Israel Funded Hamas? Palestine Envoy Abdullah Abu Shawesh's EXPLOSIVE Claim

Name: Israel Funded Hamas? Palestine Envoy Abdullah Abu Shawesh's EXPLOSIVE Claim | Gaza War Interview
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In this EXCLUSIVE interview with Asianet News English, Palestine's Ambassador to India, Abdullah Abu Shawesh, breaks down the latest on the Gaza Peace Plan, the controversy around the Hamas Charter, the situation of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, and the October 7 attacks. He also discusses the urgent humanitarian crisis in Gaza and shares insights on how the international community can help achieve a lasting two-state solution. Don't miss these critical perspectives on one of the world's most pressing conflicts. WATCH.

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00:00:00 - 00:01:07 - Introduction and Palestinian suffering
00:01:07 - 00:03:43 - Ambassador's background and refugee camp life
00:03:43 - 00:06:40 - Education and early career challenges
00:06:40 - 00:09:51 - Diplomatic tenure and UN challenges
00:09:51 - 00:13:44 - Two-state solution complexities
00:13:44 - 00:15:25 - Israeli settlements and settler violence
00:15:25 - 00:18:25 - Tax revenue and payments controversy
00:18:25 - 00:20:55 - Claims of Israel supporting Hamas
00:20:55 - 00:28:45 - Media coverage and Palestinian journalists
00:28:45 - 00:31:08 - Tunnels and war discourse
00:31:08 - 00:33:35 - Hostages and prisoners' issue
00:33:35 - 00:35:43 - East Jerusalem and international law
00:35:43 - 00:38:50 - Obstacles to peace and settlements
00:38:50 - 00:41:57 - US policy and Gaza peace plan
00:41:57 - 00:45:43 - Disarmament of Hamas and security forces
00:45:43 - 00:48:50 - Hamas as terrorist designation debate
00:48:50 - 00:51:30 - Israeli violence and Palestinian resistance
00:51:30 - 00:53:32 - Classifications and hate speech
00:53:32 - 00:54:39 - Jewish community history in Middle East
00:54:39 - 00:56:13 - Israeli land claims and Palestinian safety
00:56:13 - 00:57:57 - Israeli leadership and incitement
00:57:57 - 01:02:40 - PLO and Hamas charters and recognition
01:02:40 - 01:04:00 - Call for review of political charters
01:04:00 - 01:06:34 - Nobel Peace Prize and peace prospects
01:06:34 - 01:10:06 - US veto and UN membership efforts
01:10:06 - 01:11:50 - India-Palestine relations
01:11:50 - 01:14:38 - Political dynamics in India and Palestine
01:14:38 - 01:15:29 - Ambiguity in Gaza peace plan details
01:15:29 - 01:16:38 - Travel to Palestine and visa issues
01:16:38 - 01:16:25 - Closing remarks and historical perspective

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00:00:00Can I provide you with tens if not hundreds of videos how did they used to kill the Palestinian people for fun?

00:00:07Will you dare, sorry to say that, will you accept to publish it?

00:00:10How will you decouple from Israel and how will you be able to self-rule the entire West Bank?

00:00:16It will take a long time I think.

00:00:18The one who supported Hamas, cemented Hamas, financed Hamas, funded Hamas is the current Israeli fidget from justice.

00:00:28I heard you, I heard you.

00:00:29In Benjamin Netanyahu.

00:00:31Otherwise, zero sanction against Israel because they still treated Israel as the grumpy, spoily teenager.

00:00:38I sent a lot of requests to all the political party here and I start by the big political party, of course.

00:00:45But yet, it seems that their schedule is busy.

00:00:53So today I have the privilege of speaking with Palestinian Ambassador to India,

00:00:57Abdullah Abu Shavesh.

00:00:59His journey started from a refugee camp in Gaza and now to the highest circles of diplomacy.

00:01:06You are the voice of Palestine in India, but you've also served for eight years in the United Nations.

00:01:12I really want to begin and I would appreciate if you talk about your journey, Ambassador,

00:01:17first a little bit about how was your life in the refugee camp in Gaza,

00:01:21then how did you come to West Bank and then all of this.

00:01:25I thank you so much indeed, Hina, and for having me today and of course for Asian News today for also being with us.

00:01:34I was born in a refugee camp for a father who was a descendant and a descendant of a refugee people who was born.

00:01:45My father was born in our old village, Berga.

00:01:49This Berga is in West Bank?

00:01:51No, right now in Israel.

00:01:53Israel, okay.

00:01:54It's approximately 25 kilometers in the north of Gaza right now.

00:02:02And of course my grandfather's grandfather and all of my family was there,

00:02:06descendant from our ancient village Berga.

00:02:10But I was born in a refugee camp and to be born in a refugee camp, this is a big story.

00:02:16Anyone know or anyone born as a refugee or in a refugee camp and they grow in a refugee camp that know how much he is suffering.

00:02:26In 1992 I moved from Gaza to West Bank.

00:02:31And you were of what age at that time?

00:02:331970.

00:02:34I was born in 1970.

00:02:35Okay.

00:02:36Yeah.

00:02:36But 1988...

00:02:38So around 22 years old you were.

00:02:39Yes, because there is a gap between once I finished the high school and went to the university because at that time it was the Intifada

00:02:49and all the universities were utterly complete.

00:02:52The Palestinian University, local universities, closed.

00:02:56And to travel outside it wasn't a big issue due to the Israeli occupation.

00:03:01So that since 1988 to 1993 when I moved to start my education in Birzeit University,

00:03:09I graduated with BA degree in economy, then master degree also in economy, professional diploma in marketing, and the PMB project management professional,

00:03:21under the supervision of my great leader and my great manager, Ilan Halevi.

00:03:37Ilan Halevi is a Jewish man.

00:03:38Of course, a pure Palestinian.

00:03:39As a question, I mean, as someone who is belonging, he would belong to us as a Palestinian question.

00:04:03Of course.

00:04:04Then, of course, until 19, 2009, I did not have the privilege to travel outside the country at all.

00:04:17I even did not have the privilege to have a passport because Israel, according to the Israeli, they consider me because I was born in Gaza and live in West Bank.

00:04:31And they consider me as an infiltrator.

00:04:33I did not have the right to live in West Bank.

00:04:36So you applied for visa, but it did not...

00:04:38No, no, not visa.

00:04:39It's not visa.

00:04:40For West Bank?

00:04:41For West Bank, Gaza, there is two IDs.

00:04:44For the Gaza, we are classified as a Palestinian Gaza, West Bank, East Jerusalem, the refugee and the Palestinian who is inside Israel right now.

00:04:53We approximately are talking about five classification when it came to the ID itself, according to the Israeli, of course.

00:05:01But in 2009, they accepted that I became a resident in West Bank.

00:05:06So that the very first time ever in my life to travel, to exercise was the meaning of crossing the border, flying when I was 39 years old.

00:05:14And how about traveling from West Bank to New York for this UN position?

00:05:18I should cross, of course, to Amman, West Bank, Amman, Jordan.

00:05:21Then from Amman to New York.

00:05:24But in 2014, I had been appointed or posted to become a member of our delegation there in New York.

00:05:32For people who want to go from West Bank to U.S. or any other country, is it really difficult?

00:05:38Only one that, which is we should go to Amman, to Jordan and throw Amman to leave.

00:05:45Right, okay. And that process happens through Israel or is it the administrative work of the Pesky government?

00:05:52No, no, no. The border is utterly, completely controlled by the Israeli occupation.

00:05:57So we should cross through the Israeli occupation, I mean, checkpoints and all of these stuff.

00:06:05The border is controlled.

00:06:06Ambassador, coming to your tenure in UN, that was also the time when in 2017 U.S. recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

00:06:17Yes.

00:06:18And you were the diplomat at that time in New York.

00:06:20How did you deal with it in terms of diplomacy?

00:06:22How did you, you know, promote dialogue regarding this particular issue?

00:06:26We have two main bodies when it came to the United Nations to deal with the political issue.

00:06:33But there is another six bodies for the six committees belonging to the General Assembly itself.

00:06:39But two main bodies, Security Council and the General Assembly.

00:06:44In the Security Council, everyone knows, and I'm not revealing a secret, when it came to the Palestinian question, Palestinian-Israeli issue.

00:06:51There is an elephant in the room, which is the American there, and they blocked everything belongs to the peace process or anything related to the question of Palestine.

00:07:01They offering the full, full, without any hesitation, the full support and the full shield, iron shield to Israel in the Security Council.

