to come to Essence to reconnect.
27:00What I love about it is that you meet so many different people from all over.
27:05People, you know, they, they, they take this weekend off.
27:09It's like a big family reunion.
27:11I've watched Essence over the last 20 years grow this thing from, you know, uh, uh, like a two day thing to a three day thing to almost like a week thing now.
27:22There's so many different panels, you know, right here, you can see so many different activations, so many different sponsorships.
27:29And the, the whole local community has really benefited from the growth of what Essence has been able to do with this, right?
27:37So you have all the local vendors, all the local restaurants, all the local hotels, and there's so many black and brown people that look like us.
27:44So it's just a beautiful time where we can come together, support each other and learn, you know, there's, man, there's all these different panels and, you know, it's just a beautiful time for us to come together and, and, and learn.
27:56And, uh, you know, I love my black women, so I'm, I'm happy to be here, um, to support anytime I could be here.
28:02It is a beautiful time.
28:03And Terrence, I want to say thank you for joining us today.
28:05This was a lot of fun.
28:06I want to give a big shout out to Essence Fest for having us come through.
28:09You guys can find us on Instagram at wristcheckpod, wristcheckpod.com.
28:14And, uh, if you're tuning in, we'll see you next week.
28:17Thank you guys so much for having me.
28:18I appreciate y'all.
28:19Essence, thank you so much.
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