00:07:12Just to let you know that approximately some statistics is talking about 70 plus percent of the vetoed resilience, the vetoed, the vetoed, the use of the veto by the American is used again as the Palestinian people.

00:07:28During the last two years of the continuous genocide in Gaza, America itself used the veto six times to not to stop the war on Gaza.

00:07:37I would like to go here.

00:07:38Yeah, but back to your question, yes.

00:07:40So this body, which is completely paralyzed when it came to the Israeli-Palestinian issue, but the other body, which is, we used to go under the, what we call it, United for Peace, to the General Assembly or the 10th emergency session, open-ended emergency session.

00:08:00So that we went to the United Nations General Assembly and we adopted a resolution.

00:08:06Of course, this resolution will make no difference when it came to the practical issue once the United States recognized Jerusalem as the capital of, or eternal capital of the Jewish people.

00:08:21There is a lot of, there is a lot of, in the wording itself, but to your surprise, this exact United State of America, when Israel adopted a law call for a United Jerusalem in 1980,

00:08:34this exact United States of America, which was adopted a resolution in the Security Council calling for, or considering the law, the Israeli law, is utterly non-valid, non-applied, and it is, again, is the international law.

00:08:53And they called the international community not to move their, their embassies to Jerusalem.

00:09:00Just less than four decades ago, they completely went against the resolution that they adopted it and accepted it in the United Nations Security Council.

00:09:13When we talk about the two-nation theory and two-state solution, how will it happen, even if you have a huge support from a lot of countries around the globe, how will it happen?

00:09:26Because when we talk about West Bank, there are three administrative areas, area A, B, and C.

00:09:31And there are a lot of Israeli military installations, Israeli infrastructure, a lot of management of land is being controlled by Israel, a lot of settlements.

00:09:42And of course, there is more that we can talk about how these Israeli settlements are operating, how they are benefiting and all of that.

00:09:50With such a huge, complex situation on ground in West Bank, how will you decouple from Israel and how will you be able to self-rule the entire West Bank?

00:10:00It will take a long time, I think.

00:10:03Heena, I'm really surprised that you are well-educated about the Palestinian issue, internal West Bank when you shed light on A, B, C areas and all of this stuff.

00:10:14Back just to your question, the issue of the two-state solution.

00:10:19We did not invent the wheel.

00:10:21This solution was on the international table, 1947.

00:10:27The BERT certificate for the state of Israel, the same exact BERT certificate, resolution 181.

00:10:37And this resolution, this resolution called for two states, one for the Jewish and one for the Palestinian.

00:10:44Unfortunately, only one state was, only one part of this resolution or one part of this, I like to say it, call it a BERT certificate, a BERT certificate of the two-state solution.

00:11:02Only one part of this resolution was adopted, and adopted unfairly also, because this resolution or the BERT certificate of Israel was calling to Israel to be built in only 54% of the historical land of Palestine.

00:11:19So that when we talk about two-state solution, it's there, we did not invent the wheel.

00:11:30It's there long time ago, 1947.

00:11:33But in the recent days, I mean, the recent decades, 1993, when the BLO, the Palestinian Liberation Organization,

00:11:43accept the two-state solution and sign Oslo Accord and all of this stuff, we sign it as a five-year interval agreement.

00:11:56It should not be, it's a step forward, the two-state solution, but unfortunately, we found our SIP stuck in this issue.

00:12:05Once we sign it, we start with less than 120 settlement, something like this.

00:12:11Today we are talking about between settlement and, they call it even they call it illegal outpost.

00:12:18We are talking about 500 to 600, because every single day, they used to bring some caravans and to see some of the Palestinian land and to start a new settlement.

00:12:31We, when we start the peace process itself, we are talking, we start with less than 150,000 settlers.

00:12:39Now we are talking about 750,000 plus of the criminal settlers, or if you want the exact name of them, illegal settlers.

00:12:51And the very exact name is the vast majority of them is terrorist settler, terrorist Jewish settler,

00:12:58whom is in a daily pace conducting, conducting tens of attacks against the Palestinian people in the isolated village.

00:13:06So what I gathered from my reading is that these settlers are benefiting economically,

00:13:11but what you are saying is that they are also attacking normal civilian Palestinians inside of West Bank?

00:13:15In a daily pace, tens of attacks, those terrorist settlers, and I want to repeat it,

00:13:22terrorist fanatic Jewish settlers, Messianic settlers, is conducting in a daily pace,

00:13:30tens, tens, tens of terrorist attack against the Palestinian in their village, in their isolated village.

00:13:38In a daily pace, tens of terror acts they are conducting against the Palestinian people.

00:13:46I want to go back.

00:13:46And they also, all of them is militarized to that tier.

00:13:50The area area.

00:13:51Not civilians, because many is talking about they are civilians.

00:13:55Absolutely, utterly not civilians.

00:13:57But they are running businesses in West Bank.

00:13:59I'm coming.

00:13:59It's not only business.

00:14:00They are benefiting from the business because Israel and many other fanatic organization,

00:14:08especially in America and many of it in Europe,

00:14:12I mean, the evangelical organization is supporting them to establish this settlement in West Bank.

00:14:22And the tax and all of this stuff, they have a lot of privilege so that a lot of the business itself, they are benefiting.

00:14:31Ambassador, I'm really sorry that I'm interrupting you here, but I am very intrigued with what I read.

00:14:37Is that before 7th of October 2023, Israel was actually collecting all the taxes, which it was gathering from the imports by the Palestinians.

00:14:47And then it was on a monthly basis giving it to the Palestinian Authority so that it can later on pay the salaries of the Palestinians.

00:14:53But after 2023, it refused because it said that the Palestinian Authority is actually paying salaries to the families of Hamas, to the families of the prisoners.

00:15:03How do you rebut that?

00:15:04I do know that there is an amendment which Palestinian Authority did regarding that.

00:15:08But what is the current status, just shed light on it?

00:15:11More than one issue.

00:15:12And again, really, I'm very proud that you are having all of these information.

00:15:18This is very important.

00:15:20They used to collect the money because we imported through the Israeli borders so that they collect the taxes and they used to transfer the taxes to us.

00:15:31Since 2021, it's not October 2023.

00:15:352021, you are saying?

00:15:36Yes, the last ever full salary that I received, November 2021, me and all the Palestinian official employees, even his excellence, President Abbas, his salary, the last full salary he received it, November 2021.

00:15:57So they started dictating and freezing our tax money, holding our tax money.

00:16:09How much are we talking about?

00:16:10$3 billion right now.

00:16:12And there is a lot of executes to that.

00:16:17We are paying the money for the prisoners.

00:16:20We are paying the money for the terrorists.

00:16:22How do you rebut to this?

00:16:24I'm coming.

00:16:24Just to tell you how they used to.

00:16:27And we are paying.

00:16:28But you said to Hamas.

00:16:30Yeah.

00:16:30When it came to the prisoners, without any doubt, all of them is a victim of the Israeli occupation.

00:16:39All the prisoners.

00:16:40Today we are talking about 11,000 prisoners.

00:16:43Let's talk about Hamas, the payments to Hamas.

00:16:45Because the justification.

00:16:49When you talk about 11,000 Palestinian hostages right now, 5,000 of them is serving an administrative detention.

00:16:57This administrative detention came from a law that imposed on your people 1919 by the breach.

00:17:07The same exact breach.

00:17:08Bring this law and the Israeli is using this law right now.

00:17:11Do you want us for the people who was killed at the hand of the Israeli occupation?

00:17:40Do you want us to let their women to begin in the streets?

00:17:45What about Hamas?

00:17:46I'm coming.

00:17:47This is just, I'm going to tell you who's sir.

00:17:49Because I will talk about prisoners later on.

00:17:51Yes.

00:17:52Okay.

00:17:52If you want me to go to Hamas.

00:17:54No, we did not be Hamas.

00:17:55The one who's paying Hamas, officially speaking, is the fidget from justice, international justice,

00:18:03Benjamin Netanyahu, the current Israeli prime minister.

00:18:07Do you want me to approve it?

00:18:08I have a follow-up question to this statement that you've given.

00:18:13But let me just be repeated it because I want to stress it.

00:18:16The one who supported Hamas, cemented Hamas, financed Hamas, funded Hamas is the current Israeli

00:18:25fidget from justice.

00:18:27I heard you.

00:18:28I heard you.

00:18:28Benjamin Netanyahu.

00:18:30I have a follow-up question to that.

00:18:31You know, when Israel attacked Qatar, there was a lot of debate going on around it.

00:18:38And people said that, you know what, Israel was actually backing Qatar so that it can financially

00:18:43aid Hamas.

00:18:44Now, there are two conversations regarding it.

00:18:46First is that Israel wanted to support humanitarian aid in Gaza.

00:18:52And that is one of the reasons that they gave that this is the reason why they allowed the

00:18:56financial aid to flow from this Middle Eastern region to Hamas, in the hands of Hamas.

00:19:01And the second conversation is that they were trying to actually create a rift between

00:19:07Fatih and Hamas.

00:19:09Now, my question to you is, if you are saying that Benjamin Netanyahu has been supporting

00:19:15Hamas for so long, why did Hamas then, you know, did this attack on Israel on 7th of October

00:19:212023?

00:19:22No, but you did not give me the chance to continue.

00:19:26I asked you this follow-up question so that you can further elaborate here.

00:19:28Yes, of course, back again, I already declared myself loud and clear the one who cement finance

00:19:36funded Hamas through the Qatar by request of Benjamin Netanyahu himself to the Qatarian

00:19:42brothers.

00:19:43We want you to support them, to do one thing, as you rightly mentioned, not to support the

00:19:49humanitarian issue in Gaza, just to maintain the rift.

00:19:52And this is a declared and declared position by, again, the Israeli Prime Minister himself.

00:19:59It's not our wording.

00:20:00He used to say, who want to stand against the two-state solution, he should maintain the rift

00:20:07between Fatih and Hamas or the Palestinian Authority and Hamas itself.

00:20:11And so he should support and accept supporting Hamas in Gaza.

00:20:16So he wanted to divide in rule.

00:20:18That's what you're saying.

00:20:19It's a declared position.

00:20:21Anyone can't say.

00:20:21Okay.

00:20:22Thanks, Google.

00:20:23All of these in Google.

00:20:24It's not our word.

00:20:25We did not create the world, but we did not have the chance to tell this story to the people.

00:20:29Not more than that.

00:20:30Because, again, the complicit media, Western media.

00:20:35Why do you say, why do you target media?

00:20:38Because the media itself did not give us the chance to tell our story.

00:20:42Media is doing good job.

00:20:43Why are you saying it?

00:20:45Because in West, we often see pro-Palestinian protests happening.

00:20:48Wait a minute.

00:20:49This is reporting.

00:20:50Thank you so much.

00:20:51You already said something.

00:20:53This is reporting.

00:20:552,000 Palestinians, 5,000 Palestinians, 66,000 Palestinians have been killed.

00:20:59This is reporting.

00:21:01The story is completely different.

00:21:03The root of the issue is completely different.

00:21:06Even when they use the wording, how did they classify the Palestinian journalists, 252 Palestinian

00:21:16journalists paid their life to tell the word the truth.

00:21:20They used to say that, but we want Israel to allow us, not all the media, of course.

00:21:25I mean that in particular, in general.

00:21:28You're talking about the West.

00:21:29We want Israel to allow an independent media to enter, which means by default, those

00:21:36250, 2, 1 is not independent.

00:21:39This is their complicity.

00:21:41But Israel says that if they let this Palestinian media enter Gaza to report, they are actually

00:21:48handing gloves with Hamas.

00:21:49What is your response to that?

00:21:51They are saying that they are actually, the evidence that they have found, the archives,

00:21:55the documents of Hamas, what they found, is their names are there in those documents.

00:21:59The name of the journalists.

00:22:00The 252 journalists.

00:22:01I'm not sure about that particular number, but the journalists who have entered Gaza to

00:22:06report there.

00:22:07Not entered, they are from Gaza.

00:22:08No, no, they are from Gaza.

00:22:09They are from Gaza.

00:22:10All of those journalists are from Gaza.

00:22:12Okay.

00:22:13What about your colleagues, Shireen Abu-Aqla?

00:22:17Three years ago, when they assassinated and targeted her.

00:22:21Shireen is not Hamas.

00:22:23Shireen is a Christian woman.

00:22:25Shireen is from West Bank.

00:22:26Shireen is an American citizen.

00:22:28But they intentionally targeted and killed her to make sure that they were going to

00:22:33stifle her voice.

00:22:35The 2025 journalists whom was targeted and assassinated is Hamas.

00:22:41Let me just, I gave you one example.

00:22:44One very clear example.

00:22:46And Israel, Israel itself did not claim that the 252,000, the 252 journalists is Hamas.

00:22:54Did not.

00:22:55Even Israel did not claim that.

00:22:56They claim that just Anas al-Sharif, two months ago, Anas al-Sharif is Hamas.

00:23:02They claim that.

00:23:03But the question is, Anas used to report from the street with his camera and cameraman,

00:23:10day and night from Gaza, from all over Gaza.

00:23:13But they choose to target him alongside another five journalists, not to target him when he

00:23:20was reporting in the street.

00:23:21This is the exact intentional policy to execute and to stifle the palestinian voice.

00:23:28If you are going to hunt Anas al-Sharif, and for sake of argument, I totally utterly agree with

00:23:36for sake of argument, that he is an Hamas man.

00:23:38But you did not kill him, or you did not target him for two years, approximately.

00:23:43You left him freely for two years.

00:23:45Then when you decide to target him, to kill him, to assassinate him, you choose to kill

00:23:50him while he's sit in the tent with another five journalists.

00:23:56So you, one word, loud and clear, Israel is targeting them intentionally.

00:24:03It's not because he is Hamas.

00:24:05Can I, just because you already open a very important question.

00:24:10Who financed Hamas?

00:24:11Who funded Hamas?

00:24:13Benjamin Netanyahu.

00:24:14And let me give you another example.

00:24:16We use, in Gaza, we used to import the electricity from Israel.

00:24:20We did not control Gaza as a palestinian authority.

00:24:24The one who controlled it before the war is Hamas.

00:24:28The one who collect the money from the people, from my family there, is Hamas.

00:24:33So who is paying the pill?

00:24:35We, the palestinian authority.

00:24:37Who enforce us to pay the pill, the electricity bill?

00:24:40Benjamin Netanyahu.

00:24:41When we discuss this officially with them, with the Israeli side, we should not pay the pill to

00:24:47them.

00:24:47You should take the pill from them directly.

00:24:50I mean the money.

00:24:51He refuses.

00:24:52He is the one.

00:24:53And enforce us by force, by power.

00:24:56He has deducted the electricity bill from the palestinian revenue, palestinian national

00:25:02authority revenue, while he is knowing that Hamas is collecting it from the people in

00:25:06Gaza to fund her.

00:25:08Why do you think that there, what is the reason why there has been no sanctions against Israel so

00:25:15far?

00:25:17What could be the reason?

00:25:18But to complete the picture, you should, I, sorry to say that.

00:25:22No, you were talking about, yes, yes, yes, yes.

00:25:24I'm coming to complete, no sanctions against Israel, while Russia, they impose on it 30,000

00:25:32different, different type of sanctions.

00:25:34So that's a hypocrisy of the U.S.

00:25:36U.S.

00:25:37No, and the western country.

00:25:38It's not the U.S. only.

00:25:40But also, with all due respect, the western country and the international community.

00:25:44And even those countries have actually recognized the state of Palestine.

00:25:47Yes.

00:25:48And the international community.

00:25:49You recognize the state of Palestine, X or Y. And you stand strong against the, you stand

00:25:56strong to back and to support the two-state solution.

00:25:59And you, your official position is that the, the, the settlement, the illegal settlement.

00:26:06Your official position in X and Y country is the settlement is illegal and the main obstacle

00:26:11to the two-state solution.

00:26:13Then you allow the, uh, uh, settlement to trade and you, your country is trading with the

00:26:18settlement, investing in the settlement and all the products in the settlement is flooding

00:26:23and, uh, uh, flooding your market and, excuse me, hypocrisy, 30 different, 30,000

00:26:31different type of sanctions against Russia with, except of course, uh, uh, Spain, they

00:26:37impose some sanctions, but otherwise zero sanctions against Israel because they still

00:26:42treated Israel as the grumpy, spoiled teenager.

00:26:47This is the hypocrisy.

00:26:48This is the double standard.

00:26:50Right.

00:26:51Uh.

00:26:52So, did, so, did I answer you, do you want me to give you more proof that Israel and the

00:26:57current fidget from justice, the Israeli prime minister, is whom is well financing Hamas?

00:27:02Do you want more proof?

00:27:03Well, there are two schools that have thought on it.

00:27:05No, no, it's a, it's a fact.

00:27:08It's not our word.

00:27:09So when we used to say that we want, we want.

00:27:12And independent international, uh, uh, investigation committee or fact finding mission to come to

00:27:20investigate what happened before October 7, in October 7, and after October 7, we mean

00:27:25it.

00:27:26When we used to say that, uh, this is not our word.

00:27:29This is the Israeli wording.

00:27:31You are the one who founded Hamas.

00:27:33This is not our word.

00:27:35But Israel says that it wanted to, even he himself did not deny this issue, but he used

00:27:43to justify it.

00:27:44Israel says that it, it was hopeful that somehow Hamas will be able to take the political control

00:27:49of Gaza and have peace there.

00:27:51Okay.

00:27:52Great.

00:27:53So we agree that, and they agree that they funded Hamas for a sake of, for a sake of other

00:27:58issue.

00:27:59But they did not accomplish this issue.

00:28:00But who's funded get, funded Hamas, who cemented Hamas?

00:28:05Israel.

00:28:06One word, loud and clear, and they, they themselves.

00:28:09Iran also backed Hamas.

00:28:10One hundred percent.

00:28:11One hundred percent.

00:28:12There are so many tunnels from where the weapons flood Gaza.

00:28:16The tunnels.

00:28:18Very important question.

00:28:19When is the last time did you hear about the tunnels?

00:28:22Most recently, I think.

00:28:23Oh no.

00:28:24The tunnels was, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, demonating the discourse, the underground tunnels at the very

00:28:33beginning of the war.

00:28:34Then, I can assure you, today you will not find any single word in the Israeli media or the

00:28:40complicit media.

00:28:41I'm coming.

00:28:42I'm coming.

00:28:43I'm coming.

00:28:44I'm gonna tell you why.

00:28:45Or the complicit western media regarding the tunnels.

00:28:47The tunnels is utterly removed from the discourse for one reason.

00:28:51Because you justified the war in Gaza and Hamas because they are in the tunnel.

00:28:57Then you are killing the people on the ground, in their homes.

00:29:01But the tunnels are the innocent people.

00:29:03So if you will continue to say tunnels and killing the people on the service, on the ground,

00:29:09above the, uh, above the, the, not in the tunnel, this means that you are saying something

00:29:15not logic.

00:29:16So they removed the, I can assure you, in the Israeli media, there is no.

00:29:20But the infrastructure, the hospitals, everything is above the tunnel.

00:29:25The, the hostages?

00:29:26Israel is the only one.

00:29:28It might be more than the, the Hamas political leader knowing, know where exactly the hostages.

00:29:35And they know that.

00:29:36They know that.

00:29:37They know that.

00:29:38They know that where exactly.

00:29:39If they knew, why didn't they?

00:29:41Because it's a complicated war zone.

00:29:43That's it.

00:29:44But Israel, according to their media, according to their intelligence, according to the reports

00:29:50that it came from their side, is knowing exactly where is the hostages.

00:29:55What about the dead bodies of the hostages?

00:29:5828 of them.

00:29:59I hope you ask us about, uh, official position or the, the, the, but I'm, I'm, I'm not there.

00:30:05Okay.

00:30:06Let me pause this.

00:30:07But if you ask about, uh, our official position, whether it is hostages or dead bodies, all the

00:30:14hostages should not be taken from scratch.

00:30:17Is it clear?

00:30:18And this is our clear position.

00:30:20Yeah.

00:30:21When we talk about all the hostages, we mean also the Palestinian hostages.

00:30:25We would not mean only the Israeli hostages.

00:30:28Each hostages should back to his family yesterday, this moment, after one minute.

00:30:35No one should be in captivity for one single minute.

00:30:40Hmm.

00:30:41When we talk about the dead body, do you know how many dead body for the Palestinian

00:30:47Israel since 1967?

00:30:50I want to keep this focused because I will talk about this issue also, but I want to keep

00:30:55it focused here.

00:30:56Uh, one thing I will come to the PSD later on, but I want to talk about the two state solution.

00:31:03Now East Jerusalem is one territory, which is of course, very contested territory.

00:31:08Uh, West Bank.

00:31:09Okay.

00:31:10Okay.

00:31:11I will back.

00:31:12Okay.

00:31:13Yeah.

00:31:14So West Bank says that it wants to have the capital in East Jerusalem, but according to

00:31:18the recent reports, what we found is that Israel is trying to build settlements in between

00:31:22East Jerusalem and West Bank so that there is no continuity.

00:31:25Yes.

00:31:26If all of this is happening in my first question, which I posed to you that there are so many settlements

00:31:32inside of West Bank, how is this entire plan going to work out?

00:31:37Yes.

00:31:38We should all the time rely on the international law, on the international adapted resolution,

00:31:48in the security council resolution and general assembly resolution.

00:31:52And the principle is, of course, of the human right, the human right, uh, uh, universal human

00:31:59right declaration, and all of this stuff.

00:32:01The very basic human right, fundamental human right, is the, uh, um, um, self-determination,

00:32:11which is human right.

00:32:12Yes.

00:32:13When it came to, because you became independent as India, based on this, say, toward self-determination,

00:32:18the full right to self-determination, and all the countries whom was enduring, occupation, uh,

00:32:30colonization became a free people, the base on this very principle, very, very essential.

00:32:36When it came to the East Jerusalem, according to the international law, it's an occupied territory.

00:32:42One word loud and clear.

00:32:44And the Israeli themselves cannot stand against the international law.

00:32:48But since the mighty create right, and this is the logic of power, and they are fully supported by many Western countries.

00:32:57I'm not revealing a secret when I say that also by the United States of America.

00:33:02I'm not revealing a secret when I say that the current messianic fanatic, uh, um, ambassador

00:33:07of, uh, the U.S. to the United, to, to Israel, is, is also believing that there is no such thing

00:33:14called a Palestinian people.

00:33:16He did not believe this is in a West Bank.

00:33:18It's Judea and Samaria, the public name of, uh, of our land.

00:33:22So when it came to East Jerusalem, according to the international law, it's the occupied territory.

00:33:28So when we talk about two state solution, we talk about one unity, geographical unity,

00:33:33Gaza, West Bank, including East Jerusalem, to be the, to build the state of Palestine, which is,

00:33:40which consists only 22% of our historical land.

00:33:45And when I say our historical land, we still have the title deeds, the official document

00:33:51that we own this land.

00:33:53Israel till today managing our property in Israel by special law.

00:33:59Every one of you can find it absent the property law.

00:34:03Period.

00:34:04This is our land and we accept for peace.

00:34:07So you will not accept the two state solution if it does not include Gaza and East Jerusalem?

00:34:14Should I say so?

00:34:15It's the agreed, it's not only our position.

00:34:18It's the international position.

00:34:20It's the, the, the global position.

00:34:22It's the agreed, it's the agreed position.

00:34:25I want to understand the stance of Palestinian authority.

00:34:28Yes.

00:34:29Palestinian, Palestinian operation.

00:34:31Palestinian authority.

00:34:32The Palestinian people at law.

00:34:33What, what, which land you would vouch that it needs to come under.

00:34:40All the land, all the lands that occupied in 1960.

00:34:43So Gaza, East Jerusalem and West Bank.

00:34:45Yes, and West Bank.

00:34:46Yes.

00:34:47You will not accept anything less than that.

00:34:4822% of our historical land.

00:34:50When I say our historical land, I mean it.

00:34:53We still have the title deeds, the official document that this is our land.

00:34:57Israel is still managing our property inside Israel by special law.

00:35:02So the two-state solution.

00:35:03The Israeli archive.

00:35:04Decades away because we have the peace plan, which is still not, has come to friction.

00:35:09Yes, because of the Israeli barriers.

00:35:11And then we have the problem in East Jerusalem.

00:35:14That's an occupied territory.

00:35:15There are settlements going on between West Bank and East Jerusalem.

00:35:19So I think it's, we are talking about a couple of decades more if we talk about the two-state solution.

00:35:26No, why?

00:35:27Why a couple of decades?

00:35:28If there is no will, there is no way.

00:35:30I'm going to give you one example from the history.

00:35:331956, France, British and Israel attacked Egypt for the Swiss Canal and all of this stuff.

00:35:42Then Israel occupied Gaza Strip and Sinai Banesinola.

00:35:47It took them between Soviet Union at that time.

00:35:53It took the American president one phone call.

00:35:57Do you want me to repeat that?

00:35:58There is a will.

00:35:59One phone call to Ingrion, to the Godfather of Israel.

00:36:02Tonight you should withdraw from Sinai Banesinola and Gaza.

00:36:07Tonight.

00:36:09One phone call.

00:36:10Well.

00:36:11At that time there was a will.

00:36:14And he withdrew.

00:36:16But the US had the administration.

00:36:18Because I should finish.

00:36:20So if we agree that if there isn't a will, there isn't a way.

00:36:25Hope is always there.

00:36:26Of course.

00:36:27How did you became independent people without the hope?

00:36:30How your ancestors became independent.

00:36:32True.

00:36:33How much you endured.

00:36:3435 to 45 million Indians paid their life.

00:36:38But you became independent because you saw your ancestors saw that light at the end of the tunnel.

00:36:43We are like you.

00:36:45We will not became a slave for anyone.

00:36:48We are copying you.

00:36:49But again, if there isn't a will, there isn't a way.

00:36:53What is the main obstacle for the two-state solution?

00:36:55You already said.

00:36:57The settlement.

00:36:59Stifle the settlement.

00:37:02Strangulate the settlement.

00:37:04Don't make it as an international community.

00:37:07Don't make it a profit project.

00:37:09Stop trading with the settlement.

00:37:12Stop flying to Israel.

00:37:14Stop accepting in your countries the ambassador of Israel to be a settler.

00:37:19Stop allowing any settler to enter your land.

00:37:24Stop funding the settlement.

00:37:27Today, America, if the American international community, European country, Israel decided your bank account, you will not receive forever any single dollar or any single penny in your personal account.

00:37:41personal bank account, you will be there.

00:37:44I want to come to this point.

00:37:46So they can do it.

00:37:47They can do it.

00:37:48I want to come to this point that you just raised.

00:37:51Given the fact that in US, we have Trump administration, who has actually cut down funding for the Palestinians, have cut down funding for UNRWA, have moved to the embassy, have recognized Jerusalem in 2017.

00:38:07Given this kind of administration in power, do you think that the Gaza peace plan will be according to the wills of the Palestinians?

00:38:16More than one issue.

00:38:17First and foremost, it was not just with President Trump, the US position towards the Palestinian people long time.

00:38:26Even before President Trump had a dream to become President of the US.

00:38:31Since the very first ever moment of establishing Israel, seven minutes after declaring the state of Israel, America the first ever one to recognize Israel without taking any move towards recognizing the Palestinian people at that time.

00:38:47So America historically is not only President Trump, but again, it was not started with President Trump administration itself.

00:38:59It is a long time before President Trump himself.

00:39:02But with President Trump first, of course, first term, you already mentioned Shed Lighton, what is the devastating moves he took against us.

00:39:12Also, we used to judge the people based on their attitudes towards our struggle.

00:39:19This is very important. We did not judge them because we love or we did not love them or their rhetoric itself.

00:39:27We judge them based on their attitude towards our struggle.

00:39:32Okay. I want to come to the Gaza peace plan now.

00:39:37The Gaza peace plan, the first phase I want to skip because that's we will see more unfold happening on Monday and Tuesday.

00:39:47But coming to the second phase of the Gaza peace plan, do you think that Hamas will be ready to disarm itself completely?

00:39:56First and foremost, I'm wondering why you'd call it a peace plan if the owner of it call it comprehensive plan to end the conflict in Gaza.

00:40:06Let's say it, yeah.

00:40:07Let's say it, yeah.

00:40:08But again, wording. I am the son of the United Nations, and the first lesson that I brought to say that I learned it.

00:40:16I learned it from an Indian colleague.

00:40:17Words have a meaning.

00:40:18Words have a meaning.

00:40:19Words, wording. He, exactly, sharply. It was in conference room five or six at that day.

00:40:26Words have a meaning. I was very new at that time, but I like it.

00:40:31Then I start realizing that there is a big difference between coma and semi-coma in the international law.

00:40:39So it is official name, comprehensive plan to put and to end the conflict in Gaza.

00:40:47So our official position before I shed light on it.

00:40:52We are, President Abbas, be alone, Palestinian authority with any decent effort, honored effort that gonna put an end to the bloodshed in Gaza, to the genocide, to the textbook genocide, to the war in Gaza.

00:41:07With any effort that will make sure that there is no more people will go, no more entire family will going to erupt, to erase from...

00:41:17What about the disarmament of it?

00:41:19I am coming, I am coming.

00:41:20We are with any decent effort, because discipline is talking about this, which is very important.

00:41:25That will guarantee no more child will die due to the malnutrition and starvation.

00:41:31We are with any decent effort that will guarantee our people is not going to sleep without food.

00:41:39My family is there. I am not telling you something.

00:41:41I am telling you what my, me in person, is suffering in a daily pace since two years and three days.

00:41:48This is the issue. We are also with any decent effort that will guarantee no amputated arms or legs will went without anesthesia.

00:42:01And this happened, and we have video to this.

00:42:04We are with any decent effort that will guarantee there is a sufficient amount of painkiller.

00:42:11Could you imagine we are lake of the painkiller in Gaza?

00:42:15There are about 5,000 amputations.

00:42:17We are talking about 45, according to the recent report, or recent report from the United Nations.

00:42:2445,000 whom already endured a life-changing injury.

00:42:29One more life-hour.

00:42:315,000 who is imputed, paralyzed people.

00:42:35Put aside the trauma, any child, any pregnant women suffer, suffered malnutrition.

00:42:46It's a life-changing injury.

00:42:51To the peace, to the Gaza comprehensive.

00:42:55Yes, we are fully endorsing it and we consider it step forward.

00:42:58You are endorsing the disarmament of Hamas, complete disarmament.

00:43:01This is our official position.

00:43:02And I should say, who's stand against it?

00:43:05Benjamin Netanyahu.

00:43:06We are just to disarmament.

00:43:08Because, two things.

00:43:10When we talk about disarmament, again, international law.

00:43:14This means that there is an army stand against the 15 power in the rank, Israel.

00:43:22Nuclear power.

00:43:23Which is not true.

00:43:24Hamas is not army.

00:43:26Hamas is utterly not army.

00:43:28And we saw and we know that.

00:43:30And everyone is knowing that.

00:43:31So that when we talk about disarmament, according to the international law,

00:43:35chemical weapons, arsenal weapons, jets, tanks.

00:43:42And this is not that true.

00:43:43But again, disarmament.

00:43:46We will going to accept that.

00:43:47Because we are first to accept ceasefire, which should not be called ceasefire in the war on Gaza.

00:43:54But we accepted it.

00:43:55And disarmament.

00:43:56This is our official position as a Palestinian national authority.

00:44:00We used to call long time ago for one legitimate security for us.

00:44:07Let me repeat it.

00:44:08One legitimate security for us.

00:44:10Not army.

00:44:11Even our declared position, we want to build a state without army.

00:44:17Is it fair?

00:44:18Without army.

00:44:19We did not want to have tanks.

00:44:21We would not want to have nuclear power and all of this stuff.

00:44:28Just legitimate security for us.

00:44:32Period.

00:44:33Okay.

00:44:34This means that we are fully, and before the war,

00:44:38this is our official position even when we used to discuss the unity with Hamas.

00:44:44But when we talk about security, definitely, most definitely, I do not think that Palestinian

00:44:49authorities would want to give weapons to Hamas when we talk about security.

00:44:53No, security.

00:44:54Legitimate security.

00:44:55Legitimate security.

00:44:56That's not Hamas.

00:44:57Legitimate security for us Palestinian soldiers, Palestinian cops, Palestinian security men.

00:45:10Who is going to deal with the security issue?

00:45:13Period.

00:45:14If you have a state, you need to have security.

00:45:15It's not Hamas.

00:45:16It's not Fatih.

00:45:17It's not.

00:45:18Should not.

00:45:19When we say legitimate, this even should not belong to Fatih or Hamas or anyone.

00:45:25We did not seeking a militia.

00:45:27Legitimate security for us.

00:45:29Period.

00:45:30There is one comment which actually made me think, why so?

00:45:35Which is, why don't you accept that Hamas is a terrorist organization?

00:45:41Can I ask you, did you accept Bahagat Singh to be a terrorist man?

00:45:47I failed to understand why do you give that analogy.

00:45:50Yes, yes.

00:45:51The comparison is very important.

00:45:53Because who's telling us or who should say that this is a terrorist or not a terrorist?

00:45:59Do we, as a Palestinian, we have two positions.

00:46:03We utterly against what did Hamas conducted in October 7.

00:46:09100%, it's not 99%.

00:46:12But the question is, who's classified Hamas?

00:46:16But before Hamas, just let me let you know that even the BLO, Palestinian Liberation Organization, which is recognized by Israel as the sole and legitimate representative of the Palestinian people, is still in America classified as a terrorist organization.

00:46:33So, it's a matter of who classifying us, who classifying our people.

00:46:40But Ambassador, why are these parents?

00:46:42Who classifying us?

00:46:43Israel, the occupation government.

00:46:44I understand that you have objection of BLO being classified as a terrorist organization in the US.

00:46:50That I completely accept.

00:46:52But why do you not classify and even say from your official stance that yes, what Hamas did was a terrorist act?

00:47:01Let me just again borrow your, if it is possible.

00:47:04Of course, I know that you, many times, many of the Indian people did not want me to touch that.

00:47:09But even during the 1930s.

00:47:12But Bhagat Singh, when you talk about Bhagat Singh, he did not kill civilians.

00:47:17No, can I make Bhagat Singh accused of being a terrorist and hanged to death because they accused him, not you and me.

00:47:26We never saw an Israeli defense official dragging people at the back of the truck, spitting on them, kidnapping them.

00:47:37Why don't you say that?

00:47:39Wait a minute.

00:47:40What happened on 7th October.

00:47:41Wait a minute.

00:47:42Wait a minute.

00:47:43Wait a minute.

00:47:44Wait a minute.

00:47:45You did not see.

00:47:46Can I provide you with tens, if not hundreds of videos how did they used to kill the Palestinian people for fun?

00:47:52Will you dare, sorry to say that, will you accept to publish it?

00:47:56Can I provide you with tens of videos how the settler terrorist gangs in West Bank killing the Palestinian and enduring even,

00:48:05did not endure even one hour in the jail?

00:48:08Can I give you this and will you be able to publish it?

00:48:13And if this is the classification of the terror, I'm willing, 100% accepted that.

00:48:19But give us the chance, you in particular, to shed light or to show you how did the Israeli terrorists soldiers killing the Palestinian.

00:48:31Give me the chance to show you videos, photos of how did they trampled by their tanks, the Palestinian people in Gaza.

00:48:39Give us the chance to show you some of the real videos, how did they killed and assassinated the Palestinian.

00:48:46Is this the definition of terror?

00:48:48Thank you so much.

00:48:49We are ready.

00:48:50Let them bring the videos from October 7 and let us bring the videos, all the videos since 1948 till today.

00:48:58What did we have?

00:48:59Videos and evidence, evidence that they conducted a terror act against us.

00:49:05And let us classify what the meaning of terror.

00:49:07But back to your history.

00:49:09During the 1930s, two schools of thought to liberate India.

00:49:14One led by one of the prominent figures of it is the late, the great murder, Bahagat Singh.

00:49:22And the other school of thought was led by the great leader, of course, Gandhi.

00:49:31Both school of thought is completely, utterly opposite.

00:49:37But then Gandhi denounced or declared that Bahagat Singh is a terror.

00:49:44Now let us just move on.

00:49:45Wait a minute, wait a minute.

00:49:46Because, because we're thinking.

00:49:48I do understand.

00:49:50I do understand that.

00:49:51I was just trying to understand why would you hesitate.

00:49:54No, because they want even the word terror is not our creation.

00:49:58So basically what you are saying.

00:50:00The word terror was created by the colonial powers.

00:50:05And one of the first people who accused of being terror is your people.

00:50:11But did we agree with Hamas?

00:50:14Are we an agreement with Hamas?

00:50:16Utterly no.

00:50:17We exercise the military resistance long time ago.

00:50:21And to fetish Yasser Arafat himself.

00:50:24The current president used they classified him as a terror.

00:50:29But now they removed the terror and add another objective to him.

00:50:33Terrorist diplomat.

00:50:35President Abbas.

00:50:36The signatory of Oslo.

00:50:38The one who accept to build our state in only 22% of our historical land.

00:50:45They accused him officially.

00:50:47They officially declared that he is a terrorist diplomat.

00:50:50No.

00:50:51Classification is there.

00:50:52Three classification.

00:50:53When it came to Israel.

00:50:55For me as a Palestinian, I'm a terror.

00:50:57One word loud and declare.

00:50:59Even if I...

00:51:00If he is just one hour old.

00:51:05He's a terrorist, but still in a process.

00:51:09Terrorist.

00:51:10We are all of us terrorists.

00:51:12And the good one for them, the good Palestinian, is the dead one.

00:51:16Period.

00:51:17And this is a declared position.

00:51:18You can...

00:51:19All of these words were there.

00:51:20The second classification you, Henia.

00:51:23If you dare to criticize the Israeli occupation, you are anti-Semitic.

00:51:28Whether you like it.

00:51:29Whether you know what the meaning of anti-Semitic or did not know it.

00:51:33It's yours.

00:51:34You are anti-Semitic.

00:51:35One word loud and declared.

00:51:37The third classification is for the Jewish themselves.

00:51:40And I start by telling you that my first ever boss, the minister of planning, is a Jewish man.

00:51:46But he's, according to them, he's a self-hate Jew.

00:51:49Hundred, if not thousand, of the Jewish in America, the outspoken persons, writers, novelists,

00:51:58whom is defending the Palestinian question in America, is Jewish people.

00:52:03But all of them is a hate self-Jew.

00:52:07Do you condemn the attacks on Jewish people across the globe?

00:52:13One hundred percent.

00:52:16If you target someone because he's a Muslim or Jew or X or Y, this is a condemnation.

00:52:23We should not think two times.

00:52:25And the one, but because you open the floor.

00:52:29The one who was attacking them, based on their religion, is the European, not us.

00:52:35When they used to endure a harsh suffering in Europe, the most safe haven to the Jewish.

00:52:45And we used to call them our brother by the end of the day because they are part of our, at that time,

00:52:51before the establishment of the state of Israel, they are part of the Arab fabric, political fabric.

00:52:58They are leaders.

00:52:59In Iraq, the most significant leaders, politicians, musicians, finance people, financially speaking, traders,

00:53:09is the Jewish people.

00:53:10In Egypt the same, in everywhere they were the same.

00:53:13The one who attacked them, based on their religion, and it was not only from 1940 or 1930,

00:53:19through the history they used to be expelled in Europe.

00:53:24And when they used to find a safe haven place, it is in the Middle East.

00:53:29Again, to your, yes, anyone believe that he is, or you treated me, or judge me,

00:53:37based on my religion that I did not choose it, based on my sex that I did not choose it,

00:53:44based on my nationality that I did not choose it,

00:53:47it is utterly condemned.

00:53:49Israel says that this is the only land they can have, this is the only land for Jews people.

00:53:55Palestinians, they have so many Arab neighboring nations, you know, Muslim Brotherhood, all of that.

00:54:01And Israel says that this is the only, no, this is the argument that Israel gives.

00:54:06No, they give more than this. They used to say that this is their promised land.

00:54:10No, that, I don't want to get into that debate.

00:54:12But I have, we should, because they use, based on their, this is the promised land they came to have.

00:54:19But they say that they are persecuted across the globe. This is the only land where they feel safe.

00:54:25Okay, so we should expel, because they are, feel safe. If the, if the Palestinian got forbidden, have the nuclear weapons, or that much of power, then they came to X or Y country.

00:54:39And the occupied part of, sorry to say that, one of this country. And we are not safe in Gaza, so that you should accept that I should expel X and Y of those local people, indigenous people, because I'm safe.

00:54:53But they feel threatened. Why do they feel threatened?

00:54:56Why did they feel threatened? Once you conduct a war, a crime, once you are, sorry, once anyone criminal, he will all the time feel that he's threatened, because he's wanted.

00:55:08Now, again, the current prime minister, Israeli prime minister, his classification according to the international law, fidgetive, because he's wanted to the ICC, fidgetive from international justice forward.

00:55:24He should not feel safe. So that when he went to United States, just one month ago.

00:55:30Who do you blame for the killing of Rabin? The current prime minister. Why? Is there any evidence to that?

00:55:36You ask me, but there is another one, a criminal one in the Israeli cabinet right now, Ben Geber. And Ben Geber himself was accused of conducting a terror attack, or inciting, sorry, not conducting.

00:55:51Yes, yes, yes, yes, inciting, I should inciting for terror, so that even he did not serve in the Israeli army because they consider him inciting for terror and hate speech and all of this stuff.

00:56:06Even the Israeli army did not accept Ben Geber, the current Israeli minister, to serve in the army itself.

00:56:15The one who said loud and declare in the camera that we succeed to reach to Rabin, to his car, and we will succeed to reach to him.

00:56:23It's the current. Ben Geber, it's not our world. Who killed Rabin? Who inciting against him is the current Israeli prime minister and one of his cabinet.

00:56:35Of course, alongside, of course, the settlers and all of this stuff. Those fanatic messianic people.

00:56:42Ambassador, when we talk about, want to go back to my earlier question, disarmament of Hamas.

00:56:48I do know that PLO changed, amended its charter to include, to acknowledge the existence of Israel and also remove the harsh wording of rebellion.

00:57:01Yes.

00:57:02Do you think that Hamas will also change its charter? Will reprint it?

00:57:07The question is, when we change our charter, we change it as a PLO, the Palestinian Liberation Organization.

00:57:14No, I'm talking about the charter.

00:57:15I'm coming. Because I should put it in this legal frame.

00:57:19True.

00:57:20Which is the Palestinian Liberation Organization, according to India, is the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people.

00:57:27True.

00:57:28So the one who should recognize Israel and amend their charter is the PLO, the sole and legitimacy of the Palestinian people.

00:57:39But to ask anyone, when we sign Oslo Accord, we sign it with the government of Israel.

00:57:45True.

00:57:46We did not sign it with the Likud, and we will not go and ask the Likud or any political faction to change his mind.

00:57:53If you read his charter, it's the most radical charter against the Palestinian people.

00:58:04It's not only the Likud and other political factions, but we will not, and we should not ask them to change their charter at all.

00:58:11Because this is not our business. We already sign Oslo Accord with the government of Israel.

00:58:17True.

00:58:18No need to ask Fatih, Hamas, popular front…

00:58:21But when we talk about Gaza…

00:58:22In India… Wait, I'm coming.

00:58:24Gaza is part of… should be part of the state of Palestine.

00:58:29Gaza should be governed by the Palestinian Authority.

00:58:33Palestinian Authority is the son of the legitimate son of the legitimate and sole representative of the Palestinian people.

00:58:40When it came again to India, how many political factions you have?

00:58:44Tens.

00:58:45So many, yeah.

00:58:46When His Excellency, the Prime Minister went to X or Y country to sign…

00:58:55Yeah, that I understand.

00:58:56An agreement.

00:58:57He signed it on behalf of India.

00:58:59The country, yeah.

00:59:00Not on behalf of X or Y.

00:59:02And other countries will not ask him, but we want this particular…

00:59:06That's true, but I want to come back to the disarmament of Hamas,

00:59:09I'm just trying to get your opinion.

00:59:11Do you think that it will change its charter?

00:59:13Because that's very important for Hamas to actually recognize prominently the existence of Israel.

00:59:18Yes.

00:59:19We have, again, our declared…

00:59:22Hamas can be an engagement in communication with Hamas.

00:59:24Okay.

00:59:25Yes.

00:59:26Yes.

00:59:27And again, the charter is individual for a political faction.

00:59:31Will the Likud accept to my mind that it is a charter and to remove from it is a charter the issue of…

00:59:38But we're talking about the issue in Gaza.

00:59:41I'm coming back.

00:59:42Why do you want to concentrate in Gaza, but do not want to tackle the issue from its macro level?

00:59:47Will we, will the Likud, will the X and Y of the political Israeli faction, will they go to amended their charter?

00:59:59Yes.

01:00:00We should not ask anyone to amend it, but according to us, our official position.

01:00:06Okay.

01:00:07The PLO is declared in a written form.

01:00:09It's declared position.

01:00:10Yes.

01:00:11Anyone want to be a part of Palestinian future, political future, I mean, or to be a part of the election or all…

01:00:22He should abide by all the commitment that made by the PLO, which means, by default, two-state solution, accepting the existence of the state of Israel and all of these things.

01:00:34But regarding existing, accepting the right of Israel to exist, it's another ambiguous issue.

01:00:42What's the meaning of if Palestine or not Palestine accept or deny the right of India to exist?

01:00:50India is there.

01:00:51India exists.

01:00:52Israel exists.

01:00:53Israel exists.

01:00:54Israel is a member of the United Nations.

01:00:56Put aside all of these because we had been brainwashed.

01:01:01What's the meaning of acknowledging the right of Israel to exist?

01:01:04But Charter is very important because when PLO has so many student unions all across the world, Charter is the one which people abide by.

01:01:13Yes, of course.

01:01:14Right.

01:01:15So Hamas also is the same.

01:01:16Of course.

01:01:17So it's very important to talk about Charter.

01:01:18And for the Likud, the one, the biggest party in Israel should acknowledge the right of Palestinian people to exist, should acknowledge the right of Palestinian people to be free, should acknowledge the

01:01:29fundamental right of the Palestinian people to self-determination.

01:01:34They are utterly against our right.

01:01:37We're going to ask Hamas to change its Charter.

01:01:40So you are saying this?

01:01:41My question, will anyone there to ask the Israeli political faction to change their Charter?

01:01:47Is anyone know about what is the Israeli political Charters talking about how did they tackle on treating the Palestinian people?

01:01:56Is it fair to review all the Charters for every single political party in Palestine and Israel?

01:02:02And to make sure that there is no incitement, no hate speech, and coexistence for the two-state solution.

01:02:09Is it fair?

01:02:10I'm asking you, is it fair?

01:02:11So let us together call for an international review for all the political Charter, Palestinian and Israeli, and to make sure there is no hate speech and each one should abide by it.

01:02:25The Israeli and the Palestinian should not mention any hate speech, should recognize the right of the other people to exist, should recognize the right of other people to be free, and recognize the right of other people to self-determination.

01:02:40Do you think that US President Donald Trump should get a Nobel Peace Prize if this peace plan goes according to the plan?

01:02:48Yes, just two days ago, one of the Palestinian scientists, it's a good opportunity to say that we the Palestinian, before the war, 97.3% is the literacy rate in us, among the Palestinian people.

01:03:06One of the Palestinian scientists was when the Nobel Prize in Kyla and many of the Palestinian who was employed in the, in NASA itself, the one who led the group, the team to, for creating the objective that fly to march is a Palestinian from a refugee camp, very young, likewise you, 32 or something like this.

01:03:34An engineer from Gaza.

01:03:38When it came to the Nobel Prize, again, there is a criteria for Nobel Prize.

01:03:45If anyone bring the peace to the world, and the Palestinian misery, bring the justice to the Palestinian that we missed that since November 2nd, 1917, when, I'm sorry to say that, your occupiers or colonizers, issued the notorious, dispeakable bill for declaration.

01:04:13The bill for declaration, the mandate was started after the World War I.

01:04:18But when they had zero footprint in our land, your colonizer decided to pledge, to gift it, to hand it our homeland, our ancient homeland.

01:04:32So, this misery was started since that time.

01:04:35Anyone gonna put an end to this misery, to the Palestinian suffering, 100% he deserved to have a Nobel Prize.

01:04:42But just, lasting, just, and lasting peace.

01:04:47Peace.

01:04:48Because from Israel, peace for, for, for, for Israel is to expel the Palestinian people.

01:04:53And as you rightly mentioned, their argument, there is a lot of Arabic, uh, country, why they did not.

01:04:59But this is, again, this is, again, this is the same exact argument that was used by the Nazi, mid-1930s, that no, and they used to say, to complete the picture, the Israelis used to say that, uh, and no one, they, see, there is no one want them.

01:05:14Everyone is hate them.

01:05:15Everyone is hate them.

01:05:16The same exact argument that was used by the Nazi Germany, mid-1930s, when they used to say, when America, British itself, it closed, it is door, it is border before the Israeli, and did not allow them to, to, to, to seek a refuge in their land.

01:05:35So, the Nazi at that time used the same exact argument that the Israeli today is using, no one like them, no one want them.

01:05:44What do you have to say about the full UN membership for Palestine?

01:05:48Because U.S. will continue to veto it, and you are endorsing the Nobel Peace Prize for Trump.

01:05:53We are endorsing the Nobel Peace Prize for Trump.

01:05:56If the war gets resolved.

01:05:58But U.S. has always been cracking down on pro-Palestinian protesters.

01:06:02No, Hina, I did not say that we are endorsing.

01:06:05If this plan goes through.

01:06:07Anyone going to put an end to the Palestinian misery.

01:06:11Right now we have Trump in the administration.

01:06:13Did he put an end to the Palestinian misery?

01:06:15If it happens.

01:06:17We will totally, utterly.

01:06:19How will you fight someone who you are endorsing for the Nobel Peace Prize?

01:06:23No, no.

01:06:24I want to finish this.

01:06:25Anyone will put an end to the Palestinian misery that was started November 2nd, 1917.

01:06:32100% just and lasting peace.

01:06:35We will endorse it.

01:06:36This is.

01:06:37But Trump does not support the post-state solution.

01:06:39Let's not forget that.

01:06:40Wait a minute.

01:06:41Wait a minute.

01:06:42But let us remember that.

01:06:44One of the wanted terrorists won a Nobel Prize.

01:06:50Do you know that?

01:06:51There are so many names.

01:06:53No, no, no.

01:06:54Because I want to.

01:06:55I should say.

01:06:56Minha Haym Begin.

01:06:58One of the leaders of the underground terrorist organization, terrorist gangs, Jewish terrorist gangs before 1948.

01:07:07He was classified by the United Kingdom.

01:07:10Where are we going with this conversation?

01:07:11Are you endorsing?

01:07:12I'm coming.

01:07:13I'm coming.

01:07:14Because you are talking about peace prize.

01:07:17I'm talking about Trump.

01:07:19Trump's stance.

01:07:20Can I finish?

01:07:21Because it will make an introduction.

01:07:23Yes, sure.

01:07:24So that Minha Haym Begin, the wanted terrorist.

01:07:27According to the United Kingdom, this is not ours.

01:07:30At that time, he became the Israeli Prime Minister in 1977.

01:07:36And he won the Nobel Prize.

01:07:39As you rightly mentioned.

01:07:42So are you comparing Trump?

01:07:44No, no.

01:07:45I'm telling you there is a history behind the Nobel Prize and all of this.

01:07:49No, I'm not comparing at all.

01:07:51At least Mr. Trump, he had something.

01:07:54Or at least he pledged that he wanted to bring peace to the Middle East.

01:07:58Ambassador, you are a diplomat.

01:07:59How will you push for UN's full membership in the United Kingdom?

01:08:03Yes, we already used two stages.

01:08:06To have a full membership.

01:08:08Do you support that India must be included as a permanent member in the United Nations?

01:08:14No, not in the United Nations Security Council.

01:08:17We already have our declared position to re...

01:08:24Because I served there.

01:08:26Our declared position is very clear.

01:08:27For 18 years, I think.

01:08:28No, no, of course.

01:08:29We won't.

01:08:30Not all.

01:08:31Because this is...

01:08:32It's not fair to have a veto power only in five hands.

01:08:37And we, for us as a Palestinian, at least America used it.

01:08:40The vast majority of the veto that used by America is against us.

01:08:44True.

01:08:45Back to the process of being a full member state, two gates we should cross it.

01:08:52First and foremost, we should submit a letter to the Security Council that Palestine would like to become...

01:08:59This is an official letter.

01:09:01And we already did.

01:09:03The Security Council should send a letter to the General Assembly to endorse it.

01:09:08I mean to endorse our request.

01:09:10In this letter, they should say that the State of Palestine is a peaceful land, a lover, and all of these steps.

01:09:17But when we submitted it, the United States of America is blocked.

01:09:22And it was...

01:09:23It happened many times ago.

01:09:25Or for more than one time.

01:09:28Yes, we are looking to become a full membership of the United Nations itself.

01:09:33It's our right.

01:09:34Ambassador, what was the conversation between you and the Minister of External Affairs?

01:09:38All the time.

01:09:39All the time.

01:09:40I should say...

01:09:41What were the key points that you discussed?

01:09:42No, no.

01:09:43Many things.

01:09:44Many things, of course.

01:09:45But I should be very frank.

01:09:46And I should be very honest.

01:09:48India used to be with Palestine.

01:09:51Long time ago.

01:09:52Still with Palestine.

01:09:53And I trust India will continue to be with Palestine.

01:09:57Just right now.

01:09:58India is implementing many projects in Palestine.

01:10:01And when I used to have some issues to discuss it.

01:10:05It takes me just to send them WhatsApp.

01:10:09No, usually I go through the official message.

01:10:11But even if I want to say something in phone.

01:10:14India, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, is totally...

01:10:18And if, so to speak, all the time is open to us.

01:10:22In particular, with Palestine.

01:10:24I'm pretty sure that they gave us a privilege to come and enter the ministry at any time I would like to request.

01:10:32And again, they are following all of our activities and they are, so to speak, all the time is very supportive.

01:10:42And many things we used to, to, to, to discuss it with the ministry.

01:10:46Many things.

01:10:47What are your comments on the statements by Congress party, the opposition party in India, saying that Israel is committing quote unquote genocide.

01:10:57Israel is very straightforward condemning the Congress party, saying that it should not speak in that manner.

01:11:08You recently visited Kerala.

01:11:10I have two questions.

01:11:11First of all, your thoughts on this.

01:11:13And do you have a slight hesitation when you visited Kerala, be seen with CPIM leader of getting into the political climate in the country?

01:11:26Three things.

01:11:27First and foremost, it's not the opposition party who claimed that Israel is conducting genocide.

01:11:33It's the UN, a ministry, and the Israeli watchdog.

01:11:37And the ICC, ICC is already accused and issued an arrested warrant against the figurative from justice, the Israeli prime minister.

01:11:50So it's not, it's not a position of X or Y political party.

01:11:54Second, yes, I visited Kerala and I met with His Excellency, the CM, and they are very welcome to me.

01:12:02And I used to say, and I sent a lot of requests to all the political party here.

01:12:08And they start by the big political party, of course.

01:12:11But yet, it seems that their schedule is busy.

01:12:14But I want to meet with everyone.

01:12:17Regarding we are the internal political arena, we will not be under any circumstance.

01:12:25We the Palestinian people.

01:12:27Under the chairmanship of President Abbas.

01:12:29And under the chairmanship before President Abbas, the late, great one, Arafat.

01:12:39We are not part, and we will not be part.

01:12:42Even in the Arab country with any internal issue.

01:12:46Utterly, one word loud and clear.

01:12:49But again, I, through your, of course, channel, I already submit a request to all the, to the very big political party.

01:12:59And I wish that very soon they will have the time to receive me.

01:13:05We the Palestinian have story.

01:13:07We the Palestinian stand in the same exact distance from everyone.

01:13:12We the Palestinian people have nothing against Israel.

01:13:16Nothing against the Jewish country.

01:13:18Because our leaders is Jewish.

01:13:20Our own matter, our own conflict, our own issue is the Israeli occupation.

01:13:27We are looking for, me as ambassador of Palestine, to visit, to interact with all the political parties here in India.

01:13:38And I started.

01:13:40But the ones who, so far, are opening their doors is our Communist Party, CBI, CBM, and all due respect, of course, to the others.

01:13:49And many parliamentarians.

01:13:50Ambassador, when we talk about the Gaza peace plan, Trump has the idea of a technocrat or political Palestinian committee.

01:13:59There is no clarity as to how the members of the committee will be selected.

01:14:03Will Palestinian authority have a say in it?

01:14:06No, no.

01:14:07There is a lot of ambiguous circumstances surrounding the comprehensive plan.

01:14:12You definitely want to be included in these conversations.

01:14:14Still, still.

01:14:15It is a comprehensive plan.

01:14:17While there is a lot of, it needs a lot of discussion to make, to put, to make this plan is working.

01:14:24There is a lot of discussion.

01:14:25There is a lot of measurement should be there.

01:14:29Circumstance, how to measure it, how to evaluate it at a timetable and all of this stuff.

01:14:35It's still, it needs a lot of work.

01:14:38But as a general flame, we are fully endorsing.

01:14:41Last question from my side ambassador.

01:14:43If I would want to go and visit Palestine, the historical places, the beautiful places inside of Palestine, will I be able to do that?

01:14:52Two things.

01:14:53First and foremost, of course, you are very welcome.

01:14:55You all, the Indian people.

01:14:57The international community is very welcome to visit Palestine.

01:15:01How challenging is it?

01:15:02To visit Palestine.

01:15:03But unfortunately, we did not, as a Palestinian, control the border.

01:15:07So you have no other choice except to go to the Israeli embassy and to have the visa from there.

01:15:14And it depends.

01:15:15If you are pro-Palestinian, you will not get it.

01:15:18If you are pro-Israeli or neutral, but the only channel is to enter to Palestine is to have an Israeli visa.

01:15:27Visa from the Israeli embassy.

01:15:29Great.

01:15:30It was a great conversation.

01:15:31Please.

01:15:32Anytime.

01:15:33And I think you shed light and you, you know, very openly spoke about the story of Palestine.

01:15:39And I am really grateful to you and I really appreciate you taking out the time.

01:15:44But still, the story of Palestine is still very deep.

01:15:47We can start next time from Abraham.

01:15:48Most definitely.

01:15:49When he left all the Kildanese, Abraham thousands of years ago, we had the story there.

01:15:55At that time, our story is there.

01:15:57And the most important title that I used to use is the Torah, the Old Testament, the Holy Book.

01:16:04Well, on that note, Ambassador, thank you so much once again for taking out the time and speaking with Asia.

01:16:10Sure.

01:16:12Thank you so much.

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